View Full Version : Should Hearns and Pacquiao both have been Disqualified?


HaglerSteelChin
01-16-2010, 10:44 AM
I know its very rare for a DQ on a title fight but should have Hearns been disqualified against Kinchen and Pacquiao against Hussein? In RD 4 for those two fights both Hearns and Pacquiao were both KD and immediately held on for dear life.

Hearns was on queer street and kept holding despite the referee Mills lane trying to seperate him. He refused to let go and was eventually deducted one point. But it was very intentional and he did it several times in RD4. I thought a bigger case could have been made for his DQ than Jones Jr in that infamous Montell Griffith fight. People think Hearns was robbed in the second SRL fight with the draw but few talk about the Kinchen fight. I scored the second SRL fight 113-112 for SRL. I thought SRL had atleast one 10-8 RD in RD 5 and maybe even RD12 could have been 10-8. But that fight is another story.

Pacquaio faced Nedal Hussein an austrailian fighter of arab descent trained by Jeff Fenech. In RD 4, Hussein dropped pac with a stiff jab that got pac for suprise. The fight took place in the philippines and was officiated
by Carlos Padilla a pinoy ref. After the KD, padila had a slow count and than Hussein immediately went for the kill but Pac gave him a bear hug and wouldnt let go. Hussein getting tired of Pac not breaking than elbowed him and Padilla than finally got him off and took a point away, LOL. Should pac have been DQ?


It seems only where there is a challenger who is cleary losing ala Tyson vs Fergusen will a ref give a DQ for excessive holding.

donkim
01-16-2010, 01:05 PM
That's right everybody,according to Mr.Genius here,Hearns should have been DQ'd for acting on pure instinct after being badly hurt.It doesn't matter that he didn't do so again throughout the fight,the fact that he did it once at such a desperate time means that we should all hold it against him.


Nobody talks about Hearns-Kinchen because James "the heat" Kinchen showed a lack of fire that cost him the fight.Despite the fact that Hearns never recovered from the fourth round,Kinchen's aggression was tame to say the least.Hearns was still the busier more consistent fighter throughout each round and while it was very close due to the knockdown and point deduction,it sure as hell was no robbery.



This is an all around poor thread from an all around poor poster.

HaglerSteelChin
01-16-2010, 01:40 PM
Sure enough the only respond comes from MRS TROLL Donna Kim. If you noticed MRS KIM i asked the question. But the announcers themselves raised the issue of DQ. It was blatant and against the rules. Hearns was done, he had no prayer if Mills lane seperates quickly. He did hold on many times through RD4. Roy Jones jr was DQ for hitting one blow when a guy was down, yet many refs never would have done the same. Hearns didn't do it once. He held on for a long duration while the ref was trying to seperate and tried to break them.

I also notice you made no comment on the pac fight- that was also part of the thread. You saw the 14 second count by Padilla? The fact that it was in the phils and Padilla is pinoy had nothing to do with his actions.

You rate me as a poor poster? But a poll up on the NSB Hagler Steel Chin vs DOnna Kim? WHo wins?

any craic lad?
01-16-2010, 01:47 PM
No way thats the only time clinching should be allowed when a fighter is clearly hurt when it should be penalised is when a fighter is continuesly tieing up throughout the fight to stop a fighters momentuem even though he isnt hurt eg mosley margarito berto collazo and froch dirrell

SplitSecond
01-16-2010, 01:51 PM
what are you on about? you have the right to hold on to dear life if your too hurt to fight back, it wouldn't be right if the opponent won on that lucky punch niether, because both pac and hearns ae clearly the better fighters

HaglerSteelChin
01-16-2010, 01:59 PM
what are you on about? you have the right to hold on to dear life if your too hurt to fight back, it wouldn't be right if the opponent won on that lucky punch niether, because both pac and hearns ae clearly the better fighters

There is a difference between clinching and excessive holding or not breaking when a ref states to break. Fighters must obey the commands of the refs. If he says break than you break and if you ignore him he is given the discretion to take points or DQ.

Mills lane was a good ref who simply didnt have the physicality ala a Richard Steele or Jay Nady who could have forced the seperation.

I raised the Question and didn't say both should be DQ. But have seen fighters get DQ for less.

BTW, at the time of Pac vs Hussein it wasen't clear who the better fighter was? Hussein was undefeated and Pac had two losses. The only clear thing was that Hussein was fighting in front of an opponent's home fans and a ref who shared his opponents ethnicity and language.

I personally don't think Pac should have been DQ but he should have had a point taken away instead of having Hussein having a point taken away since he needed to use elbow to seperate pac sine Padilla couldn't do his job.

Method Checker
01-16-2010, 02:00 PM
I don't agree with disqualifying someone for excessive holding. The maximum penalty should be deducting a point.

mickey malone
01-16-2010, 02:04 PM
It's always been the done thing for any trainer to educate his fighter to do..
Had it not been for holding, a lot of ATG's probably would'nt have been so great..
Boxing can be a desperate business when there's 10 million bucks riding on your next fight and you get twatted in the warm up..

The Noose
01-16-2010, 02:26 PM
Clinching a bit is one thing, but if the ref attempts to break them and they dont respond after repeated instructions, the ref has the right to stop the fight as a TKO, as in the Tyson - Ferguson fight.
A fighter who isnt responding or throwing punches can be rightfully seen as TKO'd.

I believe a hurt fighter does deserve a couple of chances, but if they grab and hold, not responding to the ref to break, they should have points taken away, as its unfair to the other fighter.

Immediate DQ is also unfair. The ref should give the hurt fighter a few chances to recover and continue fighting.
Early stoppages suck.

donkim
01-17-2010, 06:01 AM
You rate me as a poor poster? But a poll up on the NSB Hagler Steel Chin vs DOnna Kim? WHo wins?


"But a poll up"? This is far too much of a recurring theme to simply be a mistype.

Stop being such a moron and take your head out of your rectum.


Nobody cares about credibility on the internet but sad losers such as yourself.Nobody even knows who you are.


This is a stupid thread from a stupid poster who want's the acceptance of the internet bully boy posters.

HaglerSteelChin
01-17-2010, 12:00 PM
"But a poll up"? This is far too much of a recurring theme to simply be a mistype.

Stop being such a moron and take your head out of your rectum.


Nobody cares about credibility on the internet but sad losers such as yourself.Nobody even knows who you are.


This is a stupid thread from a stupid poster who want's the acceptance of the internet bully boy posters.

You can't have it both ways. You can't openly accuse someone in an open forum of being a worthless poster and not have any credibilty when 80% think you are the one who should leave. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and if you hate me that much why would you simply ignore me instead of calling me silly c*nt and throwing red at me? The poll was a way to give your argument "Worthless poster" some credibility. Unfortunately, it seems that alot of the community here dosen't think too highly of your negativity and trolling. You love to throw the word loser alot it seems some self projection. Name calling is childish in a forum but sure enough man to man, mano to mano, Donna Kim wouldn't do these things face to face.

Donna Kim is the classic cyber bully. Nothing else going on their life. Mrs Kim realizes that if he would translate his machismo in real life physical engagement his life would be terminated with extreme prejudice. Mrs Kim upon information and belief, due to viewing fights as Mancini vs Kim, Griffith vs Paret, Baer vs Campbell, and Robinson vs Doyle realizes that is better to sit in front of a PC to insult others instead of being a true man and doing it by face. Those were true warriors who unfortunately died in combat-something Mrs. Kim would never do.

How does it feel that 80% of the posters here what you to leave? Yet of course you will keep trolling.

donkim
01-17-2010, 12:18 PM
realizes that is better to sit in front of a PC to insult others instead of being a true man and doing it by face. Those were true warriors who unfortunately died in combat-something Mrs. Kim would never do.

How does it feel that 80% of the posters here what you to leave? Yet of course you will keep trolling.


You actually started an irrelevant thread in which you tried to gain the support of others because you yourself are an insecure little girl.The thread also has absolutely nothing to do with boxing

Doing it by face? You really an idiot.You don't insult others for no reason in real life,moron,unless it is done in light humor.This is the internet and unfortunately it attracts losers such as yourself who go crying to their mommy over some nasty guy on the internet.


You accuse others of being a cyber bully and yet you start mumbling on about a few fights in which one man lost their life,in which isn't relevant what so ever.You're the one acting like an internet tough guy,laddy.

Asking somebody who mocks you over the internet to do so in real life? Get a grip,lad.


People know what the internet is,and most take what others say over the internet with a grain of salt.It's users like you who think that the internet is real lie and something to get personally offended over.


Get that sand out of your vagina and take your head out of your rectum.

nelsoncm
01-17-2010, 12:27 PM
How about disqualifying anyone who:
1. Hugs without being knocked down;
2. Throws punches in return after being hit;
3. Reacts facially when hit with a hard punch?

Calilloyd
01-19-2010, 09:11 PM
I don't agree with disqualifying someone for excessive holding. The maximum penalty should be deducting a point.

Henry Akinwande was DQ'd for holding against Lennox Lewis by Mills Lane. And he deserved it.

Calilloyd
01-19-2010, 09:13 PM
I know its very rare for a DQ on a title fight but should have Hearns been disqualified against Kinchen and Pacquiao against Hussein? In RD 4 for those two fights both Hearns and Pacquiao were both KD and immediately held on for dear life.

Hearns was on queer street and kept holding despite the referee Mills lane trying to seperate him. He refused to let go and was eventually deducted one point. But it was very intentional and he did it several times in RD4. I thought a bigger case could have been made for his DQ than Jones Jr in that infamous Montell Griffith fight. People think Hearns was robbed in the second SRL fight with the draw but few talk about the Kinchen fight. I scored the second SRL fight 113-112 for SRL. I thought SRL had atleast one 10-8 RD in RD 5 and maybe even RD12 could have been 10-8. But that fight is another story.

Pacquaio faced Nedal Hussein an austrailian fighter of arab descent trained by Jeff Fenech. In RD 4, Hussein dropped pac with a stiff jab that got pac for suprise. The fight took place in the philippines and was officiated
by Carlos Padilla a pinoy ref. After the KD, padila had a slow count and than Hussein immediately went for the kill but Pac gave him a bear hug and wouldnt let go. Hussein getting tired of Pac not breaking than elbowed him and Padilla than finally got him off and took a point away, LOL. Should pac have been DQ?


It seems only where there is a challenger who is cleary losing ala Tyson vs Fergusen will a ref give a DQ for excessive holding.

I have heard some people say that Hearns could have been DQ'd but I didn't see the fight.