Just another idiotic statement by Roy Jones Jr. Perhaps back to back KO losses gave Jones permanent brain damage.

http://www.oreolcon.com/klitschko/albums/ChrisByrd/36_Chris_Byrd_phpto_494.jpg
What an idiot.

I was surprised that Roy Jones Jr was only HBO commentator that actually had some respect for James. I for some reason thought that Roy Jones Jr hated Toney, because Toney slags him off all the time.

The impression I had was HBO is trying to set-up a Toney-Byrd showdown, possibly in Michigan.

....Oh yeah, it sounded like that's exactly what they want. Of course the first thing out of Toney's mouth was Vitali. Everybody wants the real champ but if they can't get it then they will settle for second best.

The impression I had was HBO is trying to set-up a Toney-Byrd showdown, possibly in Michigan.
ye i thik your right
good post

They were definitely hyping up Chris Byrd there is no question about that maybe as part of their plot to set up Byrd vs Toney.

Looks like Roy had more than his share of fair blows to the head.
But, perhaps what he meant is that fighting Klitschko and not getting ko'ed is something to be proud about.

Looks like Roy had more than his share of fair blows to the head.
But, perhaps what he meant is that fighting Klitschko and not getting ko'ed is something to be proud about.

Yeah hopefully that's what he meant, but Byrd came pretty close to being stopped by his own corner against Wlad.

http://www.oreolcon.com/klitschko/albums/ChrisByrd/36_Chris_Byrd_phpto_475.jpg

The impression I had was HBO is trying to set-up a Toney-Byrd showdown, possibly in Michigan.

HBO or Roy Jones Jr.? Lampley was the one who stepped in and had to set Roy straight.

Perhaps he meant that Byrd had his own way with them up the bum?

Perhaps he meant that Byrd had his own way with them up the bum?


No No No, that he really meant was the the Klitchco's arne't anything. Chris Bryd and Toney are the true champs, I could have kicked either of their asses. Thus I am the true Heavyweight champion of the world!

No No No, that he really meant was the the Klitchco's arne't anything. Chris Bryd and Toney are the true champs, I could have kicked either of their asses. Thus I am the true Heavyweight champion of the world!Thanks for pointing it out, Joe. I genuinely believed he meant that Byrd had bummed them, my bad...

Jones wanted no part of Byrd at Heavy. A slick, savvy southpaw would have made him look bad even if he won. Roy was all about trying to look good.

As for the Klits, Byrd really doesn't stand a chance against them. The one thing he had was his slickness, and that's fading. He's actually beefing up now in an attempt to make up for it. It will be interesting to see if it affects his endurance in his next fight.

I would like to see a Toney v Byrd fight. They are both skilled fighters, though I have to give the slightest of edges to Byrd if the new beefiness doesn't slow him down even more.

Thanks for pointing it out, Joe. I genuinely believed he meant that Byrd had bummed them, my bad...

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Hurtfull but......delifull.

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Wow, Neuraxis, pull your head out of your ass long enough to watch what he said. He misspoke and Lampley asked him to repeat himself upon which time he said what he meat, which was that he felt Toney would handle the Klitschkos, and that Byrd beat Vitali (which he did, although Vitali was winning).

Roy did not mean that Byrd whupped Wladimir, and he corrected himself on that. Pay attention next time, buddy.

Wow, Neuraxis, pull your head out of your ass long enough to watch what he said. He misspoke and Lampley asked him to repeat himself upon which time he said what he meat, which was that he felt Toney would handle the Klitschkos, and that Byrd beat Vitali (which he did, although Vitali was winning).

Roy did not mean that Byrd whupped Wladimir, and he corrected himself on that. Pay attention next time, buddy.

How did I know that you would come to Jones's rescue? After Lampley put the words into his mouth about Wlad dominating Byrd, Jones said, "He (Byrd) did his thing against the first Klitschko guy (implying that Byrd really dominated Vitali). They went home and studied him, and of course they came back and knew how to deal with him (because Vitali won 8 of the 9 rounds, Wladimir improved to win 12 out of 12 rounds, LOL)." But then again, maybe according to you, doing your thing in fight means losing 8 out 9 rounds, screaming out high pitched woahs whenever you get hit, and only winning because the other fighter suffered a career ending injury.

How did I know that you would come to Jones's rescue? After Lampley put the words into his mouth about Wlad dominating Byrd, Jones said, "He (Byrd) did his thing against the first Klitschko guy (implying that Byrd really dominated Vitali). They went home and studied him, and of course they came back and knew how to deal with him (because Vitali won 8 of the 9 rounds, Wladimir improved to win 12 out of 12 rounds, LOL)." But then again, maybe according to you, doing your thing in fight means losing 8 out 9 rounds, screaming out high pitched woahs whenever you get hit, and only winning because the other fighter suffered a career ending injury.

1) Don't act like you are psychic. You are not. I could just as easily say, "How did I know that you would start a thread dissing Roy?"

2) "Doing his thing" can be interpreted many different ways.

3) You need to seriously learnto say something positive. Your complete negative attitude towards fighters (aside from Klitschkos) makes you come off like an *******. I like the Klitschkos, but you need to realize there are other fighters out there to respect. Starting a thread just to dis someone is something you do too often.

2) "Doing his thing" can be interpreted many different ways.

So at least you and Roy Jones Jr. have the same interpretation of "doing his thing" while Jim Lampley as well as the rest of world seem to hold my interpretation of it.

"He (Byrd) did his thing against the first Klitschko guy (implying that Byrd really dominated Vitali).


I would take that to mean that Byrd "did his thing" and kept pressing despite being behind on the cards until Vitali Quit, thus ending up the winner of that fight.

But then again a lot of people around here don't accept/believe that Vitali really lost to Byrd.

So at least you and Roy Jones Jr. have the same interpretation of "doing his thing" while Jim Lampley as well as the rest of world seem to hold my interpretation of it.

I'm gonna burst your bubble a little bit. I am not the only one who thinks that, as evidenced by the previous response by Bozo no no and others. What makes your opinion so founded? It certainly cannot be that the "whole world" agrees with you. Lampley only questioned that Roy would say Byrd did his thing vs Wladimir, which Roy never meant to imply. So Lampley even doesn't really see it the way you do either.

You seem to be saying Roy said Byrd dominated both Klitschkos, while Lampley was only questioning Roy when he thought Roy was implying that Byrd had his way with Wladimir, which of course Roy said he meant Toney would have his way with them.

Watch the tape again.

As far as doing his thing vs Vitali, read Bozo's post.

Roy used the Byrd victory over Vitali as an analogy as to why either Klitschko would be easy for Toney???? He as a former fighter should have had more sense than to even mention the Byrd victory like it was a legitamite win!!!! In his eyes, only Rahman poses a threat to Toney in the whole division?? The same Rahman who lost to an older Holyfield, Ruiz, Maskaev........... But the Klitschko's would be an easy fight for 5'9" James Toney?? HBO hired this man as an expert analyst?

Neurosis or whatever, you're just plain...being a Jones hater clearly.

Byrd held his own against the Klitschkos despite the huge size difference and the probability that Byrd was drugged in Germany.

Jones pointed this out. Wlad was thought to be the better of the brothers and yes he beat Byrd, but then the HBO agenda of shoving the Klitschkos down our throats was turned on its head when Wlad got his ass knocked out in 2 rounds by Sanders. Lucky for HBO, Wlad had a brother who had been majorly in Wlad's shadow. Come on, nobody gave a **** really about Vitali until Wladimir lost. Then HBO flipped the script and said Vitali was the REAL contender. But Byrd already has the win over Vitali.

Also, HBO wants Vitali vs. Rahman right now. And clearly they want Toney vs. Byrd. Toney just had his match. Byrd needs an opponent. Rahman will likely wait around for Vitali. The logical choice for the big opponent was the winner of Ruiz vs. Toney. So Jones was going in that direction. Also, I'm pretty confident that Jones just doesn't buy the Klitschko hype and thinks they're a joke, which, really, they are.

Jones is also a visionary of sorts. He holds a win over Toney. Every good thing that happens to Toney also indirectly benefits Jones. And there's always the crazy possibility of a rematch. Imagine it. The two former middleweights that beat the heavyweight everyone hated get it on at heavyweight for a huge rematch. **** like that is easy to sell.

You really think Toney wouldn't beat Vitali? I'm not saying he'd demolish him, but only b/c Vitali is so huge. Toney would completely out manuever Vitali. Byrd might be slick, but he's not at the level of Toney in that regard.

Roy has proved his insight and expertise on the sport on boxing many times. He likes Toney a lot obviously, and he is entitled to hos own opinion.

It would not be unreasonable to say that Toney could fair well vs the Klitschkos because they are tall and he can see their punches coming from a mile away. Although I feel differently and you do too, that does not mean Roy's opinion is stupid. He kows more than you and me combined.

"Byrd held his own against the Klitschkos despite the huge size difference and the probability that Byrd was drugged in Germany. "

If you consider getting the living **** kicked out of you "holding your own" then Byrd did that against Wlad.

"Byrd held his own against the Klitschkos despite the huge size difference and the probability that Byrd was drugged in Germany. "

If you consider getting the living **** kicked out of you "holding your own" then Byrd did that against Wlad.


Byrd's not a "Natural" Heavyweight.

For him to have fought both Klitschkos in Germany and to have come away 1-1 and not get stopped says something on its own.

The Klitschko's are super Heavyweights, and Byrd is a small Heavyweight.

I think it's fair to say he held his own.

Say what you will about Byrd, he's a gutsy fighter for his size.

Neurosis or whatever, you're just plain...being a Jones hater clearly.

Byrd held his own against the Klitschkos despite the huge size difference and the probability that Byrd was drugged in Germany.

This is where I stopped reading. What a waste of time.

Neurosis or whatever, you're just plain...being a Jones hater clearly.

Byrd held his own against the Klitschkos despite the huge size difference and the probability that Byrd was drugged in Germany.

Jones pointed this out. Wlad was thought to be the better of the brothers and yes he beat Byrd, but then the HBO agenda of shoving the Klitschkos down our throats was turned on its head when Wlad got his ass knocked out in 2 rounds by Sanders. Lucky for HBO, Wlad had a brother who had been majorly in Wlad's shadow. Come on, nobody gave a **** really about Vitali until Wladimir lost. Then HBO flipped the script and said Vitali was the REAL contender. But Byrd already has the win over Vitali.

Also, HBO wants Vitali vs. Rahman right now. And clearly they want Toney vs. Byrd. Toney just had his match. Byrd needs an opponent. Rahman will likely wait around for Vitali. The logical choice for the big opponent was the winner of Ruiz vs. Toney. So Jones was going in that direction. Also, I'm pretty confident that Jones just doesn't buy the Klitschko hype and thinks they're a joke, which, really, they are.

Jones is also a visionary of sorts. He holds a win over Toney. Every good thing that happens to Toney also indirectly benefits Jones. And there's always the crazy possibility of a rematch. Imagine it. The two former middleweights that beat the heavyweight everyone hated get it on at heavyweight for a huge rematch. **** like that is easy to sell.

You really think Toney wouldn't beat Vitali? I'm not saying he'd demolish him, but only b/c Vitali is so huge. Toney would completely out manuever Vitali. Byrd might be slick, but he's not at the level of Toney in that regard.
Byrd got his ass handed to him against both Klitschkos, luckily VK sustained an injury and couldn't finish a fight he was clearly winning. If Byrd was so confident in beating either of the Klits, we would have seen rematches by now. As for Toney, if he gets in the ring with VK, he will lose. VK could win the fight just by jabbing. I guess all you Toney nuthuggers thought Kirk Johnson's short, fat-ass(sound familiar?) would KO Vitali as well.

Bird looked like a complete clown against both Klitschkos. Very silly statements by Roy Jones. Either one would have done the same to Jones too.

Sorry, meant Bird not Toney.

hahahaha, we'll see. It'll be very funny...well too bad Toney won't even get to face Vitali since Rahman'll knock him out first.

So you're unveiled as a Klitschko lover, which makes you gay. If you like gay people, I consider you gay. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/masterdirector/queerschkos.bmp

hahahaha, we'll see. It'll be very funny...well too bad Toney won't even get to face Vitali since Rahman'll knock him out first.


What!? Outrageous! I'm not gay... though I do like that picture :wank:

BTW- Rahman may very well knock out Klit. Or Klit might do an Oleg Maskaev on his ass. Has Vitali ever even visited the canvas. Not to my recollection.

The History of Cris Byrd vs. The Klitschko's

Byrd / Vitali
WBO Heavyweight Title
Referee: Genaro Rodriguez
Judge: Melvina Lathan 83-88
Judge: Ruben Garcia 82-89
Judge: Joachim Jacobsen 83-88
All for Vitali at the stoppage

In the second round Vitali felt a sudden pain in his left shoulder, which became stronger in the third round. Boxing practically with one arm during next six rounds (and leading on the score cards), Vitali refused to continue the fight in the tenth round because of an unbearable pain in his left shoulder. The ring referee announced Chris Byrd's victory with a technical knockout in the 10th round. As it was found out later on, the tendon fastening Vitali's left shoulder could not sustain the strain and ripped. Four days later Vitali's shoulder was surgically repaired, which resulted in an eight-month period layoff.

Byrd / Wladimir
WBO Heavyweight Title
Referee: Lou Moret
Judge: William Lerch 106-120
Judge: Axel Zielke 107-119
Judge: Cesar Ramos 108-118
Byrd down in 9th and 11th.
All for Wladimir

Wladimir dominated his opponent in each of the twelve rounds. After the second round, a large haematome fully closed Chris Byrd's left eye. In the ninth (2:32) and the eleventh (1:25) rounds Wladimir knocked Byrd down. When the twelfth round finished the referees unanimously announced Wladimir's victory.

I'm not sure what Roy Jones was trying to say. He often doesn't make sense and is much better boxing than talking about it.

Regarding Toney vs. the Klitschko's

Toney is a great inside fighter, the Klitschko's are master outside fighters. Toney has to get around their outside fighting strength before he can use his strength of fighting inside - giving the Klitschko's an advantage.

Toney's fought "3" heavyweight fights. An elderly Holyfield, a nobody Booker, and Ruiz who now has a reputation of loosing to former middleweights. Compare that to Vitali's 37 or Wladimir's 47 heavyweight fights.

Toney is 5'9". I believe the tallest opponent he ever faced was 6'3" and most of his opponents were much shorter, Vitali is 6'8". Wladimir is 6'6 1/2". The height difference between Vitali and Toney is nearly a foot! There are no facts to suggest Toney can compete with someone of Vitali or Wladimir's stature while the Klitschko's have made careers of beating shorter opponents.

Toney's performance was impressive against Ruiz and he would have a chance against Vitali or Wladimir, but I think Toney's toughness combined with his physical and style mismatch against the Klitschko's would result in Toney taking the beating of a lifetime against either of the brothers.

Torino, thank you for writing the words you wrote. I read them, and it tells me that Vitali truly beat Byrd. I wish he did not get hurt. If Vitali did not get hurt, he would have a perfect record today. Vitali will be very difficult to beat forever! Vitali is the best champion! Thank you again Torino!

Torino, thank you for writing the words you wrote. I read them, and it tells me that Vitali truly beat Byrd. I wish he did not get hurt. If Vitali did not get hurt, he would have a perfect record today. Vitali will be very difficult to beat forever! Vitali is the best champion! Thank you again Torino!


Vitali DID NOT beat Byrd.

He gave up his title because he was in discomfort.

Thats a resounding LOSS.


Evander Holyfield suffered the same injury in the 1st round, and fought 11 more rounds in a losing effort.

Vitali LOST that fight to Byrd.

Why are there so many of you that can't come to terms with that?

He LOST to Byrd and he LOST to Lewis.

Those were the two biggest fights of his career, and he LOST them both.

After that, the biggest actual wins he has are agaisnt Larry Donald and Kirk Johnson.

Vitali DID NOT beat Byrd.

He gave up his title because he was in discomfort.

Thats a resounding LOSS.


Evander Holyfield suffered the same injury in the 1st round, and fought 11 more rounds in a losing effort.

Vitali LOST that fight to Byrd.

Why are there so many of you that can't come to terms with that?

He LOST to Byrd and he LOST to Lewis.

Those were the two biggest fights of his career, and he LOST them both.

After that, the biggest actual wins he has are agaisnt Larry Donald and Kirk Johnson.

Vitali has outboxed every opponent he has ever faced. Vitali has always left the ring feeling better than his opponent. None of Vitali's opponents have ever had the courage to rematch Vitali. I think that means something very great!

Vitali has never been behind on the score cards at the stoppage or at any point of any of his fights including his "losses" to Byrd and Lewis.

That's what I look for in a champion.

No other top HW can say that. Not Byrd....... not even Lewis.

Vitali has never been behind on the score cards at the stoppage or at any point of any of his fights including his "losses" to Byrd and Lewis.




That's like saying he was winning right up until he LOST.

Who cares if he's never been behind on the score cards. Look at who he's fought for the most part. LOOK at his resume before he fought Lewis.


Vitali has outboxed every opponent he has ever faced. Vitali has always left the ring feeling better than his opponent.

Unfortunatly FIGHTING is part of the game. And when you're in discomfort and have to quit, or when your face has been split open to the point where long term damage could come into play, you LOSE.

Its wins and losses, and there are too many people out there that Praise Vitali as a heroic undisputed champion when the fact is he's just one of three unproven title holders in one of the weakest points in the history of the Heavyweight division.

You can sugar coat and twist the wording anyway you'd like, that fact remains:

Vitali Klitschko has LOST the two biggest fights of his career agaisnt the two biggest names he's fought: Chris Byrd and Lennox Lewis.

Despite your unaproval, or what you think would happen if Vitali fights this guy or the other guy,

his biggest most noteworthy wins are against Larry Donald, a 260lb Kirk Johnson, and a 39 year old out of shape Corrie Sanders.

That validates NONE of the overflowing acclaim that floods this forum.

Vitali Klitschko is a large unproven Heavyweight atop a VERY WEAK heavyweight division.

That's like saying he didn't win right up until he LOST.

Who cares if he's never been behind on the score cards. Look at who he's fought for the most part. LOOK at his resume before he fought Lewis.




Unfortunatly FIGHTING is part of the game.

Its wins and losses, and there are too many people out there that Praise Vitali as a heroic undisputed champion when the fact is he's just one of three unproven title holders in one of the weakest points in the history of the Heavyweight division.

You can sugar coat and twist the wording anyway you'd like, that fact remains:

Vitali Klitschko has LOST the two biggest fights of his career agaisnt the two biggest names he's fought: Chris Byrd and Lennox Lewis.

Despite your unaproval, or what you thinkwould happen if Vitali fights this guy or the other guy,

his biggest most noteworthy wins are against Larry Donald, a 260lb Kirk Johnson, and a 39 year old out of shape Corrie Sanders.

That validates NONE of the overflowing acclaim that floods this forum.

Vitali Klitschko is an large unproven Heavyweight atop a VERY WEAK heavyweight division.
???????............HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHA.........!

Well.......This is your opinion and who am I to question it ? ............Most of what you said is opinion and not fact. I for one, never denied he lost.

......ENJOY.......!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!

And you will find something wrong with eveyone he fights from now on as well.

Lets see.... Byrd has no power, Ruiz lost to two middleweights, Toney is to short and fat, Barrett is a nobody, .........Old ...........Fat..........no power.......... no skill............. drugged..........a nobody.........and so on!

Just because you don't like him, doesn't mean I can't enjoy his 97% KO ratio

Judges in Germany, mind you. And for those that think "Oh, well the judge wasn't necessarily from Germany" it doesn't matter. Judges are appointed by the sanctioning bodies. The fight was Universum promoted. So the sanctioning body in question would've been paid by Universum. The Klitschkos were a huge draw. Byrd can't sell out in his home town, let alone years ago in Germany.

Sanctioning bodies take a 3 percent cut of both fighters purses. Say Klitschkos made $10 million a piece to fight Byrd and Byrd made $500,000 to fight them. If the Klitschkos win, they stay marketable and its another 10 million payday and such for them, which means 3 percent of that 10 million keeps going to the sanctioning bodies. Or, they can get 3 percent of 500,000 to 1 million from Byrd, no matter who he fought. It was more lucurative for the sanctioning bodies to award the fights to the Klitsckos, even without actual bribery occuring.

Bottom line, Byrd HAD to knock the Klitschkos out in order to win. Byrd knocking anybody out is kind of unlikely. Let alone super heavyweights like those guys. I'm not saying he did or didn't actually beat either of them, I"m just pointing this out, that even had he won every single round against both, he still would've been ****ed on scorecards.

Just because you don't like him, doesn't mean I can't enjoy his 97% KO ratio


Hey, who am I to rain on your parade.

Here you go, enjoy:

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2004
Dec 11 Danny Williams WBC Title defence W KO 8
Apr 24 Corrie Sanders Vacant WBC HW Title W TKO 8
2003
Dec 6 Kirk Johnson WBC HW T Eliminator W TKO 2
June 21 Lennox Lewis WBC/IBO HW Title L TKO 6
2002
Nov 23 Larry Donald WBA Int'l HW Title W TKO 10
Feb 8 Vaughn Bean WBA Int'l HW Title W TKO 11
2001
Dec 8 Ross Puritty WBA Int'l HW Title W TKO 11
Jan 27 Orlin Norris Vacant WBA Int'l HW T W KO 1
2000
Nov 25 Timo Hoffman Vacant European (EBU) Heavyweight Title W UD 12
Apr 1 Chris Byrd WBO Heavyweight Title L TKO 10
1999
Dec 11 Obed Sullivan WBO Heavyweight Title W TKO 10
Oct 9 Ed Mahone WBO Heavyweight Title W TKO 3
June 26 Herbie Hide WBO Heavyweight Title W KO 2
Feb 20 Ismael John Youla European (EBU) HW T W TKO 2
1998
Dec 5 Francesco Spinelli European (EBU) HW T W TKO 1
Oct 24 Mario Schlesser Vacant European (EBU) Heavyweight Title W TKO 2
Aug 11 Ricardo Kennedy W TKO 1
June 5 Jose Ribalta W TKO 2
May 2 Dicky Ryan Vacant WBO Intercontinental HW T W TKO 5
Apr 18 Julius Francis W TKO 2
Mar 20 Levi Billups W KO 2
Mar 7 Louis Monaco W KO 3
Jan 30 Alben Belinski W KO 2
Jan 17 Marcus Rhode W TKO 2
1997
Dec 20 Anthony Willis W KO 5
Nov 29 Herman Delgado W TKO 3
Nov 8 Gilberto Williamson W KO 6
Oct 4 Will Hinton W KO 2
June 14 Jimmy Haynes W KO 2
May 10 Cleveland Woods W KO 2
Apr 12 Derrick Roddy W TKO 2
Mar 8 Calvin Jones W KO 1
Feb 22 Troy Roberts W KO 2
Jan 26 Mike Acklie W KO 1
1996
Dec 21 Brian Sargent W TKO 2
Nov 30 Frantisek Sumina W TKO 1
Nov 16 Tony Bradham WBA/IBF Heavy Title W KO 2

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I put his losses in red, and noteworthy (I use that term loosely) wins in blue.

A 97% rate over that opposition is mighty impressive indeed.

Judges in Germany, mind you. And for those that think "Oh, well the judge wasn't necessarily from Germany" it doesn't matter. Judges are appointed by the sanctioning bodies. The fight was Universum promoted. So the sanctioning body in question would've been paid by Universum. The Klitschkos were a huge draw. Byrd can't sell out in his home town, let alone years ago in Germany.

Sanctioning bodies take a 3 percent cut of both fighters purses. Say Klitschkos made $10 million a piece to fight Byrd and Byrd made $500,000 to fight them. If the Klitschkos win, they stay marketable and its another 10 million payday and such for them, which means 3 percent of that 10 million keeps going to the sanctioning bodies. Or, they can get 3 percent of 500,000 to 1 million from Byrd, no matter who he fought. It was more lucurative for the sanctioning bodies to award the fights to the Klitsckos, even without actual bribery occuring.

Bottom line, Byrd HAD to knock the Klitschkos out in order to win. Byrd knocking anybody out is kind of unlikely. Let alone super heavyweights like those guys. I'm not saying he did or didn't actually beat either of them, I"m just pointing this out, that even had he won every single round against both, he still would've been ****ed on scorecards.

Well at least this post was funny.

Why is Wladimir's hand in Vitali's lap in your avatar? :eek:

Neurosis or whatever, you're just plain...being a Jones hater clearly.

Byrd held his own against the Klitschkos despite the huge size difference and the probability that Byrd was drugged in Germany.

Jones pointed this out. Wlad was thought to be the better of the brothers and yes he beat Byrd, but then the HBO agenda of shoving the Klitschkos down our throats was turned on its head when Wlad got his ass knocked out in 2 rounds by Sanders. Lucky for HBO, Wlad had a brother who had been majorly in Wlad's shadow. Come on, nobody gave a **** really about Vitali until Wladimir lost. Then HBO flipped the script and said Vitali was the REAL contender. But Byrd already has the win over Vitali.

Also, HBO wants Vitali vs. Rahman right now. And clearly they want Toney vs. Byrd. Toney just had his match. Byrd needs an opponent. Rahman will likely wait around for Vitali. The logical choice for the big opponent was the winner of Ruiz vs. Toney. So Jones was going in that direction. Also, I'm pretty confident that Jones just doesn't buy the Klitschko hype and thinks they're a joke, which, really, they are.

Jones is also a visionary of sorts. He holds a win over Toney. Every good thing that happens to Toney also indirectly benefits Jones. And there's always the crazy possibility of a rematch. Imagine it. The two former middleweights that beat the heavyweight everyone hated get it on at heavyweight for a huge rematch. **** like that is easy to sell.

You really think Toney wouldn't beat Vitali? I'm not saying he'd demolish him, but only b/c Vitali is so huge. Toney would completely out manuever Vitali. Byrd might be slick, but he's not at the level of Toney in that regard.
Byrd didn't hold his own against either fighter. He only had a couple of good moments in the Vitali fight, and was outboxed the entire Vlad fight, suffering multiple knockdowns, and looked like he'd been in a bad car accident afterwards. And he wasn't drugged. I've watched that fight several times....he looked fine, other than being beaten up. Even at the end of the fight and having a face swollen like a balloon, he didn't appear sluggish, slow, or show any signs of dimentia, etc. that one would expect from a drugged fighter. He didn't even seem that worn out...just beat the **** up.

Obviously, you've never watched either fight...... or you're gay and have a major crush on Chris Byrd. Hoping for the former.

I put his losses in red, and noteworthy (I use that term loosely) wins in blue.

A 97% rate over that opposition is mighty impressive indeed.

You already said which of Vitali's opponents were "noteworthy" in your opinion. You don't have to keep repeating yourself. I've already read, analyzed and come to a conclusion about your opinion.

I've concluded that by your statements, your opinion isn't "worthy" of further consideration. In my opinion...that is.

Have a nice day...... :)

Hey, who am I to rain on your parade.

Here you go, enjoy:

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2004
Dec 11 Danny Williams WBC Title defence W KO 8
Apr 24 Corrie Sanders Vacant WBC HW Title W TKO 8
2003
Dec 6 Kirk Johnson WBC HW T Eliminator W TKO 2
June 21 Lennox Lewis WBC/IBO HW Title L TKO 6
2002
Nov 23 Larry Donald WBA Int'l HW Title W TKO 10
Feb 8 Vaughn Bean WBA Int'l HW Title W TKO 11
2001
Dec 8 Ross Puritty WBA Int'l HW Title W TKO 11
Jan 27 Orlin Norris Vacant WBA Int'l HW T W KO 1
2000
Nov 25 Timo Hoffman Vacant European (EBU) Heavyweight Title W UD 12
Apr 1 Chris Byrd WBO Heavyweight Title L TKO 10
1999
Dec 11 Obed Sullivan WBO Heavyweight Title W TKO 10
Oct 9 Ed Mahone WBO Heavyweight Title W TKO 3
June 26 Herbie Hide WBO Heavyweight Title W KO 2
Feb 20 Ismael John Youla European (EBU) HW T W TKO 2
1998
Dec 5 Francesco Spinelli European (EBU) HW T W TKO 1
Oct 24 Mario Schlesser Vacant European (EBU) Heavyweight Title W TKO 2
Aug 11 Ricardo Kennedy W TKO 1
June 5 Jose Ribalta W TKO 2
May 2 Dicky Ryan Vacant WBO Intercontinental HW T W TKO 5
Apr 18 Julius Francis W TKO 2
Mar 20 Levi Billups W KO 2
Mar 7 Louis Monaco W KO 3
Jan 30 Alben Belinski W KO 2
Jan 17 Marcus Rhode W TKO 2
1997
Dec 20 Anthony Willis W KO 5
Nov 29 Herman Delgado W TKO 3
Nov 8 Gilberto Williamson W KO 6
Oct 4 Will Hinton W KO 2
June 14 Jimmy Haynes W KO 2
May 10 Cleveland Woods W KO 2
Apr 12 Derrick Roddy W TKO 2
Mar 8 Calvin Jones W KO 1
Feb 22 Troy Roberts W KO 2
Jan 26 Mike Acklie W KO 1
1996
Dec 21 Brian Sargent W TKO 2
Nov 30 Frantisek Sumina W TKO 1
Nov 16 Tony Bradham WBA/IBF Heavy Title W KO 2

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I put his losses in red, and noteworthy (I use that term loosely) wins in blue.

A 97% rate over that opposition is mighty impressive indeed.

This guy's a ****ing joke. VK probably has more wins than this guy has pubic hairs, and he states his Opinions as though they are "fact" lol. Wonder how he would fare against this opposition?

YEah I caught that on Saturday too....Lampley had a look on his face like 'Wha the ****?'

Neurosis or whatever, you're just plain...being a Jones hater clearly.

Byrd held his own against the Klitschkos despite the huge size difference and the probability that Byrd was drugged in Germany.

Jones pointed this out. Wlad was thought to be the better of the brothers and yes he beat Byrd, but then the HBO agenda of shoving the Klitschkos down our throats was turned on its head when Wlad got his ass knocked out in 2 rounds by Sanders. Lucky for HBO, Wlad had a brother who had been majorly in Wlad's shadow. Come on, nobody gave a **** really about Vitali until Wladimir lost. Then HBO flipped the script and said Vitali was the REAL contender. But Byrd already has the win over Vitali.

Also, HBO wants Vitali vs. Rahman right now. And clearly they want Toney vs. Byrd. Toney just had his match. Byrd needs an opponent. Rahman will likely wait around for Vitali. The logical choice for the big opponent was the winner of Ruiz vs. Toney. So Jones was going in that direction. Also, I'm pretty confident that Jones just doesn't buy the Klitschko hype and thinks they're a joke, which, really, they are.

Jones is also a visionary of sorts. He holds a win over Toney. Every good thing that happens to Toney also indirectly benefits Jones. And there's always the crazy possibility of a rematch. Imagine it. The two former middleweights that beat the heavyweight everyone hated get it on at heavyweight for a huge rematch. **** like that is easy to sell.

You really think Toney wouldn't beat Vitali? I'm not saying he'd demolish him, but only b/c Vitali is so huge. Toney would completely out manuever Vitali. Byrd might be slick, but he's not at the level of Toney in that regard.


What do you define as "holding his own". If you mean gettin his ass beat for 12 rounds straight against Wlad than I agree. And getting outboxed by one armed Vitali, than I agree as well.

Klitschko's being a hype and a joke? I don't think so bud, I guarantee you Jones would never step in the ring with either brother, and that goes for majority of the heavyweights out there.

Judges in Germany, mind you. And for those that think "Oh, well the judge wasn't necessarily from Germany" it doesn't matter. Judges are appointed by the sanctioning bodies. The fight was Universum promoted. So the sanctioning body in question would've been paid by Universum. The Klitschkos were a huge draw. Byrd can't sell out in his home town, let alone years ago in Germany.

Sanctioning bodies take a 3 percent cut of both fighters purses. Say Klitschkos made $10 million a piece to fight Byrd and Byrd made $500,000 to fight them. If the Klitschkos win, they stay marketable and its another 10 million payday and such for them, which means 3 percent of that 10 million keeps going to the sanctioning bodies. Or, they can get 3 percent of 500,000 to 1 million from Byrd, no matter who he fought. It was more lucurative for the sanctioning bodies to award the fights to the Klitsckos, even without actual bribery occuring.

Bottom line, Byrd HAD to knock the Klitschkos out in order to win. Byrd knocking anybody out is kind of unlikely. Let alone super heavyweights like those guys. I'm not saying he did or didn't actually beat either of them, I"m just pointing this out, that even had he won every single round against both, he still would've been ****ed on scorecards.


You dont know what the **** your talking about. Byrd fought Vitali and won 3 close rounds that could've went either way. If the judges were truly corrupt they would've gave each round to Vitali. Not to mention two of the judges were from the states.

Oh and speaking on Roy Jones respecting Toney: NO **** GENIUSES!
Toney is the second guy to beat Ruiz as a former Middleweight.
1) What, RJJ is gonna say "Nahhh Toney is ****, any middleweight can do it"? That takes away from his accomplishment of beating the HW champ! No **** he's gonna say Toney is the ****!

2) Here have another look at Jones embarrassing Toney (http://www.boxingscene.com/media/data/504/1646jonesjrvstoneyR3.mpg) clip. Again, do you expect RJJ to say that he toyed with a ****ty fighter? No, he will say that Toney is Great… and by saying that.. makes him (RJJ) a STAR!

As far as RJJ slipping and ****ing up during his commentary and having Lampley correct him.. YES HE DID and all you RJJ lovers and Klitschko haters just admit it. :fu2: There is no reason to argue and you look really stupid by saying.. "Well, what he actually meant is..." All of a sudden everyone is a philosopher.
:lame:

Oh and speaking on Roy Jones respecting Toney: NO **** GENIUSES!
Toney is the second guy to beat Ruiz as a former Middleweight.
1) What, RJJ is gonna say "Nahhh Toney is ****, any middleweight can do it"? That takes away from his accomplishment of beating the HW champ! No **** he's gonna say Toney is the ****!

2) Here have another look at Jones embarrassing Toney (http://www.boxingscene.com/media/data/504/1646jonesjrvstoneyR3.mpg) clip. Again, do you expect RJJ to say that he toyed with a ****ty fighter? No, he will say that Toney is Great… and by saying that.. makes him (RJJ) a STAR!
Good thought

Good thought

GREAT POST!

Does anyone have a clip of the comment? More than just Roy saying what he said. A few seconds before, and then Lampley's reaction? I'm working on getting the fight, but it's not coming along very well..

As far as RJJ slipping and ****ing up during his commentary and having Lampley correct him.. YES HE DID and all you RJJ lovers and Klitschko haters just admit it. There is no reason to argue and you look really stupid by saying.. "Well, what he actually meant is..." All of a sudden everyone is a philosopher.

Obviously, if it was a SLIP, then why would it be seen as "what he meant"...you genius. Get with the program. I like the Klitschkos AND Roy.

Think before you speak.

Obviously, if it was a SLIP, then why would it be seen as "what he meant"...you genius. Get with the program. I like the Klitschkos AND Roy.

Think before you speak.What the **** are you saying? I can't make anything out of it???
:Thinkingo

What Program? The **** are you talking about?
And you're giving me advise to think before I speak? BWAHAHA