View Full Version : According To Emmanuel Steward, Pacquiao is greater than.......


TheStoneRoses
01-15-2010, 01:07 AM
IF Pacquiao is a Top 5 ATG, who is he higher than???

Muhammad Ali
Sugar Ray Robinson
Harry Greb
Henry Armstrong
Carlos Monzon
Joe Louis
Roberto Duran
Willie Pep
Benny Leonard etc etc

Who honestly thinks Pacquiao ranks above any of these fighters?????

TheStoneRoses
01-15-2010, 01:08 AM
So is Pacquiao greater than 5 of the fighters i mentioned????

CarlosG815
01-15-2010, 01:34 AM
lol, steward is never going to be able to live this statement down.

War Dinamita
01-15-2010, 01:35 AM
I said the same thing in another thread, but Manny fans think I'm trying to discredit everything good people say about Manny. :lame:

TheStoneRoses
01-15-2010, 02:42 AM
I said the same thing in another thread, but Manny fans think I'm trying to discredit everything good people say about Manny. :lame:
It's not about hating a fighter or trying to discredit him, its about trying to look at it objectively......Many Pacquiao fans on this site honestly believe he's better than Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson.....there was this guy who called into Horus's radio show yesterday, who's name was RobTC and he said that Pacquiao will knock Robinson out in 1 round and that Pacquiao would beat Muhammad Ali at a catchweight......and im not lying, download the show from Horus's talkshoe page, Pacquiao fans are delusional

sonnyboyx2
01-15-2010, 04:42 AM
Pacquiao is up there with

Muhammad Ali
Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong

Pacquiao is far better than the others on your list in terms of achievement

rene s
01-15-2010, 04:50 AM
It's not about hating a fighter or trying to discredit him, its about trying to look at it objectively......Many Pacquiao fans on this site honestly believe he's better than Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson.....there was this guy who called into Horus's radio show yesterday, who's name was RobTC and he said that Pacquiao will knock Robinson out in 1 round and that Pacquiao would beat Muhammad Ali at a catchweight......and im not lying, download the show from Horus's talkshoe page, Pacquiao fans are delusional
you are a dumb ******* like your coward idol

TheStoneRoses
01-15-2010, 05:20 AM
you are a dumb ******* like your coward idol
example of a typical Pacquiao fan ^^^^^

Who is my idol???? Mayweather is not my favourite boxer and never was...It hurts Pacquiao fans to hear the truth.....Pacquiao refused to take random blood tests in an age when athletes from every sport are being scrutinized.....Pacquiao is yet to face the best fighter in the world and will never be considered a Top 10 ATG unless he does....FACT

i want real Pacquiao fans to respond with a proper arguement instead of *****, butthurt, fraud, gayweather etc

JAB5239
01-15-2010, 06:15 AM
Pacquiao is up there with

Muhammad Ali
Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong

Pacquiao is far better than the others on your list in terms of achievement


Yes, but his achievements are in a watered down era of 4 paper titles and 17 weight classes. Pac is a fantastic fighter, but I hold fighters in higher regard who held the one and only title in their division and took on most or many of the best fighters in their division(s). Its only my opinion, but to me that is more impressive than what Pac has done.

The_Demon
01-15-2010, 07:34 AM
he was being serious,but im sure if he thought about it he would re-phrase that surely,he must know pacquioa isnt top 5

bojangles1987
01-15-2010, 08:31 AM
I think Pac is a little underrated historically here, but he is not top 15, let alone top 5. He does have tremendous talent and a style that gives him a shot against many of the best ever, but come on people have got to be realistic.

You can make a case for top 20, but that's it. Personally, when you factor in the different eras fighters fought in, weight classes, styles, and the fact very few people have seen all these fighters, I think all time rankings are impossible.

mickey malone
01-15-2010, 08:39 AM
It's a bit soon to be ranking him amongst history's greatest..
He has all the hallmarks of an ATG, but hell, I don't think he's turned 30 yet!
If, as & when he does a job on PBF, then yes, he'll be right up there, but say there's a shock in his next fight (they do happen you know) then quite a few people are going to end up with egg all over their faces.. Fighters should be ranked after they retire, but this is with the exception of Evander Holyfield because he never will..

tanibanana
01-16-2010, 01:35 AM
It's not about hating a fighter or trying to discredit him, its about trying to look at it objectively......Many Pacquiao fans on this site honestly believe he's better than Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson.....there was this guy who called into Horus's radio show yesterday, who's name was RobTC and he said that Pacquiao will knock Robinson out in 1 round and that Pacquiao would beat Muhammad Ali at a catchweight......and im not lying, download the show from Horus's talkshoe page, Pacquiao fans are delusional
Do not generalize, there are Pacquiao fans here who look at it as fair as possible..
What Steward said was his own opinion, like any of us have..
I for one believe he is not at top 5.. but hey I won't be surprise if experts would rank him inside of top-5, because I for one rank him very high.. but I prefer not to rate him yet since he's still active..

let me post what I posted in NSB..

I won't say any number where I feel Manny should belong.
I'll just post some facts, which I know most if not ALL
people here know, but prefer to neglect because of hate
rather than welcome it as fair as possible.....


List of "Fighters of the Decade":

1910s: Sam Langford
1920s: Benny Leonard
1930s: Henry Armstrong
1940s: Sugar Ray Robinson
1950s: Sugar Ray Robinson
1960s: Muhammad Ali
1970s: Roberto Duran
1980s: Ray Leonard
1990s: Roy Jones Jr
2000s: Manny Pacquiao


Multiple Awardee of "Figther of the Year":

Muhhamad Ali - 5
Joe Louis - 4
Manny Pacquiao - 3
Joe Frazier - 3
Evander Holyfield - 3
Sugar Ray Robinson - 2
Ezzard Charles - 2
Rocky Marciano - 2
Gene Tunney - 2
James Toney - 2
Harry Greb - 2
Dick Tiger - 2
Ingemar Johansson - 2
Floyd Mayweather - 2
Floyd Patterson - 2
Tommy Loughran - 2


List of Multiple Weight Division Champion:

Manny Pacquiao - 7
Oscar Dela Hoya - 6
Thomas Hearns - 5
Sugar Ray Leonard - 5
Floyd Mayweather - 5
Pernell Whitaker - 4
Roberto Duran - 4
Roy Jones Jr. - 4
Leo Gomez - 4

Okay, I know how great is SRR, Armstrong, Ali, Louis, Pep
don't lecture me with all their achievements and others..
but rather look at where is Pacquiao's name being grouped.
and please don't try to stir the blood issue, rational people
know this aint nothing but crap..

TheStoneRoses
01-16-2010, 01:58 AM
Do not generalize, there are Pacquiao fans here who look at it as fair as possible..
What Steward said was his own opinion, like any of us have..
I for one believe he is not at top 5.. but hey I won't be surprise if experts would rank him inside of top-5, because I for one rank him very high.. but I prefer not to rate him yet since he's still active..

let me post what I posted in NSB..



Okay, I know how great is SRR, Armstrong, Ali, Louis, Pep
don't lecture me with all their achievements and others..
but rather look at where is Pacquiao's name being grouped.
and please don't try to stir the blood issue, rational people
know this aint nothing but crap..
i didnt mean to generalise but let me ask you this.....how can pacquiao fans honestly bring up him being a 7 weight division champ when they are comparing him to fighters of the past????? there are 17 weight classes with 5, 6 belts in every division....and the ring belt he won against barrera isnt even legit....wtf is the ring belt??? WBO, WBA, WBC, IBF, IBO is more than enough without having the ring belt also.......this achievement is overrated

bklynboy
01-16-2010, 02:14 AM
you are a dumb ******* like your coward idol

That wasn't really necessary. No, you're right not ALL Pac fans are delusional. I'm a Pac fan, been so since his first Barrera fight, but I think that as of now he just might be TOP 20 and should he beat Clottey -- which I think he will -- and Mayweather -- and there's a good chance he will then and only then can we start talking about TOP 10 and TOP 5.

He is a phenomenal talent. He went from a wide-swinging brawler willing to get hit to a disciplined fighter with a great D. The man may yet be a TOP 5 fighter. But right now he's not. Let's see him clear out the welterweight division first.

tanibanana
01-16-2010, 02:25 AM
i didnt mean to generalise but let me ask you this.....how can pacquiao fans honestly bring up him being a 7 weight division champ when they are comparing him to fighters of the past????? there are 17 weight classes with 5, 6 belts in every division....and the ring belt he won against barrera isnt even legit....wtf is the ring belt??? WBO, WBA, WBC, IBF, IBO is more than enough without having the ring belt also.......this achievement is overrated
we share the same sentiment with the ever growing number of world titles.. but can you blame Pacquiao for acquiring that much of world titles.. when he did win some of those belts he did beat the best guys in that division.. okay Diaz is not.. but how about Hatton 140, 126 Barrera. etc.. my point is, IF there is only ONE belt at one division, most likely Pac have already won it.. since Pacman beat the top guy in the weight division.. Probably not that many, probobly that many, who knows? In that case you have a VERY SOLID argument, but unfortunately I was sharing a FACT.. For now I won't be arguing anyone where Pacquiao's legacy should stand since he is still active.. Who knows, Clottey might knock my hero out. If for most people won't call him a Top-5 ATG guy, i got no problem with it. Right now I am just satisfied calling him 2000's fighter of the decade & 3-time fighter of the year..