View Full Version : 1991 James Toney vs 1985/86 Thomas Hearns At 160lb


Southpaw16BF
01-20-2010, 10:58 AM
A trained James Toney who defeated the unbeaten Michael Nunn vs a 1985/1986 Thomas Hearns at Middleweight.

Who Wins And How?

Dynamite Kid
01-20-2010, 12:48 PM
Assuming Toney was in top shape i see Hearns dominating with his height & reach but Toney walking him down and taking him out eventually, well not walking him down but the putting pressure on him.

I think this would come down to who has the better chin, thats Toney unfortunately for Hearns.

Toney was a bigger puncher at 160 and had very underrated speed imo.

Silencers
01-20-2010, 12:53 PM
I think Hearns would've won a decision if he fights the right fight and sticks to it.

MR.CHICANITO
01-20-2010, 12:56 PM
Assuming Toney was in top shape i see Hearns dominating with his height & reach but Toney walking him down and taking him out eventually, well not walking him down but the putting pressure on him.

I think this would come down to who has the better chin, thats Toney unfortunately for Hearns.

Toney was a bigger puncher at 160 and had very underrated speed imo.

i think james toney eventually catches up to a tiring tommy hearns and stops him cold in the later round james toney would wear down the hitman by rolling with the punches and working his body over

bojangles1987
01-20-2010, 02:24 PM
Hearns was very difficult to outbox, everyone likes to talk about his right hand but the guy knew how to use his height and reach. I think Hearns wins the decision.

One more round
01-20-2010, 08:01 PM
Hearns takes the lead early, but I could definitely see James walking him down and catching him late like he did to Nunn.

oldgringo
01-20-2010, 08:15 PM
Nice two of my favorites!

I'd take James by late TKO. Toney proved time and time again throughout his career that he could ramp up the heat late in fights. Nunn, McCallum, Johnson, Littles, Jirov....he closed strong when he needed to.

Hearns would box well behind that long jab, mixing right hands and left hooks to the body when he could. Hearns had lapses in his game plan from time to time, but I think he'd try to stay true to boxing for a good portion of the fight.

The '91 version of James drops several early rounds but starts finding a home for the counter right hand as time goes on. I see James landing hard punches more often by the middle rounds and a volley of punches gets Hearns in trouble by round 9. James pounces, Tommy has trouble defending himself, James stops Tommy.

mickey malone
01-21-2010, 06:00 AM
Toney was pretty consistent at 160, whereas I feel Hearns could win or lose to any of the top middles with good chins.. Although Barkley was at 175, Toney handled the same version a lot better than Tommy did, and the same applies to another common opponent in Doug DeWitt, which was indeed at 160.. Take into account, Toney's rolling defense stratergy and I see Toney winning by late TKO or DC..

CCobra
01-21-2010, 01:51 PM
James Toney is the master. He'd have knocked Thomas Hearns out and I really couldn't see it going any other way.

donkim
01-21-2010, 02:06 PM
I don't know why anyone would use the Michael Nunn fight as a comparison.Michael Nunn didn't have the power to gain fat Toney's respect,and his offense the entire fight consisted of pitty pat flurries.fat Toney was in control of that entire fight regardless of the scorecards at the time of the stoppage.


Hearns had as much speed as Nunn and he was certainly a much more accurate and dangerous puncher than Nunn ever was.



Toney was pretty consistent at 160, whereas I feel Hearns could win or lose to any of the top middles with good chins.. Although Barkley was at 175, Toney handled the same version a lot better than Tommy did, and the same applies to another common opponent in Doug DeWitt, which was indeed at 160.. Take into account, Toney's rolling defense stratergy and I see Toney winning by late TKO or DC..


fat Toney was never consistent at 160.He couldn't fight the full three minutes and often fought in spurts,often relying on his dangerous right hand.


Hearns was an old fading fighter by the time Barkley fought one of the greatest fights of his career and stuck on Hearn's chest and swamped him.


Toney is a completely different fighter to Barkley,there is no way in hell that he could have fought at the same pace,with the same consistency as Barkley fought against Hearns.

DeepSleep
01-21-2010, 04:14 PM
I think Toney would get peppered from range from the boxing Hearns through the early rounds. Toney's chin should be good enough to handle Hearns right hand so he should be able to make it through any rough patches. As Hearns tires as the fight goes on Toney gets closer and closer to Hearns. Eventually Toney's counter right hand lands with such frequency that Hearns finds himself in big trouble and gets cleaned out in the late rounds, giving Toney the KO victory even though he was behind on most cards.

KittenFlaps
01-21-2010, 04:48 PM
They both had solid right hands, but I think Toney could take a better punch. I see it being Hearns' fight till he gets KOd. Probably in the 8th.

Would be a good fight!

mickey malone
01-22-2010, 02:55 AM
I don't know why anyone would use the Michael Nunn fight as a comparison.. Michael Nunn didn't have the power to gain fat Toney's respect,and his offense the entire fight consisted of pitty pat flurries.fat Toney was in control of that entire fight regardless of the scorecards at the time of the stoppage.


Hearns had as much speed as Nunn and he was certainly a much more accurate and dangerous puncher than Nunn ever was.






fat Toney was never consistent at 160.He couldn't fight the full three minutes and often fought in spurts,often relying on his dangerous right hand.


Hearns was an old fading fighter by the time Barkley fought one of the greatest fights of his career and stuck on Hearn's chest and swamped him.


Toney is a completely different fighter to Barkley,there is no way in hell that he could have fought at the same pace,with the same consistency as Barkley fought against Hearns.
Wasn't consistent?

So a winning streak of Merqui Sosa, Alberto Gonzalez, Michael Nunn, Reggie Johnson, Francesco Dell'Aquila, David Tiberi, Glen Wolfe, Ricky Stackhouse and Mike McCallum (inc 1 draw) isn't consistent.. OK, he was terribly out of shape Vs Tiberi & Wolfe, but came back incredibly well to defeat McCallum..

Hearn's on the other hand had 5 fights at 160, Hagler, Schuler, DeWitt, Roldan and Barkley, comprising a record of 5-2-0, strongly suggesting that 160 wasn't his best weight..

Dynamite Kid
01-22-2010, 08:53 AM
I don't know why anyone would use the Michael Nunn fight as a comparison.Michael Nunn didn't have the power to gain fat Toney's respect,and his offense the entire fight consisted of pitty pat flurries.fat Toney was in control of that entire fight regardless of the scorecards at the time of the stoppage.


Hearns had as much speed as Nunn and he was certainly a much more accurate and dangerous puncher than Nunn ever was.



fat Toney was never consistent at 160.He couldn't fight the full three minutes and often fought in spurts,often relying on his dangerous right hand.


Hearns was an old fading fighter by the time Barkley fought one of the greatest fights of his career and stuck on Hearn's chest and swamped him.


Toney is a completely different fighter to Barkley,there is no way in hell that he could have fought at the same pace,with the same consistency as Barkley fought against Hearns.



Hearns was no where near as big of a puncher when you put him on his heels thats why he could not KO De Witt or Barkley.

Kalambay & Benn both smashed De Witt, admittedly De Witt could of been considered past best when he fought Benn/Kalambay but still....

Toney beat Barkley & De Witt to a pulp to the point where the fights had to be stopped because they were taking too much punishment, again De Witt might be considered past his best but lets be honest its not like he was that good to begin with and he gave Hearns a helluva fight.

I know some of these fights were at different weights but Hearns got hurt against Roldan,Kinchen, KTFO Leonard, KTFO Barkley, KTFO Hagler.

Its true that Toney fought in spurts but here is the thing, you dont need to be throwing lots of punches to pressure on someone to sap their stamina, you can persue them without throwing and still make them expend energy with just the thought of an attack. Toney made Nunn work harder the he wanted to even though he was not throwing that much.

El Jesus
01-22-2010, 07:51 PM
I just dont see how Toney doesnt eventually catch up to hearns at some point of the fight and catch him clean. You have to assume that hearns stamina is going to come into play at some point, as well as Toney having the ability to roll the punches with ease. I think Toney could struggle early, but if toney is focused, i dont see how Hearns avoids him for the full 15