View Full Version : How Would Floyd Mayweather Do Against ATGs In Their Primes? (No Hater/Huggers Please)


Ziggy Stardust
01-12-2010, 07:17 PM
In Prime Floyd Mayweather Versus In Prime:

Ray Robinson
Sam Langford
Henry Armstrong
Ray Leonard
Kid Gavilan
Jose Napoles
Barney Ross
Jimmy McLarnin
Thomas Hearns
Oscar De La Hoya
Emile Griffith
Felix Trinidad
Antonio Cervantes
Shane Mosley
Wilfred Benitez
Carmen Basilio
Aaron Pryor

Your thoughts Gentlemen?

Poet

JAB5239
01-12-2010, 10:11 PM
In Prime Floyd Mayweather Versus In Prime:

Ray Robinson L
Sam Langford L
Henry Armstrong L
Ray Leonard L
Kid Gavilan L
Jose Napoles L
Barney Ross L
Jimmy McLarnin L
Thomas Hearns L
Oscar De La Hoya L
Emile Griffith L
Felix Trinidad W
Antonio Cervantes W
Shane Mosley W
Wilfred Benitez W
Carmen Basilio W
Aaron Pryor W

Your thoughts Gentlemen?

Poet

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mickey malone
01-12-2010, 11:00 PM
In Prime Floyd Mayweather Versus In Prime:

Ray Robinson
Sam Langford
Henry Armstrong
Ray Leonard
Kid Gavilan
Jose Napoles
Barney Ross
Jimmy McLarnin
Thomas Hearns
Oscar De La Hoya
Emile Griffith
Felix Trinidad
Antonio Cervantes
Shane Mosley
Wilfred Benitez
Carmen Basilio
Aaron Pryor

Your thoughts Gentlemen?

Poet
I think he loses to the top 4 and Tommy Hearns

Napoles, McLarnin, DLH, Trinidad, Ross and Mosley are all 50/50 in their primes, but with a gun put to my head, i'd give PBF the edge in cuteness..

The rest would all give him hell, but i think he overcomes them.. The hardest fights would be against Griffith and Benitez, as both are naturally much bigger than Floyd..

Surprised you didn't throw Duran in there..

One more round
01-12-2010, 11:50 PM
In Prime Floyd Mayweather Versus In Prime:

Ray Robinson
Sam Langford
Henry ArmstrongRay Leonard
Kid Gavilan
Jose Napoles
Barney Ross
Jimmy McLarnin
Thomas Hearns
Oscar De La Hoya
Emile Griffith
Felix Trinidad
Antonio Cervantes
Shane Mosley
Wilfred Benitez
Carmen Basilio
Aaron Pryor

Your thoughts Gentlemen?

Poet


I think he beats all the guys in bold, but a lot of them would be close fights.

I don't care what problems people have with Floyd, he is a talented, intelligent fighter who would hang with and beat many ATG's throughout history.

mickey malone
01-12-2010, 11:57 PM
I think he beats all the guys in bold, but a lot of them would be close fights.

I don't care what problems people have with Floyd, he is a talented, intelligent fighter who would hang with and beat many ATG's throughout history.
Well said.. But his inactivity is gonna ruin his legacy..

Ziggy Stardust
01-13-2010, 12:20 PM
Well said.. But his inactivity is gonna ruin his legacy..

Funny, but I get the feeling from his statements he really doesn't care about his legacy.

Poet

One more round
01-13-2010, 06:37 PM
Funny, but I get the feeling from his statements he really doesn't care about his legacy.

Poet

What fighter does? This is their job, they are in it to make money over all.

steeluv
01-13-2010, 07:35 PM
What fighter does? This is their job, they are in it to make money over all.

I think Pacquaio, Marquez, Barrera, Cotto along with a good percentage of latin fighters were striving for best posible fight to create a better history for themselves.

Sugar Ray Leonard had some great fights with the best possible opponents, Duran, Hearns and Hagler, how is hell is Floyd going to get near SRL if he keeps fighting Smaller guys and avoiding risky opponents

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01-13-2010, 09:51 PM
I think Pacquaio, Marquez, Barrera, Cotto along with a good percentage of latin fighters were striving for best posible fight to create a better history for themselves.

Sugar Ray Leonard had some great fights with the best possible opponents, Duran, Hearns and Hagler, how is hell is Floyd going to get near SRL if he keeps fighting Smaller guys and avoiding risky opponents

He fought one smaller guy!!

It's amazing how Floyd can fight one smaller guy, after a string of bigger ones, and all of a sudden he "keeps fighting smaller guys"

Ziggy Stardust
01-13-2010, 10:42 PM
What fighter does? This is their job, they are in it to make money over all.

Top fighters used to, and not that long ago either. Maybe mankind has gotten a lot more cynical the past 15 to 20 years but it wasn't ALL about the money once: Pride and being the best meant something more than how many PPV buys you got; and that was in my adult lifetime not my childhood.

Poet

One more round
01-13-2010, 11:13 PM
Top fighters used to, and not that long ago either. Maybe mankind has gotten a lot more cynical the past 15 to 20 years but it wasn't ALL about the money once: Pride and being the best meant something more than how many PPV buys you got; and that was in my adult lifetime not my childhood.

Poet



I was probably too rash in saying none care, Floyd probably cares too, but money is the main motivation for them all, especially these days where Floyd or Manny can pull up to 30 million a fight.

GameGod
01-14-2010, 12:35 PM
What weight class? I'll make my own guesses:

Ray Robinson: Robinson wins by KO in 10
Sam Langford: Mayweather wins UD
Henry Armstrong: Lightweight - Armstrong wins UD; Welterweight - Armstrong wins UD
Ray Leonard: Leonard wins UD
Kid Gavilan: Mayweather wins UD
Jose Napoles: Mayweather wins SD
Barney Ross: Ross wins SD
Jimmy McLarnin: Mayweather wins UD
Thomas Hearns: Hearns wins SD
Oscar De La Hoya: Mayweather wins UD
Emile Griffith: Mayweather wins MD
Felix Trinidad: Mayweather wins UD
Antonio Cervantes: Mayweather wins UD
Shane Mosley: Mayweather wins UD
Wilfred Benitez: Mayweather wins SD/MD
Carmen Basilio: Mayweather wins UD
Aaron Pryor: Lightweight - Mayweather wins by KO in 9

Against your selection (a very debatable one) of opponents, I have Mayweather going 12-5 with 1 KO win and 1 KO loss.

Ziggy Stardust
01-14-2010, 12:49 PM
What weight class? I'll make my own guesses:

The weight class in question is Welterweight which, I thought, was self-evident from the list of opponents.

Against your selection (a very debatable one) of opponents

In what way is the selection of opponents "VERY" debatable. Are these or are these not ATG Welterweights? :thinking:

Poet

GameGod
01-14-2010, 04:56 PM
The weight class in question is Welterweight which, I thought, was self-evident from the list of opponents.

Yes, the later opponents only fought at Welterweight +, my mistake. But in seeking to grade Mayweather, this is the wrong weight class. He was a far more effective Lightweight (I have him as #4 All-Time) and an even better Junior Lightweight (I have him as #2 All-Time).

In what way is the selection of opponents "VERY" debatable. Are these or are these not ATG Welterweights? :thinking:

Poet

Yes, they maybe All-Time Great Welterweights (depending on your criteria and which ranks you count as ATG). For Welterweights, that is a very good (if not perfect) list in my opinion (needless-to-say, I'm sure it is perfect in yours). But why not let Mayweather face the Greats in other weight classes in which he shined? I would suggest the following from other weight classes. After the fighters is my prediction.

Junior Lightweight

Kid Chocolate: Mayweather wins by KO in 8
Brian Mitchell: Mayweather wins a UD
Azumah Nelson: Mayweather wins by KO in 11
Flash Elorde: Mayweather wins by KO in 9
Alexis Arguello: Arguello wins a MD

Mayweather is 4-1 against my Top 5 All-Time.

Lightweight

Lou Ambers: Mayweather wins by KO in 8
Lew Tendler: Mayweather wins by KO in 11
Battling Nelson: Mayweather wins a UD
Sammy Angott: Mayweather wins a UD
Barney Ross: Mayweather wins a UD
Beau Jack: Mayweather wins a UD
Freddie Welsh: Mayweather wins a UD
Carlos Ortiz: Mayweather wins a MD
Tony Canzoneri: Mayweather wins a UD
Ike Williams: Mayweather wins by KO in 9
Joe Gans: Mayweather wins by KO in 12
Benny Leonard: Mayweather wins by KO in 8
Pernell Whitaker: Whitaker wins a SD/MD
Henry Armstrong: Armstrong wins a UD
Roberto Duran: Duran wins a UD

Mayweather is 12-3 against my Top 15 All-Time, with losses only to the people in the Top 3.

One more round
01-14-2010, 11:42 PM
Yes, the later opponents only fought at Welterweight +, my mistake. But in seeking to grade Mayweather, this is the wrong weight class. He was a far more effective Lightweight (I have him as #4 All-Time) and an even better Junior Lightweight (I have him as #2 All-Time).



Yes, they maybe All-Time Great Welterweights (depending on your criteria and which ranks you count as ATG). For Welterweights, that is a very good (if not perfect) list in my opinion (needless-to-say, I'm sure it is perfect in yours). But why not let Mayweather face the Greats in other weight classes in which he shined? I would suggest the following from other weight classes. After the fighters is my prediction.

Junior Lightweight

Kid Chocolate: Mayweather wins by KO in 8
Brian Mitchell: Mayweather wins a UD
Azumah Nelson: Mayweather wins by KO in 11
Flash Elorde: Mayweather wins by KO in 9
Alexis Arguello: Arguello wins a MD

Mayweather is 4-1 against my Top 5 All-Time.

Lightweight

Lou Ambers: Mayweather wins by KO in 8
Lew Tendler: Mayweather wins by KO in 11
Battling Nelson: Mayweather wins a UD
Sammy Angott: Mayweather wins a UD
Barney Ross: Mayweather wins a UD
Beau Jack: Mayweather wins a UD
Freddie Welsh: Mayweather wins a UD
Carlos Ortiz: Mayweather wins a MD
Tony Canzoneri: Mayweather wins a UD
Ike Williams: Mayweather wins by KO in 9
Joe Gans: Mayweather wins by KO in 12
Benny Leonard: Mayweather wins by KO in 8
Pernell Whitaker: Whitaker wins a SD/MD
Henry Armstrong: Armstrong wins a UD
Roberto Duran: Duran wins a UD

Mayweather is 12-3 against my Top 15 All-Time, with losses only to the people in the Top 3.

You seriously think flat footed Arguello would beat Floyd? It would be like a bear trying to catch a butterfly.

Arguello was a much better fighter than Corrales, but if you want volume two of Mayweather-Corrales you would watch Mayweather-Arguello.

Ziggy Stardust
01-15-2010, 01:12 AM
Yes, the later opponents only fought at Welterweight +, my mistake. But in seeking to grade Mayweather, this is the wrong weight class. He was a far more effective Lightweight (I have him as #4 All-Time) and an even better Junior Lightweight (I have him as #2 All-Time).

Yes, they maybe All-Time Great Welterweights (depending on your criteria and which ranks you count as ATG). For Welterweights, that is a very good (if not perfect) list in my opinion (needless-to-say, I'm sure it is perfect in yours). But why not let Mayweather face the Greats in other weight classes in which he shined? I would suggest the following from other weight classes. After the fighters is my prediction.

That's fair enough (although I use "Old School Eight" weight classes so Junior Lightweight would be folded in with the Lightweights). For my Lightweight matchups I'll go ahead and reuse Floyd instead of Juan Manuel Marquez as I had originally planned. I Floyd in with Welterweights because that's where he's currently fighting AND he's still (arguably at least) in his prime.

Poet