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Yaman
01-18-2010, 06:30 PM
After seeing Poet's effort to bring some quality back to this section I decided to make more threads soon. lets rank heavyweights from the 00s, 90s, 80s, 70s, 60s, 50s, 40s etc. Make a top 10 for each decade and do atleast the last 5 era's.

I'll add mine later because it will take some time.

Yaman
01-18-2010, 08:03 PM
Ok i'll start with 2 decades:

2000s
1-Wladimir Klitschko
2-Vitali Klitschko
3-Lennox Lewis(Lower because he didn't have many fights)
4-Chris Byrd
5-David Tua
6-Oleg Maskaev
7-Lamon Brewster
8-Hasim Rahman
9-Jameel McCline
10-John Ruiz


1990s
1-Lennox Lewis
2-Evander Holyfield(I still think it's very close between him and Lewis)
3-Mike Tyson
4-Riddick Bowe
5-George Foreman
6-David Tua
7-Tommy Morrison
8-Ray Mercer
9-Michael Moorer
10-Ike Ibeabuchi

80s
1-Mike Tyson
2-Larry Holmes
3-Tony Tucker
4-Tim Witherspoon
5-Pinklon Thomas
6-Michael Spinks
7-Carl Williams
8-Frank Bruno
9-James Smith
10-Tony Tubbs

70s
1-Muhammad Ali
2-George Foreman
3-Joe Frazier
4-Ken Norton
5-Ron Lyle
6-Jerry Quarry
7-Jimmy Young
8-Mac Foster
9-Joe Bugner
10-George Chuvalo

JAB5239
01-18-2010, 08:37 PM
[QUOTE=Yaman;7297774]Ok i'll start with 2 decades:

2000s
1-Wladimir Klitschko
2-Vitali Klitschko
3-Lennox Lewis(Lower because he didn't have many fights)
4-Chris Byrd
5-David Tua
6-Oleg Maskaev
7-Lamon Brewster
8-Hasim Rahman
9-Jameel McCline
10-John Ruiz


Like him or not I think Ruiz should be in the 5 spot and move everyone else down one. He was much more accomplished than Tua, Maskeav, Brewster, Rahman or McCline. Everything else I agree with.

sonnyboyx2
01-19-2010, 03:25 AM
Ok i'll start with 2 decades:

2000s
1-Wladimir Klitschko
2-Vitali Klitschko
3-Lennox Lewis(Lower because he didn't have many fights)
4-Chris Byrd
5-David Tua
6-Oleg Maskaev
7-Lamon Brewster
8-Hasim Rahman
9-Jameel McCline
10-John Ruiz


1990s
1-Lennox Lewis
2-Evander Holyfield(I still think it's very close between him and Lewis)
3-Mike Tyson
4-Riddick Bowe
5-George Foreman
6-David Tua
7-Tommy Morrison
8-Ray Mercer
9-Michael Moorer
10-Ike Ibeabuchi

80s
1-Mike Tyson
2-Larry Holmes
3-Tony Tucker
4-Tim Witherspoon
5-Pinklon Thomas
6-Michael Spinks
7-Carl Williams
8-Frank Bruno
9-James Smith
10-Tony Tubbs

70s
1-Muhammad Ali
2-George Foreman
3-Joe Frazier
4-Ken Norton
5-Ron Lyle
6-Jerry Quarry
7-Jimmy Young
8-Mac Foster
9-Joe Bugner
10-George Chuvalo
No5 David Tua?

No3 Tony Tucker?

mickey malone
01-19-2010, 07:46 AM
1900's

Jim Jeffries
Bob Fitzsimmons
Jim Corbett
Joe Choynski
Peter Jackson
Tommy Burns
Marvin Hart
Jack Root
Jimmy Flynn
Jack O'Brien

1910's

Jack Johnson
Sam Langford
Joe Jeannette
Sam McVey
Jess Willard
Frank Moran
Jim Johnson
Harry Wills
Jeff Clark
Al Kaufman

1920's

Jack Dempsey
Gene Tunney
Harry Wills
Sam Langford
Tom Gibbons
Bill Brennan
Luis Angel Firpo
Young Stribling
Billy Miske
Tom Heeney

1930's

Joe Louis
Max Schmelling
Max Baer
Jack Sharkey
Jim Braddock
Primo Carnera
Tommy Farr
Bob Pastor
John Henry Lewis
Tony Galento

1940's

Joe Louis
Ezzard Charles
Joe Walcott
Billy Conn
Buddy Baer
Lou Nova
Abe Simon
Tony Musto
Nick Barone
Arturo Godoy

1950's

Rocky Marciano
Floyd Patterson
Joe Walcott
Ezzard Charles
Ingemar Johansson
Roland La Starza
Don ****ell
Tommy Jackson
Brian London
Joe Erskine

1960's

Muhammad Ali
Joe Frazier
Sonny Liston
Ernie Terrell
Jimmy Ellis
Gerry Quarry
Eddie Machen
Oscar Bonavena
Doug Jones
George Chuvalo

1970's

Muhammad Ali
George Foreman
Joe Frazier
Larry Holmes
Ken Norton
Ron Lyle
Jimmy Young
Ernie Shavers
Joe Bugner
Mac Foster

1980's

Mike Tyson
Larry Holmes
Tim Witherspoon
James Smith
Tony Tubbs
Tony Tucker
Pinklon Thomas
Greg Page
Frank Bruno
Gerry Cooney

1990's

Lennox Lewis
Evander Holyfield
Riddick Bowe
Mike Tyson
George Foreman
Ray Mercer
Michael Moorer
Tommy Morrison
Razor Ruddock
David Tua

2000's

Vitali Klitschko
Wladimar Klitschko
Lennox Lewis
John Ruiz
Lamon Brewster
Chris Byrd
Ruslan Chagaev
David Haye
Sam Peter
Nicolai Valuev

BritishBoxing92
01-19-2010, 09:51 AM
After seeing Poet's effort to bring some quality back to this section I decided to make more threads soon. lets rank heavyweights from the 00s, 90s, 80s, 70s, 60s, 50s, 40s etc. Make a top 10 for each decade and do atleast the last 5 era's.

I'll add mine later because it will take some time.

my top 10 heavyweights of all time is in my Signature :)

sonnyboyx2
01-19-2010, 10:02 AM
1900's

Jim Jeffries
Bob Fitzsimmons
Jim Corbett
Joe Choynski
Peter Jackson
Tommy Burns
Marvin Hart
Jack Root
Jimmy Flynn
Jack O'Brien

1910's

Jack Johnson
Sam Langford
Joe Jeannette
Sam McVey
Jess Willard
Frank Moran
Jim Johnson
Harry Wills
Jeff Clark
Al Kaufman

1920's

Jack Dempsey
Gene Tunney
Harry Wills
Sam Langford
Tom Gibbons
Bill Brennan
Luis Angel Firpo
Young Stribling
Billy Miske
Tom Heeney

1930's

Joe Louis
Max Schmelling
Max Baer
Jack Sharkey
Jim Braddock
Primo Carnera
Tommy Farr
Bob Pastor
John Henry Lewis
Tony Galento

1940's

Joe Louis
Ezzard Charles
Joe Walcott
Billy Conn
Buddy Baer
Lou Nova
Abe Simon
Tony Musto
Nick Barone
Arturo Godoy

1950's

Rocky Marciano
Floyd Patterson
Joe Walcott
Ezzard Charles
Ingemar Johansson
Roland La Starza
Don ****ell
Tommy Jackson
Brian London
Joe Erskine

1960's

Muhammad Ali
Joe Frazier
Sonny Liston
Ernie Terrell
Jimmy Ellis
Gerry Quarry
Eddie Machen
Oscar Bonavena
Doug Jones
George Chuvalo

1970's

Muhammad Ali
George Foreman
Joe Frazier
Larry Holmes
Ken Norton
Ron Lyle
Jimmy Young
Ernie Shavers
Joe Bugner
Mac Foster

1980's

Mike Tyson
Larry Holmes
Tim Witherspoon
James Smith
Tony Tubbs
Tony Tucker
Pinklon Thomas
Greg Page
Frank Bruno
Gerry Cooney

1990's

Lennox Lewis
Evander Holyfield
Riddick Bowe
Mike Tyson
George Foreman
Ray Mercer
Michael Moorer
Tommy Morrison
Razor Ruddock
David Tua

2000's

Vitali Klitschko
Wladimar Klitschko
Lennox Lewis
John Ruiz
Lamon Brewster
Chris Byrd
Ruslan Chagaev
David Haye
Sam Peter
Nicolai Valuev














No Henry Cooper in the 60s ?
No Cleveland Williams in the 60s
No Jerry Quarry in the 70s ?
No Larry Middleton in the 70s ?

Lennox Lewis No1 in the 90s?

David Haye with only 0ne fight in 2000s?

No Buster Douglas, Oliver McCall, Hasim Rahman, Trevor Berbick, Mike Weaver or Michael Spinks all of whom was champion?

what is David Tua`s claim to fame?

No trashing your lists as its easy to sit hear and pick holes in anyones list, its not an easy task to undertake.

Yaman
01-19-2010, 10:09 AM
Try it out, Sonnybox.

mickey malone
01-19-2010, 12:21 PM
No Henry Cooper in the 60s ?
No Cleveland Williams in the 60s
No Jerry Quarry in the 70s ?
No Larry Middleton in the 70s ?

Lennox Lewis No1 in the 90s?

David Haye with only 0ne fight in 2000s?

No Buster Douglas, Oliver McCall, Hasim Rahman, Trevor Berbick, Mike Weaver or Michael Spinks all of whom was champion?

what is David Tua`s claim to fame?

No trashing your lists as its easy to sit hear and pick holes in anyones list, its not an easy task to undertake.


All 10 fighters on my 60's list would have beaten Cooper.. I'd have had Folley at 11 with Cooper at no12..

No 'Big Cat'... Exposed by Liston and destroyed by Ali.. Far too chinny for my liking..

No Quarry in the 70's because he did'nt have any meaningful fights in the 70's..

Middleton had a DC win over a young Bugner, but that's about it.. Never fought an ATG, never fought for a title..

Lennox Lewis was no1 in the 90's.. Do a poll, and you'll see for yourself..

David Haye - Well apart from those i've ranked above him, who do you see beating him?

Douglas - Had 2 good performances in his whole career (McCall & Tyson)
Other than that, he let himself down at every opportunity..

McCall - Lost to Douglas and Bruno.. Has'nt got it mentally..

Rahman - One hit wonder who's lost to everyone, including an ancient Holyfield..

Berbick - One points win against an ageing Pinklon Thomas, that's it!

Mike Weaver - Not a bad fighter.. Takes 11th spot..

Tua's the Earnie Shavers of his era.. He's got a punchers chance against anyone he hits.. Both Moorer and Ruiz will pay testiment to that..

donkim
01-19-2010, 03:29 PM
No Quarry in the 70's because he did'nt have any meaningful fights in the 70's.


Earnie Shavers,Ron Lyle and Mac foster........three men who frazier wanted nothing to do with and Quarry took them all apart.


David Haye - Well apart from those i've ranked above him, who do you see beating him?


Other than Nikolai Valuev,who has David Haye beaten to deserve such a ranking?


Berbick - One points win against an ageing Pinklon Thomas, that's it!


Trevor berbick beat an undefeated Pinklon Thomas and an undefeated Greg Page.

GJC
01-19-2010, 08:36 PM
No Larry Middleton in the 70s ?



You seriously rate Middleton top 10 or near in the 70's Sonny??

mickey malone
01-20-2010, 12:00 AM
Earnie Shavers,Ron Lyle and Mac foster........three men who frazier wanted nothing to do with and Quarry took them all apart.





Other than Nikolai Valuev,who has David Haye beaten to deserve such a ranking?





Trevor berbick beat an undefeated Pinklon Thomas and an undefeated Greg Page.
Quarry's a tricky one because his best years were between 1965 and 1975, putting him right in the middle of 2 eras..
Between 65-70, he drew & won with Patterson, beat Buster Mathis, Brian London & Thad Spencer, but lost to Eddie Machen, George Chuvalo and Jimmy Ellis..
He also lost for the first time to Joe Frazier, but i'd say gave him a much tougher fight than he did in the 70's return..
Lyle, Foster and Shavers were impressive wins, but in my opinion Jerry was at his sharpest beween 67-70, and like other great contenders, Langford & Wills, maybe I should have listed Quarry in 2 eras.. I don't think he'd be be unworthy of it..

With regard to Haye, you've answered a question with a question..
When you say, 'Other than Nicolai Valuev' - Do you mean the limited, but massively awkward, 23 stone, 7'2" two-time world champion, who'd only been beaten once in over 10 years?
If so, you have to ask yourself, 'Who else could have beaten him?'... Possibly Povetkin, Arreola, Thompson, Chambers, but doubtful.. Only the Klit's come to mind..
Haye's the best thing to happen in that era and possesses skills not seen in the division for a long time & depending on longevity, could go a lot higher than no8 in the next era.. Ok, I may have stuck my neck out with regard to the lack of named opponents on his record, but it's plain & obvious to me, that with the exception of 'maybe' the Klits, Chambers or Povetkin, that Haye's currently one of the best out there..

As for Berbick, he's no11 for me.. I may have forgotten about the win over Page, but other than that, Trev sent me to sleep on more than one occasion..
I also thought he showed a total lack of class, when accepting the Ali fight, and this may have just slightly clouded my judgement on his boxing ability.. But these are 'my' ratings, and i'll profess to never particularly liking him, neither as a person or a fighter..

sonnyboyx2
01-20-2010, 03:31 AM
Quarry's a tricky one because his best years were between 1965 and 1975, putting him right in the middle of 2 eras..
Between 65-70, he drew & won with Patterson, beat Buster Mathis, Brian London & Thad Spencer, but lost to Eddie Machen, George Chuvalo and Jimmy Ellis..
He also lost for the first time to Joe Frazier, but i'd say gave him a much tougher fight than he did in the 70's return..
Lyle, Foster and Shavers were impressive wins, but in my opinion Jerry was at his sharpest beween 67-70, and like other great contenders, Langford & Wills, maybe I should have listed Quarry in 2 eras.. I don't think he'd be be unworthy of it..

With regard to Haye, you've answered a question with a question..
When you say, 'Other than Nicolai Valuev' - Do you mean the limited, but massively awkward, 23 stone, 7'2" two-time world champion, who'd only been beaten once in over 10 years?
If so, you have to ask yourself, 'Who else could have beaten him?'... Possibly Povetkin, Arreola, Thompson, Chambers, but doubtful.. Only the Klit's come to mind..
Haye's the best thing to happen in that era and possesses skills not seen in the division for a long time & depending on longevity, could go a lot higher than no8 in the next era.. Ok, I may have stuck my neck out with regard to the lack of named opponents on his record, but it's plain & obvious to me, that with the exception of 'maybe' the Klits, Chambers or Povetkin, that Haye's currently one of the best out there..

As for Berbick, he's no11 for me.. I may have forgotten about the win over Page, but other than that, Trev sent me to sleep on more than one occasion..
I also thought he showed a total lack of class, when accepting the Ali fight, and this may have just slightly clouded my judgement on his boxing ability.. But these are 'my' ratings, and i'll profess to never particularly liking him, neither as a person or a fighter..

good response to the questions.... However , what pole are you on about which says Lewis was the No1 fighter of the 1990s?

Trevor Berbick achieved far far more than David Tua did

you asked who is going to beat David Haye... John Ruiz will KO him if Haye has the bottle to fight him

sonnyboyx2
01-20-2010, 03:33 AM
You seriously rate Middleton top 10 or near in the 70's Sonny??

http://myboxingfans.com/2009/12/larry-%E2%80%9Chard-luck%E2%80%9D-middleton/

mickey malone
01-20-2010, 06:35 AM
good response to the questions.... However , what pole are you on about which says Lewis was the No1 fighter of the 1990s?

Trevor Berbick achieved far far more than David Tua did

you asked who is going to beat David Haye... John Ruiz will KO him if Haye has the bottle to fight him
What i'm saying is; if you were to conduct a pole on this site or any other boxing forum, asking the question: 'Who was the best HW of the 90's?'
I'd be totally dumbfounded, if Lewis didn't come out on top..

Correct.. Berbick did achieve more than Tua, but that doesn't mean to say that Tua wouldn't KO him..
1980-1985, during which time Berbick produced his best performances, and saw Larry Holmes as the dominant WBC champ, while Dokes, Weaver, Coetzee, Witherspoon, Thomas, Tubbs, Page, Smith and Berbick, all played 'pass the parcel' with the WBA strap.. Now, if you were to throw a prime David Tua into that mix, i'd be very surprised if he didn't get at least one share of the spoils..

Ruiz KO Haye!... Well, we'll just have to wait and see.. A few years ago, maybe.. But John's old & ring worn now.. He didn't look at all good in his last fight, and i'm contented in the opinion that Haye will be a bit too much of 'everything' for him..

sonnyboyx2
01-20-2010, 07:54 AM
What i'm saying is; if you were to conduct a pole on this site or any other boxing forum, asking the question: 'Who was the best HW of the 90's?'
I'd be totally dumbfounded, if Lewis didn't come out on top..

Correct.. Berbick did achieve more than Tua, but that doesn't mean to say that Tua wouldn't KO him..
1980-1985, during which time Berbick produced his best performances, and saw Larry Holmes as the dominant WBC champ, while Dokes, Weaver, Coetzee, Witherspoon, Thomas, Tubbs, Page, Smith and Berbick, all played 'pass the parcel' with the WBA strap.. Now, if you were to throw a prime David Tua into that mix, i'd be very surprised if he didn't get at least one share of the spoils..

Ruiz KO Haye!... Well, we'll just have to wait and see.. A few years ago, maybe.. But John's old & ring worn now.. He didn't look at all good in his last fight, and i'm contented in the opinion that Haye will be a bit too much of 'everything' for him..

Mickey i disagree mate... other than his loss to Roy Jones, Ruiz should be undefeated in the last 10yrs he has been `robbed` of a couple of very dubious decisions.. His last fight he looked very impressive and i for one feel that David Haye will look to avoid Ruiz as his last performance makes him a big favourite to beat Haye..

i honestly dont see David Tua beating those ex champions you listed, Tua failed everytime he fought an opponent who was above class C... now whatever you may think of Dokes, Weaver, Coetzee, Witherspoon, Thomas, Tubbs, Page, Smith you have to admit that all of them are far more experienced at championship level boxing than David Tua, all of them know how to handle themselves in the ring, and all of them are very big strong punching fighters... IMO they all beat David Tua quite easily.

a pole on a boxing forum is quite meaningless and in no way does Lewis belomg as the best fighter of the 1990s in fact IMO he would not make the Top 3 of that era.. poleaxed twice by journeymen, a dubious decision over Mercer, an unlucky draw then another dubious win over an old Holyfield and a couple of disqualification wins dont make him the best of an era

T3dBundy
01-20-2010, 09:02 AM
a pole on a boxing forum is quite meaningless and in no way does Lewis belomg as the best fighter of the 1990s in fact IMO he would not make the Top 5 of that era.. poleaxed twice by journeymen, a dubious decision over Mercer, an unlucky draw then another dubious win over an old Holyfield and a couple of disqualification wins dont make him the best of an era


oliver mccall was not a journeymen.
i think lennox beat mercer in a close fight.
and hasim rahman got hiss ass kicked in the rematch and proved he just had a lucky day in the first fight.
he even himself admitted that after the fight if i remember right.
over all i dont see why lennox isnt #1 heavyweight of the 90s, he beat anyone he faced..
even when i still think mccall would have whooped him in the rematch again if he wasnt on drugs :D, but its his own fault

sonnyboyx2
01-20-2010, 09:53 AM
oliver mccall was not a journeymen.
i think lennox beat mercer in a close fight.
and hasim rahman got hiss ass kicked in the rematch and proved he just had a lucky day in the first fight.
he even himself admitted that after the fight if i remember right.
over all i dont see why lennox isnt #1 heavyweight of the 90s, he beat anyone he faced..
even when i still think mccall would have whooped him in the rematch again if he wasnt on drugs :D, but its his own fault

wasn`t McCall a sparring partner for Mike Tyson? didnt Bruno beat him?.. also got beaten by Buster Douglas & Mike Hunter..that in my opinion makes him a journeyman fighter.

If Rahman just had a lucky day then so did Johansson against Patterson & Norton against Ali & Spinks against Ali..

you say you dont see why Lewis isnt No1 for the 90s coz he beat everyone he faced.... did he face the top fighters who was belt holders of that era.. Holmes, Foreman, Bowe, Moorer, Hide, Sanders, Wlad, Tyson, Ruiz, Byrd, Jones Jr. ?
the answer is NO.... Lewis only fought tomato cans and limited exposed fighters who was on the downside of their career....Evander Holyfield fought 13 fights with the fighters listed above who held belts during the 1990s you can also throw-in 2 fights he had with Lewis.

mickey malone
01-20-2010, 10:16 AM
Mickey i disagree mate... other than his loss to Roy Jones, Ruiz should be undefeated in the last 10yrs he has been `robbed` of a couple of very dubious decisions.. His last fight he looked very impressive and i for one feel that David Haye will look to avoid Ruiz as his last performance makes him a big favourite to beat Haye..

i honestly dont see David Tua beating those ex champions you listed, Tua failed everytime he fought an opponent who was above class C... now whatever you may think of Dokes, Weaver, Coetzee, Witherspoon, Thomas, Tubbs, Page, Smith you have to admit that all of them are far more experienced at championship level boxing than David Tua, all of them know how to handle themselves in the ring, and all of them are very big strong punching fighters... IMO they all beat David Tua quite easily.

a pole on a boxing forum is quite meaningless and in no way does Lewis belomg as the best fighter of the 1990s in fact IMO he would not make the Top 5 of that era.. poleaxed twice by journeymen, a dubious decision over Mercer, an unlucky draw then another dubious win over an old Holyfield and a couple of disqualification wins dont make him the best of an era
You're welcome to disagree with me, but that won't stop me quoting the facts..

Ruiz's last fight, was against a 5'11" Turkish journeyman with a record of 19-10-1 who'd lost 7 of his last 13 with 5 by KO.. Enough to put anyone off, I bet Haye's quaking in his boots..
During the last 10 years, Ruiz has been beaten 5 times.. By Holyfield, Chagaev, Jones, Valuev twice and arguably by James Toney too.. I know you think he may have been robbed in most of these, but lets face it, all of his fights are so desperate, even the judges don't like him, so what chance does an over the hill Ruiz, stand agaist Haye?

Slim and None, and I know who's just left town..

David Tua has more experience with more success at world level than some of the WBA champions from the 80's

KO'd and Drew with Rahman
KO'd Moorer
KO'd Ruiz
KO'd Maskaev
KO'd Daniels
KO'd Izon
KO'd Nicholson
KO'd Oquendo
Lost DC Lewis
Lost DC Byrd
Lost DC Ibeabuchi

That's 12 fights at world level, compiling a record of 8-3-1 (8 KO) 5 of those KO's coming against former titlists..

And as for Lewis not making the top 5 during the 90's.. Well, I despair, so i'll just sit back and let everyone else disagree with you instead..

sonnyboyx2
01-20-2010, 11:01 AM
You're welcome to disagree with me, but that won't stop me quoting the facts..

Ruiz's last fight, was against a 5'11" Turkish journeyman with a record of 19-10-1 who'd lost 7 of his last 13 with 5 by KO.. Enough to put anyone off, I bet Haye's quaking in his boots..
During the last 10 years, Ruiz has been beaten 5 times.. By Holyfield, Chagaev, Jones, Valuev twice and arguably by James Toney too.. I know you think he may have been robbed in most of these, but lets face it, all of his fights are so desperate, even the judges don't like him, so what chance does an over the hill Ruiz, stand agaist Haye?

Slim and None, and I know who's just left town..

David Tua has more experience with more success at world level than some of the WBA champions from the 80's

KO'd and Drew with Rahman
KO'd Moorer
KO'd Ruiz
KO'd Maskaev
KO'd Daniels
KO'd Izon
KO'd Nicholson
KO'd Oquendo
Lost DC Lewis
Lost DC Byrd
Lost DC Ibeabuchi

That's 12 fights at world level, compiling a record of 8-3-1 (8 KO) 5 of those KO's coming against former titlists..

And as for Lewis not making the top 5 during the 90's.. Well, I despair, so i'll just sit back and let everyone else disagree with you instead..

Mickey did you watch Ruiz last fight?

i think you are having a bit of a laugh with your David Tua quotes... who are those guys you have listed as being World Class opponents,"Izon, Daniels, Nicholson, Oquendo" ?.... Maskaev had been hammered by Oliver McCall in a single round, Moorer was at the tail-end of his career... which leaves John Ruiz who was still only a novice fighter when Tua caught him with the first punch of the fight for a 1rd KO... sorry that does not make David Tua a more experienced fighter with more success than the former champions you listed earlier... Tua was a Class C fighter who each time he fought a fighter rated above Class C he was beaten...

Ziggy Stardust
01-20-2010, 11:46 AM
Mickey did you watch Ruiz last fight?

i think you are having a bit of a laugh with your David Tua quotes... who are those guys you have listed as being World Class opponents,"Izon, Daniels, Nicholson, Oquendo" ?.... Maskaev had been hammered by Oliver McCall in a single round, Moorer was at the tail-end of his career... which leaves John Ruiz who was still only a novice fighter when Tua caught him with the first punch of the fight for a 1rd KO... sorry that does not make David Tua a more experienced fighter with more success than the former champions you listed earlier... Tua was a Class C fighter who each time he fought a fighter rated above Class C he was beaten...

How are those shock treatments working out for you? Have a nice day! :wave:

Poet

sonnyboyx2
01-20-2010, 12:23 PM
How are those shock treatments working out for you? Have a nice day! :wave:

Poet

Once again the `Village-Idiot`has his ten-pennath on the subject and as always never nothing to do with the sport of boxing, just his typical `ridicule & name calling`like all the rest of his posts... Get a life you sad little midget and stop running up the stairs each time your daddy calls for you when he is hard

Throwingbombs
01-20-2010, 01:07 PM
Lennox Lewis is the obvious choice for number one heavyweight in the 90s.

Yaman
01-20-2010, 01:11 PM
Lewis also had some big wins in the 2000s. In the 90s he had a terrible fluke loss(in the 2000s as well, though) and sadly he never had a chance to add Bowe on his resume. But Evander was also unfortunate with his health problems or else he could have been the best of the 90s.

GJC
01-20-2010, 04:16 PM
http://myboxingfans.com/2009/12/larry-%E2%80%9Chard-luck%E2%80%9D-middleton/
Few names on his record Sonny but he beat Joe Bugner is about it.
Must admit apart from the Bugner fight this guy never really registered on my radar, knew the name but never really remember him as a contender.
Chuck Gardner fought a fair few names too :)

sultanisking
01-20-2010, 04:31 PM
Ibragimov should be there

DeepSleep
01-20-2010, 05:23 PM
Mickey i disagree mate... other than his loss to Roy Jones, Ruiz should be undefeated in the last 10yrs he has been `robbed` of a couple of very dubious decisions.. His last fight he looked very impressive and i for one feel that David Haye will look to avoid Ruiz as his last performance makes him a big favourite to beat Haye..

i honestly dont see David Tua beating those ex champions you listed, Tua failed everytime he fought an opponent who was above class C... now whatever you may think of Dokes, Weaver, Coetzee, Witherspoon, Thomas, Tubbs, Page, Smith you have to admit that all of them are far more experienced at championship level boxing than David Tua, all of them know how to handle themselves in the ring, and all of them are very big strong punching fighters... IMO they all beat David Tua quite easily.

a pole on a boxing forum is quite meaningless and in no way does Lewis belomg as the best fighter of the 1990s in fact IMO he would not make the Top 5 of that era.. poleaxed twice by journeymen, a dubious decision over Mercer, an unlucky draw then another dubious win over an old Holyfield and a couple of disqualification wins dont make him the best of an era

Which five heaveweights would you have over Lewis?

For comparison purposes I'll list some of the popular choices and their records in the 90's.

Lewis: 31 - 1 - 1

Notable Wins: Holyfield, Briggs, Golota, Mercer, Morrison, Bruno, Tucker Ruddock, McCall

Losses: McCall(Avenged)

Holyfield: 13 - 4 - 1

Notable Wins: Douglas, Foreman, Holmes, Bowe, Mercer, Tyson x2 , Moorer

Losses: Bowe(Avenged), Moorer(Avenged), Lewis

Bowe: 26 - 1

Notable Wins: Holyfield x2, Dokes, Golota x2
Losses: Holyfield(Avenged)

Tyson: 9 - 3

Notable Wins: Ruddock x2, Bruno,
Losses: Douglas, Holyfield

Foreman: 12 - 3

Notable Wins: Moorer
Losses: Briggs, Morrison, Holyfield

Moorer: 17 - 2 (Only HW fights included)

Notable Wins: Holyfield
Losses: Holyfield(2nd Fight), Foreman

Mercer: 14 - 4 - 1

Notable Wins: Morrison, Witherspoon
Losses: Lewis, Holyfield, Ferguson, Holmes

Morrison: 21 - 3 - 1

Notable Wins: Foreman, Ruddock
Losses: Mercer, Bentt, Lewis

Tua : 35 - 1

Notable Wins: Ruiz, Maskaev, Rahman
Losses: Ibeabuchi

Ibeabuchi: 20 - 0

Notable Wins: Tua, Byrd
Losses: None

Take note this is the nineties, so any fights after 12-31-1999 are not counted in this. Whether or not you think Lewis is #1 is up for debate but saying he isn't top 5 looks like a losing argument. Outside of Holyfield and Bowe I don't think there is anyone remotely close to Lewis.

mickey malone
01-20-2010, 09:54 PM
Mickey did you watch Ruiz last fight?

i think you are having a bit of a laugh with your David Tua quotes... who are those guys you have listed as being World Class opponents,"Izon, Daniels, Nicholson, Oquendo" ?.... Maskaev had been hammered by Oliver McCall in a single round, Moorer was at the tail-end of his career... which leaves John Ruiz who was still only a novice fighter when Tua caught him with the first punch of the fight for a 1rd KO... sorry that does not make David Tua a more experienced fighter with more success than the former champions you listed earlier... Tua was a Class C fighter who each time he fought a fighter rated above Class C he was beaten...
Yes, I did, and he made hard work out of beating (to coin one of your phrases) a typical 'Class C' fighter.. His name was Adnan Serin, not even the best HW in Turkey, who had been dispatched cleanly and quickly in previous outings, by Tony Thompson and Danny Williams.. In fact, he'd lost his last 3, & against Ruiz, the towell came in during the 7th because John could only rough him up as opposed to put him away..
Moorer, Lewis, Rahman, Maskaev, Byrd, Ibeabuchi were always Class A fighters, and apart from Ike, all won versions of the title to prove it..
Sullivan, Oquendo, Nicholson, Daniels, Izon were all contenders with healthy records and should be classed at the higher end of Class B..
Witherspoon, Page, Tubbs, Thomas, Coetzee, Dokes, Weaver and Berbick were all brutally knocked out during their careers, something that has never even come close to happening with Tua.. Despite engaging 7 world champs, when have you ever seen Tua in serious trouble?.. The answer is NEVER
When you say, 'Each time he fought a fighter rated above Class C he was beaten,' You're talking about 3 points decisions in 17 years and 54 fights, including one against Ibeabuchi that was desperately close & could have gone either way: and now you're infering that Moorer & Ruiz were at that time in their careers; Class C, when Tua became the one and only man to isolate both of them in 1 round a piece..

Really Sonnyboy; You can't go on like this, and expect to be taken seriously..

sonnyboyx2
01-21-2010, 04:36 AM
Yes, I did, and he made hard work out of beating (to coin one of your phrases) a typical 'Class C' fighter.. His name was Adnan Serin, not even the best HW in Turkey, who had been dispatched cleanly and quickly in previous outings, by Tony Thompson and Danny Williams.. In fact, he'd lost his last 3, & against Ruiz, the towell came in during the 7th because John could only rough him up as opposed to put him away..
Moorer, Lewis, Rahman, Maskaev, Byrd, Ibeabuchi were always Class A fighters, and apart from Ike, all won versions of the title to prove it..
Sullivan, Oquendo, Nicholson, Daniels, Izon were all contenders with healthy records and should be classed at the higher end of Class B..
Witherspoon, Page, Tubbs, Thomas, Coetzee, Dokes, Weaver and Berbick were all brutally knocked out during their careers, something that has never even come close to happening with Tua.. Despite engaging 7 world champs, when have you ever seen Tua in serious trouble?.. The answer is NEVER
When you say, 'Each time he fought a fighter rated above Class C he was beaten,' You're talking about 3 points decisions in 17 years and 54 fights, including one against Ibeabuchi that was desperately close & could have gone either way: and now you're infering that Moorer & Ruiz were at that time in their careers; Class C, when Tua became the one and only man to isolate both of them in 1 round a piece..

Really Sonnyboy; You can't go on like this, and expect to be taken seriously..

Mickey.. being knocked out does not place you below a guy who has not been KOd... Ezzard Charles, Sonny Liston, Floyd Patterson, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson etc etc was all KOd but David Tua is nowhere near as good as those... the difference with Tua & Witherspoon, Page, Tubbs, Thomas, Coetzee, Dokes, Weaver and Berbick is that those fighters won a world title at the top level where as Tua failed at the top level losing every round to Chris Byrd and virtually every round to Lennox Lewis... David Tua will always be remembered as "The Fattest man to ever fight for the Title"

As for John Ruiz vs David Haye... i will get back to you nearer the fight (should it happen) and we can have a little wager of some kind.

JAB5239
01-21-2010, 04:46 AM
Mickey.. being knocked out does not place you below a guy who has not been KOd... Ezzard Charles, Sonny Liston, Floyd Patterson, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson etc etc was all KOd but David Tua is nowhere near as good as those... the difference with Tua & Witherspoon, Page, Tubbs, Thomas, Coetzee, Dokes, Weaver and Berbick is that those fighters won a world title at the top level where as Tua failed at the top level losing every round to Chris Byrd and virtually every round to Lennox Lewis... David Tua will always be remembered as "The Fattest man to ever fight for the Title"

As for John Ruiz vs David Haye... i will get back to you nearer the fight (should it happen) and we can have a little wager of some kind.

I'd actually say Buster Mathis and Tony Galento have more a claim to that title, but thats just me.

sonnyboyx2
01-21-2010, 05:12 AM
I'd actually say Buster Mathis and Tony Galento have more a claim to that title, but thats just me.

David Tua at 5`10ins and 245lb was heavier than both Galento (233lb) and Mathis (243lb) when they fought for the world title.... Mathis was a huge guy who was over 6ft 3ins tall... David Tua is claimed to have one of the best chins in boxing but he never fought any top punchers, his management kept him away from punchers knowing that Tua got starched in less than a round by Felix Savon, whenever in his career he fought a guy who had even limited punch-power Tua got wobbled when him on the chin... Tua is vastly over-rated

JAB5239
01-21-2010, 06:03 AM
David Tua at 5`10ins and 245lb was heavier than both Galento (233lb) and Mathis (243lb) when they fought for the world title.... Mathis was a huge guy who was over 6ft 3ins tall... David Tua is claimed to have one of the best chins in boxing but he never fought any top punchers, his management kept him away from punchers knowing that Tua got starched in less than a round by Felix Savon, whenever in his career he fought a guy who had even limited punch-power Tua got wobbled when him on the chin... Tua is vastly over-rated

Though Tua was certainly a good 20lbs heavier than his best weight in the latter part of his career, he was still solid and well muscled. Mathis with fine skills was flabby as hell and Galento trained on beer and cigars. That was my only point.

mickey malone
01-21-2010, 06:23 AM
Mickey.. being knocked out does not place you below a guy who has not been KOd... Ezzard Charles, Sonny Liston, Floyd Patterson, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson etc etc was all KOd but David Tua is nowhere near as good as those... the difference with Tua & Witherspoon, Page, Tubbs, Thomas, Coetzee, Dokes, Weaver and Berbick is that those fighters won a world title at the top level where as Tua failed at the top level losing every round to Chris Byrd and virtually every round to Lennox Lewis... David Tua will always be remembered as "The Fattest man to ever fight for the Title"

As for John Ruiz vs David Haye... i will get back to you nearer the fight (should it happen) and we can have a little wager of some kind.
Oh yes it does, otherwise you wouldn't be so profoundly critical towards Lewis's KO defeats at the hands of McCall and Rahman.. Besides, the point I was making had more to do with Tua never once being in any kind of serious trouble in any fight despite competing several rounds with many noted punchers..
Rahman, Maskaev, Sullivan, Izon, Ibeabuchi, Moorer and Lewis all have terrific KO ratios..

When you say about the difference between Tua & the heavies from 80-85, being that they all won a title at top level.. What you have to remember is it was the same WBA title being tossed about from one scrappy decision to another amongst themselves..

Dokes takes it from Weaver, then Coetzee takes it from Dokes, then Page takes it from Coetzze, then Witherspoon takes it from Page, then Thomas takes it from Witherspoon, then Berbick takes it from Thomas, and so on.. I t really was a mess in those days, especially when you consider that with the exception of Witherspoon, not one of them could hold a flame to the 'Real' champ, Larry Holmes.. that's why Tua stands a 50/50 chance against all of them..

Here's a list of Class C tomato cans..

Everett Martin - beat Witherspoon
Mark Wills - beat Page
Marvis Frazier - beat Smith
Mike Hunter - beat Thomas
Lional Butler - beat Tubbs
ST Gordon - beat Berbick

Even a 38 year old Tua beats those guys IMO..
Sorry about putting Hunter in there cos i know you like him, but Tua's done a lot more than he ever did..

mickey malone
01-21-2010, 06:29 AM
David Tua at 5`10ins and 245lb was heavier than both Galento (233lb) and Mathis (243lb) when they fought for the world title.... Mathis was a huge guy who was over 6ft 3ins tall... David Tua is claimed to have one of the best chins in boxing but he never fought any top punchers, his management kept him away from punchers knowing that Tua got starched in less than a round by Felix Savon, whenever in his career he fought a guy who had even limited punch-power Tua got wobbled when him on the chin... Tua is vastly over-rated
Starched?.. Don't you mean stopped on his feet by a typically over-zealous amateur referee.. Tua was about 198lbs then..

sonnyboyx2
01-21-2010, 09:01 AM
Oh yes it does, otherwise you wouldn't be so profoundly critical towards Lewis's KO defeats at the hands of McCall and Rahman.. Besides, the point I was making had more to do with Tua never once being in any kind of serious trouble in any fight despite competing several rounds with many noted punchers..
Rahman, Maskaev, Sullivan, Izon, Ibeabuchi, Moorer and Lewis all have terrific KO ratios..

When you say about the difference between Tua & the heavies from 80-85, being that they all won a title at top level.. What you have to remember is it was the same WBA title being tossed about from one scrappy decision to another amongst themselves..

Dokes takes it from Weaver, then Coetzee takes it from Dokes, then Page takes it from Coetzze, then Witherspoon takes it from Page, then Thomas takes it from Witherspoon, then Berbick takes it from Thomas, and so on.. I t really was a mess in those days, especially when you consider that with the exception of Witherspoon, not one of them could hold a flame to the 'Real' champ, Larry Holmes.. that's why Tua stands a 50/50 chance against all of them..

Here's a list of Class C tomato cans..

Everett Martin - beat Witherspoon
Mark Wills - beat Page
Marvis Frazier - beat Smith
Mike Hunter - beat Thomas
Lional Butler - beat Tubbs
ST Gordon - beat Berbick

Even a 38 year old Tua beats those guys IMO..
Sorry about putting Hunter in there cos i know you like him, but Tua's done a lot more than he ever did..


1/. if Chris Byrd can easily outpoint Tua then Mike Hunter would have completely demoralized him..
2/. The punch Mark Wills KOd Page with would have definately poleaxed David Tua or any other fighter
3/. Witherspoon was `Robbed` against Everett Martin

your entitled to your opinion.. yet IMO all those fighters beat David Tua... Tua never in his career fought anyone who could punch like Bonecrusher Smith, Tim Witherspoon or Pink Thomas... Tony Tubbs would easily outpoint Tua, as would Page & Berbick... you claim they tossed the WBA belt among themselves in the 80s ... yet this was down to Larry Holmes wanting no-part of them... Holmes was offered big money fights with Thomas but turned them down and the 3 which Holmes did fight he struggled dramatically with... Witherspoon on a split-dec, Berbick PTS over a hard 15rds and Smith very fortunate cuts stoppage........
Rahman, Maskaev, Sullivan, Izon, Ibeabuchi, Moorer and Lewis all have terrific KO ratios..they are not exactly murders row are they....

My gripe with Lewis is not over his 2 KO defeats... my gripe is over his choice of opponent and the men he avoided and refused to fight....So i will bear-in-mind your comment of "Oh yes it does" matter if a fighter has been KOd compaired to a fighter who has not been KOd.... you claim Nigel Benn to be one of your favourites but he was not as good as Eubank because Benn was KOd whereas Eubank wasnt.

mickey malone
01-21-2010, 01:08 PM
1/. if Chris Byrd can easily outpoint Tua then Mike Hunter would have completely demoralized him..
2/. The punch Mark Wills KOd Page with would have definately poleaxed David Tua or any other fighter
3/. Witherspoon was `Robbed` against Everett Martin

your entitled to your opinion.. yet IMO all those fighters beat David Tua... Tua never in his career fought anyone who could punch like Bonecrusher Smith, Tim Witherspoon or Pink Thomas... Tony Tubbs would easily outpoint Tua, as would Page & Berbick... you claim they tossed the WBA belt among themselves in the 80s ... yet this was down to Larry Holmes wanting no-part of them... Holmes was offered big money fights with Thomas but turned them down and the 3 which Holmes did fight he struggled dramatically with... Witherspoon on a split-dec, Berbick PTS over a hard 15rds and Smith very fortunate cuts stoppage........
Rahman, Maskaev, Sullivan, Izon, Ibeabuchi, Moorer and Lewis all have terrific KO ratios..they are not exactly murders row are they....

My gripe with Lewis is not over his 2 KO defeats... my gripe is over his choice of opponent and the men he avoided and refused to fight....So i will bear-in-mind your comment of "Oh yes it does" matter if a fighter has been KOd compaired to a fighter who has not been KOd.... you claim Nigel Benn to be one of your favourites but he was not as good as Eubank because Benn was KOd whereas Eubank wasnt.
Without doubt, Byrd's best performance was against Tua, but he'd beat Hunter who struggled with guys like James Pritchard and Levi Billups.. In fact, I think he may have even lost to Billups..

Mark Wills had a record of 14-18-1 and a glass jaw.. Cannon fodder for Tua..

I agree, he was robbed and TBH, although Tua would have KO'd Martin, a prime Witherspoon beats a prime Tua..

And yes, they're all capable of beating him, providing they can avoid his left hook, and logic suggests, with the facts i've produced so far, that not all of them would..

With regard to the 3 beaten by Larry Holmes, only the fight with Witherspoon could be described as a dramatic struggle.. He controlled Berbick for 15, and Smith was the first to admit he'd been thoroughly outclassed at the end of their fight..

I don't rate fighters on how many times they've been KO'd, but fighters with good chins do tend to go a bit further in the game.. That's why most people rate Eubank a tadge higher than Benn, and Tua would stand a good chance against any HW in the world..

sonnyboyx2
01-21-2010, 01:30 PM
[QUOTE=mickey malone;7316603]Without doubt, Byrd's best performance was against Tua, but he'd beat Hunter who struggled with guys like James Pritchard and Levi Billups.. In fact, I think he may have even lost to Billups..

Mark Wills had a record of 14-18-1 and a glass jaw.. Cannon fodder for Tua..

I agree, he was robbed and TBH, although Tua would have KO'd Martin, a prime Witherspoon beats a prime Tua..

And yes, they're all capable of beating him, providing they can avoid his left hook, and logic suggests, with the facts i've produced so far, that not all of them would..

With regard to the 3 beaten by Larry Holmes, only the fight with Witherspoon could be described as a dramatic struggle.. He controlled Berbick for 15, and Smith was the first to admit he'd been thoroughly outclassed at the end of their fight..

I don't rate fighters on how many times they've been KO'd, but fighters with good chins do tend to go a bit further in the game.. That's why most people rate Eubank a tadge higher than Benn, and Tua would stand a good chance against any HW in the world..[/QUote

The same Levi Billups who Lennox Lewis failed to KO yet every other heavyweight he fought took him out in 2rds or less..

i said the punch Mark Wills KOd Page with would have KOd any fighter and that includes Tua.. you obviously aint seen Wills vs Page.

Holmes IMO was very fortunate to get the win against Smith

you said "Oh yes i do" which i took to mean you rate a fighter who has not been KOd above one that has... ie: Larry Holmes has been KOd
David Tua has not been KOd

Tua has zero boxing ability so i give him no chance against the likes of Wlad, Vitali, Holyfield, Toney etc

Tua was wobbled by Ibeabuchi at the bell to end the 10th round and floored by Rahman in their last fight that was ruled a slip..... like i said earlier David Tua has been kept away from punchers all his career, and if you take away his 19 second win over John Ruiz and first round blow-out of Michael Moorer who was past it.. then David Tua is nothing more than a journeyman fighter... He beat Ruiz 14yrs ago but never ever wanted a return with Ruiz.. it was a `suprise punch` he caught Ruiz with, no-one has been able to reproduce that to Ruiz in 14yrs...

you have your opinions and i have mine which is fair enough as we are miles away from the topic question of Top 10 fighters of each era..

mickey malone
01-22-2010, 12:29 AM
you have your opinions and i have mine which is fair enough as we are miles away from the topic question of Top 10 fighters of each era..

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Lol... I'm the only poster to answer 100% of the topic question, and it's only now that you're saying, 'we're miles off topic'!

So where are your lists then?..
Then we would have had something to compare mine to, but once again, you saw the names 'Lewis' and 'Tua', and the red mist of blind critisism decended..
Sonny, Everyone knows you don't rate them,so stop faffin about & show us ya lists.. It's only a hundred fighters, and shouldn't be too hard..

And going off topic (defending my listings), Don't you think it's strange, that neither of the Klitschko's have ever faced Tua, preferring the likes of Beck, Sanders, Kevin Johnson or a washed up Rahman.. I wonder why?
I agree that Moorer was past it, but Ruiz has had 14 years, to put a 19 second fluke behind him, and hasn't bothered.. Again, I wonder why?
The reason why, is that 'zero boxing ability' Tua is one of the most feared heavyweight contenders of all time, because he's stayed on his feet for 54 fights and put 43 of em to sleep..
'Oh yes i do' was actually 'Oh yes it does'... Which i used, only for that particular argument..
I was highlighting the fact that you have often said, 'If Rahman and McCall can KO Lewis, then anyone in the top 30 can'.. Please don't deny this, cos you know it's true.. I'd rate Patterson a lot higher than Tua, with Lewis & Tyson above Bowe and McCall as well as Tua, so i'm not out of context here..

them_apples
01-22-2010, 12:38 AM
Ok i'll start with 2 decades:

2000s
1-Wladimir Klitschko
2-Vitali Klitschko
3-Lennox Lewis(Lower because he didn't have many fights)
4-Chris Byrd
5-David Tua
6-Oleg Maskaev
7-Lamon Brewster
8-Hasim Rahman
9-Jameel McCline
10-John Ruiz


1990s
1-Lennox Lewis
2-Evander Holyfield(I still think it's very close between him and Lewis)
3-Mike Tyson
4-Riddick Bowe
5-George Foreman
6-David Tua
7-Tommy Morrison
8-Ray Mercer
9-Michael Moorer
10-Ike Ibeabuchi

80s
1-Mike Tyson
2-Larry Holmes
3-Tony Tucker
4-Tim Witherspoon
5-Pinklon Thomas
6-Michael Spinks
7-Carl Williams
8-Frank Bruno
9-James Smith
10-Tony Tubbs

70s
1-Muhammad Ali
2-George Foreman
3-Joe Frazier
4-Ken Norton
5-Ron Lyle
6-Jerry Quarry
7-Jimmy Young
8-Mac Foster
9-Joe Bugner
10-George Chuvalo


I'd have Holyfield as no.1 for the 90's, i'd put Lewis at no.2 for the 00's, I mean, he beat Vitali, who is above him. I'd put Bowe above Tyson in the 90's, Tyson lost 2 times to Holyfield where as Bowe won twice.

I think Holyfield steals the 90's, he fought everybody, beat a decent version of Tyson twice, got a win over Bowe and beat Foreman.

the 70's is spot on, as well as the 80's.

sonnyboyx2
01-22-2010, 01:29 AM
you have your opinions and i have mine which is fair enough as we are miles away from the topic question of Top 10 fighters of each era..

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Lol... I'm the only poster to answer 100% of the topic question, and it's only now that you're saying, 'we're miles off topic'!

So where are your lists then?..
Then we would have had something to compare mine to, but once again, you saw the names 'Lewis' and 'Tua', and the red mist of blind critisism decended..
Sonny, Everyone knows you don't rate them,so stop faffin about & show us ya lists.. It's only a hundred fighters, and shouldn't be too hard..

And going off topic (defending my listings), Don't you think it's strange, that neither of the Klitschko's have ever faced Tua, preferring the likes of Beck, Sanders, Kevin Johnson or a washed up Rahman.. I wonder why?
I agree that Moorer was past it, but Ruiz has had 14 years, to put a 19 second fluke behind him, and hasn't bothered.. Again, I wonder why?
The reason why, is that 'zero boxing ability' Tua is one of the most feared heavyweight contenders of all time, because he's stayed on his feet for 54 fights and put 43 of em to sleep..
'Oh yes i do' was actually 'Oh yes it does'... Which i used, only for that particular argument..
I was highlighting the fact that you have often said, 'If Rahman and McCall can KO Lewis, then anyone in the top 30 can'.. Please don't deny this, cos you know it's true.. I'd rate Patterson a lot higher than Tua, with Lewis & Tyson above Bowe and McCall as well as Tua, so i'm not out of context here..
i said we are miles off the topic because i am the only one posting on your thread... i said i would not have David Tua as one of the top 10 fighters of the 90s... so now you are claiming i am "Bashing Lennox Lewis" by saying i dont rate Tua.... its the same old line, David Tua is Lennox Lewis claim to fame, take away his win over Tua and what is left... nothing!... and visa-versa.
i dont even want to go into it and educate you on it because i will be banging my head against a wall when i claim Butler, Grant, Botha, Fortune, Akinwande, Jackson, Mavrovic was all Class C fighters who never deserved a World Title fight... as you have already told me that fighters like "Izon, Sullivan, Daniels, Maskaev, Nicholson & Oquendo" are all World Class B+ fighters.......
yet you claim Trevor Berbick had only one good victory in his career when he beat Pink Thomas, arnt you forgetting Berbicks wins over John Tate, Muhammad Ali, Mitch Green, David Bey, Iran Barkley, Greg Page & Gordy Racette, he was still good enough in his mid-40s to fight Hasim Rahman to a decision....

IMO the Klitschko`s have never fought Tua because Tua has never been in a position to challenge them, i have also claimed many times that Hasim Rahman is the worst undisputed champion in history which puts into perspective David Tua who fought him to a draw and a disputed stoppage win when miles behind on the scorecards..John Ruiz easily took care of Rahman winning every round... Tua never ever wanted a return with John Ruiz.

as for my lists... they are almost the same as yours with the exception of the fighters i queeried on your lists, and i have gave my views on why i queeried them.. but you are twisting it around to insinuate that i am bashing Lennox Lewis when i call into question David Tua, which is quite ridiculous, i have given you my reasons for questioning Tua but you have not given me your theory of how that equates to Lewis bashing?

mickey malone
01-22-2010, 04:05 AM
i said we are miles off the topic because i am the only one posting on your thread... i said i would not have David Tua as one of the top 10 fighters of the 90s... so now you are claiming i am "Bashing Lennox Lewis" by saying i dont rate Tua.... its the same old line, David Tua is Lennox Lewis claim to fame, take away his win over Tua and what is left... nothing!... and visa-versa.
i dont even want to go into it and educate you on it because i will be banging my head against a wall when i claim Butler, Grant, Botha, Fortune, Akinwande, Jackson, Mavrovic was all Class C fighters who never deserved a World Title fight... as you have already told me that fighters like "Izon, Sullivan, Daniels, Maskaev, Nicholson & Oquendo" are all World Class B+ fighters.......
yet you claim Trevor Berbick had only one good victory in his career when he beat Pink Thomas, arnt you forgetting Berbicks wins over John Tate, Muhammad Ali, Mitch Green, David Bey, Iran Barkley, Greg Page & Gordy Racette, he was still good enough in his mid-40s to fight Hasim Rahman to a decision....

IMO the Klitschko`s have never fought Tua because Tua has never been in a position to challenge them, i have also claimed many times that Hasim Rahman is the worst undisputed champion in history which puts into perspective David Tua who fought him to a draw and a disputed stoppage win when miles behind on the scorecards..John Ruiz easily took care of Rahman winning every round... Tua never ever wanted a return with John Ruiz.

as for my lists... they are almost the same as yours with the exception of the fighters i queeried on your lists, and i have gave my views on why i queeried them.. but you are twisting it around to insinuate that i am bashing Lennox Lewis when i call into question David Tua, which is quite ridiculous, i have given you my reasons for questioning Tua but you have not given me your theory of how that equates to Lewis bashing?
No, don't you mean that I'm the only one who has posted all ten lists on Yaman's thread?..
You did bash LL, by saying that he wasn't even top 5 during the 90's, which is absurd!
Tua isn't Lewis's claim to fame.. He had far more significant fights aginst Bruno, Ruddock, Holyfield, Morrison & Klitschko.. Lewis Tua didn't make for a good contest, for the shear fact that Lewis was worried about Tua's left hand, & therefore, boxed far more cautiously than in any of his other fights..

Thomas was Berbick's most impressive win, and he did well against Page too, but the others arn't anything to shout about, and how you can credit his win against Ali is totally beyond my comprehension.. The poor man should have been in hospital as opposed to a boxing ring..

Up until about 2 years ago, when Tua became less active, he was always in a position to challenge the Klits, the reasons being, that he's always maintained a good momentum by regularly knocking out other contenders while keeping his loses to a minimum..
The Klits, Valuev, Ruiz, Toney and Holyfield, all avoided Tua like the dentist..
Not long ago, someone posted some video evidence of him spanking Holyfield in sparring.. At one stage, he caught Evander with a stunning tripple left hook, which wobbled him all over the place..

I'm not twisting anything, we just disagree with regard to the abilities of a few fighters, and on a positive note, it's good to know that you agree with most of my listings, but as for Tua not wanting to fight Ruiz, i'm sorry mate, but that's godda be bollocks..

sonnyboyx2
01-22-2010, 06:14 AM
No, don't you mean that I'm the only one who has posted all ten lists on Yaman's thread?..
You did bash LL, by saying that he wasn't even top 5 during the 90's, which is absurd!
Tua isn't Lewis's claim to fame.. He had far more significant fights aginst Bruno, Ruddock, Holyfield, Morrison & Klitschko.. Lewis Tua didn't make for a good contest, for the shear fact that Lewis was worried about Tua's left hand, & therefore, boxed far more cautiously than in any of his other fights..

Thomas was Berbick's most impressive win, and he did well against Page too, but the others arn't anything to shout about, and how you can credit his win against Ali is totally beyond my comprehension.. The poor man should have been in hospital as opposed to a boxing ring..

Up until about 2 years ago, when Tua became less active, he was always in a position to challenge the Klits, the reasons being, that he's always maintained a good momentum by regularly knocking out other contenders while keeping his loses to a minimum..
The Klits, Valuev, Ruiz, Toney and Holyfield, all avoided Tua like the dentist..
Not long ago, someone posted some video evidence of him spanking Holyfield in sparring.. At one stage, he caught Evander with a stunning tripple left hook, which wobbled him all over the place..

I'm not twisting anything, we just disagree with regard to the abilities of a few fighters, and on a positive note, it's good to know that you agree with most of my listings, but as for Tua not wanting to fight Ruiz, i'm sorry mate, but that's godda be bollocks..


when Lewis fought Ruddock, `Razor was Damaged-Goods`when he fought Morrison, Tommy had just been hammered in 1rd by Michael Bent and was suffering HIV, Holyfield was years past his best, Bruno had suffered 3 brutal knock outs being left unconsious in 2 of them, IMO Lewis was very fortunate to be awarded the victory over Klitschko as i am of the opinion Vitali was cut by a deliberate headbutt and if the fight had gone to scorecards Vitali was a clear winner... You are entitled to your opinion of those fights and i am entitled to mine... i am not discrediting Lewis, what i am saying is that IMO Lennox Lewis never fought any fighters who was at the top of their game.. They had all been exposed previously, now i know you are of the impression Bowe ducked Lewis and i accept your choice of opinion, yet i am of the opposite in that Lewis ducked Bowe..

Berbicks victories over former champion Big John Tate and the very good David Bey are excellent wins... Tate was a very good fighter before "booze" got to him, while Bey is the unluckiest fighter in history not to be Heavyweight Champion.. so i cannot see how you can dismiss those wins as "nothing to shout about"...

you have agreed that Michael Moorer was old and past it when he got bombed out by Tua which only leaves Tua with the 19 second victory over John Ruiz.. unless you want to elaberate on some of his other wins that was against these "contenders he regular KOd".That you claim.... i also could never see any fighter avoiding David Tua, especialy The Klits, Holyfield or Toney... and like i pointed out earlier David Tua has never been in a position to challenge any of those fighters, he is not ranked by any organisation in their Top 20 and fell out of the ratings shortly after the Lewis defeat... i sugest you go watch David Tua vs Chris Byrd and you will see the difference between a class A boxer and a class C boxer... but if you think he deserves to be in your Top 10 Heavyweights of the 90s that is your perogative.

Tua sparring with Holyfield is imaterial.... when i brought up the Lewis vs Ruiz sparring story i was "shot down in flames" and told it never happened and that i musta mis-read what i read... :lol1:

GJC
01-22-2010, 11:26 AM
Sonny who do you have above Lewis in the 90's?
I remember you saying you had him rated 12 or14 all time, forgive me if I have misquoted you.
So if you have someone at 14 I would imagine that he must be at least top 5 in his era, surely?

sonnyboyx2
01-22-2010, 11:36 AM
Sonny who do you have above Lewis in the 90's?
I remember you saying you had him rated 12 or14 all time, forgive me if I have misquoted you.
So if you have someone at 14 I would imagine that he must be at least top 5 in his era, surely?

yes Lewis makes the Top 5... my mistake it should have been he does not make the Top 3..
1/. Holyfield
2/. Bowe
3/. Tyson
4/. Lewis

sonnyboyx2
01-22-2010, 12:01 PM
Sonny who do you have above Lewis in the 90's?
I remember you saying you had him rated 12 or14 all time, forgive me if I have misquoted you.
So if you have someone at 14 I would imagine that he must be at least top 5 in his era, surely?

GJC... you are very good at picking out a "Little Abstract" of 2 or 3 words from a 1000+ word article, and unlike myself and Mickey who argue our corner on what we feel is a correct analysis of the boxer or the fight, you never seem to be able to put forward an analysis, you are like the runner at the back of the field trying your best to trip-up the leaders each time they lap you rather than making a go for glory yourself.

GJC
01-22-2010, 12:02 PM
yes Lewis makes the Top 5... my mistake it should have been he does not make the Top 3..
1/. Holyfield
2/. Bowe
3/. Tyson
4/. Lewis
Fair go, think 4th is stingy but 6th or lower would be completely illogical

GJC
01-22-2010, 12:10 PM
GJC... you are very good at picking out a "Little Abstract" of 2 or 3 words from a 1000+ word article, and unlike myself and Mickey who argue our corner on what we feel is a correct analysis of the boxer or the fight, you never seem to be able to put forward an analysis, you are like the runner at the back of the field trying your best to trip-up the leaders each time they lap you rather than making a go for glory yourself.
lol @ runner at the back, probably not unfair :)
I am sorry if I come over as a bit nit picky I shall blame my grumpy old age.
It's more a case that I enjoy reading others posts and even if I don't agree with the content I can follow the argument. I then just notice something that dosn't quite flow or fit in the argument and sort of want it clarified.
I apologise if it seems that I am trying to trip others up it is not my intention, it is more I do enjoy reading another view and want a point that I don't understand the logic behind it explaining.
You are correct I should post more rather than respond, it is just I find that whenever I go over a paragraph I lose track of my point.
If you have read any of my lengthier posts you would probably thank me for my brevity lol

queenieerika
01-22-2010, 06:59 PM
Cool.... i'll be sharing a site soon on world records

mickey malone
01-22-2010, 08:13 PM
QUOTE:SONNYBOYX2: We'll always agree to differ where Lewis is concerned, but if you call being exposed, giving Mike Tyson two of his toughest fights, then once again, i have to disagree..
Damaged goods?.. I remember that fight; it was for the Commonwealth belt but was also viewed as an eliminater for the world title.. Ruddock was the 'who wants him?' of boxing at the time..
He'd just KO'd Greg Page and 25-0 puncher, Phil Jackson, and was looking so good in training that he came in as a slight favourite on the night.. Then Lewis does a demolition job on him, and it was almost considered a 'shock' in some circles..
Shortly afterwards, he got careless & was stopped by Tommy Morrison in a fight he was clearly winning, and then went on to win all of his next 12 fights, so i wouldn't say he was damaged b4 the Lewis fight..
He may have got physically hurt in the wars with Tyson, but in no way was he carrying any mental scars; he was coming off of two good wins, and full of confidence in the knowledge that Tyson couldn't stop him a year earlier: Ruddock was more of an improved fighter if anything..

Ah, Tommy Morrison.. Now if you can say that it was a 'surprise punch' that Tua caught Ruiz with, then i think it's fair to say the same thing can be said with regard to Bent vs Morrison, which had occurred 8 wins, 1 draw and 2 years before he fought Lewis, and once again, if anything, Morrison was also an improved fighter.. This was quite some time b4 he was diagnozed with the alleged HIV thing, which is another debate all of it's own!

As a point of interest, Morrison in some ways, could be considered a more skillful version of Tua, but Lewis engaged Morrison toe to toe, where as he fought Tua off the back foot, which is quite odd when you think about it.. Arguments could be made that he'd become gun shy since being KO'd, or it could be appreciated that he respected Tua's power more so than Morrisons; I'd be keen to know Lewis's take on that..
I don't go a lot into LL's win over Klitschko, as it was a past prime Lewis, who tried to box cautiously, but got caught up in a war.. I'm not sure about the headbutt, so i won't comment, but Vitaly was winning the boxing match, only to lose the 'fight'..

You've made some valid points on Berbick, some of which i'll go along with.. Bey was a good fighter, and Tate did have a good reputation coming into their fight.. OK, we wasn't to know that he'd been on the piss between fights, but indeed, Berbick was the one to signal the end for Tate..
I wouldn't say the wins over a bloated Iran Barkley and the limited Gordon Rachetti were great victories, and his style hardly set the division alight but all said, i will re-consider Berbick as a top 10 fighter of the 80's..

When I say, 'regularly fighting contenders,' i mean up and coming heavyweights with good records aswell as the odd 'testing' journeyman, who also adds to a fighters reputation..
Here's some of the fighters KO'd by Tua between 1995-2005 & their records at the time they were beaten..


Nate Tubbs 17-3-0
Darroll Wilson 17-0-2
John Ruiz 25-2-0
David Izon 18-1-0
Oleg Maskaev 10-1-0
Eric Curry 22-5-0
Hasim Rahman 29-0-0
Gary Bell 21-2-0
Shane Sutcliffe 22-8-1
Obed Sullivan 35-6-1
Robert Daniels 39-4-1
Danell Nicholson 39-3-0
Fres Oquendo 22-0-0
Talmadge Griffiths 22-5-3


Tua cannot be labeled a 'class c boxer' on the strength of one bad day at the office..
Byrd is notorious for making certain styles look bad.. He even made Holyfield and Vitali look bad!.. Klitschko missed with so much leather, he popped his rotator-cuff, and quit on his stool..

The bottom line of it is; David Tua was ducked by most of the world champions over the past 10 years, because they were apprehensive about putting their titles on the line.. In short, they were scared of him!

sonnyboyx2
01-23-2010, 06:36 AM
QUOTE:SONNYBOYX2: We'll always agree to differ where Lewis is concerned, but if you call being exposed, giving Mike Tyson two of his toughest fights, then once again, i have to disagree..
Damaged goods?.. I remember that fight; it was for the Commonwealth belt but was also viewed as an eliminater for the world title.. Ruddock was the 'who wants him?' of boxing at the time..
He'd just KO'd Greg Page and 25-0 puncher, Phil Jackson, and was looking so good in training that he came in as a slight favourite on the night.. Then Lewis does a demolition job on him, and it was almost considered a 'shock' in some circles..
Shortly afterwards, he got careless & was stopped by Tommy Morrison in a fight he was clearly winning, and then went on to win all of his next 12 fights, so i wouldn't say he was damaged b4 the Lewis fight..
He may have got physically hurt in the wars with Tyson, but in no way was he carrying any mental scars; he was coming off of two good wins, and full of confidence in the knowledge that Tyson couldn't stop him a year earlier: Ruddock was more of an improved fighter if anything..

Ah, Tommy Morrison.. Now if you can say that it was a 'surprise punch' that Tua caught Ruiz with, then i think it's fair to say the same thing can be said with regard to Bent vs Morrison, which had occurred 8 wins, 1 draw and 2 years before he fought Lewis, and once again, if anything, Morrison was also an improved fighter.. This was quite some time b4 he was diagnozed with the alleged HIV thing, which is another debate all of it's own!

As a point of interest, Morrison in some ways, could be considered a more skillful version of Tua, but Lewis engaged Morrison toe to toe, where as he fought Tua off the back foot, which is quite odd when you think about it.. Arguments could be made that he'd become gun shy since being KO'd, or it could be appreciated that he respected Tua's power more so than Morrisons; I'd be keen to know Lewis's take on that..
I don't go a lot into LL's win over Klitschko, as it was a past prime Lewis, who tried to box cautiously, but got caught up in a war.. I'm not sure about the headbutt, so i won't comment, but Vitaly was winning the boxing match, only to lose the 'fight'..

You've made some valid points on Berbick, some of which i'll go along with.. Bey was a good fighter, and Tate did have a good reputation coming into their fight.. OK, we wasn't to know that he'd been on the piss between fights, but indeed, Berbick was the one to signal the end for Tate..
I wouldn't say the wins over a bloated Iran Barkley and the limited Gordon Rachetti were great victories, and his style hardly set the division alight but all said, i will re-consider Berbick as a top 10 fighter of the 80's..

When I say, 'regularly fighting contenders,' i mean up and coming heavyweights with good records aswell as the odd 'testing' journeyman, who also adds to a fighters reputation..
Here's some of the fighters KO'd by Tua between 1995-2005 & their records at the time they were beaten..


Nate Tubbs 17-3-0
Darroll Wilson 17-0-2
John Ruiz 25-2-0
David Izon 18-1-0
Oleg Maskaev 10-1-0
Eric Curry 22-5-0
Hasim Rahman 29-0-0
Gary Bell 21-2-0
Shane Sutcliffe 22-8-1
Obed Sullivan 35-6-1
Robert Daniels 39-4-1
Danell Nicholson 39-3-0
Fres Oquendo 22-0-0
Talmadge Griffiths 22-5-3


Tua cannot be labeled a 'class c boxer' on the strength of one bad day at the office..
Byrd is notorious for making certain styles look bad.. He even made Holyfield and Vitali look bad!.. Klitschko missed with so much leather, he popped his rotator-cuff, and quit on his stool..

The bottom line of it is; David Tua was ducked by most of the world champions over the past 10 years, because they were apprehensive about putting their titles on the line.. In short, they were scared of him!

Mickey... short & sweet mate because i am getting bored with this argument as some of your quotes are bordering on laughable!

Ruddock had his jaw, cheek-bone & eye socket samashed by Mike Tyson in their 2nd fight...

Phil Jackson 25-0 was a pathetic joke who had fought no-one of note.

Greg Page had suffered a brutal KO by Mark Wills which i mentioned earlier... have you seen that fight?

Ruddock never landed a single punch against Lewis (i was there) he was gun shy.. also Lewis was 10/11 favourite.

Michael Bents victory over Morrison in no way represents the Ruiz vs Tua fight...Ruiz was cold-****ed in 19 seconds including the 10 count when hit with the first shot of the fight.... Morrison was all over Bent for 2 minutes until he was hit with a 3 punch combo and took a knee, he went down twice more and the fight was waved off...

Morrison turned to acting in movies and was on the downslide of his career... it was also well known that Morrison was a steroid abuser and easy meat for a bigger guy like Lewis or Bowe.

The list of fighters you have put up are fighters rated in the 50-25 bracket who had padded records and failed when they fought out of the Class C class.

David Tua IMO has never had much boxing ability and i would find it difficult to see him beat any fighter by decision using his boxing skills.. i agree that Tua is a very heavy puncher and that is his only strong point in this sport.. as i pointed out earlier i can never recall David Tua being in a position to challenge any top fighters or being avoided by the top fighters, infact whenever Tua had a half-decent victory he was immediately chosen by the top fighters as their next opponent simply because they knew he was "easy-meat" due to his lack of ability... Lennox Lewis said" Tua will need more than a big left-hook & a funny haircut, to beat me"..... i just could not see Tua beating the likes of Witherspoon, Tubbs, Berbick, Smith etc... he would have to win by KO and i feel they was all to seasoned for that to happen

mickey malone
01-23-2010, 10:14 AM
QUOTE:SONNYBOYX2

Mickey... short & sweet mate because i am getting bored with this argument as some of your quotes are bordering on laughable!

Yeah, facts do get boring after a while..

Greg Page had suffered a brutal KO by Mark Wills which i mentioned earlier... have you seen that fight? Yeah

Ruddock had his jaw, cheek-bone & eye socket samashed by Mike Tyson in their 2nd fight...

It has been known to happen in boxing

Phil Jackson 25-0 was a pathetic joke who had fought no-one of note.

With 23KO's and a stern test for anyone

Ruddock never landed a single punch against Lewis (i was there) he was gun shy.. also Lewis was 10/11 favourite.

Lewis was just too sharp

Michael Bents victory over Morrison in no way represents the Ruiz vs Tua fight...Ruiz was cold-****ed in 19 seconds including the 10 count when hit with the first shot of the fight.... Morrison was all over Bent for 2 minutes until he was hit with a 3 punch combo and took a knee, he went down twice more and the fight was waved off...

It represents the same level of 'upset'

Morrison turned to acting in movies and was on the downslide of his career... it was also well known that Morrison was a steroid abuser and easy meat for a bigger guy like Lewis or Bowe.

Wow! LL did even better than I thought, if he was on roids

The list of fighters you have put up are fighters rated in the 50-25 bracket who had padded records and failed when they fought out of the Class C class.

They've all had some good wins too..

David Tua IMO has never had much boxing ability and i would find it difficult to see him beat any fighter by decision using his boxing skills.. i agree that Tua is a very heavy puncher and that is his only strong point in this sport.. No chin then?

i can never recall David Tua being in a position to challenge any top fighters or being avoided by the top fighters, infact whenever Tua had a half-decent victory he was immediately chosen by the top fighters as their next opponent simply because they knew he was "easy-meat" due to his lack of ability...
Top fighters or class c?

i just could not see Tua beating the likes of Witherspoon, Tubbs, Berbick, Smith etc... he would have to win by KO and i feel they was all to seasoned for that to happen...

I couldn't see Martin beating Witherspoon or Butler beating Tubbs or ST Gordon beating Berbick or Marvis Frazier beating Smith.. Tua's better than those guys, and lets face it; **** appens..

sonnyboyx2
01-23-2010, 10:42 AM
QUOTE:SONNYBOYX2

Mickey... short & sweet mate because i am getting bored with this argument as some of your quotes are bordering on laughable!

Yeah, facts do get boring after a while..

Greg Page had suffered a brutal KO by Mark Wills which i mentioned earlier... have you seen that fight? Yeah

Ruddock had his jaw, cheek-bone & eye socket samashed by Mike Tyson in their 2nd fight...

It has been known to happen in boxing

Phil Jackson 25-0 was a pathetic joke who had fought no-one of note.

With 23KO's and a stern test for anyone

Ruddock never landed a single punch against Lewis (i was there) he was gun shy.. also Lewis was 10/11 favourite.

Lewis was just too sharp

Michael Bents victory over Morrison in no way represents the Ruiz vs Tua fight...Ruiz was cold-****ed in 19 seconds including the 10 count when hit with the first shot of the fight.... Morrison was all over Bent for 2 minutes until he was hit with a 3 punch combo and took a knee, he went down twice more and the fight was waved off...

It represents the same level of 'upset'

Morrison turned to acting in movies and was on the downslide of his career... it was also well known that Morrison was a steroid abuser and easy meat for a bigger guy like Lewis or Bowe.

Wow! LL did even better than I thought, if he was on roids

The list of fighters you have put up are fighters rated in the 50-25 bracket who had padded records and failed when they fought out of the Class C class.

They've all had some good wins too..

David Tua IMO has never had much boxing ability and i would find it difficult to see him beat any fighter by decision using his boxing skills.. i agree that Tua is a very heavy puncher and that is his only strong point in this sport.. No chin then?

i can never recall David Tua being in a position to challenge any top fighters or being avoided by the top fighters, infact whenever Tua had a half-decent victory he was immediately chosen by the top fighters as their next opponent simply because they knew he was "easy-meat" due to his lack of ability...
Top fighters or class c?

i just could not see Tua beating the likes of Witherspoon, Tubbs, Berbick, Smith etc... he would have to win by KO and i feel they was all to seasoned for that to happen...

I couldn't see Martin beating Witherspoon or Butler beating Tubbs or ST Gordon beating Berbick or Marvis Frazier beating Smith.. Tua's better than those guys, and lets face it; **** appens..

Mickey... can you describe the ending of Wills vs Page for me please..........

Who had Phil Jackson beaten that was rated in the world top 100 at the time of losing to Ruddock or losing to Lewis 5 fights later?

Ruiz was a novice when Tua flattened him... Morrison was a world champion when Bent flattened him.. so no it was not the same level of upset...

Tommy Morrison steroid use:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/article3137220.ece

David Tua will always be thought of as having a good chin if he never fights any fighters who can punch..from memory he was wobbled by Ibeabuchi at the bell to end the 10th round and Rahman had him down ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsMRUCzHuGs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja71FoZQrfY


Terrible Tim would behead Tua

GJC
01-23-2010, 10:47 AM
Jeez lads this is becoming an epic lol

sonnyboyx2
01-23-2010, 11:18 AM
Jeez lads this is becoming an epic lol

There is not much else in the history section to grasp my thoughts so ive stuck with this.... Mickey must be busy in his bar today coz he is not as active as usual.. you could always start a new interesting thread GJC

GJC
01-23-2010, 11:51 AM
Yes I shall have a little think we could do with a few fresh threads.

mickey malone
01-23-2010, 12:00 PM
Mickey... can you describe the ending of Wills vs Page for me please..........

Wills clowning, cuts Page and KD's him in the 9th.. Page refuses to come out for the 10th, and retires on his stool.. Hardly a devastating KO; Page was just outta shape..

Who had Phil Jackson beaten that was rated in the world top 100 at the time of losing to Ruddock or losing to Lewis 5 fights later?

I can only refer to boxrec on this, and they don't give top 100 ratings on retired fighters, so i can't answer you truthfully on that.. Besides, there were only 2 years inbetween those two fights, so there isn't much to go by..

Ruiz was a novice when Tua flattened him... Morrison was a world champion when Bent flattened him.. so no it was not the same level of upset...

Ruiz was highly rated at the time..

Tommy Morrison steroid use:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle3137220.ece

Great, so Morrison was cheating, and Lewis still won..

David Tua will always be thought of as having a good chin if he never fights any fighters who can punch..from memory he was wobbled by Ibeabuchi at the bell to end the 10th round and Rahman had him down ....

Two big punchers, if i'm not mistaken..

Terrible Tim would behead Tua

Nah, UD Witherspoon

sonnyboyx2
01-23-2010, 01:50 PM
Mickey i have caught you out mate... you are telling porkies
The Mark Wills vs Greg Page fight is not on Youtube, so you cant watch it on there, the only way to watch it is if you have the fight in your collection or watched it on TV at the time it was aired... i am sure that their is one or two members who can verify this for me in that the ending was nothing remotely like you described it, in fact you could not be further from the truth.....Let me describe the finnish for you because i happen to have that fight in my collection:

Page turned up in terrible state weighing over 240lbs against the hard-hitting gym rat Mark Wills who was in very good shape, the fight was a "Slugfest" from the opening bell with Wills decking Page at the end of the opening round, Page recovered to floor Wills with a big left-hook in the 2nd round, the action ebbed and flowed throughout the first 8rds in the 9th round Page trudged forwards towards Wills.. Wills took 3 quick steps forwards and let go the most devastating right-hand bomb you could ever wish to see, it hit Page right on the button, lifting all 240lbs of him off the canvas and launching him 7 or 8ft across the ring on his back, Page rose to his feet at the count of 9 with blood pouring from a cut over his right eye, the bell saved Page and as he sat in his corner he started argueing with his trainer saying,"this ain't a fight. This is just training!" and electing not to come out for the final round..... Mickey if you had seen that fight mate, you would never forget that punch that Wills wacked Page with... in watching over 20,000+ fights i have never seen a punch as devastating which lifts a 240lb man off his feet and launches him, and you would never forget it also.

mickey malone
01-23-2010, 02:39 PM
Mickey i have caught you out mate... you are telling porkies
The Mark Wills vs Greg Page fight is not on Youtube, so you cant watch it on there, the only way to watch it is if you have the fight in your collection or watched it on TV at the time it was aired... i am sure that their is one or two members who can verify this for me in that the ending was nothing remotely like you described it, in fact you could not be further from the truth.....Let me describe the finnish for you because i happen to have that fight in my collection:

Page turned up in terrible state weighing over 240lbs against the hard-hitting gym rat Mark Wills who was in very good shape, the fight was a "Slugfest" from the opening bell with Wills decking Page at the end of the opening round, Page recovered to floor Wills with a big left-hook in the 2nd round, the action ebbed and flowed throughout the first 8rds in the 9th round Page trudged forwards towards Wills.. Wills took 3 quick steps forwards and let go the most devastating right-hand bomb you could ever wish to see, it hit Page right on the button, lifting all 240lbs of him off the canvas and launching him 7 or 8ft across the ring on his back, Page rose to his feet at the count of 9 with blood pouring from a cut over his right eye, the bell saved Page and as he sat in his corner he started argueing with his trainer saying,"this ain't a fight. This is just training!" and electing not to come out for the final round..... Mickey if you had seen that fight mate, you would never forget that punch that Wills wacked Page with... in watching over 20,000+ fights i have never seen a punch as devastating which lifts a 240lb man off his feet and launches him, and you would never forget it also.
You're ''Bang Out Of Order' and you know it!..

There's me sitting there like a fool trying to fukin remember it, and you've just copied that word for word off of Google.. I've just checked and it's there for everyone to see..
So i'm afraid it's you who has been caught out on this occasion Sonnyboy..

sonnyboyx2
01-23-2010, 02:52 PM
You're ''Bang Out Of Order' and you know it!..

There's me sitting there like a fool trying to fukin remember it, and you've just copied that word for word off of Google.. I've just checked and it's there for everyone to see..
So i'm afraid it's you who has been caught out on this occasion Sonnyboy..

nope... if you think that then put the google link up here which has my post "Word-for-Word" in...

i dont need to use google or boxrec.... i have the fight right here in front of me on DVD.. Wills blue shorts, Page white shorts.

TheGreatA
01-23-2010, 09:48 PM
I think you are both right and wrong. Page fought Mark Wills two times and was stopped both times. Once after quitting on his stool due to cuts and the second time after being pole-axed with a big right hand haymaker. Page turned up in horrible shape and lost to a mediocre fighter at best.

In the first fight he clowned and was hit with an uppercut which made him bite his tongue. This led to him retiring on his stool.

The rematch:

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10:45

mickey malone
01-23-2010, 10:40 PM
Mickey i have caught you out mate... you are telling porkies
The Mark Wills vs Greg Page fight is not on Youtube, so you cant watch it on there, the only way to watch it is if you have the fight in your collection or watched it on TV at the time it was aired... i am sure that their is one or two members who can verify this for me in that the ending was nothing remotely like you described it, in fact you could not be further from the truth.....Let me describe the finnish for you because i happen to have that fight in my collection:

Page turned up in terrible state weighing over 240lbs against the hard-hitting gym rat Mark Wills who was in very good shape, the fight was a "Slugfest" from the opening bell with Wills decking Page at the end of the opening round, Page recovered to floor Wills with a big left-hook in the 2nd round, the action ebbed and flowed throughout the first 8rds in the 9th round Page trudged forwards towards Wills.. Wills took 3 quick steps forwards and let go the most devastating right-hand bomb you could ever wish to see, it hit Page right on the button, lifting all 240lbs of him off the canvas and launching him 7 or 8ft across the ring on his back, Page rose to his feet at the count of 9 with blood pouring from a cut over his right eye, the bell saved Page and as he sat in his corner he started argueing with his trainer saying,"this ain't a fight. This is just training!" and electing not to come out for the final round..... Mickey if you had seen that fight mate, you would never forget that punch that Wills wacked Page with... in watching over 20,000+ fights i have never seen a punch as devastating which lifts a 240lb man off his feet and launches him, and you would never forget it also.
Greg Page (boxer)
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Real name Greg Page
Rated at Heavyweight
Nationality American
Birth date October 25, 1958(1958-10-25)
Birth place Louisville, KY
Death date April 27, 2009 (aged 50)
Death place Louisville, KY
Stance Orthodox
Boxing record
Total fights 76
Wins 58
Wins by KO 48
Losses 17
Draws 1
No contests 0
Greg Page (October 25, 1958 April 27, 2009)[1] was an American boxer. He was the World Boxing Association Heavyweight champion from 1984 to 1985. His professional record after his retirement in 2001 was 58-17-1 with 48 Knockouts.



In June 1986, Page competed in a California state heavyweight tournament. He showed up horribly out of shape at 242 pounds to tackle the dangerous Mark Wills,
a hard hitting gym rat who had given Witherspoon a torrid fight. Page, completely ill prepared, was dragged into a slugfest. Dropped by a barrage in the first round, he recovered to deck Wills with a short left hook in the second. At the end of 9 rounds Wills cut Page and knocked him down whilst he was clowning. This led to the surreal image of Page sitting on his stool, arguing with his trainer "this ain't a fight. This is just training!" and electing not to come out for the final round.

Sonny, i don't have access to a vast fight library as you do, and if i did, i wouldn't be smug enough to state 'what colour shorts' they were wearing etc to someone who is completely relying on memory..
I'm saying, that certain fights that are clear in your mind, will rarely be in others.. Sure, i remembered there was a KD, but not as vividly and in the same dramatic fashion that you do.. I knew it was the 9th round because, 'hands up,' i consulted boxrec on that one.. I also knew there were other KD's in the fight, but could not remember by who, and what rounds they came in, and i vaguely remember a comical end to the fight, but thought it was Wills as opposed to Page..
I don't doubt you do have the fight, so why the need to consult Wikipedia?
I'm not knocking it; but please stop childishly thinking you have all the aces & trying to 'catch me out' as it doesn't wear.

mickey malone
01-24-2010, 12:01 AM
QUOTE:GREATA
I think you are both right and wrong. Page fought Mark Wills two times and was stopped both times. Once after quitting on his stool due to cuts and the second time after being pole-axed with a big right hand haymaker. Page turned up in horrible shape and lost to a mediocre fighter at best.

In the first fight he clowned and was hit with an uppercut which made him bite his tongue. This led to him retiring on his stool.

Well done GreatA; Priceless info as always..

Have to admit to never seeing the second fight which explains a lot really..
So i wonder why Sonnyboy never said it was the 6th round where Page was sent into orbit.. This despite having it 'right infront of him' beggars belief!

QUOTE:SONNYBOYX2
the action ebbed and flowed throughout the first 8rds in the 9th round Page trudged forwards towards Wills.. Wills took 3 quick steps forwards and let go the most devastating right-hand bomb you could ever wish to see, it hit Page right on the button, lifting all 240lbs of him off the canvas and launching him 7 or 8ft across the ring on his back

sonnyboyx2
01-24-2010, 03:30 AM
QUOTE:GREATA
I think you are both right and wrong. Page fought Mark Wills two times and was stopped both times. Once after quitting on his stool due to cuts and the second time after being pole-axed with a big right hand haymaker. Page turned up in horrible shape and lost to a mediocre fighter at best.

In the first fight he clowned and was hit with an uppercut which made him bite his tongue. This led to him retiring on his stool.

Well done GreatA; Priceless info as always..

Have to admit to never seeing the second fight which explains a lot really..
So i wonder why Sonnyboy never said it was the 6th round where Page was sent into orbit.. This despite having it 'right infront of him' beggars belief!

QUOTE:SONNYBOYX2
the action ebbed and flowed throughout the first 8rds in the 9th round Page trudged forwards towards Wills.. Wills took 3 quick steps forwards and let go the most devastating right-hand bomb you could ever wish to see, it hit Page right on the button, lifting all 240lbs of him off the canvas and launching him 7 or 8ft across the ring on his back

i have both fights right in front of me in my collection.. i mentioned this fight in the hardest one-punch KO thread which i started a week or so ago.. if i had not seen the fight i would not have brought it up as being one of the single hardest punches ive seen... if it was their 1st fight thats cool, how i have described the punch it is just how it happened.. could you forget that punch if you had seen that fight.... No

mickey malone
01-24-2010, 07:33 AM
i have both fights right in front of me in my collection.. i mentioned this fight in the hardest one-punch KO thread which i started a week or so ago.. if i had not seen the fight i would not have brought it up as being one of the single hardest punches ive seen... if it was their 1st fight thats cool, how i have described the punch it is just how it happened.. could you forget that punch if you had seen that fight.... No
W H O O P S! a daisy

So the ultimate 'FILMANOLOGIST' has BOTH fights right infront of him; lol oh lol oh fukin lol.. 'God bless mother nature!'

And i take it, this is despite the fact that you were 'NEVER' aware that there'd ever even been 'TWO' fights in the 1st place!... Well, TBH, neither was i, but at least i had the decency to admit it..
But, EVEN NOW, this appears to be a 'bridge too far' for your good-self ?

Sonny; I'd suggest, you Just log off, and put your head in your hands... You've been exposed more than a peeled cucumber...

How in 'Gods name' can you honestly, even attempt, to defend factually incorrect info? (amateur-dramatic) bull****: on the strength of a 'Marvel Comic' bogus film collection?

Yes, you remembered the punch alright; Just a shame about everything else..

1. If I had your alleged film collection, i'd be fukin Einstein!
2. If your brains were made of TNT, there wouldn't be enough to blow ya hat into the Derwent..

Sonny,,, Shape up, or ship out!.... You know it makes sense

Ziggy Stardust
01-24-2010, 09:48 AM
W H O O P S! a daisy

So the ultimate 'FILMANOLOGIST' has BOTH fights right infront of him; lol oh lol oh fukin lol.. 'God bless mother nature!'

And i take it, this is despite the fact that you were 'NEVER' aware that there'd ever even been 'TWO' fights in the 1st place!... Well, TBH, neither was i, but at least i had the decency to admit it..
But, EVEN NOW, this appears to be a 'bridge too far' for your good-self ?

Sonny; I'd suggest, you Just log off, and put your head in your hands... You've been exposed more than a peeled cucumber...

How in 'Gods name' can you honestly, even attempt, to defend factually incorrect info? (amateur-dramatic) bull****: on the strength of a 'Marvel Comic' bogus film collection?

Yes, you remembered the punch alright; Just a shame about everything else..

1. If I had your alleged film collection, i'd be fukin Einstein!
2. If your brains were made of TNT, there wouldn't be enough to blow ya hat into the Derwent..

Sonny,,, Shape up, or ship out!.... You know it makes sense

:haha: Pure unadulturated OWNAGE!!!!! :rofl:

Poet

sonnyboyx2
01-25-2010, 05:49 AM
W H O O P S! a daisy

So the ultimate 'FILMANOLOGIST' has BOTH fights right infront of him; lol oh lol oh fukin lol.. 'God bless mother nature!'

And i take it, this is despite the fact that you were 'NEVER' aware that there'd ever even been 'TWO' fights in the 1st place!... Well, TBH, neither was i, but at least i had the decency to admit it..
But, EVEN NOW, this appears to be a 'bridge too far' for your good-self ?

Sonny; I'd suggest, you Just log off, and put your head in your hands... You've been exposed more than a peeled cucumber...

How in 'Gods name' can you honestly, even attempt, to defend factually incorrect info? (amateur-dramatic) bull****: on the strength of a 'Marvel Comic' bogus film collection?

Yes, you remembered the punch alright; Just a shame about everything else..

1. If I had your alleged film collection, i'd be fukin Einstein!
2. If your brains were made of TNT, there wouldn't be enough to blow ya hat into the Derwent..

Sonny,,, Shape up, or ship out!.... You know it makes sense

i knew they had 2 fights i was unsure of which fight it was that Wills launched Page.. nothing wrong with that, it often happens... "what fight was Chacon on the floor 1st or 2nd against Olivares".?... its easy done....
its also very obvious that i have seen the fight otherwise i would never have mentioned the punch, i would never have mentioned the punch in the hardest punch ever thread....i would never have asked you to describe the ending of the fight, the reason i asked you was to see if you mentioned that huge punch... you claimed you had seen the fight which was a lie.... now like it or not i caught you out telling lies, you have left a paper-trail of lies, so from now on you can never be taken seriously because you are dishonest, you are dishonest because you resort to telling lies to try to prove that you are correct... but i caught you out, and its there for everyone to see that i caught you out.... and because i caught you out telling lies you have immediately turned to your old ways of ridiculing me personaly to try to hide the fact that you was caught... Mickey it would have been easy to say "No ive not seen that fight".... But you never had the balls to do that because it would mean that you could then not have the final word in this discusion, so you resorted to dishonesty... i am not going to ridicule you with playground print nor am i going to put black marks against your name... But never ever again Micky should you question my knowledge of the sport of boxing, i speak with honesty not dishonesty..

sonnyboyx2
01-25-2010, 05:54 AM
:haha: Pure unadulturated OWNAGE!!!!! :rofl:

Poet

You have tried on several occasions and failed just like Micky ...i know that i piss both you off very very much, but i enjoy it so much :owned2:

Ziggy Stardust
01-25-2010, 09:57 AM
You have tried on several occasions and failed just like Micky ...i know that i piss both you off very very much, but i enjoy it so much :owned2:

You've been exposed as a Google warrior now slink away in shame :bottle:

Poet

mickey malone
01-25-2010, 10:51 AM
i knew they had 2 fights i was unsure of which fight it was that Wills launched Page

Which is a blatant lie, and exactly what led to you making a complete fool of yourself in the first place..

its also very obvious that i have seen the fight otherwise i would never have mentioned
the punch.

You've seen the 2nd fight (1990) only, but you never knew about the 1st fight (1986).. I have already admitted to not knowing about the 1990 fight in my earlier post to GreatA.. The post that cleared all of this up, the post that you didn't reply to, because it was the post that exposed you as a lying fantacist..
The real truth is, you did exactly the same as me.. (fuk!... I never knew they had 2 fights!).. But NO, you were far too embroiled in your own smug superiority, to admit it..

I had already described the 1st fight fairly accurately from memory, only for you to make a false attempt to discredit me, by saying that you had 'caught me out' telling 'Porkies.' - Now why would you do that?
The answer is very simple.. You Didn't Know About The 1986 Fight!!!!
You then made yourself look a prize one cunt by coming out with this

the action ebbed and flowed throughout the first 8rds in the 9th round Page trudged forwards towards Wills..

This despite the fact, the fight was all over by the
6th Round.. But you shamelessly concluded the 9th by copying information from Wikipedea on the Wrong fight you clown..

Sonny, If you were not a liar, you would have said Wills Page I or Wills Page II right from the very start, but you did not.. So i'm afraid this irreversably, confirms you as not a particularly smart deceiver..
And laughably, you now have the nerve to come out with this..

so from now on you can never be taken seriously because you are dishonest, you are dishonest because you resort to telling lies to try to prove that you are correct... but i caught you out, and its there for everyone to see that i caught you out....

You've caught yourself out Sonnyboy.. Look, here's another outrageous lie that you came out with, after the clarifying post from GreatA..

i have both fights right in front of me in my collection.. i mentioned this fight in the hardest one-punch KO thread which i started a week or so ago..

No Sonnyboy, you have the 1990 fight only..

Anyway, here's my favourite Sonnyboy quote of all time

But never ever again Micky should you question my knowledge of the sport of boxing, i speak with honesty not dishonesty..

Priceless!

sonnyboyx2
01-25-2010, 11:56 AM
i knew they had 2 fights i was unsure of which fight it was that Wills launched Page.. nothing wrong with that, it often happens... "what fight was Chacon on the floor 1st or 2nd against Olivares".?... its easy done....
its also very obvious that i have seen the fight otherwise i would never have mentioned the punch, i would never have mentioned the punch in the hardest punch ever thread....i would never have asked you to describe the ending of the fight, the reason i asked you was to see if you mentioned that huge punch... you claimed you had seen the fight which was a lie.... now like it or not i caught you out telling lies, you have left a paper-trail of lies, so from now on you can never be taken seriously because you are dishonest, you are dishonest because you resort to telling lies to try to prove that you are correct... but i caught you out, and its there for everyone to see that i caught you out.... and because i caught you out telling lies you have immediately turned to your old ways of ridiculing me personaly to try to hide the fact that you was caught... Mickey it would have been easy to say "No ive not seen that fight".... But you never had the balls to do that because it would mean that you could then not have the final word in this discusion, so you resorted to dishonesty... i am not going to ridicule you with playground print nor am i going to put black marks against your name... But never ever again Micky should you question my knowledge of the sport of boxing, i speak with honesty not dishonesty..

sonnyboyx2
01-25-2010, 12:24 PM
You've been exposed as a Google warrior now slink away in shame :bottle:

Poet

you would like to think ive been exposed but the reality is that i have not... and you know i have not

so just keep tuning-in to my posts as maybe one day you might be lucky (i doubt it).. but in the meantime you will educate yourself from me on the sport of boxing of which i know alot about and you know nothing about.... i stopped reading your posts a long time ago because they contain nothing about boxing, every single one of them is "personal ridicule" of members on this site... your playground antics are boring just like yourself you pathetic little midget

mickey malone
01-25-2010, 12:25 PM
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QUOTE:GREATA
I think you are both right and wrong. Page fought Mark Wills two times and was stopped both times. Once after quitting on his stool due to cuts and the second time after being pole-axed with a big right hand haymaker. Page turned up in horrible shape and lost to a mediocre fighter at best.

In the first fight he clowned and was hit with an uppercut which made him bite his tongue. This led to him retiring on his stool.

My Reply - Well done GreatA; Priceless info as always..

Have to admit to never seeing the second fight which explains a lot really..
So i wonder why Sonnyboy never said it was the 6th round where Page was sent into orbit.. This despite having it 'right infront of him' beggars belief!

Here is my post replying to GreatA, proving that You have lied and I have not.. Yet you keep sending me this ****

Mickey it would have been easy to say "No ive not seen that fight".... But you never had the balls to do that because it would mean that you could then not have the final word in this discusion, so you resorted to dishonesty...

I'd say your argument's just washed up on the beach, wouldn't you?

sonnyboyx2
01-25-2010, 12:36 PM
i knew they had 2 fights i was unsure of which fight it was that Wills launched Page

Which is a blatant lie, and exactly what led to you making a complete fool of yourself in the first place..

its also very obvious that i have seen the fight otherwise i would never have mentioned
the punch.

You've seen the 2nd fight (1990) only, but you never knew about the 1st fight (1986).. I have already admitted to not knowing about the 1990 fight in my earlier post to GreatA.. The post that cleared all of this up, the post that you didn't reply to, because it was the post that exposed you as a lying fantacist..
The real truth is, you did exactly the same as me.. (fuk!... I never knew they had 2 fights!).. But NO, you were far too embroiled in your own smug superiority, to admit it..

I had already described the 1st fight fairly accurately from memory, only for you to make a false attempt to discredit me, by saying that you had 'caught me out' telling 'Porkies.' - Now why would you do that?
The answer is very simple.. You Didn't Know About The 1986 Fight!!!!
You then made yourself look a prize one cunt by coming out with this

the action ebbed and flowed throughout the first 8rds in the 9th round Page trudged forwards towards Wills..

This despite the fact, the fight was all over by the
6th Round.. But you shamelessly concluded the 9th by copying information from Wikipedea on the Wrong fight you clown..

Sonny, If you were not a liar, you would have said Wills Page I or Wills Page II right from the very start, but you did not.. So i'm afraid this irreversably, confirms you as not a particularly smart deceiver..
And laughably, you now have the nerve to come out with this..

so from now on you can never be taken seriously because you are dishonest, you are dishonest because you resort to telling lies to try to prove that you are correct... but i caught you out, and its there for everyone to see that i caught you out....

You've caught yourself out Sonnyboy.. Look, here's another outrageous lie that you came out with, after the clarifying post from GreatA..

i have both fights right in front of me in my collection.. i mentioned this fight in the hardest one-punch KO thread which i started a week or so ago..

No Sonnyboy, you have the 1990 fight only..

Anyway, here's my favourite Sonnyboy quote of all time

But never ever again Micky should you question my knowledge of the sport of boxing, i speak with honesty not dishonesty..

Priceless!

What are you going on about??.... i described the fight exactly as it happened... why do i not have or know about their 1st fight??
what has their 1st fight to do with Page being launched?....

the truth here is that you got caught telling lies...

nothing ive said is not true or correct... you are trying to dig yourself out of the hole you are in but you just keep getting deeper and deeper in the ****e.... you are even trying to tell me what fights i do and dont have in my collection which is bazaar...

i love playing with you Mickey because you are so predictable, it hurts you that i beat you time and time again....

has your bar been closed for refurbishments recently?

mickey malone
01-25-2010, 01:56 PM
the action ebbed and flowed throughout the first 8rds in the 9th round Page trudged forwards towards Wills..

i described the fight exactly as it happened...

Clearly you did not, as there were no 8th and 9th rounds..
I described the 1986 fight as ending in the 9th, which it did.. I also said it was not a KO, which is true.. Page retired in his corner due to cuts.. But of course, you didn't know that did you?... If you did know that, you would have immediately corrected me on the round, or perhaps even told me that i may be referring to the wrong fight, but you didn't, GreatA did.. And the reason you didn't is because you don't know what the fuk you're on about..

sonnyboyx2
01-26-2010, 01:02 AM
the action ebbed and flowed throughout the first 8rds in the 9th round Page trudged forwards towards Wills..

i described the fight exactly as it happened...

Clearly you did not, as there were no 8th and 9th rounds..
I described the 1986 fight as ending in the 9th, which it did.. I also said it was not a KO, which is true.. Page retired in his corner due to cuts.. But of course, you didn't know that did you?... If you did know that, you would have immediately corrected me on the round, or perhaps even told me that i may be referring to the wrong fight, but you didn't, GreatA did.. And the reason you didn't is because you don't know what the fuk you're on about..

so because you get corrected by someone (GreatA) you are right and i am wrong eh..... dont make me ****ing laugh you clown.. talk about jumping ship.
i bet you dont know what colour skin Mark Wills is,
i know that you are a youtube dog who has never seen many fights and that you google for your info... well i will catch you out over and over again my friend... i will expose you for the fraud that you are very easily... you cannot live with me on this sport and you know it.. now go away you horrible little pervert and go serve some of your sex tourist friends which is how you got over there in the first place

donkim
01-26-2010, 03:05 AM
I don't know what it is with you,malone.You seem intent on causing a scene in every post that you make.I have yet to actually see you create or develop a debate that wasn't heated.

You seem to take it personally when somebody disagrees with you and it seems to send you into some sort of frenzy.


You create threads in which you bring up personal information,that have absolutely nothing to do with the sport of boxing,and try to defame fellow users on this forum by creating lies.



Perhaps an open forum such as this isn't best suited for a personality such as your own.I'm sure poet could direct you to some far right wing forum where everybody has the same opinion and anything else is wrong.

mickey malone
01-26-2010, 06:20 AM
I don't know what it is with you,malone.You seem intent on causing a scene in every post that you make.I have yet to actually see you create or develop a debate that wasn't heated.

You seem to take it personally when somebody disagrees with you and it seems to send you into some sort of frenzy.


You create threads in which you bring up personal information,that have absolutely nothing to do with the sport of boxing,and try to defame fellow users on this forum by creating lies.



Perhaps an open forum such as this isn't best suited for a personality such as your own.I'm sure poet could direct you to some far right wing forum where everybody has the same opinion and anything else is wrong.
No one likes a battered wife.. Fuk Off!

sonnyboyx2
01-26-2010, 07:02 AM
No one likes a battered wife.. Fuk Off!

i bet you watched the fight at Jack Bodells after you watched Johansson vs London.... ha ha.. you can spin them pervert

mickey malone
01-26-2010, 07:59 AM
Oh dear, it appears you still have'nt grasped the situation..

Will's name was mentioned as an opponent while we were discussing Berbick Page which at the time, i was quite happy to agree that you had made some valid points..
We then went on to argue the toss about my positioning of Lewis & Tua during the 90's..
But as your ass started to get sore, and you suddenly, for no relevant reason you diverted the subject to: "Have you seen the fight between Wills and Page?"
To which I replied "Yeah", referring their 1986 encounter, which i thought was their only meeting.. Then you showed your 'true colours'..

Post 50 - Page 5

Greg Page had suffered a brutal KO by Mark Wills which i mentioned earlier... have you seen that fight?

Post 51 - page 6

Greg Page had suffered a brutal KO by Mark Wills which i mentioned earlier... have you seen that fight? Yeah

Post 52 - Page 6

Mickey... can you describe the ending of Wills vs Page for me please..........

Wills clowning, cuts Page and KD's him in the 9th.. Page refuses to come out for the 10th, and retires on his stool.. Hardly a devastating KO; Page was just outta shape..


So, I answer you from memory, (fairly well too) and you set about me with incorrect information.. Here's some of the lies you've told, on this thread alone..

1. Tua never ever wanted a return with John Ruiz - Post 40 Page 4

2. Tommy had just been hammered in 1rd by Michael Bent and was suffering HIV
Post 57 Page 6

3. i don't need to use Google or Boxrec - Post 59 Page 6

4. i have both fights right in front of me in my collection - Post 63 Page 7

And as for calling me a pervert; a fat northern mountain goat like yourself can only dream of pulling ya pisser over what i'm on everynight, so go sit in the cold and drink ya 3 quid a pint..

So why didn't you drop Great A a line, saying 'thanks mate, i didn't know that?'
Because your a smarmy fat cunt, that's why!

sonnyboyx2
01-26-2010, 08:08 AM
Oh dear, it appears you still have'nt grasped the situation..

Will's name was mentioned as an opponent while we were discussing Berbick Page which at the time, i was quite happy to agree that you had made some valid points..
We then went on to argue the toss about my positioning of Lewis & Tua during the 90's..
But as your ass started to get sore, and you suddenly, for no relevant reason you diverted the subject to: "Have you seen the fight between Wills and Page?"
To which I replied "Yeah", referring their 1986 encounter, which i thought was their only meeting.. Then you showed your 'true colours'..

Post 50 - Page 5

Greg Page had suffered a brutal KO by Mark Wills which i mentioned earlier... have you seen that fight?

Post 51 - page 6

Greg Page had suffered a brutal KO by Mark Wills which i mentioned earlier... have you seen that fight? Yeah

Post 52 - Page 6

Mickey... can you describe the ending of Wills vs Page for me please..........

Wills clowning, cuts Page and KD's him in the 9th.. Page refuses to come out for the 10th, and retires on his stool.. Hardly a devastating KO; Page was just outta shape..


So, I answer you from memory, (fairly well too) and you set about me with incorrect information.. Here's some of the lies you've told, on this thread alone..

1. Tua never ever wanted a return with John Ruiz - Post 40 Page 4

2. Tommy had just been hammered in 1rd by Michael Bent and was suffering HIV
Post 57 Page 6

3. i don't need to use Google or Boxrec - Post 59 Page 6

4. i have both fights right in front of me in my collection..

And as for calling me a pervert; a fat northern mountain goat like yourself can only dream of pulling ya pisser over what i'm on everynight, so go sit in the cold and drink ya 3 quid a pint..

So why didn't you drop Great A a line, saying 'thanks mate, i didn't know that?'
Because your a smarmy fat cunt, that's why!

i have been doing a little bit of Sherlock Holmes investigation`into you Malone.... and the sleazy ses-pit that you run over there in Thailand, i have spoken to those guys you mentioned from my area a few months back.. you went over to Thailand several times as a sex-tourist in the 90s and bought yourself a bar over there for 18,000.. you are a parasite you should be hung-up by the balls you twisted perverted little moron...and you say i am wanking over what you are doing every night... you are sadly mistaken, i happen to have a lovely wife and kids which i treat with respect unlike you who prays on the vulnerable and weak of society, you are a fukin monster who needs immediate arrest and imprisonment, you fukin horrible baskard

mickey malone
01-26-2010, 08:28 AM
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QUOTE:SONNYBOYX2:

i have both fights right in front of me in my collection.. i mentioned this fight in the hardest one-punch KO thread which i started a week or so ago.. if i had not seen the fight i would not have brought it up as being one of the single hardest punches ive seen... if it was their 1st fight thats cool, how i have described the punch it is just how it happened.. could you forget that punch if you had seen that fight.... No

Absolute bollocks... I'll give all of my points away to the first poster that finds this post.. You won't find it because the girl tells lies..

i have been doing a little bit of Sherlock Holmes investigation`into you Malone....

Sherlock Homo

the sleazy ses-pit that you run over there in Thailand

That's old news you slug.. I sold that gaff 2 months ago..

i happen to have a lovely wife and kids which i treat with respect unlike you

Mrs Slug & the half-breeds

sonnyboyx2
01-26-2010, 08:38 AM
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QUOTE:SONNYBOYX2:

i have both fights right in front of me in my collection.. i mentioned this fight in the hardest one-punch KO thread which i started a week or so ago.. if i had not seen the fight i would not have brought it up as being one of the single hardest punches ive seen... if it was their 1st fight thats cool, how i have described the punch it is just how it happened.. could you forget that punch if you had seen that fight.... No

Absolute bollocks... I'll give all of my points away to the first poster that finds this post.. You won't find it because the girl tells lies..

i have been doing a little bit of Sherlock Holmes investigation`into you Malone....

Sherlock Homo

the sleazy ses-pit that you run over there in Thailand

That's old news you slug.. I sold that gaff 2 months ago..

i happen to have a lovely wife and kids which i treat with respect unlike you

Mrs Slug & the half-breeds

you never sold it.. you fukin lost it to the slapper whose name you had it in.... you are a perverted little midget who preys on little kids and should be locked up behind bars for the rest of your life you horrible little baskard... you should have been ashamed to tell anyone where you lived, but no.. Molone the pedo liked to brag about it, trying to make out that respectful people like myself are jealous of his perverted way... i can imagine your fukin bar over there.. you sitting at the bar with your best friend Garry Glitter listening to your fav song on the juke-box "Do you wanna be in my gang" and a bunch of little starving kids hanging around, drugged and abused by you both.... you are the ugliest most horrible piece of ****e i have ever come across in my life Molone, you should be taken and crushed like a fukin ****roach, if i ever come into contact with you i will kick a fukin hole right threw you you horrible baskard... eat ****e and die you cunt

mickey malone
01-26-2010, 09:52 AM
you never sold it.. you fukin lost it to the slapper whose name you had it in.... you are a perverted little midget who preys on little kids and should be locked up behind bars for the rest of your life you horrible little baskard... you should have been ashamed to tell anyone where you lived, but no.. Molone the pedo liked to brag about it, trying to make out that respectful people like myself are jealous of his perverted way... i can imagine your fukin bar over there.. you sitting at the bar with your best friend Garry Glitter listening to your fav song on the juke-box "Do you wanna be in my gang" and a bunch of little starving kids hanging around, drugged and abused by you both.... you are the ugliest most horrible piece of ****e i have ever come across in my life Molone, you should be taken and crushed like a fukin ****roach, if i ever come into contact with you i will kick a fukin hole right threw you you horrible baskard... eat ****e and die you cunt
Baskard?.. Is that one of those gull type things, that you people eat?

Quite hissy and spiteful when you get owned, arn't you..

Oh, and should you ever come across me, make sure Mrs Slug has supplied you with an AK47 and some clean underwear..

sonnyboyx2
01-26-2010, 10:33 AM
Baskard?.. Is that one of those gull type things, that you people eat?

Quite hissy and spiteful when you get owned, arn't you..

Oh, and should you ever come across me, make sure Mrs Slug has supplied you with an AK47 and some clean underwear..

dont forget molone that you posted a picture of yourself on here a few months ago outside the sleazy joint you partisipated in... and your saying i need a AK47 to take care of you.... haaaaaaaa haaa laugh of the century..
a fukin backhander off me would spark you out, you are nothing but a monster who is on the way to spending your remaining years behind bars... you need to think of a new hobby so as to occupy yourself in your prison cell and winde away the hours.... you are a horrible vile little midget.... "Mickey Molone - The Beast of Thailand"

You had the gaul to come onto this forum and try to make out that you was a succesful business man in Thailand.. you are a pervert Molone, a filthy horrible pervert who needs put on the register of offenders... now die you horrible bastard

mickey malone
01-26-2010, 11:29 AM
dont forget molone that you posted a picture of yourself on here a few months ago outside the sleazy joint you partisipated in... and your saying i need a AK47 to take care of you.... haaaaaaaa haaa laugh of the century..
a fukin backhander off me would spark you out, you are nothing but a monster who is on the way to spending your remaining years behind bars... you need to think of a new hobby so as to occupy yourself in your prison cell and winde away the hours.... you are a horrible vile little midget.... "Mickey Molone - The Beast of Thailand"

You had the gaul to come onto this forum and try to make out that you was a succesful business man in Thailand.. you are a pervert Molone, a filthy horrible pervert who needs put on the register of offenders... now die you horrible bastard
Is that Lou Costello on your avatar?

sonnyboyx2
01-26-2010, 11:42 AM
Mickey Molone said : And as for calling me a pervert; a fat northern mountain goat like yourself can only dream of pulling ya pisser over what i'm on everynight, so go sit in the cold and drink ya 3 quid a pint..

Kids and ladyboys is your game Molone, you horrible Ugly bastard

Ziggy Stardust
01-26-2010, 11:47 AM
dont forget molone that you posted a picture of yourself on here a few months ago outside the sleazy joint you partisipated in... and your saying i need a AK47 to take care of you.... haaaaaaaa haaa laugh of the century..
a fukin backhander off me would spark you out, you are nothing but a monster who is on the way to spending your remaining years behind bars... you need to think of a new hobby so as to occupy yourself in your prison cell and winde away the hours.... you are a horrible vile little midget.... "Mickey Molone - The Beast of Thailand"

You had the gaul to come onto this forum and try to make out that you was a succesful business man in Thailand.. you are a pervert Molone, a filthy horrible pervert who needs put on the register of offenders... now die you horrible bastard

:haha: Someone's heading for a ban :rofl:

Poet

Ziggy Stardust
01-26-2010, 11:48 AM
No one likes a battered wife.. Fuk Off!

More like Boxing Scene's red-headed step-child :rofl:

Poet

Ziggy Stardust
01-26-2010, 11:51 AM
in my collection

You're always talking about your "collection": Of knives? You know, the ones you use to filet stray neighborhood critters while your knickers are around your ankles?

Poet

mickey malone
01-26-2010, 12:12 PM
Mickey Molone said : And as for calling me a pervert; a fat northern mountain goat like yourself can only dream of pulling ya pisser over what i'm on everynight, so go sit in the cold and drink ya 3 quid a pint..

Kids and ladyboys is your game Molone, you horrible Ugly bastard
Do you call people perverts every time you lose an argument?... Or is Mrs Slug not putting out at the moment?

This really is the most disturbing of tantrums, and it's becoming quite embarrassing..
It appears Poet's been well informed about this shock treatment you've been having..

Now bite on something hard, and submit your top ten lists, or is this something you are incapable of doing?

sonnyboyx2
01-26-2010, 01:03 PM
never will i discuss boxing or any other topic with a monster like what you are molone

sonnyboyx2
01-27-2010, 08:39 AM
Do you call people perverts every time you lose an argument?... Or is Mrs Slug not putting out at the moment?

This really is the most disturbing of tantrums, and it's becoming quite embarrassing..
It appears Poet's been well informed about this shock treatment you've been having..

Now bite on something hard, and submit your top ten lists, or is this something you are incapable of doing?

Molone the beast of Thailand.... you have been on line for the last 3hrs yet never addressed this topic, the reason being is you are wanting it out of the way and to die a death because i hit the nail on the head about you and exposed you for what you are which is a horrible monster who thought it clever to boast that he is a sex tourist in thailand.... you make me sick you rotten horrible piece of dog dirt

mickey malone
01-27-2010, 11:48 AM
Molone the beast of Thailand.... you have been on line for the last 3hrs yet never addressed this topic, the reason being is you are wanting it out of the way and to die a death because i hit the nail on the head about you and exposed you for what you are which is a horrible monster who thought it clever to boast that he is a sex tourist in thailand.... you make me sick you rotten horrible piece of dog dirt
On the contrary..

I'm just not a chidish vindictive fat fool, with disturbing flaws in his character & newly exposed mental health issues.. Sonnyboy, i've blown you out of the water mate, with facts vs your hideous exaggerations and out-right fukin lies!
I see you just made a prize cunt of yourself again by telling more lies on the Tiger vs LaMotta thread, claiming that you have Randy Turpin vs LaMotta in your collection of Marvel movies, and that Jake was a 5/1 underdog.. I bet you didn't even know that Turpin had a brother in the first place, you stupid great lump..

Oh, and as for this new thing of your's, referring to me as a monster and a pervert; an outrageous & sickening allegation, which could only me made up by 'Benny from Crossroads' and for which you deserve to have your jaw punched into your nazel cavity for.. So, b4 you start rappin on about once seeing a picture of me; that was with my shirt on & Underneath it, i'm like a steel cable, and there is every likelihood, i'd tear into your corpulent heap of lard like a chainsaw on nitrous fukin oxide..
You really must be the lowest and most itellectually challenged form of vermin, to have ever even considered posting such illegal slander about someone you have never met in your life before..

I'd also like to add, that most ex-pats who live out here, come to find the girl of their dreams, and in return, financially support their families, not to disgrace themselves like Gary Glitter.. Many of the other posters on here are fully aware that i'm in a long term relationship with a Thai lady who is 35 years of age, so you've embarrassed yourself beyond repair, and should be bitterly ashamed of yourself.. In fact I actually pity you, chubster

Also, just as an observation, it's a very well documented fact, that sex offenders like to harbor themselves in sleepy little sea-side towns, that arn't too big or too small, where they can mingle without being noticed, and if i'm not mistaken, you derive from Worthington-upon-sea, on the Cumbrian coast, which aptly fits within this criteria, so who's to say that someone can't write these things about you?

sonnyboyx2
01-27-2010, 12:33 PM
On the contrary..

I'm just not a chidish vindictive fat fool, with disturbing flaws in his character & newly exposed mental health issues.. Sonnyboy, i've blown you out of the water mate, with facts vs your hideous exaggerations and out-right fukin lies!
I see you just made a prize cunt of yourself again by telling more lies on the Tiger vs LaMotta thread, claiming that you have Randy Turpin vs LaMotta in your collection of Marvel movies, and that Jake was a 5/1 underdog.. I bet you didn't even know that Turpin had a brother in the first place, you stupid great lump..

Oh, and as for this new thing of your's, referring to me as a monster and a pervert; an outrageous & sickening allegation, which could only me made up by 'Benny from Crossroads' and for which you deserve to have your jaw punched into your nazel cavity for.. So, b4 you start rappin on about once seeing a picture of me; that was with my shirt on & Underneath it, i'm like a steel cable, and there is every likelihood, i'd tear into your corpulent heap of lard like a chainsaw on nitrous fukin oxide..
You really must be the lowest and most itellectually challenged form of vermin, to have ever even considered posting such illegal slander about someone you have never met in your life before..

I'd also like to add, that most ex-pats who live out here, come to find the girl of their dreams, and in return, financially support their families, not to disgrace themselves like Gary Glitter.. Many of the other posters on here are fully aware that i'm in a long term relationship with a Thai lady who is 35 years of age, so you've embarrassed yourself beyond repair, and should be bitterly ashamed of yourself.. In fact I actually pity you, chubster

Also, just as an observation, it's a very well documented fact, that sex offenders like to harbor themselves in sleepy little sea-side towns, that arn't too big or too small, where they can mingle without being noticed, and if i'm not mistaken, you derive from Worthington-upon-sea, on the Cumbrian coast, which aptly fits within this criteria, so who's to say that someone can't write these things about you?

The only reason you went to Thailand was as a sex tourist Molone.. you boasted about doing things i and others can only dream of which is the remark of a pervert.. your claim of looking for the woman of your dreams is laughable, you are a ugly bastard that cannot score a chick over here who speaks your own language, so you have hitched yourself up with a scrubber who has had half the U.S,Navy through her... as for you beating me in a fist-fight... any fukin time *******... it would only take me seconds to break your fukin legs you skinny cunt... i am the kind of guy who would even travel over to thailand just for the fun of beating you to a fukin pulp... as for my home town your miles off.. i live in the heart of the Lakes District, a place that holds no interest to monsters like you and Gary Glitter.. i have caught you out Molone for what you are which is the lowest of the low... the only place you are going is to a prison cell for a long long time...

i will post up some of your boastful comments so that other members can avoid you like the plague

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never will i discuss boxing or any other topic with a monster like what you are molone

That's why i walked away from it, but because GreatA twerped you on yet another thread, you had to revert to form as the big fat twisted prowler, all knarled up in his lifetime of failures..

And as for beating me to a pulp in a fist fight.. You'd fall over trying to get at me, and gut-rock yourself into a coma while suffering a massive heart attack..
You couldn't beat an egg!.. You're just a half-witted Pilsbury 'dough-boy' who wouldn't be able to whoop me at anything apart from a pie eating contest..
And besides; How would you be able to afford the air fair?.. It's clearly obvious you're in between 'farm-hand' jobs at the moment, or you wouldn't be on the computer all day.

So i'd suggest that you lay off the Kendal mint cake, and do something around the hovel to help the ever suffering Mrs Slug..

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never will i discuss boxing or any other topic with a monster like what you are molone

That's why i walked away from it, but because GreatA twerped you on yet another thread, you had to revert to form as the big fat twisted prowler, all knarled up in his lifetime of failures..

And as for beating me to a pulp in a fist fight.. You'd fall over trying to get at me, and gut-rock yourself into a coma while suffering a massive heart attack..
You couldn't beat an egg!.. You're just a half-witted Pilsbury 'dough-boy' who wouldn't be able to whoop me at anything apart from a pie eating contest..
And besides; How would you be able to afford the air fair?.. It's clearly obvious you're in between 'farm-hand' jobs at the moment, or you wouldn't be on the computer all day.

So i'd suggest that you lay off the Kendal mint cake, and do something around the hovel to help the ever suffering Mrs Slug..

what gives you the impression that i am fat and overweight molone?.... its obvious you have never been here in my part of the world.... as for finances, i could buy and sell you, i know all about your kind of lifestyle molone, travelling 3000 miles to a banana republic with 120* temperatures and paying for sleaze... you are the lowest of the low molone, you chill my blood just thinking about you... you are a filthy dirty lonely old man, i am and have everything you have ever wanted to be molone... a lovely home in a beautiful part of the world, a beautiful wife and family and want for nothing...Hotels for the night here in The Lakes are 120 PP upwards.. where you are you can get one for 3 with the company of a ladyboy... the difference between me and you molone is that i have principles & class, where as you have nothing, you are a predetor who sooner or later will be imprisoned for the vile crimes and lifestyle that you resort too... you horrible monsterous looking creep

mickey malone
01-27-2010, 05:26 PM
Not one fact there fatso..

Thailand's at least 6000 miles south of Causey Pike or Blencathra street in Keswick..
Beautiful part of the country, apart from the fact, you're there.. In fact, that big lump on the top of Causey Pike, is a bit like your Kebab gut..

This is the second time you've started a flame war with me... During the 1st epic, your whole argument totally centred around me being a fraud, and that i was unemployed, living with my mum, and had never actually even been to Thailand.. However, i blew you to kingdom come on that one, and now, you can't stop accusing me enough of being there, and resort to spewing filthy and blasphamous accusations like the typical part time sheep rearer you are..
It's exactly the same as all your other posts; everything solely based, on the world according to fatso, with no factual proof or a shred of evidence about anything, but you still persist in making yourself look a fool.. This is the second time i've wiped the floor with you and TBH, i'm begining to enjoy it now..
You're like a big fat cunt wedged in a phonebox, waiting for the fire brigade to cut him out of it, and i'm just standing there and repeatedly kicking your swollen butt while laughing uncontrollably..
If ever you were to come looking for me in Thailand, i'd have you served up as fishfood..

mickey malone
01-27-2010, 06:28 PM
i will post up some of your boastful comments so that other members can avoid you like the plague

So where are they then?

I can post up several of your lies in just 5 minutes..

1. Frank Bruno is 195lbs and heavily into drugs

2. I've got Jake LaMotta vs Randy Turpin in my film collection

3. La Motta was a 5/1 underdog vs Cerdan

4. Wills Page II... Ebbed and flowed in the 8th round

5. I have both Wills Page fights right here infront of me

6. Tua never wanted a return with Ruiz

7. Morrison was HIV when he fought Lewis

8. I don't need to look at Google or Boxrec

And here is your pathetic reasoning to GJC for persisting in your latest quest for self-ownage..

There is not much else in the history section to grasp my thoughts so ive stuck with this....

sonnyboyx2
01-28-2010, 12:48 AM
i will post up some of your boastful comments so that other members can avoid you like the plague

So where are they then?

I can post up several of your lies in just 5 minutes..

1. Frank Bruno is 195lbs and heavily into drugs

2. I've got Jake LaMotta vs Randy Turpin in my film collection

3. La Motta was a 5/1 underdog vs Cerdan

4. Wills Page II... Ebbed and flowed in the 8th round

5. I have both Wills Page fights right here infront of me

6. Tua never wanted a return with Ruiz

7. Morrison was HIV when he fought Lewis

8. I don't need to look at Google or Boxrec

And here is your pathetic reasoning to GJC for persisting in your latest quest for self-ownage..

There is not much else in the history section to grasp my thoughts so ive stuck with this....

all those comments are correct except the one you have "planted".. LaMotta vs Turpin.... nothing dubious about the others...

sonnyboyx2
01-28-2010, 12:50 AM
Molone the Paktai Pervert... you and your 35yr old girlfriend known as "The Gruesome Twosome"

JAB5239
01-28-2010, 12:55 AM
i will post up some of your boastful comments so that other members can avoid you like the plague

So where are they then?

I can post up several of your lies in just 5 minutes..

1. Frank Bruno is 195lbs and heavily into drugs

2. I've got Jake LaMotta vs Randy Turpin in my film collection

3. La Motta was a 5/1 underdog vs Cerdan

4. Wills Page II... Ebbed and flowed in the 8th round

5. I have both Wills Page fights right here infront of me

6. Tua never wanted a return with Ruiz

7. Morrison was HIV when he fought Lewis

8. I don't need to look at Google or Boxrec

And here is your pathetic reasoning to GJC for persisting in your latest quest for self-ownage..

There is not much else in the history section to grasp my thoughts so ive stuck with this....

all those comments are correct except the one you have "planted".. LaMotta vs Turpin.... nothing dubious about the others...

You guys are both good posters who happen to have contrasting views. Lets bury the hatchet and and save your venom for the trolls who are here for no other purpose but to instigate trouble.

Spartacus Sully
01-28-2010, 01:01 AM
Molone the Paktai Pervert... you and your 35yr old girlfriend known as "The Gruesome Twosome"

Awww sounds like some ones got a case of jealously. Now i know you wish you were in Thai land partaking in inappropriate activities to yours heart content but your some where in Europe and that just sucks....your not even in America i mean at least if you were in America you wouldn't be in Europe but your in Europe and that just sucks.

sonnyboyx2
01-28-2010, 02:20 AM
Awww sounds like some ones got a case of jealously. Now i know you wish you were in Thai land partaking in inappropriate activities to yours heart content but your some where in Europe and that just sucks....your not even in America i mean at least if you were in America you wouldn't be in Europe but your in Europe and that just sucks.

i agree with the America vs Europe piece.. but no jealousy here about Thailand.. if i wanted to have fun with pro`s then Edinbourgh is just an hours drive away

mickey malone
01-28-2010, 02:43 AM
You guys are both good posters who happen to have contrasting views. Lets bury the hatchet and and save your venom for the trolls who are here for no other purpose but to instigate trouble.
Just a wee bit of light-sparring in preperation for them..

donkim
01-28-2010, 04:06 AM
Just a wee bit of light-sparring in preperation for them..




You run away like a school girl at any sign of a confrontation,malone.You seem to be alot more confident and arrogant about yourself since the internet bully boy posters moved on.


Oh well,you still have poet and gabby to catch you bending over to pick up the soap.

mickey malone
01-28-2010, 08:07 AM
You run away like a school girl at any sign of a confrontation,malone.You seem to be alot more confident and arrogant about yourself since the internet bully boy posters moved on.


Oh well,you still have poet and gabby to catch you bending over to pick up the soap.
Oh, we were up early this morning! Giro arrive? or was it one of your regular visits to the Tourettes Foundation?

I hear congratulations are in order, and that your lover, the Slimey one, has fallen pregnant after conceiving another baby alt.. This would explain her mood changes and recent lack of activity, the poor luv..

Soon there'll be the pitter patter of tiny clubbed feet.. But being as you're probably incapable of fathering anything, while Slimeywitch works as a panting alt whore; the name will be adopted by your good self, and selecting another wierd name for a snivelling brat is something you've aspired particularly well to..

GJC
01-28-2010, 04:20 PM
You guys are both good posters who happen to have contrasting views. Lets bury the hatchet and and save your venom for the trolls who are here for no other purpose but to instigate trouble.

Agree totally, it was an interesting debate will degenerated into a slanging match with some terrible personal attacks made. Generally with a debate there is no right or wrong all we are doing is voicing our opinions. Ironically in the factual part of this you were both sort of right.
I would hate to see either of you get banned so please count to ten when getting hot under the collar and try and respect eachother and others views even if you don't agree with them.

donkim
01-28-2010, 10:40 PM
Go ahead and prove that Slimey Limey is an alt of mine malone.You've been spouting the same **** since last summer and you and your other cronies have still yet to bring forward any shred of evidence.



You don't have a back bone,malone.It's the very reason why you moved to south east asia to pick up a much younger woman who doesn't speak the same language as you.



The post was made at around nine o'clock in the morning.....hardly "early this morning"

mickey malone
01-29-2010, 12:32 AM
QUOTE;DONKIM/SLIMEYLIMEY

The post was made at around nine o'clock in the morning.....hardly "early this morning"

And this one was made at 5.40am, so you must have **** the bed.


You don't have a back bone,malone.It's the very reason why you moved to south east asia to pick up a much younger woman who doesn't speak the same language as you.

Ha Ha, Poking fun at someone who got off his ass, learned a new language and set up a business 6000 miles away..
I would say, 'Carry on dreaming', but you can't, and that's why you're up at the crack of dawn every morning, so that you and mrs slime can pay the mortgage..

Go ahead and prove that Slimey Limey is an alt of mine malone.You've been spouting the same **** since last summer and you and your other cronies have still yet to bring forward any shred of evidence.

And you go ahead and show me one shred of evidence, where i have backed down in an argument with 'bullyboy posters', as you call them..
The evidence that you are an alt, is being universally accepted as one, by everyone who you/slimey insult on a regular basis, the one's your jealous of, who all fully understand context, delivery and grammer..
I don't ever recall a debate, in which Slimey Limey engaged, Big Mac Foster, Princemanspoper, Donkim or any of those other weird names that you keep changing about as often your pants, and this of course, after being serially outwitted by all in sundry while on route 66 to yet another ban..

You're like a filleted fish, with two faces and no guts: a short character reference if you like, and it's always been you're own personal choice to expose yourself in this crude & obvious manner..

Yaman
01-30-2010, 12:33 PM
I don't ever recall a debate, in which Slimey Limey engaged, Big Mac Foster, Princemanspoper, Donkim or any of those other weird names that you keep changing about as often your pants

LOL haha sorry I just had to laugh at that. Classic.
Anyway:

1900's

Jim Jeffries
Bob Fitzsimmons
Jim Corbett
Joe Choynski
Peter Jackson
Tommy Burns
Marvin Hart
Jack Root
Jimmy Flynn
Jack O'Brien

1910's

Jack Johnson
Sam Langford
Joe Jeannette
Sam McVey
Jess Willard
Frank Moran
Jim Johnson
Harry Wills
Jeff Clark
Al Kaufman

1920's

Jack Dempsey
Gene Tunney
Harry Wills
Sam Langford
Tom Gibbons
Bill Brennan
Luis Angel Firpo
Young Stribling
Billy Miske
Tom Heeney

1930's

Joe Louis
Max Schmelling
Max Baer
Jack Sharkey
Jim Braddock
Primo Carnera
Tommy Farr
Bob Pastor
John Henry Lewis
Tony Galento

1940's

Joe Louis
Ezzard Charles
Joe Walcott
Billy Conn
Buddy Baer
Lou Nova
Abe Simon
Tony Musto
Nick Barone
Arturo Godoy

1950's

Rocky Marciano
Floyd Patterson
Joe Walcott
Ezzard Charles
Ingemar Johansson
Roland La Starza
Don ****ell
Tommy Jackson
Brian London
Joe Erskine

1960's

Muhammad Ali
Joe Frazier
Sonny Liston
Ernie Terrell
Jimmy Ellis
Gerry Quarry
Eddie Machen
Oscar Bonavena
Doug Jones
George Chuvalo

1970's

Muhammad Ali
George Foreman
Joe Frazier
Larry Holmes
Ken Norton
Ron Lyle
Jimmy Young
Ernie Shavers
Joe Bugner
Mac Foster

1980's

Mike Tyson
Larry Holmes
Tim Witherspoon
James Smith
Tony Tubbs
Tony Tucker
Pinklon Thomas
Greg Page
Frank Bruno
Gerry Cooney

1990's

Lennox Lewis
Evander Holyfield
Riddick Bowe
Mike Tyson
George Foreman
Ray Mercer
Michael Moorer
Tommy Morrison
Razor Ruddock
David Tua

2000's

Vitali Klitschko
Wladimar Klitschko
Lennox Lewis
John Ruiz
Lamon Brewster
Chris Byrd
Ruslan Chagaev
David Haye
Sam Peter
Nicolai Valuev



Interesting to note that you have Ali as the best in the 60s as well as the 70s. Certainly in the 60s is where he showed the most amazing performances(Although he did not face his hardest challenges compared to the 70s) and it's even more amazing how well he came back from the layoff and beat everybody else in the golden era. He's definitely my #1 HW of all time.

donkim
01-30-2010, 08:02 PM
Ha Ha, Poking fun at someone who got off his ass, learned a new language and set up a business 6000 miles away..
I would say, 'Carry on dreaming', but you can't, and that's why you're up at the crack of dawn every morning, so that you and mrs slime can pay the mortgage.




I'm not a middle aged Englishman like you Malone.I'm not unhappy and miserable enough to steal my parents money to fly off to some third world country where nobody knows who I am,just to marry some young asian girl(god knows what age you proposed to her at)



And you go ahead and show me one shred of evidence, where i have backed down in an argument with 'bullyboy posters', as you call them..
The evidence that you are an alt, is being universally accepted as one, by everyone who you/slimey insult on a regular basis, the one's your jealous of, who all fully understand context, delivery and grammer..
I don't ever recall a debate, in which Slimey Limey engaged, Big Mac Foster, Princemanspoper, Donkim or any of those other weird names that you keep changing about as often your pants, and this of course, after being serially outwitted by all in sundry while on route 66 to yet another ban.


:dunce:


back to school Malone.Perhaps you can attend the same school that your wife attends.


I started calling you out when you backed down on your own claims and opinions once the internet bully boy posters corrected you.You even made a thread apologising to one of them

sonnyboyx2
01-31-2010, 03:41 AM
I'm not a middle aged Englishman like you Malone.I'm not unhappy and miserable enough to steal my parents money to fly off to some third world country where nobody knows who I am,just to marry some young asian girl(god knows what age you proposed to her at)






:dunce:


back to school Malone.Perhaps you can attend the same school that your wife attends.


I started calling you out when you backed down on your own claims and opinions once the internet bully boy posters corrected you.You even made a thread apologising to one of them

its called sex tourism and molone likes to boast about it.. he is cut-up with jealousy of guys who are happily married with a family because he has never experienced this in his life.. like you say,`He has to rob his old mother and fly to the other side of the world to a banana republic and practice his evil trade.. but now he is back in the UK at his mothers having lost his sleazy little Cess-Pit bar over in Paktai, just like the rest of the fools who invest small amounts in those countries... molone is a wimp who could not score a woman in his own country even in a brothel with 20 hanging out of his fukin earhole

mickey malone
01-31-2010, 05:09 AM
Originally Posted by donkim
I'm not a middle aged Englishman like you Malone.I'm not unhappy and miserable enough to steal my parents money to fly off to some third world country where nobody knows who I am,just to marry some young asian girl(god knows what age you proposed to her at)

REPLIED TO BY SONNYBOYX2: its called sex tourism and molone likes to boast about it.. he is cut-up with jealousy of guys who are happily married with a family because he has never experienced this in his life.. like you say,`He has to rob his old mother and fly to the other side of the world to a banana republic and practice his evil trade.. but now he is back in the UK at his mothers having lost his sleazy little Cess-Pit bar over in Paktai, just like the rest of the fools who invest small amounts in those countries... molone is a wimp who could not score a woman in his own country even in a brothel with 20 hanging out of his fukin earhole

Great entertainment!... The liar and the hippocrite team up on the same post.. Well they do say that 'birds of a feather flock together', and this is a classic example.. Two of the saddest bafoons on the forum, taking solace from slushing around in the same pool of **** together..

Well, i'm still waiting for the pair of you insecure clowns to produce some form of evidence to back up at least one of your disgraceful allegations..
I've already exposed Scummyboy as a liar on several occasions, and the whole of the history section know's it..
And as for the other oxygen thief, 'what's his name', the proverbial turd in a public swimming baths; I'm of the instinctive impresson he may have been rejected at birth, and see's himself as the internets version of Peter Sellars in the Ealing comedies, playing the part of several clowns in the same role..

sonnyboyx2
01-31-2010, 05:33 AM
Originally Posted by donkim
I'm not a middle aged Englishman like you Malone.I'm not unhappy and miserable enough to steal my parents money to fly off to some third world country where nobody knows who I am,just to marry some young asian girl(god knows what age you proposed to her at)

REPLIED TO BY SONNYBOYX2: its called sex tourism and molone likes to boast about it.. he is cut-up with jealousy of guys who are happily married with a family because he has never experienced this in his life.. like you say,`He has to rob his old mother and fly to the other side of the world to a banana republic and practice his evil trade.. but now he is back in the UK at his mothers having lost his sleazy little Cess-Pit bar over in Paktai, just like the rest of the fools who invest small amounts in those countries... molone is a wimp who could not score a woman in his own country even in a brothel with 20 hanging out of his fukin earhole

Great entertainment!... The liar and the hippocrite team up on the same post.. Well they do say that 'birds of a feather flock together', and this is a classic example.. Two of the saddest bafoons on the forum, taking solace from slushing around in the same pool of **** together..

Well, i'm still waiting for the pair of you insecure clowns to produce some form of evidence to back up at least one of your disgraceful allegations..
I've already exposed Scummyboy as a liar on several occasions, and the whole of the history section know's it..
And as for the other oxygen thief, 'what's his name', the proverbial turd in a public swimming baths; I'm of the instinctive impresson he may have been rejected at birth, and see's himself as the internets version of Peter Sellars in the Ealing comedies, playing the part of several clowns in the same role..

molone said : And as for calling me a pervert; a fat northern mountain goat like yourself can only dream of pulling ya pisser over what i'm on everynight, so go sit in the cold and drink ya 3 quid a pint..

mickey molone and his friend Gary Glitter (poet) known as the gruesome twosome of Paktai Thailand

mickey malone
01-31-2010, 05:54 AM
molone said : And as for calling me a pervert; a fat northern mountain goat like yourself can only dream of pulling ya pisser over what i'm on everynight, so go sit in the cold and drink ya 3 quid a pint..

mickey molone and his friend Gary Glitter (poet) known as the gruesome twosome of Paktai Thailand
Which can only be taken in the one singular context, by a single-celled embryo such as yourself..
Poet too, is far more intellectually astute than yourself, and also has the gift of being able to work you into such a froth, that you end up questioning our sexuality..
Is this you're only line of defense?... Are you really that stupid? or is it just a public display of affection in your long lost quest to find a homosexual partner?

sonnyboyx2
01-31-2010, 06:05 AM
Which can only be taken in the one singular context, by a single-celled embryo such as yourself..
Poet too, is far more intellectually astute than yourself, and also has the gift of being able to work you into such a froth, that you end up questioning our sexuality..
Is this you're only line of defense?... Are you really that stupid? or is it just a public display of affection in your long lost quest to find a homosexual partner?

molone its you who boasted that you was a successful businessman over in Paktai Thailand... it was you who claimed everyone was jealous of what you was doing, it was you who claimed myself and others can only dream of the things you get up too...now you are telling us that you have a problem with your sexuality and that you think you are homosexual

sonnyboyx2
01-31-2010, 06:12 AM
molone... i am a very happily married man with a beautiful wife and family... i dont need nor do i want to engage in your vile kind of lifestyle, i am not homosexual like you claim, yet i now believe that you are homosexual which is why you travel to the otherside of the world so as to hide it from your parents... and when their you entertain ladyboys at a cost of around 17 per night... which is why you find it expensive to pay 3 per pint and claim i do so... each one of your replies about Thailand is letting us all into a little secrect about yourself because everyone is well aware that there is absolutely nothing in Thailand other than sex tourism which you indulge in, the question now is which kind is it that you indulge in?

mickey malone
01-31-2010, 07:39 AM
molone... i am a very happily married man with a beautiful wife and family... i dont need nor do i want to engage in your vile kind of lifestyle, i am not homosexual like you claim, yet i now believe that you are homosexual which is why you travel to the otherside of the world so as to hide it from your parents... and when their you entertain ladyboys at a cost of around 17 per night... which is why you find it expensive to pay 3 per pint and claim i do so... each one of your replies about Thailand is letting us all into a little secrect about yourself because everyone is well aware that there is absolutely nothing in Thailand other than sex tourism which you indulge in, the question now is which kind is it that you indulge in?
So you keep saying, but we only have your word for that, and taking into account you're proven track record of telling unfounded lies, it's difficult for anyone of sound mind to believe you.. Stumbling upon you're many untruth's is becoming a daily routine of embarrassment & is starting to reach epidemic proportions..
The odd slip-up can be forgiven, but going for a bigger nose than Pinnochio is totally unacceptable.. :liar:

Ziggy Stardust
01-31-2010, 10:17 AM
Which can only be taken in the one singular context, by a single-celled embryo such as yourself..
Poet too, is far more intellectually astute than yourself, and also has the gift of being able to work you into such a froth, that you end up questioning our sexuality..
Is this you're only line of defense?... Are you really that stupid? or is it just a public display of affection in your long lost quest to find a homosexual partner?

Got to love the way he screams my name in posts unrelated to me: A sure sign I've made him my biotch. I have no doubt that Sonnygirl, like the departed LondonRingRules, features me prominantly in his nightytime nightmares :D

Poet

Bright-Eyes
01-31-2010, 11:06 AM
Ok i'll start with 2 decades:

2000s
1-Wladimir Klitschko
2-Vitali Klitschko
3-Lennox Lewis(Lower because he didn't have many fights)
4-Chris Byrd
5-David Tua
6-Oleg Maskaev
7-Lamon Brewster
8-Hasim Rahman
9-Jameel McCline
10-John Ruiz





I know Ruiz isn't a popular guy....but McCline over Ruiz?


Why do you have Ruiz listed so low?

Yaman
01-31-2010, 11:21 AM
I guess I was falling back between accomplishments and head to head matchups while ranking them.
I should probably put Ruiz a bit higher but losing to 2 guys who came from lower weight classes is pretty bad.
Other than that I guess he did beat a past prime Holyfield and Golota, Oquendo and others. He was fortunate to keep getting those title shots in with those many crappy belts.

sonnyboyx2
02-01-2010, 03:31 AM
So you keep saying, but we only have your word for that, and taking into account you're proven track record of telling unfounded lies, it's difficult for anyone of sound mind to believe you.. Stumbling upon you're many untruth's is becoming a daily routine of embarrassment & is starting to reach epidemic proportions..
The odd slip-up can be forgiven, but going for a bigger nose than Pinnochio is totally unacceptable.. :liar:

molone... you have my number so ring me and i will put my Mrs on......:*******:

mickey malone
02-01-2010, 04:04 AM
molone... you have my number so ring me and i will put my Mrs on......:*******:
I don't doubt you are married, but then so was Peter Sutcliffe..

donkim
02-02-2010, 01:16 AM
Got to love the way he screams my name in posts unrelated to me: A sure sign I've made him my biotch. I have no doubt that Sonnygirl, like the departed LondonRingRules, features me prominantly in his nightytime nightmares :D

Poet




You mean like you always do? Grow a pair and go join a gym fatboy.








Well, i'm still waiting for the pair of you insecure clowns to produce some form of evidence to back up at least one of your disgraceful allegations..



Why does a middle aged man move out to a third world country? There are many countries to open up business,to enjoy a warmer climate.....why move to a country notorious for it's sex trafficking?


I'm not throwing around accusations,I'm just asking questions.

mickey malone
02-02-2010, 03:49 AM
Quote: Donkim;
Why does a middle aged man move out to a third world country? There are many countries to open up business,to enjoy a warmer climate.....why move to a country notorious for it's sex trafficking?

I'm not throwing around accusations,I'm just asking questions

To avoid: the extortionate cost of living, speed camera's, hoodies, Muslim fundamentalists, pikey's, paying inflated taxes, the recession, political correctness, bogus asylum seekers, queues, expensive pubs full of kids & Sonnyboy type bull****er's, and of course; bean stained fat birds in joggin bottoms everywhere you look..
While everyone in the UK and America have been paying for the Gulf War, I have been quietly contented in my own little 'tax-free' haven, aswell as earning a few sheckles along the way..
Another good reason to have gotten the fuk outta there, is that there are twice as many nonces floating about than there are here..
Unfortunately, the British nonces that make it into Thailand, are normally deported and given a 'soft' sentence by the 'public schoolboy' orientated judicial system that i'm ashamed to say, we have in our country.. If a Thai national does it, he gets executed..

Who wants to stay in a country where even the Prime Minister, gets up and walks out?

sonnyboyx2
02-02-2010, 04:56 AM
Quote: Donkim;
Why does a middle aged man move out to a third world country? There are many countries to open up business,to enjoy a warmer climate.....why move to a country notorious for it's sex trafficking?

I'm not throwing around accusations,I'm just asking questions

To avoid: the extortionate cost of living, speed camera's, hoodies, Muslim fundamentalists, pikey's, paying inflated taxes, the recession, political correctness, bogus asylum seekers, queues, expensive pubs full of kids & Sonnyboy type bull****er's, and of course; bean stained fat birds in joggin bottoms everywhere you look..
While everyone in the UK and America have been paying for the Gulf War, I have been quietly contented in my own little 'tax-free' haven, aswell as earning a few sheckles along the way..
Another good reason to have gotten the fuk outta there, is that there are twice as many nonces floating about than there are here..
Unfortunately, the British nonces that make it into Thailand, are normally deported and given a 'soft' sentence by the 'public schoolboy' orientated judicial system that i'm ashamed to say, we have in our country.. If a Thai national does it, he gets executed..

Who wants to stay in a country where even the Prime Minister, gets up and walks out?

typical bull****.. you are the biggest nonce in thailand, you live in a fantasy world, i was told at the weekend by your friends from whitehaven that Molly Molones Bar on walking streeet Pattaya Thailand is owned by a consortium who own several `irish bars` over there like Jamesons, O`Reillys, Dubliner etc etc.. yet you was trying to tell anyone who was stupid enough to listen that it belongs to you and that you are a succesful businessman.. that you live with your 35yr old Thai girlfriend... what a load of garbage you spew out molone.. what a life this 35yr old thai bird must have watching you on the PC 24/7.. and your claiming to be living the life of reilly over there... Its now obvious to all molone that you are a "Walter Mitty" character who lives in a fantasy world and that you are over there in thailand as a sex tourist (nonce) .... you chill my blood just thinking about you molone

Spartacus Sully
02-02-2010, 05:56 AM
you chill my blood just thinking about you molone

I can see it now.......

Thinking about all the inappropriate acts that you could be doing all the fun you could be engaged in over in Thai land the soapy and nuru massages oooooohh fun fun. then you start thinking about Malone and the jealousy kicks in as chills run down your spine right?

you are over there in thailand as a sex tourist

I bet you set up camp just typing that.

mickey malone
02-02-2010, 06:03 AM
typical bull****.. you are the biggest nonce in thailand, you live in a fantasy world, i was told at the weekend by your friends from whitehaven that Molly Molones Bar on walking streeet Pattaya Thailand is owned by a consortium who own several `irish bars` over there like Jamesons, O`Reillys, Dubliner etc etc.. yet you was trying to tell anyone who was stupid enough to listen that it belongs to you and that you are a succesful businessman.. that you live with your 35yr old Thai girlfriend... what a load of garbage you spew out molone.. what a life this 35yr old thai bird must have watching you on the PC 24/7.. and your claiming to be living the life of reilly over there... Its now obvious to all molone that you are a "Walter Mitty" character who lives in a fantasy world and that you are over there in thailand as a sex tourist (nonce) .... you chill my blood just thinking about you molone
My PC is on 24 hours a day.. I like that, because it gets you all worked up in a rage as i casually answer posts at whatever time i like.. It must be playing havoc with the times quoted in your 'stalkers scrap book.'

Besides, why are you so interested in my business?..
My details are openly advertised on the web, where as the only proof of your existence is the chubby fella on your avatar, and besides, it's common knowledge that the likes of Peter Sutcliffe, Fred West and Harold Shipman all claimed to be happily married men, just like yourself.. You really have no place whatsoever in this argument, so i'd suggest you do some swatting up on Fred Fulton, the 6'7" 210lb heavyweight, who you described as being very similar to yourself..

Spartacus Sully
02-02-2010, 06:10 AM
Fred Fulton, the 6'7" 210lb heavyweight, who you described as being very similar to yourself..

Delusional?

mickey malone
02-02-2010, 06:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mickey malone
Fred Fulton, the 6'7" 210lb heavyweight, who you described as being very similar to yourself..

Quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Shen
Delusional?


Quote:
Originally Posted by sonnyboyx2
Fred Fulton was in terrible physical shape most of his career having a big beer belly similar to Tony Galento... :spank:

sonnyboyx2
02-02-2010, 06:58 AM
I can see it now.......

Thinking about all the inappropriate acts that you could be doing all the fun you could be engaged in over in Thai land the soapy and nuru massages oooooohh fun fun. then you start thinking about Malone and the jealousy kicks in as chills run down your spine right?



I bet you set up camp just typing that.
Gary Glitter and under-age ...... need i say more

sonnyboyx2
02-02-2010, 07:09 AM
My PC is on 24 hours a day.. I like that, because it gets you all worked up in a rage as i casually answer posts at whatever time i like.. It must be playing havoc with the times quoted in your 'stalkers scrap book.'

Besides, why are you so interested in my business?..
My details are openly advertised on the web, where as the only proof of your existence is the chubby fella on your avatar, and besides, it's common knowledge that the likes of Peter Sutcliffe, Fred West and Harold Shipman all claimed to be happily married men, just like yourself.. You really have no place whatsoever in this argument, so i'd suggest you do some swatting up on Fred Fulton, the 6'7" 210lb heavyweight, who you described as being very similar to yourself..

Walter Mitty... thats you molone..
as for the old guy in my avatar well that happens to be "The Great Toronto Hard Rock"... but you wouldn`t know who that is because you dont know fuk all about this sport of boxing, as for Fred Fulton, when did i describe him as being very similar to myself?
i have exposed you as a fraud molone over and over again, i really enjoy it, i can read you like a book, you are easily `worked-out`... not a single mention from you about the imaginary bar you claimed to own that i exposed as being owned by a consortium.. you most proberbly worked there as a barman or a ladyboy or some other filthy dirty sleazy position... you are a predator molone the scum of the earth, ...My PC is on 24 hours a day..yes and so is your activity on this site going from one topic to another... you aint no successful businessman molone, your a Walter Mitty

mickey malone
02-02-2010, 07:54 AM
Quote: sonnyboyx2
as for Fred Fulton, when did i describe him as being very similar to myself?

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Fred Fulton was in terrible physical shape most of his career having a big beer belly similar to Tony Galento... Wills was knocked from pillar-to-post by Sharkey and in all honesty would have been murdered by Dempsey.. i cannot understand how some can rate Wills so highly.. Johnson was a tremendous physical speciman in his prime and a match for anyone in history as was Dempsey & Tunney

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02-02-2010, 08:02 AM
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as for Fred Fulton, when did i describe him as being very similar to myself?

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Fred Fulton was in terrible physical shape most of his career having a big beer belly similar to Tony Galento... Wills was knocked from pillar-to-post by Sharkey and in all honesty would have been murdered by Dempsey.. i cannot understand how some can rate Wills so highly.. Johnson was a tremendous physical speciman in his prime and a match for anyone in history as was Dempsey & Tunney :wank:

so once again molone you lied.. not a shred of evidence and completely wrong..Fred Fulton was in terrible physical shape most of his career yet in no way does he resemble me personally... you have never seen me molone to know what i look like or the shape i am in, yet i have seen you because you posted a picture of yourself on this site and you are a weazel, skinny ugly looking weed with hair combed over the top of your head from the side.. i would crush you like a ****ing ****roach molone within seconds.
you actually thought the picture in my avatar is me in person haaaaaaaa you clown

Spartacus Sully
02-02-2010, 08:14 AM
Gary Glitter and under-age ...... need i say more

bah, that was in vietnam

mickey malone
02-02-2010, 09:01 AM
so once again molone you lied.. not a shred of evidence and completely wrong..Fred Fulton was in terrible physical shape most of his career yet in no way does he resemble me personally... you have never seen me molone to know what i look like or the shape i am in, yet i have seen you because you posted a picture of yourself on this site and you are a weazel, skinny ugly looking weed with hair combed over the top of your head from the side.. i would crush you like a ****ing ****roach molone within seconds.
you actually thought the picture in my avatar is me in person haaaaaaaa you clown
Oh come on, it may not be the most complimentary picture of me, but thats nigh on a grade zero!

And as for me thinking that was you on your avatar; i said, it was the only proof of your existence, which it is..
People can view my website & view me in person, where as you have chosen a particularly good photograph of the ageing Chuvalo, which i must admit, did have me fooled..

Anyway, let's see these pictures of you at weight-watchers?... Don't be shy now..

sonnyboyx2
02-02-2010, 09:12 AM
Oh come on, it may not be the most complimentary picture of me, but thats nigh on a grade zero!

And as for me thinking that was you on your avatar; i said, it was the only proof of your existence, which it is..
People can view my website & view me in person, where as you have chosen a particularly good photograph of the ageing Chuvalo, which i must admit, did have me fooled..

Anyway, let's see these pictures of you at weight-watchers?... Don't be shy now..

come on then, lets see this website of yours that is free to view to the public

sonnyboyx2
02-02-2010, 09:34 AM
them scrubbers who you are pictured with outside that sleazy joint are not worth 20 a night..they are ugly dogs... and you think i am jealous of you because you can crawl & slavver all over scrubbers like them, you gotta be joking molone

you also said last week that you no longer work at that place claiming you have sold it...you will be back over here soon molone, the grass isn`t greener on the other side

sonnyboyx2
02-02-2010, 09:37 AM
i noticed you once again left me red K eh molone.... keep it up loser because its a clear sign i am hurting your feelings

mickey malone
02-02-2010, 11:10 AM
i noticed you once again left me red K eh molone.... keep it up loser because its a clear sign i am hurting your feelings
Everyone leaves you red K scummyboy, have you not noticed?

sonnyboyx2
02-02-2010, 11:58 AM
Everyone leaves you red K scummyboy, have you not noticed?

only you and gary glitter your bumchum

mickey malone
02-02-2010, 12:33 PM
only you and gary glitter your bumchum
Oh didums, was this after you sent me blue K for recognizing similarities between yourself and Peter Sutcliffe?..
Anyway, if you don't know already: blue K basicaly means that the person sending it, can be immediately identified as having zero credibility..

Ziggy Stardust
02-02-2010, 12:41 PM
Oh didums, was this after you sent me blue K for recognizing similarities between yourself and Peter Sutcliffe?..
Anyway, if you don't know already: blue K basicaly means that the person sending it, can be immediately identified as having zero credibility..

I can see some resembleses to Sutcliffe but I was thinking John Wayne Gacy was a better fit: I'm sure Ol' Sonnygirl has a clownsuit and a crawlspace :D

Poet

sonnyboyx2
02-02-2010, 12:46 PM
Oh didums, was this after you sent me blue K for recognizing similarities between yourself and Peter Sutcliffe?..
Anyway, if you don't know already: blue K basicaly means that the person sending it, can be immediately identified as having zero credibility..

credibility is meaningless to me...its all about having boxing knowledge of which i have plenty and you have none.. you are a google geek for your boxing info.. or maybe you get it in Jack Bodells bar.. ha ha

you seem to be spewing out some horrible characters names of late, i had to check google to see who they are and was not surprised for a single second finding out that they are all rapists... here is me idolizing Muhammad Ali and you mickey molone idolizing Jack the Ripper` what a twisted sad piece of ****e you are molone

mickey malone
02-02-2010, 10:39 PM
credibility is meaningless to me...its all about having boxing knowledge of which i have plenty and you have none.. you are a google geek for your boxing info.. or maybe you get it in Jack Bodells bar.. ha ha

you seem to be spewing out some horrible characters names of late, i had to check google to see who they are and was not surprised for a single second finding out that they are all rapists... here is me idolizing Muhammad Ali and you mickey molone idolizing Jack the Ripper` what a twisted sad piece of ****e you are molone
:nonono: I'm starting to get bored of you now, so let's take a look back to post 75 on page 8 where you started all of this: after you copied the wrong information from Wikipedea in a vain attempt to discredit me..
Due to this being on the subject of boxing, you ran out of lies and were proven wrong..
You then got bitterly upset, and resorted to making disgraceful allegations about my personal life, this inspite of the fact, that you do not know, or have never met me..

As always, here is the proof, right at the point where you lost an argument about boxing, so decided to call me a pervert..

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the action ebbed and flowed throughout the first 8rds in the 9th round Page trudged forwards towards Wills..

i described the fight exactly as it happened...

Clearly you did not, as there were no 8th and 9th rounds..
I described the 1986 fight as ending in the 9th, which it did.. I also said it was not a KO, which is true.. Page retired in his corner due to cuts.. But of course, you didn't know that did you?... If you did know that, you would have immediately corrected me on the round, or perhaps even told me that i may be referring to the wrong fight, but you didn't, GreatA did.. And the reason you didn't is because you don't know what the fuk you're on about..

so because you get corrected by someone (GreatA) you are right and i am wrong eh..... dont make me ****ing laugh you clown.. talk about jumping ship.
i bet you dont know what colour skin Mark Wills is,
i know that you are a youtube dog who has never seen many fights and that you google for your info... well i will catch you out over and over again my friend... i will expose you for the fraud that you are very easily... you cannot live with me on this sport and you know it.. now go away you horrible little pervert and go serve some of your sex tourist friends which is how you got over there in the first place
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And now, you're stumbling around Google, looking for references, as you get out-witted in the 'abuse' department too..
You really have got some fukin cheek!

I don't normally go to these lengths in-order to prove a point, but in you're case, i've made an exception..

sonnyboyx2
02-03-2010, 03:27 AM
:nonono: I'm starting to get bored of you now, so let's take a look back to post 75 on page 8 where you started all of this: after you copied the wrong information from Wikipedea in a vain attempt to discredit me..
Due to this being on the subject of boxing, you ran out of lies and were proven wrong..
You then got bitterly upset, and resorted to making disgraceful allegations about my personal life, this inspite of the fact, that you do not know, or have never met me..

As always, here is the proof, right at the point where you lost an argument about boxing, so decided to call me a pervert..

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Originally Posted by mickey malone
the action ebbed and flowed throughout the first 8rds in the 9th round Page trudged forwards towards Wills..

i described the fight exactly as it happened...

Clearly you did not, as there were no 8th and 9th rounds..
I described the 1986 fight as ending in the 9th, which it did.. I also said it was not a KO, which is true.. Page retired in his corner due to cuts.. But of course, you didn't know that did you?... If you did know that, you would have immediately corrected me on the round, or perhaps even told me that i may be referring to the wrong fight, but you didn't, GreatA did.. And the reason you didn't is because you don't know what the fuk you're on about..

so because you get corrected by someone (GreatA) you are right and i am wrong eh..... dont make me ****ing laugh you clown.. talk about jumping ship.
i bet you dont know what colour skin Mark Wills is,
i know that you are a youtube dog who has never seen many fights and that you google for your info... well i will catch you out over and over again my friend... i will expose you for the fraud that you are very easily... you cannot live with me on this sport and you know it.. now go away you horrible little pervert and go serve some of your sex tourist friends which is how you got over there in the first place
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And now, you're stumbling around Google, looking for references, as you get out-witted in the 'abuse' department too..
You really have got some fukin cheek!

I don't normally go to these lengths in-order to prove a point, but in you're case, i've made an exception..

no i got it spot-on malone, i described the fight to a tea, i described the big right-hand punch... it was you who was wrong and you cant admit it, but thats nothing to me coz you always get it wrong on boxing and you always resort to telling lies to squirm your way out of it, like you did when you claimed to have watched Ingo Johansson vs Brian London in Jack Bodells bar... what a fukin howler!

answer me: what color skin is mark wills - Black, Brown, White, yellow, mexican?

mickey malone
02-03-2010, 06:48 AM
no i got it spot-on malone, i described the fight to a tea, i described the big right-hand punch... it was you who was wrong and you cant admit it, but thats nothing to me coz you always get it wrong on boxing and you always resort to telling lies to squirm your way out of it, like you did when you claimed to have watched Ingo Johansson vs Brian London in Jack Bodells bar... what a fukin howler!

answer me: what color skin is mark wills - Black, Brown, White, yellow, mexican?
Wills is black, but besides, You're all done on this thread now..

All my proof is in the above post, and in your own writing too, so it's done and dusted.
Neither of us knew they'd had 2 fights, but sadly, only you were too arrogant to admit it, where as i just held my hands up.. I do have to laugh though, cos the real funny thing was; you were all excited about 'catching me out' while i was correctly answering your questions to what had happened in the fight that you knew nothing about..
It was a joint confusion of errors, but you just would'nt own up to your side of it..
Then, with **** all over you, you had the brass-neck to tell everyone "I have both fights right infront of me!!!" You are a blatant liar, and that's final..

So, until you can post, just one piece of evidence that proves i am either a liar or a pervert; i won't bother to reply..

sonnyboyx2
02-03-2010, 08:23 AM
Wills is black, but besides, You're all done on this thread now..

All my proof is in the above post, and in your own writing too, so it's done and dusted.
Neither of us knew they'd had 2 fights, but sadly, only you were too arrogant to admit it, where as i just held my hands up.. I do have to laugh though, cos the real funny thing was; you were all excited about 'catching me out' while i was correctly answering your questions to what had happened in the fight that you knew nothing about..
It was a joint confusion of errors, but you just would'nt own up to your side of it..
Then, with **** all over you, you had the brass-neck to tell everyone "I have both fights right infront of me!!!" You are a blatant liar, and that's final..

So, until you can post, just one piece of evidence that proves i am either a liar or a pervert; i won't bother to reply..

you know you are wrong malone.. you are trying to cover yourself because i caught you out, as for me not having both fights i even told you what color shorts they have on... 1st fight Wills blue, Page white (black stripe down side) - 2nd fight Wills white, page same as 1st fight... now i suggest you get in touch with your buddy GreatA to verify if i am lying... i caught you out malone and you know it, you are a fraud... and dont run away from this topic because i am enjoying it, i want you to keep posting and dig yourself deeper into the ****e i threw you in