Lets put all illuminati discussion in here. and lets use the rest of the forum for disscussing regular rap topics...that pertain to music, culture etc.

people are always on jayz...how about this video wu-tang had...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpPXWZWOv30

Do you really believe this symbols are Illuminati symbols?? would they be so stupid enough to put symbols everywhere? you muthafukers are just paranoid, the people at the top dont need a secret organization, they can do it without any problem, they're so powerful we cant do **** about it.

well those fit into the whole religion/illummboobii /mason stuff. im not even into this stuff. but some like talking about it, i made a thread for them.....so we dont have to make multiple threads of symbolism etc.

it could be pure coincidence, i believe there is a World Order, all people at the top are part of that ****, i don't know whether any ****in rapper holding over 50 million would be in it, all i know is that most filthy rich in this world are in it, the richest being at the Top, i also don't know about the filthy rich drug lords, would they be in it? maybe not.

im actually happy im not jayz fan anymore. its easier that way. you dont have to deal with defending whether he is or he is a mason/devi. lol

^^ are you serious?
you dont have to be a Jay fan, but you can be fan of his music, i enjoy his best work, the wordplay, flow, rhyme schemes, The Skill part of Hip-Hop, fuk the rest.

im not sure if im going to keep listening to him or not. i might. i went to see him in concert twice last year, it was alot of fun. but its annoying being a fan of his because u have to listen to illiuminati theories and fake beefs 7 days a week. im actually trying to sell some of my jayz dvds on ebay right now.

I think this guy has a great perspective on the jay-z devil thing. This guy is right, we need to focus on our own missions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E0p6HKoJBQ

this guy is the man, period.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BQlaQ36Z0c

im not sure if im going to keep listening to him or not. i might. i went to see him in concert twice last year, it was alot of fun. but its annoying being a fan of his because u have to listen to illiuminati theories and fake beefs 7 days a week. im actually trying to sell some of my jayz dvds on ebay right now.

wtf?
man you can listen to him once a month, why would you atop? the only reason i stop listening to an artists is if i'm tired of their ****, and months latter i would check their **** again. i guess if you don't feel him, anymore well **** it, there is plenty more out there you can listen to. now if your doing it because some people hate him, and call him a free mason well thats **** is pretty stupid, **** what everyone else says, decide for your own, i listen to Shawty Lo, people say "he the sucks balls", i listen to him for the music, not for his skillful wordplay.

this guy is the man, period.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BQlaQ36Z0c

Ras Kass already made that clear(in a way) in 1996, song "Nature of The Threat"

at 2:13

"December 25th, the birth of Saturn
A homosexual god, now check the historical pattern
December 25, now thought the birth of Christ
Was Saturnalia, when men got drunk,
fuked each other then beat their wife
Fact is, it was still practiced, til they called it Christmas
So put a gerbil on your Christmas list"

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Pay Homage to the Great Rassy

Christian Rapper going at Jay...

Not bad honestly...

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhPMZ8tfKo72U12mEC

I still don't think Jay worships the devil or anything like that.

Another thing worth pointing out is that in order to become a Mason you must believe in God.

wtf?
man you can listen to him once a month, why would you atop? the only reason i stop listening to an artists is if i'm tired of their ****, and months latter i would check their **** again. i guess if you don't feel him, anymore well **** it, there is plenty more out there you can listen to. now if your doing it because some people hate him, and call him a free mason well thats **** is pretty stupid, **** what everyone else says, decide for your own, i listen to Shawty Lo, people say "he the sucks balls", i listen to him for the music, not for his skillful wordplay.

lol. i dunno man. i might still listen to him. :D

at 3:00, on "Nature of The Threat"

"Spartacus Revolt, a slave rebellion that lost
Where 6,000 slaves was nailed on a cross
Cross? Aw, ****! Jesus Christ! Time for some-act-right
Christians get your facts right
Cause Christ was not his name
That's Greek for One who is anointed
Yoshua Ben Yosef was his name, do Christians know this?
So who do you praise, do you know his name?
Or do you do this in vain?
Accepting the religion they gave slaves to behave
Peep the description of historian Josephus
Short, dark, with an underdeveloped beard was Jesus
He had the Romans fearing revolution
The solution was to take him to court and falsely accuse him
After being murdered by Pilate how can it be
these same white Romans established Christianity"




This type of songs(all of them are like that) is the REASON why "Soul on Ice" got banned, Ras talked about subjects brainwashed people don't want to hear, **** people at the top don't want others to hear.

im actually happy im not jayz fan anymore. its easier that way. you dont have to deal with defending whether he is or he is a mason/devi. lol

How somebody can go from being a huge fan one day to saying you're "not a Jay Z fan anymore" the next makes me believe you must have never been a fan at all. I'm a massive RJJ fan and I didn't stop liking him when he got KO'd and got all the bad press.

It seems to me you liked Jay when it was cool to like Jay and now people are saying this **** you've jumped off the bandwagon.

I dont give a **** what he's into. All I personally want from him is good music and 9 times out of 10 thats what I get

How somebody can go from being a huge fan one day to saying you're "not a Jay Z fan anymore" the next makes me believe you must have never been a fan at all. I'm a massive RJJ fan and I didn't stop liking him when he got KO'd and got all the bad press.

It seems to me you liked Jay when it was cool to like Jay and now people are saying this **** you've jumped off the bandwagon.

I dont give a **** what he's into. All I personally want from him is good music and 9 times out of 10 thats what I get

well im not sold on the idea of not listening to his music anymore. i dont dislike jay. he seems like a nice guy from his interviews and makes great rap music. i guess i am still a fan in reality. i just dont want to argue with people over the illuminati/devil/mason stuff. :D

well im not sold on the idea of not listening to his music anymore. i dont dislike jay. he seems like a nice guy from his interviews and makes great rap music. i guess i am still a fan in reality. i just dont want to argue with people over the illuminati/devil/mason stuff. :D

One of my friends is obsessed with this kinda ****. If it's a conspiracy of any kind he believes it, especially this Illuminati/Freemason/New World Order ****. I just say he's paranoid.

I think its better to focus on god than focus on this stuff. i'm trying to read the bible for the first time in my life. i just started...its this program where you read a little a day and finish in year. i'm not a saint, dont get me wrong. but i want to have a better relationship with god than i have.

The truth about life is all is in vain because we are all going to die. Our purpose is to get to know God. The key is balancing these 2.

people are always on jayz...how about this video wu-tang had...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpPXWZWOv30

Wu tang is not relevant like Jay-Z is, and even when they were i was too young to understand any of that ****

DMX had some satanic lines early on in his career. but he has now turned to christianity....even though he doesnt follow many of the rules of the bible.

i dont use this lines against X because this was from a long time ago....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hcJdz0TFrM
DMX has problems, hes a manic depressive...no hes not perfect, but if hes got satanic lines from earlier in his career, but yet u say they dont matter...then why even bring them up? DMX is my favorite rapper and i do look up to him for the good things hes done, like when he saved a church...hes had people come up to him and say that he saved their life with this song or that song, and hes made alotta great music praising Jesus...but I dont think much of him smoking crack, acting like a fool, and the way hes got so many different kids with different women. Do u follow all the rules of the bible? :hmm:

Im not saying that your a bad person if u dont, i dont know anyone that does. As people, we are all imperfect. Thats why its stupid for me or you or anyone to get upset about our problems, I love the struggle...I have learned alot from it, I dont regret any problems that I have or any mistakes i have made. I love them, they successfully made me a more humble person. However, i am still young and I still got alot to learn.

I think its better to focus on god than focus on this stuff. i'm trying to read the bible for the first time in my life. i just started...its this program where you read a little a day and finish in year. i'm not a saint, dont get me wrong. but i want to have a better relationship with god than i have.

You gotta remember, not everyone loses sleep over this stuff and I do spend more time with God then I do researching the Illuminati/freemasonry/evil. I think its good to know some things about this but its not a good full time hobby unless if one is planning to write a book or make money somehow.

Do you really believe this symbols are Illuminati symbols?? would they be so stupid enough to put symbols everywhere? you muthafukers are just paranoid, the people at the top dont need a secret organization, they can do it without any problem, they're so powerful we cant do **** about it.

Why would it be stupid to put symbols everywhere..?

Its funny because they do put symbols out there, and people like you dont believe it and that is exactly what they want you to do..

They want you to think. "Why da fuk would they put symbols in the open"

That just gives you a reason not to believe its true, but people who are not dumb, deff, or blind really know the truth..

They need a secret organization because it started hundred of years ago, before america had millions of people. So why would they just decide to get rid of the organization.?

The Illuminati's ideas go all the way back to about 400 B.C. when a philosopher named Plato. He was far ahead of his time when he wrote the Republic. The idea of controlling or influencing a society through various ways (which nowadays, includes the media, music, movies, logo's, etc.) comes from Plato's republic.

The name "illuminati" means nothing to me, that might not even be the real name of the group...but I do believe there is some group that has intentions of a new world order. They have alotta money and power. Their plan is to control as much as they can...eventually it may become mandatory that everyone has a microchip injected into them. Some people like this idea, this way if your kid gets lost...all u gotta do is call the government and they'll get him back. But on the flipside, Big Brother is already getting too big...and they say cell phones are bad for our brains, theres gonna be all kinds of electronic signals if people have microchips in them.

And i once saw an experiment with a rat, where it had some kind of electronic device on its head. There was a couple people on the computer sending signals to the rats head, changing how the rat behaved. Supercomputers process information far faster then the human brain can, im not saying this is something that will definitely happen but its possible. For those who dont fully get what im saying, it might be possible for the government to control the way we think/behave by sending signals from supercomputers to microchips.

im sorry for seeming to act like im perfect. and i dont follow all the rules of the bible, i think i said in an earlier post that im no saint. no im not. lol far from it, and nobody is perfect, not even born again christians. I like DMX. earlier today i made alot of stupid posts that i regret out of overeacting.

Its okay Truth, on behalf of the poster that post here...we all forgive you. And I ask that anybody who i ever offended to forgive me. SisforShaq, I aint got no beef with you homie. The e-beef is squashed, I havent seen u on here lately and I hope im not at fault. I aint got nothin against you

thanks^ i really mean it too. i wish i never started so much trouble

im actually kinda scared because i dont turn from all sin...and i saw a documentary today that said if you dont turn from all sin...you go to hell. but i bought a bible today and im just going to do what i can do. right now i cant turn from all sin because i still like sinful music etc. but maybe someday ill be able to.

IMO
Reading the bible is POINTLESS..

Just a whole bunch of ***** man wrote down, second and 3rd hand facts, stories. etc..

Plus there is like 20 different bibles, i mean witch one is you going to read??

Waist of time, it will just make you more confused about life then needed..
IMO

thanks^ i really mean it too. i wish i never started so much trouble

im actually kinda scared because i dont turn from all sin...and i saw a documentary today that said if you dont turn from all sin...you go to hell. but i bought a bible today and im just going to do what i can do. right now i cant turn from all sin because i still like sinful music etc. but maybe someday ill be able to.

I don't know what your beliefs are...but I get paranoid about that kinda stuff, too. But I dunno, a lot of documentaries and **** you see on TV and read in books about religion/Christianity are all interpretations of the Bible, it's good you're gonna try to read the actual source so you can interpret it yourself, but even the Bible has been altered to an extent over the years, I'm guessing it has at least.

i bought the king james version. it has the old and new testaments in it.

not sure if thats good.lol

thanks^ i really mean it too. i wish i never started so much trouble

im actually kinda scared because i dont turn from all sin...and i saw a documentary today that said if you dont turn from all sin...you go to hell. but i bought a bible today and im just going to do what i can do. right now i cant turn from all sin because i still like sinful music etc. but maybe someday ill be able to.
Again, you already know but I believe u can sin and still go to heaven...hence the reason why no one is perfect. There i go with that hence **** again, but I would be cautious about trying to force something too...I tried that last year and I ended up really depressed, a weed head, in debt, drinking too much, and unmotivated. Now that i finally got all through that, Im gonna keep my faith in Jesus and let him change me when he wants too.

IMO
Reading the bible is POINTLESS..

Just a whole bunch of ***** man wrote down, second and 3rd hand facts, stories. etc..

Plus there is like 20 different bibles, i mean witch one is you going to read??

Waist of time, it will just make you more confused about life then needed..
IMO
Thats an interesting perspective, from what I understand the bible was written by men who felt the inspiration of God in them. God inspired them to put what they put in the bible.

But at the same time, many people who have claimed to be Christians have killed or had people killed...but if God was gonna have a bible made, he has the ability to go through men and have it made to perfection. Some people who dont believe in God or Jesus may think that sounds stupid...well if thats what u want to say, dont bother quoting me and telling me that because i already know. Know matter what you believe, theres always gonna be alotta people against you.

At the end of the day I put my faith in Jesus because I trust him. I dont trust religion or politics (which are in some ways the same thing). like i said before Jesus never said anything about following any religion, and whether people believe me or not I feel his presence in me. No its not my conscience, I can tell the difference.

Just wanna say that i dont believe theres anything wrong with being paranoid about this type of stuff, some people would strongly disagree but thats what built up my faith. There were alotta things that didnt make sense to me but as I looked into some of the things and found answers, that made my faith stronger. Some of the answers i didnt even have to look for, Jesus himself gave me the answers.

For a while I struggled with something that Prodigy said...

"**** the myths, science and numbers is how I live"

somethin like that...anyways, u can see science and numbers. Those are facts, but then I realized that I know Jesus is in my heart and I know he talks to me sometimes...that also became a fact to me.

Any adversity is a great thing in the long run, I have learned to love it. I welcome it with open arms because i know its only gonna make me stronger as a person in some way.

i should have bought the one with big font for 30. but i cheaped out and got a regular one for $7. smh@ me lol

i bought the king james version. it has the old and new testaments in it.

not sure if thats good.lol

That's what I have, too.

But I was just saying that it must have been altered and changed over the years, being translated from Hebrew to Latin to English etc. Some stuff must have been lost in translation or maybe even just lost. I don't even think the original document even exist anymore.

That's what I have, too.

But I was just saying that it must have been altered and change over the years, being translated from Hebrew to Latin to English etc. Some stuff must have been lost in translation or maybe even just lost. I don't even think the original documents are even in existence anymore.

yeah thats true.

Just wanna say that i dont believe theres anything wrong with being paranoid about this type of stuff, some people would strongly disagree but thats what built up my faith. There were alotta things that didnt make sense to me but as I looked into some of the things and found answers, that made my faith stronger. Some of the answers i didnt even have to look for, Jesus himself gave me the answers.

For a while I struggled with something that Prodigy said...

"**** the myths, science and numbers is how I live"

somethin like that...anyways, u can see science and numbers. Those are facts, but then I realized that I know Jesus is in my heart and I know he talks to me sometimes...that also became a fact to me.

Any adversity is a great thing in the long run, I have learned to love it. I welcome it with open arms because i know its only gonna make me stronger as a person in some way.

i think this stuff is interesting too. im glad i learned about it in retrospect.

At the 2:50 mark
Will I am says "for illuminati"

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Dont get me wrong, i do believe in God.
I just dont believe in Religion, i think God is whatever you make God to be inside yourself..

I dont think a book can tell me the truth, end of the day a book is written..

At the 2:50 mark
Will I am says "for illuminati"

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:luvbed:

Dont get me wrong, i do believe in God.
I just dont believe in Religion, i think God is whatever you make God to be inside yourself..

I dont think a book can tell me the truth, end of the day a book is written..
I dont blame u for not believing in religion, i might not agree with the rest but dont worry, i dont hate you...lol

that was a joke :hmm:

But anyways, I do believe that people who seek God from the heart will be led down the right path, the narrow path

I think its better to focus on god than focus on this stuff. i'm trying to read the bible for the first time in my life. i just started...its this program where you read a little a day and finish in year. i'm not a saint, dont get me wrong. but i want to have a better relationship with god than i have.

**** the bible, when you read that **** you are going to laugh they got some funny ass stories


**** following any religion, that **** is for the weak

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Will I am says "for illuminati"

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Lol, It makes me laugh how the people who are paranoid enough to believe this **** always manage to twist everything to go with wat they believe.

he doesn't say Illuminati at all. Believe whatever you wish but don't clutch at straws to prove your beliefs

im actually kinda scared because i dont turn from all sin...and i saw a documentary today that said if you dont turn from all sin...you go to hell. but i bought a bible today and im just going to do what i can do. right now i cant turn from all sin because i still like sinful music etc. but maybe someday ill be able to.[/QUOTE]


Are you for real. lol.. Religion is for the weak minded

And the Free Masons are just the followers of ancient Egyptian kingship rituals, the real conspiracy is the bible.