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Yaman
01-13-2010, 03:19 PM
I often notice people giving way too much credit to Andrew Golota when it comes to these fights. It's basicely like this: Golota dominated Bowe every second, winning with ease in both fights but for some reason got himself disqualified because he's a 'nutcase' by default. That's the general viewpoint, but I completely disagree.

When I watch these fights, I see a clear pattern. Pretty much every time Golota cowardly cheap shots Bowe is because right before that, he is pummeling Bowe with great combinations, so great that a boxer will start admiring his own work. But right after that, Bowe would just take it and keep coming back for more, and more importantly, he would land or atleast try to land his own shots in return. I can almost see in Golota's face that he can't believe how this guy was still standing and coming back for more while hitting him back.

The fights weren't as one sided as you may think. Especially the second fight. Bowe hurt Golota as well and even knocked him down, cut his eye and lips badly. This was no Dempsey-Willard.

So every time I see those low blows, I just see a mentally weak man who can dish it out but can't take it. He seemed to be tiring and maybe he thought he was going to get taken out in the end. That's basicely it for me, Golota cowardly(compared to other boxers) took the easy way out twice in fights that he was ahead in. I do not believe he "snapped" and somehow ruined his victories. He knew EXACTLY what he was doing and did so because he was getting hit back by a man with more heart than he could ever dream of.

This is just my take on it. Anyone else agree?

TheGreatA
01-13-2010, 03:33 PM
I agree although I do think the second fight was brutally one-sided at times, with Golota landing over 50 punches in most rounds (astonishing amount in a heavyweight fight) but Bowe took all of it and landed punches of his own. Before Golota got himself disqualified for low blows, he was hit by a couple of overhand rights. He simply couldn't take punishment like Bowe could and that's why he lost. Bowe won it with sheer heart.

TheGreatA
01-13-2010, 03:37 PM
Why did you hit Bowe in the balls?

The son of a ***** didn***8217;t want to go down. And I didn***8217;t know what was going on with me? It gets worse in the second fight. From the fifth round on I didn***8217;t know what was going on. From the third round I was fighting with a broken jaw. Not many people know this. He was swimming on the ropes. The referee should have stopped the fight and spared Bowe.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=318871

Yaman
01-13-2010, 03:59 PM
Thanks for the interview, I haven't read it before.

I'm not one to bash fighters but my goodness this guy is an idiot. He makes excuses for every single loss he had, and really crappy excuses at that. "The son of a ***** wouldn't go down" is maybe the only honest answer he gave.

TBear
01-13-2010, 04:06 PM
Not making excuses for Bowe but in the first fight he came in way overweight and possibly undertrained. So some wise person in his camp had him diet, so come the second fight he looked frail and weak, but he was alot slimmer!

Dynamite Kid
01-13-2010, 04:13 PM
I just see a mentally weak man who can dish it out but can't take it.

I agree with this. Golota could not quell Bowe's fire so he resorted to low blows, he could not cope with the idea Bowe could take his best shots and keep coming back, its ironic that people questioned Bowe's heart early in his career.



Foreman said some stupid things when he was at ringside for HBO, not in this fight but i mean in general, however in this fight i think he made an astute point, he said that Bowe was misjudging the distance Golota could hit him with jab and if sure enough if you watch that fight Golota is tattooing Bowe with the jab. (First fight)

If i recall Golota did much better at counter punching than he did coming foward, when Bowe attacked him he would have success but when he was the aggressor Bowe had has successes.

Bowe would of beaten Golota in his prime but it would of still been a tough fight imo.

any craic lad?
01-13-2010, 04:28 PM
golota very good talent but an even better idiot

sonnyboyx2
01-13-2010, 04:51 PM
their 2nd fight was as good as any fight in history for action... it was brilliant

bklynboy
01-13-2010, 05:48 PM
I often notice people giving way too much credit to Andrew Golota when it comes to these fights. It's basicely like this: Golota dominated Bowe every second, winning with ease in both fights but for some reason got himself disqualified because he's a 'nutcase' by default. That's the general viewpoint, but I completely disagree.

When I watch these fights, I see a clear pattern. Pretty much every time Golota cowardly cheap shots Bowe is because right before that, he is pummeling Bowe with great combinations, so great that a boxer will start admiring his own work. But right after that, Bowe would just take it and keep coming back for more, and more importantly, he would land or atleast try to land his own shots in return. I can almost see in Golota's face that he can't believe how this guy was still standing and coming back for more while hitting him back.

The fights weren't as one sided as you may think. Especially the second fight. Bowe hurt Golota as well and even knocked him down, cut his eye and lips badly. This was no Dempsey-Willard.

So every time I see those low blows, I just see a mentally weak man who can dish it out but can't take it. He seemed to be tiring and maybe he thought he was going to get taken out in the end. That's basicely it for me, Golota cowardly(compared to other boxers) took the easy way out twice in fights that he was ahead in. I do not believe he "snapped" and somehow ruined his victories. He knew EXACTLY what he was doing and did so because he was getting hit back by a man with more heart than he could ever dream of.

This is just my take on it. Anyone else agree?

It's not that the fights were one sided it's that Golota came from nowhere. Nobody expected him to be competitive and then he wins the first round, then the second and you go what the f**k is going on here.

He clearly won both fights and then he self-destructed. He definately had some screws loose. Why did he self-destruct? Was he unable to handle the pressure of winning (look at how he came out against Lewis)? I don't know.

I can see what you're saying that he knew what he was doing. I wouldn't phrase that way but ok. But then the question for me is why? Why would he throw away fights that he was winning.

Yaman
01-13-2010, 06:49 PM
I can answer your questions.

He clearly won both fights and then he self-destructed. He definately had some screws loose.

He wasn't crazy. He just didn't have any heart compared to other fighters. he couldn't deal with the fact that Bowe was taking everything he had to offer, and was still hitting him back, still knocking him down, still cutting his entire face up etc. I haven't seen Golota low blow a guy this severely outside the Bowe fights.

Was he unable to handle the pressure of winning (look at how he came out against Lewis)? I don't know.

He only liked winning when the guy in front of him wasn't able to withstand him. When he had a warrior in front of him like Bowe who would take everything, or a wrecking ball like Tyson, Brewster or Lewis, he didn't want to have any part of it.

Golota is not getting a free pass from me. He should be called out on his cowardice behavior like any other fighter in his place would have been. There were no screws loose. He simply wanted a way out because he couldn't deal with the adversity. He knew exactly what he was doing.

bklynboy
01-13-2010, 08:06 PM
I can answer your questions.


Golota is not getting a free pass from me. He should be called out on his cowardice behavior like any other fighter in his place would have been. There were no screws loose. He simply wanted a way out because he couldn't deal with the adversity. He knew exactly what he was doing.

OK. I can buy that. A bully/coward mob-enforcer type can't take it when his prey actually fights back. To quote Cus D'Amato:

"When two men are fighting, what you're watching is more a contest of wills than of skills, with the stronger will usually overcoming the skill. The skill will prevail only when it is so superior to the other man's skill that the will is not tested."

cooper5
01-13-2010, 08:48 PM
Get hit in the crotch by a guy Golota's size and you can't move. Get hit in the crotch several times and you are lucky to stand against the ropes. Get hit low as much as Bowe did and boxing is not the only thing you retire from!

Burning Desire
01-22-2010, 12:30 PM
Nah im sorry but i can't agree with you bro, Riddick Bowe got his ass whooped in the 2nd fight, he only won rounds 3 and 4, but other than that he was literally getting totured in there.

Some rounds were very hard to watch, and Riddick Bowe after the 4th round, could only land 1 or 2 big shots here and there. The fight should of been stopped and maybe Riddick Bowe wouldn't be as bad as he is now.

Sugarj
01-22-2010, 12:46 PM
Bowe's decline came so fast it was unbelievable! There he is in 1995 blitzing an actually quite useful Herbie Hide, motor mouth Gonzales and being the first guy to stop Holyfield (only happened once since!)

Then 1996 he turns up heavy and overconfident for Golota and simply ships too much punishment! For the rematch he certainly trains hard but comes in too low in weight and for the first time in his career has lost his normally excellent chin. He looks spindly and unbalanced but still has all the heart of a champion.

After shipping a bad beating in the later rounds the post fight interview has him slurring his words. And thus ends his career as a world championship level boxer......shame! I'd have liked to see the best version of Bowe fight Lewis or Tyson. Potentially I think he could have been the best heavyweight of the 90s.

Golota was a good heavyweight too, but the one round loss to Lewis and the two round loss to Tyson indicated to me that he was just below world class.

Dynamite Kid
01-22-2010, 01:57 PM
Bowe's decline came so fast it was unbelievable! There he is in 1995 blitzing an actually quite useful Herbie Hide, motor mouth Gonzales and being the first guy to stop Holyfield (only happened once since!)

Then 1996 he turns up heavy and overconfident for Golota and simply ships too much punishment! For the rematch he certainly trains hard but comes in too low in weight and for the first time in his career has lost his normally excellent chin. He looks spindly and unbalanced but still has all the heart of a champion.

After shipping a bad beating in the later rounds the post fight interview has him slurring his words. And thus ends his career as a world championship level boxer......shame! I'd have liked to see the best version of Bowe fight Lewis or Tyson. Potentially I think he could have been the best heavyweight of the 90s.

Golota was a good heavyweight too, but the one round loss to Lewis and the two round loss to Tyson indicated to me that he was just below world class.

I dont necessarily agree with that. I thought Bowe looked terrible against Holyfield 3, Donald and Hide and even though its a great shock to see Bowe lose to Golota when you look back you can see the signs were there imo. Imagine what might of happened to Bowe in that 3rd fight had Holy had the energy to follow up after dropping him.


Just to reiterate i reckon Bowe would of beaten Golota in his prime.

joe strong
01-22-2010, 02:07 PM
golota in his early days was dirty.when he got in trouble he would intentionally foul a guy to slow him down.the reason bowe had such trouble with golota was not just the lowblows.golota had an 84" reach & was able to jab with the jabber.his jab was hard & accurate & golota was the first guy bowe fought who had as good a jab as he did.bowe couldn't lean on or push golota around.bowe usually had a distinct size advantage vs most of his notable opponents.lennox would have crushed bowe IMO.

Dynamite Kid
01-22-2010, 02:26 PM
golota in his early days was dirty.when he got in trouble he would intentionally foul a guy to slow him down.the reason bowe had such trouble with golota was not just the lowblows.golota had an 84" reach & was able to jab with the jabber.his jab was hard & accurate & golota was the first guy bowe fought who had as good a jab as he did.bowe couldn't lean on or push golota around.bowe usually had a distinct size advantage vs most of his notable opponents.lennox would have crushed bowe IMO.

Aren't you are a Tunney ALT?

Sugarj
01-22-2010, 02:31 PM
Hi Dynamite,

I totally see your angle. But I actually rated Hide quite highly, if he had a better chin and a little more size......well who knows? He did out box Bowe early but then he was destroyed! As for Holyfield 3, Evander looked great in spurts but you cant argue with a stoppage victory for Bowe, I didn't think he looked bad in that fight, he was accurate even though his defense was a bit leaky. As for Holyfield having the energy, well no one ever managed to stop Bowe! Holyfield fought too well that night for a guy apparently suffering from flu and recovering from a heart attack. Ha ha. As for Larry Donald, who looked good against him? He just had one of those styles.

I totally agree with you though, I think prime Bowe does a Lennox Lewis on Golota!

TheGreatA
01-22-2010, 02:39 PM
Hi Dynamite,

I totally see your angle. But I actually rated Hide quite highly, if he had a better chin and a little more size......well who knows? He did out box Bowe early but then he was destroyed! As for Holyfield 3, Evander looked great in spurts but you cant argue with a stoppage victory for Bowe, I didn't think he looked bad in that fight, he was accurate even though his defense was a bit leaky. As for Holyfield having the energy, well no one ever managed to stop Bowe! Holyfield fought too well that night for a guy apparently suffering from flu and recovering from a heart attack. Ha ha. As for Larry Donald, who looked good against him? He just had one of those styles.

I totally agree with you though, I think prime Bowe does a Lennox Lewis on Golota!

I think Bowe did show signs of slipping against Hide. Hide probably spent more time on the canvas than he did upright but I've struggled to find the punches Bowe hit him with. On the other hand Hide was hitting Bowe at will. Hide seemed to lose because of his nerves since Bowe wasn't doing a spectacular job in winning.

He KO'd Holyfield but he was nearly KO'd too by Holyfield of all people. Again it seemed that Holyfield lost that fight more than Bowe had won it, silly as it may sound.

Bowe looked good against Gonzalez though.

joe strong
01-22-2010, 02:45 PM
Aren't you are a Tunney ALT?

LOL! No I'm joe strong from Edmonton Canada,not Canada joe.....I'm a casual poster on heavyweights & don't like the klitschkos...my favorite boxers were lennox,golota,Botha,Holyfield...I'm even a tye fields fan because he fights out of my hometown...LOL! I don't go to the nude beach ball gazing either...LOL!

Dynamite Kid
01-22-2010, 02:59 PM
Hi Dynamite,

I totally see your angle. But I actually rated Hide quite highly, if he had a better chin and a little more size......well who knows? He did out box Bowe early but then he was destroyed! As for Holyfield 3, Evander looked great in spurts but you cant argue with a stoppage victory for Bowe, I didn't think he looked bad in that fight, he was accurate even though his defense was a bit leaky. As for Holyfield having the energy, well no one ever managed to stop Bowe! Holyfield fought too well that night for a guy apparently suffering from flu and recovering from a heart attack. Ha ha. As for Larry Donald, who looked good against him? He just had one of those styles.

I totally agree with you though, I think prime Bowe does a Lennox Lewis on Golota!

I think Bowe did show signs of slipping against Hide. Hide probably spent more time on the canvas than he did upright but I've struggled to find the punches Bowe hit him with. On the other hand Hide was hitting Bowe at will. Hide seemed to lose because of his nerves since Bowe wasn't doing a spectacular job in winning.

He KO'd Holyfield but he was nearly KO'd too by Holyfield of all people. Again it seemed that Holyfield lost that fight more than Bowe had won it, silly as it may sound.

Bowe looked good against Gonzalez though.



Yeah thats fair enough. :boxing:

I deffo think he would of beaten Lewis. Lewis's overhand right was the only weapon that could of given Bowe trouble.



TheGreatA couldn't agree more.

Am i right in saying that Gonzalez was a bit left handed happy like Biggs and did not let the right hand go enough?

TheGreatA
01-22-2010, 03:14 PM
Yeah thats fair enough. :boxing:

I deffo think he would of beaten Lewis. Lewis's overhand right was the only weapon that could of given Bowe trouble.

TheGreatA couldn't agree more.

Am i right in saying that Gonzalez was a bit left handed happy like Biggs and did not let the right hand go enough?

No you wouldn't be wrong. He was amateurish and never put in an effort to improve as a pro. The show he put on against an old Renaldo Snipes was viewed as a bit of a disgrace. Gonzalez taunted him and didn't actually try to knock him out until the last round.

I'd have to say that Gonzalez is among the laziest boxers I've ever seen. I know a bit about him since he defected in Finland and lived here after his boxing career was over. He spent his best days as an amateur (actually beat Bowe, Lewis) and cashed in as a pro, signing a contract for millions of dollars very early on. There was no need for him to fight since he had already made his money.

To a certain extent I believe that was the downfall of Bowe as well, since he was given big paydays to fight the likes of Michael Dokes & Jesse Ferguson on HBO. Tougher challenges against for example Lennox Lewis would have forced him to stay in shape and keep his skills sharp.

Dynamite Kid
01-22-2010, 03:29 PM
No you wouldn't be wrong. He was amateurish and never put in an effort to improve as a pro. The show he put on against an old Renaldo Snipes was viewed as a bit of a disgrace. Gonzalez taunted him and didn't actually try to knock him out until the last round.

I'd have to say that Gonzalez is among the laziest boxers I've ever seen. I know a bit about him since he defected in Finland and lived here after his boxing career was over. He spent his best days as an amateur (actually beat Bowe, Lewis) and cashed in as a pro, signing a contract for millions of dollars very early on. There was no need for him to fight since he had already made his money.

To a certain extent I believe that was the downfall of Bowe as well, since he was given big paydays to fight the likes of Michael Dokes & Jesse Ferguson on HBO. Tougher challenges against for example Lennox Lewis would have forced him to stay in shape and keep his skills sharp.


Cheers TheGreatA.

The reason i brought that up is because stylistically that type of opponent is made for Riddick Bowe and maybe that might explain why he was still able to beat Gonzalez despite being past it.

I saw his fight with Witherspoon, Spoon did a better job than Bowe imo.

TheGreatA
01-22-2010, 03:35 PM
Cheers TheGreatA.

The reason i brought that up is because stylistically that type of opponent is made for Riddick Bowe and maybe that might explain why he was still able to beat Gonzalez despite being past it.

I saw his fight with Witherspoon, Spoon did a better job than Bowe imo.

Gonzalez ended up being just hype but I'd say that whatever ability he may have had, Bowe beat it out of him. It was an embarrassing loss considering the trash Gonzalez had talked. Witherspoon destroyed him and so did Ross Puritty.

Leevi_P
01-22-2010, 03:50 PM
I can't even watch Bowe - Golota fights.. One of my favorite fighters gets terrible beating and braindamage.. PERKELE!

Dynamite Kid
01-22-2010, 04:04 PM
Gonzalez ended up being just hype but I'd say that whatever ability he may have had, Bowe beat it out of him. It was an embarrassing loss considering the trash Gonzalez had talked. Witherspoon destroyed him and so did Ross Puritty.

TheGreatA do you know much about Carmen Basillio? i downloaded some DVD's of him but have not got around to watching him they yet.

TheGreatA
01-22-2010, 04:10 PM
I can't even watch Bowe - Golota fights.. One of my favorite fighters gets terrible beating and braindamage.. PERKELE!

Hyviä otteluita molemmat, mutta samasta syystä en kyllä viitsi oikein katsoa.

Bowella ei ollut muuta enää jäljellä kuin sisua ja Golotalla oli kaikki tarpeelliseet välineet olla maailmanmestari paitsi sisua. Kysyttiin minkä vuoksi löi Bowea vyön alle ja vastas koska se ei olis muuten pysynyt alhaalla... Heh heh. :pat:

TheGreatA do you know much about Carmen Basillio? i downloaded some DVD's of him but have not got around to watching him they yet.

At first he might come across as a one-dimensional brawler but there was a lot more to his game than that. Of course the main thing about Basilio is that he was one of the toughest fighters to ever live, but he was also great at forcing the opponent to fight his fight and developed some boxing skills over the years. He's not exactly Joe Frazier but a lot like him in that he'll make you fight every second of every round. He depended mainly on his left hand until adding a right hand later on but he was past his physical prime then.

One of the most exciting fighters ever and was involved in more Ring Magazine FOTY's than any other fighter I believe.

Dynamite Kid
01-22-2010, 04:24 PM
Hyviä otteluita molemmat, mutta samasta syystä en kyllä viitsi oikein katsoa.

Bowella ei ollut muuta enää jäljellä kuin sisua ja Golotalla oli kaikki tarpeelliseet välineet olla maailmanmestari paitsi sisua. Kysyttiin minkä vuoksi löi Bowea vyön alle ja vastas koska se ei olis muuten pysynyt alhaalla... Heh heh. :pat:



At first he might come across as a one-dimensional brawler but there was a lot more to his game than that. Of course the main thing about Basilio is that he was one of the toughest fighters to ever live, but he was also great at forcing the opponent to fight his fight and developed some boxing skills over the years. He's not exactly Joe Frazier but a lot like him in that he'll make you fight every second of every round. He depended mainly on his left hand until adding a right hand later on but he was past his physical prime then.

One of the most exciting fighters ever and was involved in more Ring Magazine FOTY's than any other fighter I believe.


Yeah? sounds interesting, cheers i will check him out.

Leevi_P
01-22-2010, 04:28 PM
Go***322;ota bit Po'hua on the shoulder before and used headbutts against Nicholson though he was dominating both fights...

Golota is a crazy *****.

Because of bad karma he never won title in professional. :rofl:

0-3-1 in world title fights. :burnout:

One more round
01-22-2010, 05:32 PM
Riddick took insane punishment from Golota, but showed signs of badly slipping vs Holyfield the 3rd time, and even before that. IMO he was past his very peak after he lost to Evander the 2nd time, or even after he beat Evander the 1st time...just lost his hunger, well not his hunger for food, but his hunger for success.