View Full Version : How Would Lennox Lewis Do Against The ATGs In Their Primes? (No Haters Please)


Ziggy Stardust
01-10-2010, 05:37 PM
In Prime Lennox Lewis Versus In Prime:

Muhammed Ali
Joe Louis
Jack Johnson
Jack Dempsey
Larry Holmes
Sonny Liston
George Foreman
Evander Holyfield
Rocky Marciano
Mike Tyson
Joe Frazier
Harry Wills
Joe Walcott

Your thoughts Gentlemen?

Poet

Obama
01-10-2010, 06:05 PM
In Prime Lennox Lewis Versus In Prime:

Muhammed Ali
Joe Louis
Jack Johnson
Jack Dempsey
Larry Holmes
Sonny Liston
George Foreman
Evander Holyfield
Rocky Marciano
Mike Tyson
Joe Frazier
Harry Wills
Joe Walcott

Your thoughts Gentlemen?

Poet

Louis, Liston, Foreman, Tyson, and Frazier knock him out.

Ali, Holmes, and Wills decision him

Johnson and Holyfield are pick 'em fights, though I'd favor both to win on points.

Dempsey, Marciano, and Walcott get beat.

Earl Hickey
01-10-2010, 06:05 PM
In Prime Lennox Lewis Versus In Prime:

Muhammed Ali
Joe Louis
Jack Johnson
Jack Dempsey
Larry Holmes
Sonny Liston
George Foreman
Evander Holyfield
Rocky Marciano
Mike Tyson
Joe Frazier
Harry Wills
Joe Walcott

Your thoughts Gentlemen?

Poet

Ali: I dont think Lennox would do well against Ali, because he has never fought anyone with the speed and movement of Ali. I say Muhammed wins a UD, but probably doesnt stop Lennox, in a rematch lewis would do a bit better and lose a close one.

Louis: Well this is a more difficult one to predict, because i think that Lewis is quick enough, and accurate enough to land a right hand on louis chin at some point, and if that happens all bets are off. I cant pick a winner though, but if i were betting id just pick that the fight doesnt go the distance.

Johnson: Jack was a very tough guy, and if he was in another era then he would have a good chance, but i think the size, strength and skills of lewis would prevail here, and sadly i actually dont see Jack making it past 10 rounds.

Dempsey: Absoloute mismatch, lewis in 5 or less, style, size, power, lewis has almost every advantage in this fight.

Holmes: This is a good fight, but i think that it would probably be a victory for holmes because I think Lewis would try to jab with him, and that would be bad news, plus in his prime holmes had a very good chin, so i say Larry by UD, but there is a chance of Lewis by ko

Liston: I think that in this one there are a few options, but the most likely thing i see is Lewis keeping the fight close, but staying ahead. late in the fight Liston would need the KO, and Im going to say that he doesnt get it. Lewis UD then.

Foreman: I actually pick Lennox Lewis in this fight. I think that George has a chance of KO of course, but I see him being peppered with the jabs, if things get messy, lewis will clinch and use his size and strength to smother foreman, who for once is the smaller man, I pick Lewis by Ko, belive it or not.

Holyfield: The same as their actual fights, slow but a little closer on the cards, I dont see what else a Holyfield a couple years younger brings, other than slightly better stamina and reflexes, and again, what difference would that make. Lewis SD

Marciano: Again, in a different era there could be a different result, but Lewis would simply use his height and size, standing back, and slamming marciano with the jab. Marciano would be forced to try and come inside to have any chance wouldnt he? and when he does, Lewis would maul him like a rag doll. Remember when lewis used to pull an opponents head down, and then smash them with an uppercut at the same time? thats the shot that ko's marciano.

Mike Tyson: There are two/three fights here, in the first Tyson stops Lewis inside 5, in the 2nd, the smarter and more tactical Lewis figures out how to keep Tyson off, with a solid jab, and smothering him when he comes inside, as long as lewis doesnt get hit, he stops Tyson late, and the same in the final of the trilogy.

Joe Frazier: I would pick Frazier to KO lewis in the first ight, but this is one of those fights where Lewis would come back in a rematch and handle frazier, so Frazier stops Lewis late in the first and then the other way round in the rematch.

Harry Wills: Sorry, i dont know enough about him to comment

Joe Walcott: I see Lewis having most of the advantages in this one, I think Lewis by KO, again i will say, if Joe was trained in modern facilities, with modern nutritioning etc he may have more of a chance

Ziggy Stardust
01-10-2010, 06:12 PM
Louis, Liston, Foreman, Tyson, and Frazier knock him out.

Ali, Holmes, and Wills decision him

Johnson and Holyfield are pick 'em fights, though I'd favor both to win on points.

Dempsey, Marciano, and Walcott get beat.

Ali: I dont think Lennox would do well against Ali, because he has never fought anyone with the speed and movement of Ali. I say Muhammed wins a UD, but probably doesnt stop Lennox, in a rematch lewis would do a bit better and lose a close one.

Louis: Well this is a more difficult one to predict, because i think that Lewis is quick enough, and accurate enough to land a right hand on louis chin at some point, and if that happens all bets are off. I cant pick a winner though, but if i were betting id just pick that the fight doesnt go the distance.

Johnson: Jack was a very tough guy, and if he was in another era then he would have a good chance, but i think the size, strength and skills of lewis would prevail here, and sadly i actually dont see Jack making it past 10 rounds.

Dempsey: Absoloute mismatch, lewis in 5 or less, style, size, power, lewis has almost every advantage in this fight.

Holmes: This is a good fight, but i think that it would probably be a victory for holmes because I think Lewis would try to jab with him, and that would be bad news, plus in his prime holmes had a very good chin, so i say Larry by UD, but there is a chance of Lewis by ko

Liston: I think that in this one there are a few options, but the most likely thing i see is Lewis keeping the fight close, but staying ahead. late in the fight Liston would need the KO, and Im going to say that he doesnt get it. Lewis UD then.

Foreman: I actually pick Lennox Lewis in this fight. I think that George has a chance of KO of course, but I see him being peppered with the jabs, if things get messy, lewis will clinch and use his size and strength to smother foreman, who for once is the smaller man, I pick Lewis by Ko, belive it or not.

Holyfield: The same as their actual fights, slow but a little closer on the cards, I dont see what else a Holyfield a couple years younger brings, other than slightly better stamina and reflexes, and again, what difference would that make. Lewis SD

Marciano: Again, in a different era there could be a different result, but Lewis would simply use his height and size, standing back, and slamming marciano with the jab. Marciano would be forced to try and come inside to have any chance wouldnt he? and when he does, Lewis would maul him like a rag doll. Remember when lewis used to pull an opponents head down, and then smash them with an uppercut at the same time? thats the shot that ko's marciano.

Mike Tyson: There are two/three fights here, in the first Tyson stops Lewis inside 5, in the 2nd, the smarter and more tactical Lewis figures out how to keep Tyson off, with a solid jab, and smothering him when he comes inside, as long as lewis doesnt get hit, he stops Tyson late, and the same in the final of the trilogy.

Joe Frazier: I would pick Frazier to KO lewis in the first ight, but this is one of those fights where Lewis would come back in a rematch and handle frazier, so Frazier stops Lewis late in the first and then the other way round in the rematch.

Harry Wills: Sorry, i dont know enough about him to comment

Joe Walcott: I see Lewis having most of the advantages in this one, I think Lewis by KO, again i will say, if Joe was trained in modern facilities, with modern nutritioning etc he may have more of a chance

So far so good! Resonable responses without any hating. I may not agree with all of them but they ARE reasonable.

Poet

dagrtst
01-10-2010, 06:42 PM
Muhammad Ali - I can see Lewis giving Ali some trouble in a couple rounds but overall Ali wins a clear decision. Ali's simply too fast and has too much of a good defense to lose.

Joe Louis - This is a tricky one. Although Louis is the better puncher, Lewis has a good size advantage over him. I'm can't pick a clear outcome but I'll say this: if Louis doesn't knock him out early, Lewis would win by a late stoppage.

Jack Johnson - As good as Johnson was, I can't see him beating Lewis. The styles of their eras are much too different. I'll pick Lewis by a late stoppage.

Jack Dempsey - This is another tricky one. It can spell the word disaster for either of them. Their chins aren't considered great, and I'll take it to whoever lands the cleanest and harder shots to get the victory. I'll take a guess and say Lewis wins it.

Larry Holmes - Holmes is a great boxer and I think he would have what it takes to beat Lewis by decision. I see it being prett close but with Holmes getting the decision, in the end.

Sonny Liston - Say what you want about Liston but I think he's got what it takes to knock out Lewis. He's too heavy handed and I see his jab giving Lewis problems. Eventually, he'll get the knockout punch.

George Foreman - Foreman wins this one by knockout. Despite the Ali and Lyle fights, I think Foreman's showed a great chin throughout his career. I'll take him by a mid-round stoppage.

Evander Holyfield - Too bad these men didn't meet up in their prime. I can see it going either of them winning it by a close decision.

Rocky Marciano - As great as Marciano was, I can see Lewis winning it either by a late stoppage or a decision. Marciano just gives too much of a size advantage away and, although he's arguably the better puncher, he's not the better boxer.

Mike Tyson - This fight would be all wrong for Lewis. A young and prime Tyson was fast, slick and all too powerful. I see him stopping Lewis no further than the mid-rounds.

Joe Frazier - Although there's a big size advantage, I can see either of them winning this one. If Frazier doesn't stop him late, Lewis would.

Harry Wills - I won't give an outcome on him because I've seen only one piece of footage of him. That was around a one minute clip of him, while he was past his prime, against Paulino Uzcudun.

Jersey Joe Walcott - I can see Lewis winning this one by a late round stoppage. Lewis just simply had too much of a size advantage over him and he would eventually get to Walcott.

Earl Hickey
01-10-2010, 07:33 PM
Btw poet, you forgot to put wlad on the atg list!

What? What?

Ziggy Stardust
01-10-2010, 07:52 PM
Btw poet, you forgot to put wlad on the atg list!

What? What?

Except I'm not really sure what Wlad's particularly great at.....other than getting KTFO by out-of-shape journeyman pro-golfers :)

Seriously though, I'd put Vitali there long before I put Wlad: Vitali is clearly the better of the two.

Poet

mickey malone
01-11-2010, 12:11 AM
Ali - Prime Ali too fast on his feet, wins a comfortable DC
Louis - Lewis KD's Louis, gets ****y, KO'd by a blistering 3 punch combo
Holmes - Larry gets KD'd but gets up to use his jab and take a SD
Foreman - 10 round version of the Lyle fight, George by KO
Johnson - Jack survives for 10 b4 getting KO'd in the 11th
Marciano - Lewis too rangey, Rock can't get inside, gets stopped on cuts 8th
Dempsey - Hurts Lewis to the body, but gets drilled by an uppercut in the 5th
Tyson - Prime Mike loses a close DC with no KD's
Frazier - Lewis fights of the back foot and closes Joe's eyes around the 11th
Walcott - Outscores Lewis until a big right bomb stretches him in the 6th
Wills - Most say Dempsey would'a beaten him, so I doubt he beats Lewis
Holyfield - 50/50 match in their primes, but Lewis shades it for me..

DeepSleep
01-11-2010, 01:42 AM
This should be a great thread if people can prevent it from turning into a shouting match. Lewis provides some really interesting match ups for fighters given his size and skill level. I think most of these fights would take quite a few paragraphs to really breakdown so I'll just give a very brief summary of why I'd pick who I would pick.

Vs. Ali: I think Ali wins fairly comfortable UD. Although Lewis has a great jab and is a good boxer I don't think his feet are quick enough for him to deal with Ali's constant circling and awkward angles. On a side note I think Prime Lewis would beat a Post-Prime Ali such as the one that fought in the Thrilla in Manilla that couldn't shuffle and move his feet very well.

Vs. Louis: I think Lewis would keep Louis at bay with his jab for a good portion of the fight but I think as the fight wore on Louis would begin to inflict quite a bit of punishment with the left hook to the body that would slow down Lewis. Eventually Lewis gets tagged by a Louis counterpunch that puts him out for the count. Still I wouldn't bet much money on this fight given that both men have excellent power and chins that have been known to give way at times.

Vs. Johnson: Lewis's size gives him the edge. Lewis uses his jab extensively to keep busy against Johnson. Lewis would struggle to land much other than his jab cleanly on Johnson but his reach keeps Johnson from mustering up much of an offense. He wins a clear but ugly UD with not many punches landed cleanly by either man. I'm afraid Johnson doesn't have the punch to really shake Lewis up either.

Vs. Dempsey: Dempsey tries to wade his way inside on Lewis but gets tattooed by jabs and right hands on his way inside. When he finally gets inside Lewis ties him up and pushes him away easily. Rinse and repeat for a few rounds and eventually a big enough punch clocks the courageous but outgunned Dempsey in the first 6 rounds.

Vs. Holmes: Lewis and Holmes put on a clinic on how to throw the jab. As good as Lewis's jab is Holmes's jab is faster and he works his angles a bit better than the slightly clumsy on his feet Lewis who gets out boxed in a competitive but clear UD. I don't think he could KO Holmes either which removes his punchers chance that he normally has against most other Heavyweights.

Vs. Liston: Very tough fight to judge. Liston and Lewis have the same reach and jabs so I'd imagine that that would be a wash. I think Lewis would effectively counterpunch Liston while Liston would try to overwhelm Lewis's attempt to turn the fight into a pure boxing match. As the fight wears on Lewis tires and Liston lands one of his left hooks cleanly on a tired Lewis and puts him to sleep for a late round KO.

Vs. Foreman: Lewis boxes Foreman's ears off and stymies Foreman's attempt to brawl in close quarters by tying him up. I think the main question would be if Foreman lands a bomb before he gets too battered by Lewis. I think this fight could go either way but I would fancy Lewis in most cases to chop Young Foreman down before the bomb lands. Also I might be in the minority here but I think Foreman may get intimidated by the bigger Lewis when he finds out he canít push him around and actually finds himself getting pushed around by a man bigger than him.

Vs. Holyfield: Just like their fights went. Lewis in a razor thin decision.

Vs. Marciano: Way too much of a size difference here for Marciano to make up for. Lewis batters around Marciano as he tries to come inside then ties him up and batters him up some more when he gets there as he ties him up and mauls him. I don't think this is a very good style match up for Rocky as I don't think he has the defensive skills to box with Lewis and is at too much of a disadvantage to try and fight inside without getting tied up and battered around. Iíll take Lewis by a wide UD or late stoppage.

Vs. Tyson: I don't see Lewis being able to move his feet well enough to keep Tyson away from him as I don't picture him being able to hit Tyson with his jab easily. Personally I think a lot of Tyson's greatness is lost due to people focusing only on his flashy knockouts but in his prime he was a very good defensive boxer who was hard to hit. Back on point, Lewis gets clocked by a Tyson left hook and KO'd before the half-way point in the fight as he never finds an effective way to keep Tyson away from him.

Vs. Frazier: Lewis establishes his jab early and rides it to a UD. He keeps Joe at bay with straight punches and when Joe finally gets inside is clinched and pushed away easily. Eventually Joe eats too many straight right hands and stiff jabs and the fight is stopped after a raging Joe Frazier's face is too bloodied to continue. I think Joe might have problems trying to land his hook on Lewis with the height disparity taking some of the steam off his punch.

Vs. Willis: I have only seen highlights of Willis fights and doubt I could make a worthwhile prediction on how the fight would turn out without watching much more film.

Vs. Walcott: Lewis outboxes the game Walcott using his jab and reach to gain a clear advantage throughout the fight. Walcott has his momentís landing some straight rights off counters but he never solves the riddle of Lewis's jab. Lewis wins a clear UD in a good action fight.

Also someone mentioned Wlad but I think Lewis would cold-clock Wlad fairly easily as he has the better jab and better counter-punching skills and I don't think his chin is nearly as brittle.

TheStoneRoses
01-11-2010, 02:19 AM
Muhammad Ali - I can see Lewis giving Ali some trouble in a couple rounds but overall Ali wins a clear decision. Ali's simply too fast and has too much of a good defense to lose.

Joe Louis - This is a tricky one. Although Louis is the better puncher, Lewis has a good size advantage over him. I'm can't pick a clear outcome but I'll say this: if Louis doesn't knock him out early, Lewis would win by a late stoppage.

Jack Johnson - As good as Johnson was, I can't see him beating Lewis. The styles of their eras are much too different. I'll pick Lewis by a late stoppage.

Jack Dempsey - This is another tricky one. It can spell the word disaster for either of them. Their chins aren't considered great, and I'll take it to whoever lands the cleanest and harder shots to get the victory. I'll take a guess and say Lewis wins it.

Larry Holmes - Holmes is a great boxer and I think he would have what it takes to beat Lewis by decision. I see it being prett close but with Holmes getting the decision, in the end.

Sonny Liston - Say what you want about Liston but I think he's got what it takes to knock out Lewis. He's too heavy handed and I see his jab giving Lewis problems. Eventually, he'll get the knockout punch.

George Foreman - Foreman wins this one by knockout. Despite the Ali and Lyle fights, I think Foreman's showed a great chin throughout his career. I'll take him by a mid-round stoppage.

Evander Holyfield - Too bad these men didn't meet up in their prime. I can see it going either of them winning it by a close decision.

Rocky Marciano - As great as Marciano was, I can see Lewis winning it either by a late stoppage or a decision. Marciano just gives too much of a size advantage away and, although he's arguably the better puncher, he's not the better boxer.

Mike Tyson - This fight would be all wrong for Lewis. A young and prime Tyson was fast, slick and all too powerful. I see him stopping Lewis no further than the mid-rounds.

Joe Frazier - Although there's a big size advantage, I can see either of them winning this one. If Frazier doesn't stop him late, Lewis would.

Harry Wills - I won't give an outcome on him because I've seen only one piece of footage of him. That was around a one minute clip of him, while he was past his prime, against Paulino Uzcudun.

Jersey Joe Walcott - I can see Lewis winning this one by a late round stoppage. Lewis just simply had too much of a size advantage over him and he would eventually get to Walcott.
Good post mate

TheStoneRoses
01-11-2010, 02:20 AM
Good post mate
I think Earnie Shavers will probably knock Lewis out

TheStoneRoses
01-11-2010, 02:21 AM
Ali - Prime Ali too fast on his feet, wins a comfortable DC
Louis - Lewis KD's Louis, gets ****y, KO'd by a blistering 3 punch combo
Holmes - Larry gets KD'd but gets up to use his jab and take a SD
Foreman - 10 round version of the Lyle fight, George by KO
Johnson - Jack survives for 10 b4 getting KO'd in the 11th
Marciano - Lewis too rangey, Rock can't get inside, gets stopped on cuts 8th
Dempsey - Hurts Lewis to the body, but gets drilled by an uppercut in the 5th
Tyson - Prime Mike loses a close DC with no KD's
Frazier - Lewis fights of the back foot and closes Joe's eyes around the 11th
Walcott - Outscores Lewis until a big right bomb stretches him in the 6th
Wills - Most say Dempsey would'a beaten him, so I doubt he beats Lewis
Holyfield - 50/50 match in their primes, but Lewis shades it for me..
I disagree with you on Mike Tyson.....I reckon Tyson will win by Knockout in his prime....the first round of their fight you can clearly tell that Lewis was struggling when Tyson was rushing him

TheStoneRoses
01-11-2010, 02:22 AM
This should be a great thread if people can prevent it from turning into a shouting match. Lewis provides some really interesting match ups for fighters given his size and skill level. I think most of these fights would take quite a few paragraphs to really breakdown so I'll just give a very brief summary of why I'd pick who I would pick.

Vs. Ali: I think Ali wins fairly comfortable UD. Although Lewis has a great jab and is a good boxer I don't think his feet are quick enough for him to deal with Ali's constant circling and awkward angles. On a side note I think Prime Lewis would beat a Post-Prime Ali such as the one that fought in the Thrilla in Manilla that couldn't shuffle and move his feet very well.

Vs. Louis: I think Lewis would keep Louis at bay with his jab for a good portion of the fight but I think as the fight wore on Louis would begin to inflict quite a bit of punishment with the left hook to the body that would slow down Lewis. Eventually Lewis gets tagged by a Louis counterpunch that puts him out for the count. Still I wouldn't bet much money on this fight given that both men have excellent power and chins that have been known to give way at times.

Vs. Johnson: Lewis's size gives him the edge. Lewis uses his jab extensively to keep busy against Johnson. Lewis would struggle to land much other than his jab cleanly on Johnson but his reach keeps Johnson from mustering up much of an offense. He wins a clear but ugly UD with not many punches landed cleanly by either man. I'm afraid Johnson doesn't have the punch to really shake Lewis up either.

Vs. Dempsey: Dempsey tries to wade his way inside on Lewis but gets tattooed by jabs and right hands on his way inside. When he finally gets inside Lewis ties him up and pushes him away easily. Rinse and repeat for a few rounds and eventually a big enough punch clocks the courageous but outgunned Dempsey in the first 6 rounds.

Vs. Holmes: Lewis and Holmes put on a clinic on how to throw the jab. As good as Lewis's jab is Holmes's jab is faster and he works his angles a bit better than the slightly clumsy on his feet Lewis who gets out boxed in a competitive but clear UD. I don't think he could KO Holmes either which removes his punchers chance that he normally has against most other Heavyweights.

Vs. Liston: Very tough fight to judge. Liston and Lewis have the same reach and jabs so I'd imagine that that would be a wash. I think Lewis would effectively counterpunch Liston while Liston would try to overwhelm Lewis's attempt to turn the fight into a pure boxing match. As the fight wears on Lewis tires and Liston lands one of his left hooks cleanly on a tired Lewis and puts him to sleep for a late round KO.

Vs. Foreman: Lewis boxes Foreman's ears off and stymies Foreman's attempt to brawl in close quarters by tying him up. I think the main question would be if Foreman lands a bomb before he gets too battered by Lewis. I think this fight could go either way but I would fancy Lewis in most cases to chop Young Foreman down before the bomb lands. Also I might be in the minority here but I think Foreman may get intimidated by the bigger Lewis when he finds out he canít push him around and actually finds himself getting pushed around by a man bigger than him.

Vs. Holyfield: Just like their fights went. Lewis in a razor thin decision.

Vs. Marciano: Way too much of a size difference here for Marciano to make up for. Lewis batters around Marciano as he tries to come inside then ties him up and batters him up some more when he gets there as he ties him up and mauls him. I don't think this is a very good style match up for Rocky as I don't think he has the defensive skills to box with Lewis and is at too much of a disadvantage to try and fight inside without getting tied up and battered around. Iíll take Lewis by a wide UD or late stoppage.

Vs. Tyson: I don't see Lewis being able to move his feet well enough to keep Tyson away from him as I don't picture him being able to hit Tyson with his jab easily. Personally I think a lot of Tyson's greatness is lost due to people focusing only on his flashy knockouts but in his prime he was a very good defensive boxer who was hard to hit. Back on point, Lewis gets clocked by a Tyson left hook and KO'd before the half-way point in the fight as he never finds an effective way to keep Tyson away from him.

Vs. Frazier: Lewis establishes his jab early and rides it to a UD. He keeps Joe at bay with straight punches and when Joe finally gets inside is clinched and pushed away easily. Eventually Joe eats too many straight right hands and stiff jabs and the fight is stopped after a raging Joe Frazier's face is too bloodied to continue. I think Joe might have problems trying to land his hook on Lewis with the height disparity taking some of the steam off his punch.

Vs. Willis: I have only seen highlights of Willis fights and doubt I could make a worthwhile prediction on how the fight would turn out without watching much more film.

Vs. Walcott: Lewis outboxes the game Walcott using his jab and reach to gain a clear advantage throughout the fight. Walcott has his momentís landing some straight rights off counters but he never solves the riddle of Lewis's jab. Lewis wins a clear UD in a good action fight.

Also someone mentioned Wlad but I think Lewis would cold-clock Wlad fairly easily as he has the better jab and better counter-punching skills and I don't think his chin is nearly as brittle.
A Post Prime Ali will still beat Lewis.......FACT

Yaman
01-11-2010, 03:57 AM
Muhammed Ali- I really don't think Ali ever faced a huge guy like Lewis with such skills, neither has Lewis faced a rare fighter like an Ali. Either way, size will not play a factor here, and I must say Lewis will have problems with guys who can outjab him. Ali and Holmes by UD.
Joe Louis- Lewis would have to be careful. I see Louis breaking him down and stopping him in the mid rounds.
Jack Johnson- Era's too diffirent. Can't really say.
Jack Dempsey- Lewis jabs him to death and ko's Dempsey.
Larry Holmes- The jab will be the key factor. I see Holmes winning this.
Sonny Liston- Again the jab. I think Sonny would beat Lewis up to be honest.
George Foreman- I saw what Briggs almost did to lewis. Foreman would finish it and his left jab would bother him worse than Frank Bruno did.
Evander Holyfield- I actually think a prime Evander has it in him to beat Lewis. Their second fight was remarkable. Either way it would be close.
Rocky Marciano- I really hate to say this, but I can't see Rocky overcoming the physical diffirences. Lewis by stoppage.
Mike Tyson- What i'm wondering is if Tyson can keep up a long enough pace to win enough rounds. It is very very tiring and difficult for Tyson to win rounds against Lewis. Meanwhile Lewis can coast and lean on Mike. But watching the Tucker vs tyson fight, I think a young Tyson was in good enough shape. UD loss for Lewis.
Joe Frazier- I doubt Frazier would be able to get to Lewis. Lewis by stoppage.
Joe Walcott- Walcott would eventually get caught and Lewis had one hell of a punch.

Great thread Poet. I liked it, made me really think about it a few times.

Marcov
01-11-2010, 04:57 AM
Lewis could have done against the majority of the heavyweight champs. I think boxers like Ali and Holmes would have troubled him because even though he was a good boxer he wasn't the lightest on his feet. I also think powerful guys in their prime like Tyson, Foreman, Liston and Louis would have been a nightmare for him.

mickey malone
01-11-2010, 06:20 AM
I disagree with you on Mike Tyson.....I reckon Tyson will win by Knockout in his prime....the first round of their fight you can clearly tell that Lewis was struggling when Tyson was rushing him
My heart agrees with your head my friend, i'm a much bigger fan of Mike than i am Lewis, but as good as he was, Tyson didn't quite have it mentally..
For sure, the up & coming (D'Amato/Rooney trained) Tyson would have destroyed the rising Lewis, but that was opportunity missed as far as i'm concerned because prime 4 prime, i'd take Lewis to win the rounds Tucker couldn't (if you get my drift)
Lewis would'a been on the ball for this one, and i'd take him to be a tadge too smart on the night.. Be a very close affair though, and i wouldn't put my house on it..

Ziggy Stardust
01-11-2010, 11:48 AM
Great thread Poet. I liked it, made me really think about it a few times.

I wanted to see what kind of answers would come up without the "hatchet jobs" that have been done whenever these kind of threads have been posted. So far all the replies have been reasonable and well thought out in the best traditions of the Boxing History Section. I can't ask for better than that.

PS. The usual smear merchant suspects have been blocked from posting in this thread which has contibuted greatlty to the quality of responses :)

Poet

GameGod
01-11-2010, 01:11 PM
Muhammad Ali: Ali Wins UD
Joe Louis: Lewis Wins KO in 10
Jack Johnson: Lewis Wins KO in 10
Jack Dempsey: Lewis Wins KO in 6
Larry Holmes: Holmes Wins SD
Sonny Liston: Lewis Wins SD
George Foreman: Lewis Wins UD
Evander Holyfield: Lewis Wins MD
Rocky Marciano: Lewis Wins KO in 10
Mike Tyson: Tyson Wins KO in 8
Joe Frazier: Lewis Wins SD/Frazier Wins SD
Harry Wills: Lewis Wins KO in 5
Joe Walcott: Lewis Wins KO in 8

My thoughts.

Earl Hickey
01-11-2010, 04:10 PM
With fighters at this level it's always going to be fairly subjective, all of them have the ability to beat all the others

Bigdaddy_Vh
01-11-2010, 04:49 PM
Muhammad Ali - UD. Too fleet footed/fisted for Lewis

Joe Louis - I would see Lewis as having way too much of a natural athletic advantage over Louis. Louis could POSSIBLY catch him early but i see Lewis by UD or late KO

Jack Johnson - Lewis by Late KO-too athletic for a lumbering Johnson

Jack Dempsey - I feel like Dempsey would be way too small to beat Lewis, though he definately had the power to KO him if he could catch him. Lewis by KO.

Larry Holmes - I pick Holmes by close UD in a fantastic fight

Sonny Liston - Constant pressure from Liston would eventually wear down Lewis and Sonny would get a late KO.

George Foreman - I think Lewis' technical skill prevails here as he cruises to a UD. Cant count out George for a KO though.

Evander Holyfield - Prime for Prime this would have been a war. Pick em fight

Rocky Marciano - Lewis is too big for Marciano. Lewis by UD.

Mike Tyson - Lewis stumbles early but(if he isnt KO'd early) eventually slows the pace down and stops Tyson late.

Joe Frazier - I think, again, Lewis is simply too big for Smokin Joe. Lewis by KO

Harry Wills - no opinion here

Jersey Joe Walcott - Lewis has too many physical advantages here. Too big, too strong. Lewis by late KO

Joeyzagz
01-11-2010, 05:42 PM
In Prime Lennox Lewis Versus In Prime:

Muhammed Ali
Joe Louis
Jack Johnson
Jack Dempsey
Larry Holmes
Sonny Liston
George Foreman
Evander Holyfield
Rocky Marciano
Mike Tyson
Joe Frazier
Harry Wills
Joe Walcott

Your thoughts Gentlemen?

Poet

I cant say with certainty because one or two of them might get lucky. But if there was a heavyweight tournament where every heavyweight had to fight every other heavyweight Lennox would come out on top.

T3dBundy
01-11-2010, 06:41 PM
I cant say with certainty because one or two of them might get lucky. But if there was a heavyweight tournament where every heavyweight had to fight every other heavyweight Lennox would come out on top.

u should watch the mccall fight and then imagine what sonny liston with his 86" reach could have done to lennox.
he wouldnt come out on top in my opinion, his chin wouldnt allow that :D

Joeyzagz
01-11-2010, 07:07 PM
u should watch the mccall fight and then imagine what sonny liston with his 86" reach could have done to lennox.
he wouldnt come out on top in my opinion, his chin wouldnt allow that :D

In a tournament where great fighters are fighting other great fighters, Lennox would defeat every single one! His only two losses were against opponents he overlooked. Hes not going to overlook Liston. And even if Liston gets lucky, the rematch Liston gets KTFO.

Lennox defeated every fighter he ever faced proffesionaly and would do the same if he fought the all-time greats.

dagrtst
01-11-2010, 07:09 PM
In a tournament where great fighters are fighting other great fighters, Lennox would defeat every single one! His only two losses were against opponents he overlooked. Hes not going to overlook Liston. And even if Liston gets lucky, the rematch Liston gets KTFO.

Lennox defeated every fighter he ever faced proffesionaly and would do the same if he fought the all-time greats.

Let me know when you wake up.

Ziggy Stardust
01-11-2010, 07:50 PM
In a tournament where great fighters are fighting other great fighters, Lennox would defeat every single one! His only two losses were against opponents he overlooked. Hes not going to overlook Liston. And even if Liston gets lucky, the rematch Liston gets KTFO.

Lennox defeated every fighter he ever faced proffesionaly and would do the same if he fought the all-time greats.

:ugh: Maybe I should have added "No Delusional Nuthuggers Please" to the thread title. :thinking: Good well thought out responces from the posters up until this joker :killyou:

Poet

GJC
01-12-2010, 09:24 AM
I think one point re Lewis Marciano has been overlooked. Whilst the size difference gives Marciano a lot of problems one of Lewis faults to my mind is he did like to coast in fights, it nearly cost him the 2nd Holyfield fight IMO. Now one thing with Marciano is he was a very active fighter and threw as many punches in the 15th round as the 1st. Cuts might be a problem but assuming the fight is back in Marciano's era cuts wont be such a factor. So does Lewis KO Marciano? No one ever did so you can only speculate.
So could Lewis outwork Marciano for 12/15 very high tempo rounds and keep his concentration up for that length of time, if Rahman and McCall can knock out Lewis Marciano can.
Remember Walcott boxed the ears off Marciano for 12 rounds and made one mistake.
Food for thought?

Boss Don
01-12-2010, 10:04 AM
Louis
Dempsey
Liston
Marciano
Frazier
Wills
Walcott will all get knocked out

Ali
Holmes
Holyfield would win a decsion

Johnson
Foreman
Tyson would KO Lewis

T3dBundy
01-12-2010, 10:04 AM
I think one point re Lewis Marciano has been overlooked. Whilst the size difference gives Marciano a lot of problems one of Lewis faults to my mind is he did like to coast in fights, it nearly cost him the 2nd Holyfield fight IMO. Now one thing with Marciano is he was a very active fighter and threw as many punches in the 15th round as the 1st. Cuts might be a problem but assuming the fight is back in Marciano's era cuts wont be such a factor. So does Lewis KO Marciano? No one ever did so you can only speculate.
So could Lewis outwork Marciano for 12/15 very high tempo rounds and keep his concentration up for that length of time, if Rahman and McCall can knock out Lewis Marciano can.
Remember Walcott boxed the ears off Marciano for 12 rounds and made one mistake.
Food for thought?


marciano would lose 10 out of 10 fights against lennox lewis.
it needs boxers like ali and liston to beat a prime lewis.
marciano was barely 5'10" and had a 67" reach.
he just had 7 title fights, thats it.
an old jersey joe walcott was beating marciano until he got lucky, a prime lennox would have finished marciano that night pretty easy.
lennox 240LBS, rocky 185 LBS, its rly not fair..

Boss Don
01-12-2010, 10:10 AM
Lennox defeated every fighter he ever faced proffesionaly

thats what i tell people all the time when they try to hate on Lewis and beat all the heavyweights of his era and Riddick Bowe who ducked Lewis he knocked out in the amatures

The_Demon
01-12-2010, 10:14 AM
lewis at his consumate best would have a chance against anyone

the only guys id heavily favour to beat him are foreman,ali

its 50/50 with guys like frazier,holmes,louis imo

Cassius Liston
01-12-2010, 10:24 AM
lewis at his consumate best would have a chance against anyone

the only guys id heavily favour to beat him are foreman,ali

its 50/50 with guys like frazier,holmes,louis imo

Prime Tyson would have destroyed Lewis

The_Demon
01-12-2010, 10:29 AM
Prime Tyson would have destroyed Lewis

i disagree,if they fought 3 times lewis would win twice

wmute
01-12-2010, 11:54 AM
**** this thread will steal hours from my life, I will now want to read and then give my 2 cents. More like 10 cents.

Ziggy Stardust
01-12-2010, 06:51 PM
**** this thread will steal hours from my life, I will now want to read and then give my 2 cents. More like 10 cents.

That was the general idea :D

Poet

Ziggy Stardust
01-13-2010, 12:36 PM
**** this thread will steal hours from my life, I will now want to read and then give my 2 cents. More like 10 cents.

Don't tease Mute: I'm dying to see your take on them :)

Poet

wmute
01-13-2010, 12:58 PM
Don't tease Mute: I'm dying to see your take on them :)

Poet

Poet, man. You want us all fired?

I will start next week when work gets less busy. Actually this is the first I saw, but the least interesting to me (never been much of a hw person). I think I will start with Hopkins-Monzon. Hope all is good with you.

Ziggy Stardust
01-13-2010, 01:48 PM
Poet, man. You want us all fired?

I will start next week when work gets less busy. Actually this is the first I saw, but the least interesting to me (never been much of a hw person). I think I will start with Hopkins-Monzon. Hope all is good with you.

That's cool! :) I thought of these to get the good posters here involved again without the douchebags mucking things up. I got the feeling with all the spam threads/posts of late Boxing History's heavy hitters were staying away for the most part. You know the threads/posts I'm talking about: "Robinson Was Overrated", "Frazier Ducked Punchers", "Lennox Is The 97th Greatest Heavyweight" ect. ect. ect..... :ugh:

Poet