Guys Check Out **********, it says RUIZ has retired!!!!

Yes he did.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2050857

He probably feels like **** right now so of course he's going to say something like that. I don't think we've seen the end of Ruiz.

damn actually feel bad for the guy now he was willing to fight anyone. Damn Toney did what people wnated..to get rid of JOHNNY

I honestly do not believe he did that Bad, actually I feel it was ONE of his... OKAY probably his ONLY best performance. But hey, I don't think he should retire, but maybe all the hate has gotten to him? I mean he was in New York, the land of BORICUAS (Puerto Ricans) and he still got booed. Maybe he has finally succumbed to it all. :confused:

Yes he did.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2050857
did you read that article????

Although Ruiz's shots appeared heavier,
Did they even watch the fight?

Anyway, glad to see John retire. He has done a great service to boxing and boxing fans everywhere.

did you read that article????


Did they even watch the fight?

Anyway, glad to see John retire. He has done a great service to boxing and boxing fans everywhere.
That's exactly what I was gonna say, this Dan Raphael dude must be seriously ****ed up, even worse is the fact that in this article it actually said that ESPN.com scored the fight 115-113 for RUIZ! Jumpin Jesus on a pogo stick how in ****s name can anybody believe that John Ruiz won that fight. And we are supposed to believe this sports company is the worldwide leader in all things sport after they ****ed up the score of a clearly one-sided fight. Now I can see where the commissions are getting the bogus judges for fights nowadays referred by ESPN I'm sure.

Toney does not deserve to retire anyone... I praise Holy for fighting after his devastating loss to Toney.

But now he can hang 'em up :)

*copied this from another thread, didnt feel like typing it again =)*

I know I will take some **** for this buts it is all IMO-

Good win for Toney. Would he have won if Ruiz had been hugging all night-doubt it. The few times he did clinch, ( few and clinch in a sentence about ruiz says something in itself) I didn't see Toney doing his " amazing inside body work ".

I give ruiz credit, like some people have said, he did the best with what he had. Sure the guy was boring as hell but he really wanted to be there and did what he could. He stood up tonight with Toney and tried to prove that he wasnt a boring fighter, he wanted people to like him, and frankly, I don't blame him. I felt bad for Ruiz tonight, I am not a big fan of his, but I really felt bad for him.

That "knockdown" was utter bull**** and everyone saw it. I was not impressed with Toney at all. He looked like **** imo to be honest.

I am not trying to hate on Toney I just think he is getting to much credit and being too hyped up for the heavyweight division and for this win. If Ruiz had smothered his ass it would have been over. Ruiz did get caught with counters, but if he would have kept that jab in toneys face and smothered him, like usual, I think he could have pulled off a win.

I think Ruiz beat himself tonight, he tryed to change his styles in too big of a fight, against a good foe.

Toney didn't put anyones lights out tonight, I doubt he could have if he wanted to.

Also , as much as I like Roy, he was being an idiot, Vitaly would destroy Toney. He would put T's light out for goddamn sure. With that long jab, that awkward style, a solid chin he would beat T all night long.

Maybe if he looses some weight, looks motivated, and gives a damn, he might stand a chance against Vitaly...a small one..very small.

*copied this from another thread, didnt feel like typing it again =)*

I know I will take some **** for this buts it is all IMO-

Good win for Toney. Would he have won if Ruiz had been hugging all night-doubt it. The few times he did clinch, ( few and clinch in a sentence about ruiz says something in itself) I didn't see Toney doing his " amazing inside body work ".

I give ruiz credit, like some people have said, he did the best with what he had. Sure the guy was boring as hell but he really wanted to be there and did what he could. He stood up tonight with Toney and tried to prove that he wasnt a boring fighter, he wanted people to like him, and frankly, I don't blame him. I felt bad for Ruiz tonight, I am not a big fan of his, but I really felt bad for him.

That "knockdown" was utter bull**** and everyone saw it. I was not impressed with Toney at all. He looked like **** imo to be honest.

I am not trying to hate on Toney I just think he is getting to much credit and being too hyped up for the heavyweight division and for this win. If Ruiz had smothered his ass it would have been over. Ruiz did get caught with counters, but if he would have kept that jab in toneys face and smothered him, like usual, I think he could have pulled off a win.

I think Ruiz beat himself tonight, he tryed to change his styles in too big of a fight, against a good foe.

Toney didn't put anyones lights out tonight, I doubt he could have if he wanted to.

Also , as much as I like Roy, he was being an idiot, Vitaly would destroy Toney. He would put T's light out for goddamn sure. With that long jab, that awkward style, a solid chin he would beat T all night long.

Maybe if he looses some weight, looks motivated, and gives a damn, he might stand a chance against Vitaly...a small one..very small.


I agree, I think the KO's are getting to Jones. Ruiz also didn't have any stamina from the beginning bell! He looked slow and exausted right off the bat.

This fight also looked very much similar to the Ruiz/Golota fight. Golota won in almost exactly the same fashion as Toney and was robbed. That is the only thing that pissed me off about this fight. Toney looked like **** and one a close fight. He did win though. He sure the **** don't look like anything special though. Both Klitschko's beat Toney easily, as does Byrd and maybe even Brewster.

I think Ruiz is done! He lost for the second time in his career to someone who started from the middleweight division. Although Toney isn't an easy fighter, Ruiz should have done more. Obviously he realises now that he's not the true heavyweight champion. Ruiz will be literally the quiet man right now!

He's not done! He will take some time off and come back. but hopefully he won't make it back to the top.

“I only had 4 ½ weeks to prepare for this fight,” said Toney. “I do what I do – I didn’t expect much from John because he’s an average fighter. John Ruiz is stupid. He can’t change his style. He only knows how to fight one way.”
-Toney

I'm just interested to know how he's going to do against the better heavy weight division...Not meaning brewster of course.

I agree with a lot said in this thread... Ruiz was begging to be KOed in the final round but Toney couldn't do the job.

And despite all the scorn directed towards Ruiz, he really did try his best to please last night.

Wish he would have done an interview with Larry last night to announce it.

People retire all the time in boxing. It doesn't mean much, especially the day after the fight. Mayorga retired, too, after the Tito fight in October...

Ruiz will be back. You wait and see. He'll become champion for a 3rd time and unify the division. It will take Lewis' return to stop his reign!

That's exactly what I was gonna say, this Dan Raphael dude must be seriously ****ed up, even worse is the fact that in this article it actually said that ESPN.com scored the fight 115-113 for RUIZ! Jumpin Jesus on a pogo stick how in ****s name can anybody believe that John Ruiz won that fight. And we are supposed to believe this sports company is the worldwide leader in all things sport after they ****ed up the score of a clearly one-sided fight. Now I can see where the commissions are getting the bogus judges for fights nowadays referred by ESPN I'm sure.


....Dude, is that Ron Jeremy in that pic with you??

Ruiz will be back. You wait and see. He'll become champion for a 3rd time and unify the division. It will take Lewis' return to stop his reign!
anyone can say something that is utter bull****

try something else cause your looking like a fool

Espn. yall some losers. Fox Sports number 1--best damn sports show only;

James Toney.

H.B.O. Home Boys Only. That was F*cking funny.

I think he will. He was just ridding the wave an seen how much money he could get out of this business. Good for him. For a guy with limited skills he sure was able to make last. Nonetheless, the division is a piece of ****.

I feel sorry for Ruiz, man. I supported him because I think he's a humble guy and also because of his ethnic background. His gameplan was not the best for this bout. Sure, he gave a better fight than he usually does but now he does not have his beloved WBA belt. Had he chosen to fight his usual slow style, he would still be the champion now.

He should retire. He's probably the worst boxer in the history of the sport.

Thank god.
After Winky beats up Trinidad this May, he's going to retire as well.
Maybe him and John Ruiz can open their own gym in Puerto Rico and train fighters to be one-dimensional huggers..

Thank god.
After Winky beats up Trinidad this May, he's going to retire as well.
Maybe him and John Ruiz can open their own gym in Puerto Rico and train fighters to be one-dimensional huggers..

Wanna bet on that? I got Trinidad for sure.

I already bet Borikua 10 million points, and I'll bet you 10 million as well.

Sounds good?

I already bet Borikua 10 million points, and I'll bet you 10 million as well.

Sounds good?

How about 5 million. I lost some points last night and I also want to bet on Castillo and who knows what will happen there. I might be short on points by May 14.

Alright 5 million it is.

....Dude, is that Ron Jeremy in that pic with you??
Indeed sir the one and only Hedgehog!

I already bet Borikua 10 million points, and I'll bet you 10 million as well.

Sounds good?
90 million on trinidad. :boxing:

He'll be back. They all come back....

Damn right Ruiz will be back. Because he's the ****ing king of the ring.

Not even reading all these posts. Stopped once I saw a bunch of you idiots giving Ruiz all this undue credit. Makes no ****ing sense. He sucked. He bored the hell out of everybody. Finally retires and people get upset? Screw that. I'm glad he's retired. Wish Holyfield would've never lost to him. Hell, wish Ruiz would've retired after Tua destroyed him.

Good riddance to John Ruiz.

Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey, goodbye.

Yeah right Holyfield couldn't beat Ruiz in his prime. Ruiz's footwork and handspeed is too much for ol' Evander to handle.

Yeah right Holyfield couldn't beat Ruiz in his prime. Ruiz's footwork and handspeed is too much for ol' Evander to handle.

"Ole Evander"..exactly. His age at that time had everythign to do with him losing to Ruiz.

Pretender is pretending, and very badly, to be a boxing fan. You're not fooling anybody pal. So, follow Ruiz's lead, leave.

90 million on trinidad. :boxing:

Hmm...no thanks, but if you want, I can bet that on the Mayweather fight. Do you like Arturo Gatti?

I'll bet you 100,000 on Gatti. I think Feather will win, but I'm just going to bet for that guy I am rooting for this time.

It's too bad Ruiz never got the respect he deserved. His accomplishments are amazing considering his limited skills and abilities. He was treated very unfairly in his time.

Well, he sure wasn't the most exciting, talented, skillful fighter, but did he deserve all the hate he received? I personally don't think so. It takes a whole lot to be a boxer, and even more to be a champion. Hate him or love him the FACT is he was both boxer and champion.

Ruiz would never have been "a champion" if there were one title per division though. True, plenty of others, including Jones, wouldn't have either, but Ruiz certainly wouldn't have been.

The fact that Ruiz gets to say he was a heavyweight champion is reason enough to dump all the promoters and sanctioning bodies and start up the international boxing league.

Ruiz would never have been "a champion" if there were one title per division though. True, plenty of others, including Jones, wouldn't have either, but Ruiz certainly wouldn't have been.

The fact that Ruiz gets to say he was a heavyweight champion is reason enough to dump all the promoters and sanctioning bodies and start up the international boxing league.
Don't know if anything like that would happen in the foreseeable future, but interesting points indeed!

I was never a big fan of Ruiz anyways, definitely not a very exciting fighter.

He'll be back, unfortunately. Hopefully, he doesn't get anymore nice paydays. He doesn't deserve them.

he should just go off into the sunset, and enjoy his wealth

True, Johnny was a b ore to watch. But he did hold the title for quite some time. Give the man some credit. He was never in any drama outside the ring. He lived a quiet life. Im sure he is just disappointed. 2 middleweights beat him. Just because he fought the fight that folks wanted to see.

True, Johnny was a b ore to watch. But he did hold the title for quite some time. Give the man some credit. He was never in any drama outside the ring. He lived a quiet life. Im sure he is just disappointed. 2 middleweights beat him. Just because he fought the fight that folks wanted to see.

C'mon......"he held titles" ?
Those belts can't hold water !

Who cares what he was outside the ring ? Inside it, he was a horror show.
He fought illegally. He won in questionable fashion numerous times. He whines....& he has the biggest ******* in the world for a trainer.

The fact that John Ruiz is a f*ckin' millionaire from boxing is an unfunny joke.

True, Johnny was a b ore to watch. But he did hold the title for quite some time. Give the man some credit. He was never in any drama outside the ring. He lived a quiet life. Im sure he is just disappointed. 2 middleweights beat him. Just because he fought the fight that folks wanted to see.
Those who saw the fight on HBO know that Ruiz actually held a meeting with Jim Lampley and asked him what he could do to be more "ENTERTAINING" I mean come on that's pretty commendable and it cost him the fight! He changed his style for one of the biggest fights of his life and got his ass handed to him by doing so, BUT it should not be forgotten that he tried to make his fans happy (all three of them that were in the NEW YORK CITY crowd!) Damn, that's the messed up part about it, he came out to a song entitled Puerto Rico by Frankie Ruiz and people still booed him, a lot in fact, and that's where many Puerto Ricans live! He didn't even have the support from his own people! He truly was unliked!

Hmm...no thanks, but if you want, I can bet that on the Mayweather fight. Do you like Arturo Gatti?
Nope. :boxing: