View Full Version : What went wrong with Ouma?


JAB5239
01-16-2010, 09:28 PM
First, pardon me for putting this in the history section. I just don't want it to get drowned out by all the Pac and Floyd threads on NSB.

What went wrong with the career of Kassim Ouma? This is a kid who had aq great story and looked to be on the fast track to stardom as an up and comer. After his loss to Karmazin his career started to fall apart though. What happened to this talented and intriguing fighter, and can he come back?

TheGreatA
01-16-2010, 09:29 PM
Maybe his life got too comfortable in Florida... compared to the hell he went through in Uganda.

JAB5239
01-16-2010, 09:55 PM
Maybe his life got too comfortable in Florida... compared to the hell he went through in Uganda.

Could be. I really thought this guy was going to make it big 5 or 6 years ago. Im happy his life is so much better than his childhood, but as a fan I feel we missed out.

Southpaw16BF
01-16-2010, 10:14 PM
Could be. I really thought this guy was going to make it big 5 or 6 years ago. Im happy his life is so much better than his childhood, but as a fan I feel we missed out.

Yeah Maybe Jab. But if he can win tonight, his career is right back on track, but it's a big ask to be honest!

cotto16
01-16-2010, 10:24 PM
Any one seen the documentry about his life?

JAB5239
01-17-2010, 12:16 AM
Any one seen the documentry about his life?

I haven't seen the documentary, only read about it.

mickey malone
01-17-2010, 02:12 AM
I never saw what everyone saw in Ouma.. I thought he was ok, but nothing special..
Admittedly, i've only watched him on a couple of occasions, and to me, he seemed to lack a second gear or plan B.. It's quite evident, he is'nt short of talent, so maybe the move to MW did'nt suit him, because he was'nt a particularly powerful LM, and the likes of Bundrage & Taylor (2 of his 6 defeats) were well seasoned middleweights..
Either that, or his heart just is'nt in it anymore..
I don't think he's won a meaningful fight in a few years now, so if he loses tonight, i'm afraid it'll be 'curtains' for him at top level..

P.WILL
01-17-2010, 02:13 AM
many believe he was robbed tonight

1SILVA
01-17-2010, 02:22 AM
First, pardon me for putting this in the history section. I just don't want it to get drowned out by all the Pac and Floyd threads on NSB.

What went wrong with the career of Kassim Ouma? This is a kid who had aq great story and looked to be on the fast track to stardom as an up and comer. After his loss to Karmazin his career started to fall apart though. What happened to this talented and intriguing fighter, and can he come back?

Just saw Ouma fight a spirited fight in losing to Vanes. Ouma took a horrific beating in his loss to Karmazin, and like many fighters who suffered such a beating, has never been the same. Just like you, Ouma was one of my favorite fighters in the early part of the millenium. Unfortunately, like Meldrick and Jermain taylor, Jeff Lacy, Felix Trinidad, and Tyrell Biggs, Ouma was never the same after suffering a one-sided beating. he is now just an opponent.

mickey malone
01-17-2010, 02:23 AM
many believe he was robbed tonight
No surprises there then.. Robberies seem to be 'commonplace' of late..
Not to mention Sergio Martinez of course..

JAB5239
01-17-2010, 02:28 AM
Just saw Ouma fight a spirited fight in losing to Vanes. Ouma took a horrific beating in his loss to Karmazin, and like many fighters who suffered such a beating, has never been the same. Just like you, Ouma was one of my favorite fighters in the early part of the millenium. Unfortunately, like Meldrick and Jermain taylor, Jeff Lacy, Felix Trinidad, and Tyrell Biggs, Ouma was never the same after suffering a one-sided beating. he is now just an opponent.

This makes a lot of sense to me combined with what TheGreatA said earlier. I though he won tonight, but he still didn't seem to have that fire he use to have.

-Hyperion-
01-17-2010, 02:40 AM
karamzin bombed him to past primeness.....but he was doing ok after that, beat sechew powells and rubios ass.....then taylor bombed him to shotness(it seems to me people dont remember the brutal shots taylor landed before he gassed....he was landing the type of shots that almost KO'ed Pavlik and bruised the **** out of winky even through his guard).......tonight he seemed to be ready to revive his career a bit, then bob arum robbed him.......

One more round
01-17-2010, 04:18 AM
He may still have something left, I just saw a bit of tonights fight, he looked alright and it seems he deserved the W, he might still be able to make some noise.

oldgringo
01-18-2010, 06:10 PM
Could be. I really thought this guy was going to make it big 5 or 6 years ago. Im happy his life is so much better than his childhood, but as a fan I feel we missed out.

I was absolutely with you here. I thought Ouma was going to be a somewhat dominant fighter for a long time in and around his weight class pre-Karmazin. The way he dismantled Kofi Jantuah was awesome. I know Jantuah was no world beater, but he was a dangerous puncher with devastating KOs of Santos and Rubio (brutal).

Ouma's work rate and ability to keep his hands moving (effectively) on the inside was the most impressive part of his repertoire. He showed flashes of his old arsenal against Vanes (the right hand leads specifically), but he just doesn't have it all anymore.

Strange fall from grace.

karamzin bombed him to past primeness.....but he was doing ok after that, beat sechew powells and rubios ass.....then taylor bombed him to shotness(it seems to me people dont remember the brutal shots taylor landed before he gassed....he was landing the type of shots that almost KO'ed Pavlik and bruised the **** out of winky even through his guard).......tonight he seemed to be ready to revive his career a bit, then bob arum robbed him.......

I remember talk of Ouma being quite sick going in to the RK fight. I never saw much follow up on it though. Even so, that doesn't explain his lackluster performances after that fight. I thought he looked pretty average against Rubio and Powell. JT fight was a complete mismatch.

phallus
01-18-2010, 11:46 PM
i'll never forget seeing him fight taylor, he looked too small but brave. when taylor would land a shot to to the dome it would send the sweat flying off ouma's braids. he had enough to back taylor into the corner's and rough him up a bit. swarmers like ouma usually have short careers though because of all the punishment they take.

Silencers
01-19-2010, 02:27 AM
I think it's part dedication, part age. I don't think his dedication has been the same since his loss to Taylor, in his losses since that fight he just didn't look like he had the fire and looked downright disinterested at times. The Martirosyan fight was the first time in a while where I saw some of the old flame back in him but that's where the age factor comes in, Ouma a few years ago wouldn't have faded the way he did against Martirosyan.

Calilloyd
01-19-2010, 09:05 PM
i'll never forget seeing him fight taylor, he looked too small but brave. when taylor would land a shot to to the dome it would send the sweat flying off ouma's braids. he had enough to back taylor into the corner's and rough him up a bit. swarmers like ouma usually have short careers though because of all the punishment they take.



That is my theory as well. I think Juan Diaz is headed in that direction also if he's not there already.