Whether you like ROy or not you have to agree that Tarver and especially Glen Johnson would not have beaten ROy Jones in his prime.

Roy should have never came back down from heavyweight. He shouldve stayed and retired after a couple more title defences.

The only way I would tell Roy to fight a few more is if he goes heavyweight.

Whether you like ROy or not you have to agree that Tarver and especially Glen Johnson would not have beaten ROy Jones in his prime.

Roy should have never came back down from heavyweight. He shouldve stayed and retired after a couple more title defences.

The only way I would tell Roy to fight a few more is if he goes heavyweight.


Why would we have to agree to something like that? If Roy hadn't "jumped" to heavyweight when Tarver was stalking him, he would have had to face Tarver. And he very well might have lost.

Why would we have to agree to something like that? If Roy hadn't "jumped" to heavyweight when Tarver was stalking him, he would have had to face Tarver. And he very well might have lost.

ok, tarver was a tougher opponent than ruiz was? is that you are implying?

no im not implying that im implying that he hasnt been the same after losing that weight. You cant walk around at 200 pounds and then drop to 175 for your fights and be a 100%

Maybe Roy could get away with that when he was young but not when he's hit this age. How many fights you have ages you too.

I dont get why you ROy haters who have the mind of ****in three year old babies have to disagree with everything before you even think.

no im not implying that im implying that he hasnt been the same after losing that weight. You cant walk around at 200 pounds and then drop to 175 for your fights and be a 100%

Maybe Roy could get away with that when he was young but not when he's hit this age. How many fights you have ages you too.

I dont get why you ROy haters who have the mind of ****in three year old babies have to disagree with everything before you even think.

I am not a roy hater, he is a great fighter, better than anyone who fought during his prime (up to 2003)
and i rate him p4p higher than anyone in the last 20 years

YOU have the reading ability of a ****ing 3yo, read who I am quoting in the post. do you read cleary23 somewhere on the quote line?

I always said that after the 2nd fight that roy was over bcos he lost weight and MOST IMPORTANT...bcos he is 35, which is not a good age for boxing if you have relied on your reflexes and your speed for your whole career.

I completely agree with you, and I will put more on the plate:
the fact that he was KOed by 2 fighters with a very different style, tells the truth:
no one figured him out, tarver and johnson both fought a shot fighter

Man I wasnt saying the three year old **** to you My bad if it looked like that it was directed to the other dude

Tarver WAS a tougher match-up than Ruiz.

So I'm not implying it. I'm saying it.

Ruiz's game plan was to punch and lean on Roy. When that plan didn't work because the ref kept breaking them up and Roy would duck out behind the ref, Ruiz had no shot. I don't think anyone thought Ruiz would beat Jones on points. He had to be able to catch him and hit him.

Tarver very well might have been Jones back then. Jones fans seem to have as many excuses as he does. Plus they seem to be name-callers.

Whether you like ROy or not you have to agree that Tarver and especially Glen Johnson would not have beaten ROy Jones in his prime.

Roy should have never came back down from heavyweight. He shouldve stayed and retired after a couple more title defences.

The only way I would tell Roy to fight a few more is if he goes heavyweight.

A heavyweight punch might have killed Roy last night. Roy got KO'd by a LIGHT heavyweight who WAS NOT A BIG PUNCHER.

Are you stupid?

He cant foight well at lightheavyweight ne more He can fight well at HW so he would be able to evade that punch at HW

He has one fight at heavyweight over a year ago. Since then, he has been knocked out twice. Are you saying if he had more weight to not be able to move from a punch all of a sudden he's better?

Are you stupid?

He cant foight well at lightheavyweight ne more He can fight well at HW so he would be able to evade that punch at HW
Bro do you want yer hero ROY Jawless Jr to get killed. Any heavy w/decent enough speed will kill that creampuff. Hell even the cruisers will beat his ass. I would bet my life that Big Truck or Davis would send ol Roy into a coma!
:o

Hahahaha You ****in Roy haters are annoying and relentless

Roy would not get kcokced at HW becasue nhe is too fast.

Crusiserweights??? Dont even mention that weight class

Its a ****in joke

Anyone understand the logic that a guy who can't take a 175-pound punch would do better with someone 200 lbs + throwing at him?

Becasue when ROy is at HW he fights like he did when he was in his prime at Middleweight

Are you stupid?

He cant foight well at lightheavyweight ne more He can fight well at HW so he would be able to evade that punch at HW Finally, good ole' Cleary rears his ugly head and still making the same ole' , well I'm just not gonna go there. By the way you should check out one of the post under the topic of "In memory of Roy" ....

i think rjj's career is over with this recent loss that he suffered! i don't think he would recover from the 2 knockout losses (the first one being with tarver)! call it quits, that's the wise decision he should do! at 35 years old, he doesn't have it anymore! and still, by retiring, his great career as a boxer won't be tainted by this 2 losses! that's just natural for great boxers like him to fade. even the great ones like ali, sugar ray leonard, and the rest had their share of an ending. roy jones should not be ashamed, he had showed the millions of boxing fans all over the world how great he was as a boxer! his name will still be talked about in the future, his colorful boxing career will long be remembered!

i have to agree with this...Johnson will be no matched for Roy Jones in his prime ...

i have to agree with this...Johnson will be no matched for Roy Jones in his prime ...

Yeah to bad he came 10 years later lol.

Of course Johnson or Tarver wouldn't have beat Jones at his very best but it was Jones who stuck around a little too long and he now will likely end his career on a bad note. I think the jump from heavyweight back down to 175 has made him old. I think his mind state would be too fragile now to think about going back up to heavyweight. Let's face it Johnson wasn't exactly lightning quick and I think a heavyweight with good speed can touch him. Jones also doesn't seem to want to move around much and against a heavyweight that is not a good thing.

ok, tarver was a tougher opponent than ruiz was? is that you are implying?

Much tougher, He just danced around ruiz, he couldn't get away from Tarver.

Much tougher, He just danced around ruiz, he couldn't get away from Tarver.
Aren't Lt.Heavyweights naturally faster than Heavyweights?

Aren't Lt.Heavyweights naturally faster than Heavyweights?

Ruiz is also a horrible boxer, and for some reason he decided to box RJJ.

Ruiz is also a horrible boxer, and for some reason he decided to box RJJ.
lol I didn't know that.
I never saw that match.
I tend to avoid anything with RJJ and Ruiz.
So that was just double trouble.

Aren't Lt.Heavyweights naturally faster than Heavyweights?

yes,
i was responding to the question was Ruiz a tougher oppenent then Tarver.

Whether you like ROy or not you have to agree that Tarver and especially Glen Johnson would not have beaten ROy Jones in his prime.

Roy should have never came back down from heavyweight. He shouldve stayed and retired after a couple more title defences.

The only way I would tell Roy to fight a few more is if he goes heavyweight.

hell no tarver wouldnt win a round against roy in his prime and no he shouldnt go to heavyweight cuz he doesnt got tha motivation
roy jones could've fought better last nite
he always went straight to tha raps and leaned back when he could've moved off of them
he just dont got tha motivation to fight ne more
his careers OVER!

Man I wasnt saying the three year old **** to you My bad if it looked like that it was directed to the other dude

it's ok :)

no way would these guys have beaten jones, i have not seen jones early fights but i know he was really hungry them, even if he had that he would beat them both

no way would these guys have beaten jones, i have not seen jones early fights but i know he was really hungry them, even if he had that he would beat them both

I don't recall anyone getting angry at a prime RJJ for ducking Johnson or Tarver.

johnson did get stopped by a prime roy jones jr. and tarver missed his chance when he got beat by harding. but none the less, roy signed the contracts to fight these guys, thinking he still had what it takes, and loss, in very bad fashion. doesn't matter prime or past his prime, he still got in the ring with them expecting to win, and didn't. it's obvious that roy is one of the best to ever step foot in the ring. it just hurts me to see him go out like this. i really feel bad for him personally, it's got to be tearing him up inside, to go from one of the best ever, to being a glass joe ( damn near overnight ). you can talk about someones prime and what could have happend, but boxing is a NOW sport, if you got it NOW your good, if not, then it's not good.....i would like roy to get another win before he goes out but looking at the way he fought and got ko'd, i'm surprised he made it out of sparring....

there is no way jones loses to tarver or johnson in his prime. hell tarver was still beating kids up at the olympics when roy was in his prime

johnson did get stopped by a prime roy jones jr. and tarver missed his chance when he got beat by harding. but none the less, roy signed the contracts to fight these guys, thinking he still had what it takes, and loss, in very bad fashion. doesn't matter prime or past his prime, he still got in the ring with them expecting to win, and didn't. it's obvious that roy is one of the best to ever step foot in the ring. it just hurts me to see him go out like this. i really feel bad for him personally, it's got to be tearing him up inside, to go from one of the best ever, to being a glass joe ( damn near overnight ). you can talk about someones prime and what could have happend, but boxing is a NOW sport, if you got it NOW your good, if not, then it's not good.....i would like roy to get another win before he goes out but looking at the way he fought and got ko'd, i'm surprised he made it out of sparring....

Do you also feel bad that he was never the light heavyweight linear champion?

jones lost all that muscle ruined his career... something is wrong with roy..he threw great combos with speed but then wouldnt do ****.. his punches when he threw them were twice as fast as johnson and sharp ..i neva liked roy that much but ima tell you ....you cant loose that much muscle ive done it before you just dont feel the same,, he should of stayeed at heavyweight he would of been great i think he could of heavyweght champion by now he,,, would of gain maybe 10 more pounds of muscle and would of been the fastest heavyweight and 210 pounds at only 5'11 and cut.. but everybody plays the fool sometie even the great think everthing out 5 times roy jones

here are the keys to why Jones has not been the same:
1.)Fighters are not scared of him anymore, so they show little respect.
2.)I have a feeling that moving to heavyweight screwed him up physcially.
3.)The style he fights with(leaning on the ropes/hands down)does not work under pressure.

prime roy would have whip the floor with tarver, and no question about johnson. Roy would have be way to much for either tarver or johnson in his prime, he was stronger, faster, focus and most of all hungry to be the best which in my eye he still is. After he drop down from heavyweight, he wasn't hungry anymore, also his body was not the same. Both tarver fights, he wasn't the same, and after that big upset by a 2 round ko, he just look as if he gave up a long time ago when he was in battle with johnson. Jones need to fight tarver on oct 1 to average his both ko losses and remain know as the best lightheavy weight fighter, i believe he will come as old rj to beat tarver now

your a roy hater, besides it seem as if you have not be around when roy ruled boxing in his era, prime roy had no real challenge, becuz he make short work of who ever he fought. if you really think roy is that bad that he would get beat by a cruiserwieght, your truly mistaking, you shouldn't be on this webb page talking about boxing, roy the man period

no argument. Jones woulda ***** slapped Tarver around ta ring in his prime.

People lets not forget. Both Tarver & Johnson were not in their prime when they fought Jones. Both guys are like 36 or 37 years old.

LOL how can you say a guy with 9 losses will beat arguably the best p4p fighter of all time? I don't care what people say about the opposition he faced he fought great fighters in Toney and Hopkins and totally ****ed them up.

LOL how can you say a guy with 9 losses will beat arguably the best p4p fighter of all time? I don't care what people say about the opposition he faced he fought great fighters in Toney and Hopkins and totally ****ed them up.Dude, are you kidding me. Best P4P fighter ever. Roy Jones is not even in my top 10 best P4P boxers. Sugar Ray Robinson was the best P4P boxer & is the best boxer of all time.

Dude, are you kidding me. Best P4P fighter ever. Roy Jones is not even in my top 10 best P4P boxers. Sugar Ray Robinson was the best P4P boxer & is the best boxer of all time.
That's your opinion, not mine. He's a great fighter though, you must at least agree with that. His athleticism was just ****in insane. I bet he could of tried any sport when he was younger and been world-class in any of em (baseball,football,basketball,etc.)

His athleticism was just ****in insane. I bet he could of tried any sport when he was younger and been world-class in any of em (baseball,football,basketball,etc.)Yea maybe basketball or football. But baseball isn't all about athleticism, hitting a baseball isn't easy.

Whether you like ROy or not you have to agree that Tarver and especially Glen Johnson would not have beaten ROy Jones in his prime.

Roy should have never came back down from heavyweight. He shouldve stayed and retired after a couple more title defences.

The only way I would tell Roy to fight a few more is if he goes heavyweight.

he woujldnt have lost to johnson..but tarver would give royjones problems regardless of when the time was

i think roy in his prime would have beaten both guys, but i also agree that tarver would still give him some problems....

Yeah, Roy would have beaten both of them convincingly in his prime. I think he would have KO'd Johnson and decisioned Tarver. You never know, he may beat the **** out of Tarver this time, but as cautious as he fights, it's hard to imagine him just going after Tarver like that lol

Sure, Tarver would have given Roy something to think about, but not enough to BEAT Roy in his prime. Hell, he LOST to an old, dehydrated Roy before their rematch. His chin was only questioned in his late age so there really is not much legitimacy is saying that Tarver should be favored to beat Roy in his prime.