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EzzardFan
01-15-2010, 11:18 AM
I like to imagine what would have happened to Ali, if after he'd lost to Frazier he'd gone back to his old trainer Archie Moore and said "OK Archie my legs are gone, show me how to fight without getting hit so much."

Remember that Moore coached Foreman in his comeback and taught him how to use his patented cross arm block.

I like to think that if this had happened Ali could have exited without the brain damage. Thoughts?

T3dBundy
01-15-2010, 11:49 AM
i think in the earnie shavers fight, ali took more power punches than in all his title-fights in 60s together.
too many times he was staying lazy on the ropes in the 70s, i dont think archie moore could have helped him with this.
i still dont know why ali didnt allways fight like in 64 against liston, he just did everything perfect that night.
watch the fight of the century, ali was such an easy target that night.
and he was just 29, his legs werent gone, he was just not the same anymore for some reason, but he still beat anyone he faced in the 70s.
if ali would have fought against liston in 64 like against frazier in 71, he would have ended up like floyd patterson.
still, for me he has easily the best resume of all heavyweights.

Sugarj
01-15-2010, 12:04 PM
Post 71 Ali had his legs back to fine form come 1973 and 1974. Check out Norton 2 and Frazier 2. Even in Spinks 2 in 1978 Ali was dancing like a fighter much younger, though his punch accuracy wasn't what it was.

As for Archie Moore, do you really think he'd want to train the same guy who knocked him out in 1962? Who walked out on him as trainer before hand because he didn't want to do all the chores like sweeping the gym on top of training?

I do like the cross armed defense though, the only problem with Ali using it is that it can leave body exposed, particularly the left side. Ali, when rope a doping liked to have his elbows protecting his kidney area and his gloves protecting his face, he was always so concerned with his looks. Ali was always going to end up fighting off the ropes because 99% of the time his opponents were the aggressors and he was a fighter who scored well going back.

As for brain damage, frankly Ali in the 70s was still pretty good defensively, it was rare to see him ship huge bombs to the face repeatedly. I dont doubt that the Frazier left hooks in rounds five and six of the Thrilla in Manilla in 1975 and the right handers from Shavers in 1977 may well have contributed to his condition today. But the Berbick fight showed the greatest deterioration in Ali's speach from before and after the fight, he was 39 and overweight. One thing I truely believe is that Ali would end up with some boxing related condition anyway. He always would have fought on until he lost repeatedly. Hell, if he didn't pick up Parkinsons and hadn't lost to Holmes and Berbick I'll bet he'd have come back for Tyson as a 45 year old! Sadly he'd have likely retired with some form of brain damage whatever changes he might have made to his defense.

sonnyboyx2
01-15-2010, 01:13 PM
That is Rubbish about Shavers doing most damage to Ali... Joe Frazier damaged Ali in Manilla and he done it deliberately, Muhammad Ali also took a terrible beating from Larry Holmes... Arcgie Moore was not with Foreman when George made his comeback, Foremans brother was in his corner then Angelo Dundee came in once George upped his level of competition

T3dBundy
01-15-2010, 01:58 PM
That is Rubbish about Shavers doing most damage to Ali... Joe Frazier damaged Ali in Manilla and he done it deliberately, Muhammad Ali also took a terrible beating from Larry Holmes... Arcgie Moore was not with Foreman when George made his comeback, Foremans brother was in his corner then Angelo Dundee came in once George upped his level of competition

i dont think u watched the thrilla in manilla.
frazier is just taking the whole time, except the 1 or 2 rounds he won, he didnt do much damage.
ali was tired at the end, thats it.
he took way harder punches from foreman and shavers.
u r right with the holmes fight, it shouldnt have happened, but money talks i guess.
i wish tyson would have fought ali that night, at least tyson had enough power to finish an old ali in the first rounds, larry unfortunately didnt.

GJC
01-15-2010, 02:19 PM
... Joe Frazier damaged Ali in Manilla and he done it deliberately

Sonny all boxers try and damage the other guy deliberately as SRR said they are in the hurting business.

GJC
01-15-2010, 02:22 PM
i dont think u watched the thrilla in manilla.
frazier is just taking the whole time, except the 1 or 2 rounds he won, he didnt do much damage.
ali was tired at the end, thats it.
he took way harder punches from foreman and shavers.
u r right with the holmes fight, it shouldnt have happened, but money talks i guess.
i wish tyson would have fought ali that night, at least tyson had enough power to finish an old ali in the first rounds, larry unfortunately didnt.

Frazier did hurt Ali big time in Manilla.
Remember seeing something years ago by a brain surgeon and he said that the damage is done by the head being shaken from side to side. Frazier was not as big a hitter as Shavers and Foreman but it could be that the amount of punches he landed caused more damage. Also those body shots were murderous.
At the end of the day Ali went on too long he sadly liked the glory too much.

Method Checker
01-15-2010, 02:25 PM
Would've been interesting to see. But Ali didn't really have good technical defense. He relied more on reflexes. Plus, it was his ability to take punches that allowed him to beat fighters like Foreman.

T3dBundy
01-15-2010, 02:27 PM
Frazier did hurt Ali big time in Manilla.
Remember seeing something years ago by a brain surgeon and he said that the damage is done by the head being shaken from side to side. Frazier was not as big a hitter as Shavers and Foreman but it could be that the amount of punches he landed caused more damage. Also those body shots were murderous.
At the end of the day Ali went on too long he sadly liked the glory too much.

frazier was the one smelling salts to survive once more against ali, he didnt like the idea ali could have stopped him.
if ali retired after manilla, he wouldnt be that sick today, im pretty sure about that.

GJC
01-15-2010, 02:33 PM
frazier was the one smelling salts to survive once more against ali, he didnt like the idea ali could have stopped him.
if ali retired after manilla, he wouldnt be that sick today, im pretty sure about that.
They finished each other off that night in Manilla.

sonnyboyx2
01-15-2010, 03:13 PM
Frazier did hurt Ali big time in Manilla.
Remember seeing something years ago by a brain surgeon and he said that the damage is done by the head being shaken from side to side. Frazier was not as big a hitter as Shavers and Foreman but it could be that the amount of punches he landed caused more damage. Also those body shots were murderous.
At the end of the day Ali went on too long he sadly liked the glory too much.

Jeeez that made me laugh "Frazier not as big a hitter as Shavers & Foreman"... who did Shavers ever KO other than old Norton?
Muhammad Ali claimed Frazier hit him the hardest in his career... Larry Holmes in his book "Against the odds" claimed Frazier hit the hardest (Holmes was a sparring partner)... Jerry Quarry who fought both Shavers & Frazier said Frazier hit harder... i know it is claimed by some that Shavers was the hardest hitter ever... but who did he ever KO? his knock down of Holmes was not in the league as Renaldo Snipes knock down of Holmes or Mike Tyson knocking Holmes out.. Tex Cobb claimed Shavers hit the hardest but who else did Cobb ever fight ?

getting back to the subject, Frazier claimed in the book "Ghosts of Manilla" That he set out to damage Ali in that fight, he told Eddie Futch to NOT stop the fight days before fight-night, because he wanted to physically damage Muhammad Ali... when Ali walks into a room today that Frazier is in, Frazier always says, "see him, i done that to him" and grins

TheGreatA
01-15-2010, 03:39 PM
That is Rubbish about Shavers doing most damage to Ali... Joe Frazier damaged Ali in Manilla and he done it deliberately, Muhammad Ali also took a terrible beating from Larry Holmes... Arcgie Moore was not with Foreman when George made his comeback, Foremans brother was in his corner then Angelo Dundee came in once George upped his level of competition

Archie Moore helped train Foreman until Foreman fought Evander Holyfield.

http://books.google.com/books?id=BfQo7BwH1wsC&lpg=PP1&dq=archie%20moore&pg=PT249#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Jeeez that made me laugh "Frazier not as big a hitter as Shavers & Foreman"... who did Shavers ever KO other than old Norton?
Muhammad Ali claimed Frazier hit him the hardest in his career... Larry Holmes in his book "Against the odds" claimed Frazier hit the hardest (Holmes was a sparring partner)... Jerry Quarry who fought both Shavers & Frazier said Frazier hit harder... i know it is claimed by some that Shavers was the hardest hitter ever... but who did he ever KO? his knock down of Holmes was not in the league as Renaldo Snipes knock down of Holmes or Mike Tyson knocking Holmes out.. Tex Cobb claimed Shavers hit the hardest but who else did Cobb ever fight ?

Ali and Holmes both said Shavers was the biggest puncher they ever faced. Ali said Shavers was "much stronger" than Frazier.

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http://books.google.com/books?id=qn2n-lFDe0UC&lpg=PP1&dq=earnie%20shavers&pg=PT1#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Shavers dropped Holmes like a ton of bricks and it was certainly a much heavier knockdown than the one Snipes managed. Holmes was unconscious as he hit the floor.

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getting back to the subject, Frazier claimed in the book "Ghosts of Manilla" That he set out to damage Ali in that fight, he told Eddie Futch to NOT stop the fight days before fight-night, because he wanted to physically damage Muhammad Ali... when Ali walks into a room today that Frazier is in, Frazier always says, "see him, i done that to him" and grins

Which is why he nearly burst to tears when describing Ali's condition in the latest Ali documentary. We all know about Frazier's bitterness but there are two sides to it. He is not just some vengeful blood-thirsty maniac as you're describing him.

sonnyboyx2
01-15-2010, 03:44 PM
this is off a site that measured the punches power...

"I work at the Physical Research Center, and we test the PSI (Pounds per square Inch) in Many Boxers, and in terms of the hardest punch ever recorded is recorded by a Boxer named "Smokin" Joe Frazier in 1973, it was 2700 PSI, which is the equivalent to being hit with a small club, this was until Manny Pacquiao broke this record by a mile with a record shattering 3000 PSI Haymaker, equivalent to a heavy blow to the head with a hammer. If you need help finding a reasonable resource, Visit Scientists at Swansea University. We always do research on strength and human capacity of physical capability. We have a website www.swansea.ac.uk."

sonnyboyx2
01-15-2010, 03:49 PM
Archie Moore trained Foreman until Foreman fought Evander Holyfield.

http://books.google.com/books?id=BfQo7BwH1wsC&lpg=PP1&dq=archie%20moore&pg=PT249#v=onepage&q=&f=false



Ali and Holmes both said Shavers was the biggest puncher they ever faced. Ali said Shavers was "much stronger" than Frazier.

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http://books.google.com/books?id=qn2n-lFDe0UC&lpg=PP1&dq=earnie%20shavers&pg=PT1#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Shavers dropped Holmes like a ton of bricks and it was certainly a much heavier knockdown than the one Snipes managed. Holmes was unconscious as he hit the floor.

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Which is why he nearly burst to tears when describing Ali's condition in the latest Ali documentary. We all know about Frazier's bitterness but there are two sides to it. He is not just some vengeful blood-thirsty maniac as you're describing him.

ive never described him as some "vengeful blood-thirsty maniac" as you claim... those are the words of Thomas Hausser - Ali`s biographer as he told it on the recent CH4 Documentary about The Thriller in Mallia.... you should watch it

Method Checker
01-15-2010, 03:51 PM
this is off a site that measured the punches power...

"I work at the Physical Research Center, and we test the PSI (Pounds per square Inch) in Many Boxers, and in terms of the hardest punch ever recorded is recorded by a Boxer named "Smokin" Joe Frazier in 1973, it was 2700 PSI, which is the equivalent to being hit with a small club, this was until Manny Pacquiao broke this record by a mile with a record shattering 3000 PSI Haymaker, equivalent to a heavy blow to the head with a hammer. If you need help finding a reasonable resource, Visit Scientists at Swansea University. We always do research on strength and human capacity of physical capability. We have a website www.swansea.ac.uk."

Pacquiao punches harder than Frazier? Please..

TBear
01-15-2010, 04:00 PM
I think Ali would have been better off if he didn't come back and absorb the beatings from Holmes and Berbick as well.

TheGreatA
01-15-2010, 04:03 PM
ive never described him as some "vengeful blood-thirsty maniac" as you claim... those are the words of Thomas Hausser - Ali`s biographer as he told it on the recent CH4 Documentary about The Thriller in Mallia.... you should watch it

The Thrilla in Manila documentary was terribly biased and they did attempt to portray Frazier as exactly that. I'm sure he is not "proud" of causing Ali's illness, his bitterness simply gets the better of him at times. For the most part he has been nice to Ali in recent interviews, wishing him well and hoping his condition will improve. But it doesn't seem to be what people want to hear from him, especially the reporters.

Sugarj
01-15-2010, 04:12 PM
I've seen both sides of Frazier in different interviews over the years. He is at heart a God fearing family man, but Ali seriously aggravated him in the seventies, Frazier took it more seriously than he perhaps should have. I cant think of many other Ali opponents who see him the way Frazier does. Sometimes he speaks well of Ali, sometimes he is playful and sometimes he is shockingly bitter and is still harbouring resentment.

Calilloyd
01-15-2010, 04:54 PM
i dont think u watched the thrilla in manilla.
frazier is just taking the whole time, except the 1 or 2 rounds he won, he didnt do much damage.
ali was tired at the end, thats it.
he took way harder punches from foreman and shavers.
u r right with the holmes fight, it shouldnt have happened, but money talks i guess.
i wish tyson would have fought ali that night, at least tyson had enough power to finish an old ali in the first rounds, larry unfortunately didnt.

It was not just one fighter that did the damage to Ali. It was the accumulation of punches from sparring as well as boxing for 20 years professionally. But nobody can say "this is the fighter that made him this way" because there are too many factors to choose from. Ali stayed around too long and that is what mainly contributed to his declining health. If he retired after the Manilla fight I doubt he would be in the condition he is in today.

Calilloyd
01-15-2010, 04:58 PM
I've seen both sides of Frazier in different interviews over the years. He is at heart a God fearing family man, but Ali seriously aggravated him in the seventies, Frazier took it more seriously than he perhaps should have. I cant think of many other Ali opponents who see him the way Frazier does. Sometimes he speaks well of Ali, sometimes he is playful and sometimes he is shockingly bitter and is still harbouring resentment.

Frazier seems to have finally put it behind him even shedding a tear when speaking of Ali. He also seems to have been genuinely hurt by Ali's taunting. This is seen in the new documentary "facing Ali". I hope Frazier stays the way he was in the documentary

Calilloyd
01-15-2010, 05:08 PM
Jeeez that made me laugh "Frazier not as big a hitter as Shavers & Foreman"... who did Shavers ever KO other than old Norton?
Muhammad Ali claimed Frazier hit him the hardest in his career... Larry Holmes in his book "Against the odds" claimed Frazier hit the hardest (Holmes was a sparring partner)... Jerry Quarry who fought both Shavers & Frazier said Frazier hit harder... i know it is claimed by some that Shavers was the hardest hitter ever... but who did he ever KO? his knock down of Holmes was not in the league as Renaldo Snipes knock down of Holmes or Mike Tyson knocking Holmes out.. Tex Cobb claimed Shavers hit the hardest but who else did Cobb ever fight ?

getting back to the subject, Frazier claimed in the book "Ghosts of Manilla" That he set out to damage Ali in that fight, he told Eddie Futch to NOT stop the fight days before fight-night, because he wanted to physically damage Muhammad Ali... when Ali walks into a room today that Frazier is in, Frazier always says, "see him, i done that to him" and grins

Shavers knocked out Jimmy Ellis with one punch: a right uppercut. He also knocked out Jimmy Young which was not easy to do., He also knocked Ron Lyle down twice and nearly had him out. Shavers was a devastating puncher with both hands. His problem was poor stamina. As far as what Quarry said, he really didn't get hit much my Shavers because he jumped right on Shavers. If Shavers teed off on Quarry the way Frazier did it would have been a short night. And Holmes was an old inactive fighter when he fought Tyson. That should not be used as an example.

GJC
01-15-2010, 05:13 PM
Jeeez that made me laugh "Frazier not as big a hitter as Shavers & Foreman"... who did Shavers ever KO other than old Norton?


Meant Frazier doesn't have the one punch KO of Foreman or Shavers by no means calling him feather fisted lol

Ziggy Stardust
01-15-2010, 05:26 PM
Jeeez that made me laugh "Frazier not as big a hitter as Shavers & Foreman"... who did Shavers ever KO other than old Norton?
Muhammad Ali claimed Frazier hit him the hardest in his career... Larry Holmes in his book "Against the odds" claimed Frazier hit the hardest (Holmes was a sparring partner)... Jerry Quarry who fought both Shavers & Frazier said Frazier hit harder... i know it is claimed by some that Shavers was the hardest hitter ever... but who did he ever KO? his knock down of Holmes was not in the league as Renaldo Snipes knock down of Holmes or Mike Tyson knocking Holmes out.. Tex Cobb claimed Shavers hit the hardest but who else did Cobb ever fight ?

getting back to the subject, Frazier claimed in the book "Ghosts of Manilla" That he set out to damage Ali in that fight, he told Eddie Futch to NOT stop the fight days before fight-night, because he wanted to physically damage Muhammad Ali... when Ali walks into a room today that Frazier is in, Frazier always says, "see him, i done that to him" and grins

How are those shock treaments working out for you? Too bad they don't have any psych meds for that BCS (Bitter Crackpot Syndrome) that you suffer from! Have a nice day! :)

Poet

sleazyfellow
01-15-2010, 08:05 PM
I seen that facing ali doc, Ali clearly wasnt the same fighter after his comeback and esp. after thrilla in manilla. Out of all his fights Joe Frazier is definetely one of the main factors of his Parkinsons syndrom.

I also find it funny that Leon Spinks talks about how Holmes beat a shell of a man......when Leon Spinks also beat that same shell AND lost a rematch.

NigelBenn
01-15-2010, 08:50 PM
lets not forget the needless gym wars that Ali had that added to his condition.

NigelBenn
01-15-2010, 08:55 PM
The Thrilla in Manila documentary was terribly biased and they did attempt to portray Frazier as exactly that. I'm sure he is not "proud" of causing Ali's illness, his bitterness simply gets the better of him at times. For the most part he has been nice to Ali in recent interviews, wishing him well and hoping his condition will improve. But it doesn't seem to be what people want to hear from him, especially the reporters.

I read a report in the Ring Online that stated he is not fully of remorse and only show's it when there is money to be gained. Something that was also claimed in th documentary.

Calilloyd
01-15-2010, 10:08 PM
I seen that facing ali doc, Ali clearly wasnt the same fighter after his comeback and esp. after thrilla in manilla. Out of all his fights Joe Frazier is definetely one of the main factors of his Parkinsons syndrom.

I also find it funny that Leon Spinks talks about how Holmes beat a shell of a man......when Leon Spinks also beat that same shell AND lost a rematch.



The difference is that Spinks didn't claim to beat the best Ali. Holmes on the other hand, wants full credit for beating the shell of Ali without factoring in that Ali was a shot fighter.

JAB5239
01-15-2010, 11:26 PM
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The difference is that Spinks didn't claim to beat the best Ali. Holmes on the other hand, wants full credit for beating the shell of Ali without factoring in that Ali was a shot fighter.

Gotta disagree Cali.

"It put me in a tricky situation. A no win situation, really. What would it prove if I beaqt a 38 year old Ali? Not much. People would do an about face on Muhhamad and say, well, that wasn't the real Ali.
And if I lost-as impossible as that seemed to me-it would be disastrous. It would negate and nullify all that I had accomplished. I told the press that if that happened I would quit the sport.
Yet what could I do?I believed Ali had no business fighting me. He was past his prime and, I sincerly believed, would be batting practice for me. I did not relish the idea of beating him up in public view."

-from Larry Holmes autobiography "Against the odds", page 153

sonnyboyx2
01-16-2010, 02:19 AM
Gotta disagree Cali.

"It put me in a tricky situation. A no win situation, really. What would it prove if I beaqt a 38 year old Ali? Not much. People would do an about face on Muhhamad and say, well, that wasn't the real Ali.
And if I lost-as impossible as that seemed to me-it would be disastrous. It would negate and nullify all that I had accomplished. I told the press that if that happened I would quit the sport.
Yet what could I do?I believed Ali had no business fighting me. He was past his prime and, I sincerly believed, would be batting practice for me. I did not relish the idea of beating him up in public view."

-from Larry Holmes autobiography "Against the odds", page 153

Jab... very true what Holmes said in his autobiography, i read that book years ago when it was first published i passed it on and never got it back (like all good boxing books).. maybe you could quote the page where Holmes says what Joe Frazier would have done with Tyson & Lewis

sonnyboyx2
01-16-2010, 02:25 AM
How are those shock treaments working out for you? Too bad they don't have any psych meds for that BCS (Bitter Crackpot Syndrome) that you suffer from! Have a nice day! :)

Poet

Once again the `Village-Idiot`has his ten-pennath on the subject and as always never nothing to do with the sport of boxing, just his typical `ridicule & name calling`like all the rest of his posts... Get a life you sad little midget and stop running up the stairs each time your daddy calls for you when he is hard.

JAB5239
01-16-2010, 03:19 AM
Jab... very true what Holmes said in his autobiography, i read that book years ago when it was first published i passed it on and never got it back (like all good boxing books).. maybe you could quote the page where Holmes says what Joe Frazier would have done with Tyson & Lewis

I just skimmed thru real quick but couldn't find the page where Holmes talks about Frazier, Tyson and Lewis. He doesn't have much of an affinity for Lewis though, that much is very clear. I'll look more later and see if I can find it.

donkim
01-16-2010, 04:03 AM
I've seen both sides of Frazier in different interviews over the years. He is at heart a God fearing family man, but Ali seriously aggravated him in the seventies, Frazier took it more seriously than he perhaps should have. I cant think of many other Ali opponents who see him the way Frazier does. Sometimes he speaks well of Ali, sometimes he is playful and sometimes he is shockingly bitter and is still harbouring resentment.


Frazier is bitter when it makes sense and he's forgiving when it makes sense.To people like myself who have followed Frazier's comments over the last ten years or so,it really is no surprise to see Frazier dedicate a great portion of an interview towards bashing Ali and just a month later allow himself to be pictured arm in arm with Ali at a basketball game.



I'd have alot more respect for Frazier if he wasn't such a sellout.I don't like Miss Marvis Hagler, but I can respect her bitterness as she's atleast
consistent with it.


God fearing men don't beat up on helpless women either.

mickey malone
01-16-2010, 11:21 AM
God fearing men don't beat up on helpless women either - donkim

Did this happen during your time as cleaning lady at Madison Square Garden?

Ziggy Stardust
01-16-2010, 11:43 AM
Once again the `Village-Idiot`has his ten-pennath on the subject and as always never nothing to do with the sport of boxing, just his typical `ridicule & name calling`like all the rest of his posts... Get a life you sad little midget and stop running up the stairs each time your daddy calls for you when he is hard.

Do your minders in the white coats know you've gotten unauthorized access to a computer again? What's made you such a bitter old crackpot Sonnyboy? Is it because the only lei you've ever gotten was when the hula girl in the airport put one around your neck? :rofl:

Poet

donkim
01-16-2010, 12:13 PM
Did this happen during your time as cleaning lady at Madison Square Garden?



I'm not an old crusty fart like you malone,so no.



http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/joefraziermug1.html



Former heavyweight champion Joe Frazier, 60, was arrested in February 2004 and charged with simple assault and reckless endangerment. According to Philadelphia cops, Smokin' Joe's victim was the 44-year-old mother of one of his sons.

mickey malone
01-16-2010, 12:19 PM
this is off a site that measured the punches power...

"I work at the Physical Research Center, and we test the PSI (Pounds per square Inch) in Many Boxers, and in terms of the hardest punch ever recorded is recorded by a Boxer named "Smokin" Joe Frazier in 1973, it was 2700 PSI, which is the equivalent to being hit with a small club, this was until Manny Pacquiao broke this record by a mile with a record shattering 3000 PSI Haymaker, equivalent to a heavy blow to the head with a hammer. If you need help finding a reasonable resource, Visit Scientists at Swansea University. We always do research on strength and human capacity of physical capability. We have a website www.swansea.ac.uk."
PSI?... Impact or 'shock' is measured in foot pounds (ft/lbs) and calculated by velocity (feet per second squared).. It'll all be in metric now, but this is how i remember it..
PSI = Pounds per square inch or 'Bar' which is the confined pressure of a gas or liquid within it's confinement (volume).. PSI is obtained by means of a pump..
I can't see how the power of a punch can be compared to a central heating system.. In fact, 2500 PSI is the normal working pressure of an injection moulding machine, that through hydraulics, reach clamping pressures in excess of 30 tons!.. I'll check out the site you've mentioned incase i've misconceived something here..

On a side note, it'd be interesting to see Frazier, Shavers etc hit one of those fairground punchballs where the bell rings if you score over 300 (one revolution of the large visual display dial) God knows how these machines were calibrated, but the harder you hit them, the more noise they made aswell as the dial went further round the clock..
Can remember, when the fair used to come to town, and all the local pissheads would come out the pub & fuk their hands up on it..