Who do you think wins?

I see this as a competitive fight but not sure if toney could get inside.....maybe he coudl slip a couple punches and get inside but i have doubts about him hitting vitali in the head consistently

I knew this thread was coming.

Gotta say Toney. He was out of shape entirely tonight and still won. Take ten pounds off and give him the training camp he didn't have here, and it's interesting. Klit is slow and winds up. Toney can slip that and just eat him up to the body. Past five rounds and it's Toney easy.

yeah if toney gets past the first 5 rounds he has a really good shot at winning....but I actually think he needs some of those pounds so that he can be ready for vitali's weight

This fight is easy to predict. Vitali KO within 6 rounds. Beating a sorry ass fighter like Ruiz just doesn't convince me that he can stand up to VK. VK would have knocked Ruiz out easy tonight.

This fight is easy to predict. Vitali KO within 6 rounds. Beating a sorry ass fighter like Ruiz just doesn't convince me that he can stand up to VK. VK would have knocked Ruiz out easy tonight.


And instead of taking Ruiz up on his open challenge

http://www.boxing-central.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=5454

and unifying a title, he's elcted to fight a guy who was thoroughly beat by Ruiz.

That will look sparkling on his resume next to Danny Willilams and Corrie Sanders.

And instead of taking Ruiz up on his open challenge

http://www.boxing-central.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=5454

and unifying a title, he's elcted to fight a guy who was thoroughly beat by Ruiz.

That will look sparkling on his resume next to Danny Willilams and Corrie Sanders.
You forgot the most deciding factor in this: DON KING

King to this day doesn't let his fighters any where near VK. If you knew anything about boxing, you would know that VK would not be afraid to fight Ruiz after slugging it out with Lennox Lewis. Damn!!

This fight is easy to predict. Vitali KO within 6 rounds. Beating a sorry ass fighter like Ruiz just doesn't convince me that he can stand up to VK. VK would have knocked Ruiz out easy tonight.

Ruiz may be sorry but Toney isn't. Legend, when was the last time Toney was KO'd. You've made some good points in the past but how can you think Vitali will just flatten Toney all of a sudden. I guess Toney will get into the ring and just forget how to fight?? I'm sorry VK is good but he isn't great and he can get beat. I'm not saying Toney is the best HW ever either just saying he does have skill to compete and yes beat Vitali Klitchko. This is going to be the fight the HW division has needed for quite some time.

Judah...he does NOT need extra weight. he needs his best weight. Holmes didn't bulk up for Cooney; Louis and Dempsey never bulked up for guys like Baer or Firpo. Toney should come in between 210-220 for Klit to give himself his legs late.

rahman and byrd both issued challenges to toney

You forgot the most deciding factor in this: DON KING

King to this day doesn't let his fighters any where near VK. If you knew anything about boxing, you would know that


Rahman IS a King fighter Stoney.

King was on the opening segment of the fight saying he's offered Klitschko fights to unify with no options.

You'll just say he's lying, but you don't know that to be anymore true.

Either way, King handles Rahman, Toney, Byrd, and Brewster and Golata. Vitali will be figthing a King fighter next, and unifying with another after that.

Easy win for V imo.. Toney is to small and I think Vitali is too strong. Vitaly can be relentless and Toney's " opossum " technique won't work. He will be eating hard jabs all night and eventually, get ktfo.

Imo, after Vitaly going rounds with Lewis, getting a huge gash on his face, and still wanted to go at it, proves that he is a force.

Toney could possibly do some damage if he got inside and worked the body, I just don't see it happening with that long jab.

Vitali's style is just so akward as well, I don't know if Toney could adapt and counter effectively.

Ruiz may be sorry but Toney isn't. Legend, when was the last time Toney was KO'd. You've made some good points in the past but how can you think Vitali will just flatten Toney all of a sudden. I guess Toney will get into the ring and just forget how to fight?? I'm sorry VK is good but he isn't great and he can get beat. I'm not saying Toney is the best HW ever either just saying he does have skill to compete and yes beat Vitali Klitchko. This is going to be the fight the HW division has needed for quite some time.
Sorry, I don't mean to sound so bias in VK's favor. You're right when you say VK isn't great, it's just that he looks so good compared to the other heavyweights. At this point, I think VK will KO Toney, that's my opinion, nothign more. If Toney can beat someone like Wlad or Byrd, I'll give him a more realistic shot at VK. But beating Ruiz in no way should convince people that he is indesructible, which is the feeling I am getting after reading some of these posts. But Toney can fight and I'm glad he beat Ruiz, hell I bet on him to win. Sorry for the confusion.

Rahman IS a King fighter Stoney.

King was on the opening segment of the fight saying he's offered Klitschko fights to unify with no options.

You'll just say he's lying, but you don't know that to be anymore true.

Either way, King handles Rahman, Toney, Byrd, and Brewster and Golata. Vitali will be figthing a King fighter next, and unifying with another after that.
I'm very aware of Rahman being a King fighter. I should have clarified that King won't let VK anywhere near his champions. Sorry if you got confused.

I'm very aware of Rahman being a King fighter. I should have clarified that King won't let VK anywhere near his champions. Sorry if you got confused.

That's okay, I didn't mean to hurt your feeling by correcting your untrue statement.

That's okay, I didn't mean to hurt your feeling by correcting your untrue statement.
You didn't hurt my feelings. It's quite alright, trust me. I already said that I should have clarified my post so that it was clear for you.

You didn't hurt my feelings. It's quite alright, trust me. I already said that I should have clarified my post so that it was clear for you.


Yes its easier when you don't attempt to buff up a very weak point by making general statements that aren't true.

Again, King mentioned tonight he has offered Klitschko unification fights without options.

You critisize Toney for fighting weak opposition at Heavyweight.

Vitali won the title against a fat and out of shape Corrie Sanders, and defended it once agaisnt Danny Williams. Now he
had planned to follow that up by fighting a guy who has already lost thoroughly to John Ruiz.

Toney isn't the only one with a Heavyweight title that has something left to prove.

Yes its easier when you don't attempt to buff up a very weak point by making general statements that aren't true.

Again, King mentioned tonight he has offered Klitschko unification fights without options.

You critisize Toney for fighting weak opposition at Heavyweight.

Vitali won the title against a fat and out of shape Corrie Sanders, and defended it once agaisnt Danny Williams. Now he
had planned to follow that up by fighting a guy who has already lost thoroughly to John Ruiz.

Toney isn't the only one with a Heavyweight title that has something left to prove.
Actually he said he WOULD offer a tournament without options on VK. Big difference. I guess we'll just have to wait and see if he speaks the truth.

Don't get so defensive dude. I'm not some VK maniac like you would like to think.

Rahman IS a King fighter Stoney.

King was on the opening segment of the fight saying he's offered Klitschko fights to unify with no options.



Hahaha. aside from don kings mouth, have you ever heard King offering a fights without options??? who are you trying to fool here?

and ruiz didnt exactly dominate Rahman either. I mean it was a makeout session from round 1. anyone in the heavyweight division could have beaten Ruiz by the way he fought tonight,
why does anyone say Ruiz is a tough figh to win? because he holds non-stop. he actually tried to box this fight for some idiotic reason and he turned in a pathetic performance.

toney is a tough SOB, but so his VitKlitschko. Toney has been knocked down before, Klitschko hasnt. he's taken some pretty good licks from Lewis and Sanders(if you dont think he can punch in the early rounds you're full of ****).

toney talks a lot of **** about knocking guys out. but if he can't knock out rydell booker or ruiz..how can he knock out Vitali.

Klitschko W12 Toney

The point is, all I hear is everyone talking about how its no big deal that Toney beat Ruiz, yet who has Vitali EVER beat that's as acomplished as Ruiz?

Larry Donald?

Kirk Johnson?


I think Vitali is just as overhyped as everyone is claiming that Toney is. He lost the two biggest fights of his career, and has everyone mezmorized after a loss to Lewis and two wins against Fringe contenders.

Vitali should be favored because of his size, but Toney is no slouch.

Its my opinion if Toney's in shape he'd be a tough fight for anyone at Heavyweight, including Vitali.

Ruis won 9-10 rounds againsr Rock...and ha dhim stunned repeatedly. That's pretty dominating even f the fight sucked ass. As to King and VK, Don will let his titlists near if forced but he seems to, from press conferences I've been at, think Rock beats him and then he can run the whole tourney.

toeny doesnt have any power

The point is, all I hear is everyone talking about how its no big deal that Toney beat Ruiz, yet who has Vitali EVER beat that's as acomplished as Ruiz?

Larry Donald?

Kirk Johnson?


I think Vitali is just as overhyped as everyone is claiming that Toney is. He lost the two biggest fights of his career, and has everyone mezmorized after a loss to Lewis and two wins against Fringe contenders.

Vitali should be favored because of his size, but Toney is no slouch.

Its my opinion if Toney's in shape he'd be a tough fight for anyone at Heavyweight, including Vitali.
Kirk Johnson was not VK's biggest win, just for good measure. Corrie Sanders, who has one of the biggest left-hands in the early rounds recently, is his biggest win. Damn, that was the title fight, was it not? Don't even try to discredit VK in defense of the "Ruiz-owner" Toney. I'm as happy as anybody that Toney knocked off Ruiz, but you acting like that somehow translates into him kicking Vitali's ass is just plain narrow-minded.

BTW, VK totally dominated those guys you mentioned in less than 6 rounds. What does it take for you to think a fighter is not a bum? 1st round KO? You're looking like a damn fool.

but you acting like that somehow translates into him kicking Vitali's ass is just plain narrow-minded.


Read what I said

Vitali should be favored because of his size, but Toney is no slouch.

Kirk Johnson was not VK's biggest win, just for good measure. Corrie Sanders, who has one of the biggest left-hands in the early rounds recently, is his biggest win.

The Same Corrie Sanders who lost by KO to Nate Tubbs in 2 rounds, and was KO'd by Rahman (again a guy who lost to Ruiz)?

Sanders was 38 years old, and in poor shape.

That's Vitali's "biggest win"?

I'm not the one who's starting to look like a "damn fool".

Read what I said





The Same Corrie Sanders who lost by KO to Nate Tubbs in 2 rounds, and was KO'd by Rahman (again a guy who lost to Ruiz)?

Sanders was 38 years old, and in poor shape.

That's Vitali's "biggest win"?

I'm not the one who's starting to look like a "damn fool".
Um, ok. This was the same Corrie Sanders who Lennox Lewis said was the best heavyweight. Sanders has a devastating left-hand that could KO any heavyweight and you're talkin ****? And you're backing this up in defense of Toney's decision victory over John Ruiz? HAHA!! Yeah, once again, you look like a "damn" fool. I could probably care less about VK than you do, but you are acting like you hate the man for some odd reason. It doesn't matter if you agree with me or not, VK is THE BEST heavy out there right now, although not great, he is the best. Sorry.

Um, ok. This was the same Corrie Sanders who Lennox Lewis said was the best heavyweight. Sanders has a devastating left-hand that could KO any heavyweight and you're talkin ****? And you're backing this up in defense of Toney's decision victory over John Ruiz? HAHA!! Yeah, once again, you look like a "damn" fool. I could probably care less about VK than you do, but you are acting like you hate the man for some odd reason. It doesn't matter if you agree with me or not, VK is THE BEST heavy out there right now, although not great, he is the best. Sorry.


You're the one who's looking like a Moron.

I've seen you say in several different threads that people are blowing it out of proportion that Toney beat Ruiz.

And then you talk about Vitali being the best Heavywieght.

Based on what??

His "Biggest win" over Corrie Sanders?

If YOU'RE trying to build up Corrie Sanders up into anything other than a fringe contender, you're the one who's a blind
fool.

Sanders was old and fat, and a meaningless win in compairison to Toney beating Ruiz. Ruiz won and defended a title. Sanders Golfed.

Yet you slam Toney's win over Ruiz, and continue to rant
about how Vitali would beat him because he's the #1 Heavywieght
based on a win over CORRIE SANDERS.

Idiot.

You're the one who's looking like a Moron.

I've seen you say in several different threads that people are blowing it out of proportion that Toney beat Ruiz.

And then you talk about Vitali being the best Heavywieght.

Based on what??

His "Biggest win" over Corrie Sanders?

If YOU'RE trying to build up Corrie Sanders up into anything other than a fringe contender, you're the one who's a blind
fool.

Sanders was old and fat, and a meaningless win in compairison to Toney beating Ruiz. Ruiz won and defended a title. Sanders Golfed.

Yet you slam Toney's win over Ruiz, and continue to rant
about how Vitali would beat him because he's the #1 Heavywieght
based on a win over CORRIE SANDERS.

Idiot.
You keep switching sides here. There's no way I can even debate with you, I don't even know what your point is anymore. Do you even have a point? All I ever said was that Toney beat a fighter who is recognized world-wide as a boring-ass bum, one of the worst champions ever. When did I ever "slam" Toney's win over Ruiz? I repeatedly said I was glad it happened and I even bet on Toney. You keep taking **** out of context, just like you did when Stickman was trying to have a decent debate with you. It's ****in pointless, I've argued with 12 year olds that were more intelligent than you, Mr. Internet tough guy.

When did I ever "slam" Toney's win over Ruiz?


Sorry man, but most people think Toney is a fat bum and still do. Bums do beat bums ya know. Happens all the time.


Who's the one who can't keep track of what they say?

My point is that you've continually taken away from John Ruiz as an impressive win for Toney, yet you've mentioned several times you rate Vitali Klitschko as the #1 Heavyweight. Vitali Klitschko's biggest win according to you is Corrie Sanders.

Newsflash: Sanders is a bigger bum than Ruiz by a mile.

So according to you, the "biggest" win of Vitali's career isn't even on par with the "bum" James Toney beat tonight.

See how that works? Still confused about my point?

Who's the one who can't keep track of what they say?

My point is that you've continually taken away from John Ruiz as an impressive win for Toney, yet you've mentioned several times you rate Vitali Klitschko as the #1 Heavyweight. Vitali Klitschko's biggest win according to you is Corrie Sanders.

Newsflash: Sanders is a bigger bum than Ruiz by a mile.

So according to you, the "biggest" win of Vitali's career isn't even on par with the "bum" James Toney beat tonight.

See how that works? Still confused about my point?
LOL. Yes, I am still confused. Corrie Sanders would only have to land one good left to KO Ruiz. Ruiz's record is great, but it doesn't make him invincible. BTW, it is a recognized fact that VK is the obvious choice of the best heavy, it's not just me, so please **** off. I have no time for this childish bull****. I'm not going to sit here and argue with you for 2 days like Stickman. My opinion is my opinion and it is one that is more widely accepted than yours. Sad but true. BOO HOO!!!

LOL. Yes, I am still confused. Corrie Sanders would only have to land one good left to KO Ruiz.

Good thing you don't want to discuss it further, because its sure hard to argue with such an anastounding hypothetical assertion.

You seem to think that becuase Sanders was dangerous early, that somehow makes him a solid name on a resume? By that logic, Butterbean is a solid win for a top Heavyweight.

Sanders sucked and never amounted to anything.

All I ever said was that Toney would be a tough opponent for Klitschko (and that Vitali's size should be the difference) but that they both could use more noteworthy wins on thier resume.

This matchup isen't even close in my mind. If Toney could be backed up a bit by Ruiz, Vitali will rip him a new one. Toney just doesn't have the stuff to make him undisputed champ. However, it would be the best HW we've seen in a while as far as press is concerned. Much better than Ruiz vs. Vitali would have been.

And instead of taking Ruiz up on his open challenge

http://www.boxing-central.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=5454

and unifying a title, he's elcted to fight a guy who was thoroughly beat by Ruiz.

That will look sparkling on his resume next to Danny Willilams and Corrie Sanders.

Ruiz was only talking before the Williams fight. After it he was very silent.

Those aint bad odds against James, 2.5 to 1, I will take that.

Vitali is powerful but a gas guzzler with a weak chin. I pick Toney

You keep switching sides here. There's no way I can even debate with you, I don't even know what your point is anymore. Do you even have a point? All I ever said was that Toney beat a fighter who is recognized world-wide as a boring-ass bum, one of the worst champions ever. When did I ever "slam" Toney's win over Ruiz? I repeatedly said I was glad it happened and I even bet on Toney. You keep taking **** out of context, just like you did when Stickman was trying to have a decent debate with you. It's ****in pointless, I've argued with 12 year olds that were more intelligent than you, Mr. Internet tough guy.

That dude always does that ****. I even reposted the beginning of a thread to prove what my point was and how he had avoided it, and he just accused me of posting "random" posts when they were in order from the beginning lol. That guy either loves fighters or hates them, and will say anything in order to defend or slam them lol

If Toney comes to fight in great shape I am picking James Toney. I would not a final prediction on this fight until after the weigh in.

Easy pick for me. Vitali by ko anywhere in the fight. Does anyone of you can even imagine what the size difference will be?
ANyway you can not beat Vitali by outworking him, the only way to beat him is to ko him and Toney does not even has a close pop to keep vitali off of him. So I imagine Vitali will just beat James to death, especially with Big V's punch output.
No disrespect to Toney he fought a great fight yesterday(I attended it live :) ) but that does not mean he will be able to fight the same fight with Vitali and win.
Good big man always beats good little man.

i'd pick toney to win. if vitali was'nt 9 ft tall he would'nt be in the top 20. i know vitali has alot of fans on this site but he's come a long way without fighting anyone of note apart from lewis.
toney has the skills to beat klitchko, who is a very basic fighter with no stamina (he was even blowing against williams early on with nothing coming back at him). toney bangs the body very well and vitali won't be able to stand that kind of attack for many rounds. i admit klitchko's chin might be hard to reach but the body shots are key to this fight. plus toney has the defensive skills to avoid what comes back.
toney late stoppage.

I voted for Vitali. I think size will be the key factor in the fight.

i cant beilve im hearing people think toney will stop vitali, guys vitali was beating a prime chris byrd with 1 arm, toney hasnt fought anyone who can punhc like vitali, let toney do the shoulder roll when vitalis fist comes down on it, and those rare body shots from vitali will probally drop toney. toney stopping vitali plz

Despite myself, I actually opted for Toney here. I'm still not sure though.

Both are such unknown quantities, aren't they? Okay, we know what Toney can do, but in this division? Was he hurt last night or playing possum?

As for Vitali, so many strengths, so many weaknesses... he's deceptively good and a very smart fighter. However, that "mouth agape from round two" style of his is a worry. I CAN visualise Toney getting to the body a bit. A tough call though.


Oh, as for Vitali ducking Byrd (2nd time) and Ruiz... bear in mind that boxing is a profession. People don't want to see Ruiz.

Rahman IS a King fighter Stoney.

King was on the opening segment of the fight saying he's offered Klitschko fights to unify with no options.

You'll just say he's lying, but you don't know that to be anymore true.

Either way, King handles Rahman, Toney, Byrd, and Brewster and Golata. Vitali will be figthing a King fighter next, and unifying with another after that.

Do you even know why Vitali is fighting Rahman? Because that's his mandatory challenger. Doesn't matter who promotes him when it comes down to mandatory.

Um, ok. This was the same Corrie Sanders who Lennox Lewis said was the best heavyweight. Sanders has a devastating left-hand that could KO any heavyweight and you're talkin ****? And you're backing this up in defense of Toney's decision victory over John Ruiz? HAHA!! Yeah, once again, you look like a "damn" fool. I could probably care less about VK than you do, but you are acting like you hate the man for some odd reason. It doesn't matter if you agree with me or not, VK is THE BEST heavy out there right now, although not great, he is the best. Sorry.

Not to mention Sanders, was ranked no.3 by the Ring, and had the largest win on his resume than any other fighter out there, and that was Wladimir Klitschko.

Vitali is powerful but a gas guzzler with a weak chin. I pick Toney


Someone ban this newbie.

i can't see how on earth toney could win this one, he dosn't have enough power to knock him out. and i certainly can't see how he can outbox him over 12 rounds. this might seem like a very simplistic statement, but vitali is just too big too strong and too smart to lose this one

...I think Wlad would give Toney an even worse beating than Vitali. He punches harder and is more technically sound. If his confidence is back it's a beating worse than the one he gave Byrd.

how do u come to the conclusion that wlad hits harder then vitali?

threre is more talent in toney s pinky than in vitaly ' s whole body , but vitaly wins this one easy.

he is taller , bigger , stronger , a real HW , as an hard jab to keep toney at bay , is YOUNGER , toney is 36 for god sake.

i prefer toney as a fighter but that would be a shootout for vitaly

....Wlad has more one punch knockout ability. Vitali puts the punches together and is more of an accumulation and attrition puncher. Wlad commits to his punches more and sits down on them. Vitali doesn't really sit down on his punches like Wlad and doesn't over commit IMO. Roach thinks that Wlad has more one punch power than Tyson.

....Wlad has more one punch knockout ability. Vitali puts the punches together and is more of an accumulation and attrition puncher. Wlad commits to his punches more and sits down on them. Vitali doesn't really sit down on his punches like Wlad and doesn't over commit IMO. Roach thinks that Wlad has more one punch power than Tyson.


very good analysis , i agree on everything , but i would like to point out the psychological aspect .

wladimir has chin and confidence issues , if he faces a streetwise toney , first thing james will do is get into wladimir ' s head , and mentally break him .

wladimir is gonna come to the ring scared , and toney will pick him apart because he is gonna froze.

very good analysis , i agree on everything , but i would like to point out the psychological aspect .

wladimir has chin and confidence issues , if he faces a streetwise toney , first thing james will do is get into wladimir ' s head , and mentally break him .

wladimir is gonna come to the ring scared , and toney will pick him apart because he is gonna froze.
You put too much hope into toney's ability to get into one's head.
The only thing he can do to Wlad is piss him off.When you know that thw guy does not have enough pop to hurt you and you know you can end a fight at any moment it is quiet hard to scare you.

i still dont understand. toney beat ruiz so he will KO vitali? is there logic to that?

You put too much hope into toney's ability to get into one's head.
The only thing he can do to Wlad is piss him off.When you know that thw guy does not have enough pop to hurt you and you know you can end a fight at any moment it is quiet hard to scare you.


i think toney can hurt wlad , if brewster could , toney can .

common wlad looked scared and tentative against freakin dawaryl williamson , and was put down.

i agree with you , wlad has the offensives tools to destroy toney , but again , if you have a mental weakness , toney will see it and use it. if the mind doenst follow , you cant box

Toney is a world-class inside fighter, Vitali is a master outside fighter. Toney has to go through Vitali's strength to fight inside giving Vitali an advantage.

With all due respect to Toney and his accomplishments, he's fought 3 heavyweights. He beat an elderly Holyfield, a nobody in Booker, and a guy whose now made a reputation of loosing to smaller former middleweight boxers in Ruiz compared to Vitali's 35 heavyweight fights.


I believe the tallest opponent Toney (5'9") has ever faced was 6'3", Vitali is 6'8". The height difference between Vitali and Toney is nearly a foot! To suggest that Toney would beat Vitali without having previously fought anyone even close to Vitali's stature seems silly. Where Vitali has made a career of beating shorter opponents. There are no facts to suggest Toney can compete with someone Vitali's size.

Although his performance was impressive against Ruiz, I think Toney still has a lot to prove as a heavyweight. I'd like to see him fight one of the skilled tall guys.

Buy the nature of the sport, Toney would have a chance against Vitali as would anyone. Having said that - I think Toney's toughness combined with the physical mismatch and style differences would result in Toney taking the beating of a lifetime against Vitali.

Toney is a world-class inside fighter, Vitali is a master outside fighter. Toney has to go through Vitali's strength to fight inside giving Vitali an advantage.

With all due respect to Toney and his accomplishments, he's fought 3 heavyweights. He beat an elderly Holyfield, a nobody in Booker, and a guy whose now made a reputation of loosing to smaller former middleweight boxers in Ruiz compared to Vitali's 35 heavyweight fights.


I believe the tallest opponent Toney (5'9") has ever faced was 6'3", Vitali is 6'8". The height difference between Vitali and Toney is nearly a foot! To suggest that Toney would beat Vitali without having previously fought anyone even close to Vitali's stature seems silly. Where Vitali has made a career of beating shorter opponents. There are no facts to suggest Toney can compete with someone Vitali's size.

Although his performance was impressive against Ruiz, I think Toney still has a lot to prove as a heavyweight. I'd like to see him fight one of the skilled tall guys.

Buy the nature of the sport, Toney would have a chance against Vitali as would anyone. Having said that - I think Toney's toughness combined with the physical mismatch and style differences would result in Toney taking the beating of a lifetime against Vitali.


great post. can u beilve some people think toney will ko vitali?

the only way toney beats vitali is if he tires him out and gets past the first 5 rounds....Toney could tko vitali not really from his power but because vitali would be tired late in the fight..sort of like wlad vs brewster.......thast the only shot toney has

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i agree with you , wlad has the offensives tools to destroy toney , but again ,

The more offence you bring at Toney the more your playing his game. Especially for a guy with stamina issues like Wlad. And BTW Toney is indestructable until somebody proves otherwise and puts him on his ass for 10 or least staggers him bad.

if jirov can hurt toney then vitali would KO him. vitali has a same characteristic of toney, everytime he fights people say o he's gonna own him or or vitali is gonna get KO'd, underestimate toney? how about underestimate vitali.

if jirov can hurt toney then vitali would KO him. vitali has a same characteristic of toney, everytime he fights people say o he's gonna own him or or vitali is gonna get KO'd, underestimate toney? how about underestimate vitali.

When did Jirov hurt Toney, when was Toney staggered, he never was, your full of ****. Watch the fight again, despite Jirov vicious offence and occasional landing of clean shots none of that **** got to Toney, maybe a little bit of exhaustion got to him, but not really, since Toney like always fought like a champion in the championship rounds. Jirov was spent in 12, and Toney took advantage knocked Jirov down, its Toney's style.

When did Jirov hurt Toney, when was Toney staggered, he never was, your full of ****. Watch the fight again, despite Jirov vicious offence and occasional landing of clean shots none of that **** got to Toney, maybe a little bit of exhaustion got to him, but not really, since Toney like always fought like a champion in the championship rounds. Jirov was spent in 12, and Toney took advantage knocked Jirov down, its Toney's style.

i cant explain anyhtign to u not while toneys dick is shoved so far down yr throat u cant think stright, he was hurt a couple times and ill go nitpick for u when he was

Go nitpick then Sturm your not going to find much. Why do you have such a grudge against "lights out." You haters are un understandable when it comes to James "lights out" Toney.

Toney's a great fighter, but he's not going to KO VK or Wlad. I mean damn, all either of them would have to do is jab, jab, jab to a decision, or if "Lights Out" get desparate later in the fight, let him come foreward and eat leather. The guy is just too short, and fights out of a hunker/crouch/***** squat half the time lol. And why are some of you saying that Toney could bang to the body and break either of them down? They've both taken body shots before in fights and have displayed nothing that would lead me to believe they can't take a body shot. Add to this the fact that Toney, whether he has power or not, doesn't punch hard in his fights, and that's why I can't see Toney KOing either of them.

round 11 2:14 jirov flurry to the body doubles toney over

1:36 of round 11 right hand wobbles toney, idiot ref says its a slip but it wasnt toney was clearly hurt

1:02 toney wobbles back to a cornor after jirov hits him a couple times.

:30 secs left again toney is hurt by punches drops him hands and goes back to the ropes.

toney shoulda showed some class after this fight but instead at the bell he just stood there and looked at jirov cause he is an asswhole. if he had a likable attitude he'd probally be one of the most loved fighters cause of his skill

Go nitpick then Sturm your not going to find much. Why do you have such a grudge against "lights out." You haters are un understandable when it comes to James "lights out" Toney.

same to how will a blown up middlewieght KO a man who has never been down ever, took lewis's uppercuts and a stright left from sanders

round 11 2:14 jirov flurry to the body doubles toney over

1:36 of round 11 right hand wobbles toney, idiot ref says its a slip but it wasnt toney was clearly hurt

1:02 toney wobbles back to a cornor after jirov hits him a couple times.

:30 secs left again toney is hurt by punches drops him hands and goes back to the ropes.

toney shoulda showed some class after this fight but instead at the bell he just stood there and looked at jirov cause he is an asswhole. if he had a likable attitude he'd probally be one of the most loved fighters cause of his skill

I have seen Jirov vs Toney 20 times Toney was never Key word seriously hurt in that fight despite some of the big punching and volume punching by Jirov. You overdramatize to an insane degree in your description of round 11.

how much hurt u want like out on his feet hurt? well of course he wasnt been there, but u toeny fans r talkign liek o he has never been hurt at all.

Vitali will win.

When did Jirov hurt Toney, when was Toney staggered, he never was, your full of ****. Watch the fight again, despite Jirov vicious offence and occasional landing of clean shots none of that **** got to Toney, maybe a little bit of exhaustion got to him, but not really, since Toney like always fought like a champion in the championship rounds. Jirov was spent in 12, and Toney took advantage knocked Jirov down, its Toney's style.


true toney was never hurt vs jirov......heck I dont remember ever seeing toney actaully hurt

true toney was never hurt vs jirov......heck I dont remember ever seeing toney actaully hurt

True, but then again judging from how Moorer handled Castillo's and Jirov's punches, Castillo punches harder than Jirov. We all saw what happened when Castillo landed a clean right upstairs on Wlad's supposed glass chin near the end of the second round...nothing.

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Toney loses to both Klitschkos. Period.

the only way toney will every beat VK, is by KO'ing him. n thats not going to happen to a gy who has still yet to be knocked down in his career, took punches from lewis, sanders, williams, among others. toney has to clime a ladder to land a punch. VK can jus jab all night n win. either way no way will toney win

Toney is sooooo fat and lazy. He will get killed by Vitali. If he somehow manages to get into shape and works his ass off during the fight and manages to stay away from big punches he could walk away with a very close decision. It's simply unlikely though.

If Toney comes to fight in great shape I am picking James Toney. I would not a final prediction on this fight until after the weigh in.


Okay Greg Leon. lol

I'll pick Toney regardless. Surprisingly easily, Toney wins. He'll shock the world with how easy he beats Klitschko. Well, not me, but the rest of the world. Cause I see through the Klitschkos. They're all hype.

If Toney ever fought Vitali, James Toney would get very bloody and hurt like Danny Willams and Corrie Sanders. I have the feeling Toney will never have the courage to fight Vitali.

yep, no bravery in fighting a dead man, which is what Vitali may be after Rahman. Vitali's already pulled out twice. Big shocker there. Minor back surgery? Truth is it was tailbone work. Wonder what could've cause Vitali's tailbone to have trouble.

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Toney is a big underdog but he desevres more credit than he is being given. First off Toneys chin is great and Jirov never serioulsy hurt toney, and i dont think anyone ever really has. I think Vitali could hurt him but Toney has to much pride to go down. Also Toney would make Vitali come foward or invite him by louging on the ropes,then Toney can get inside and work. Toney will go through hell but if it goes past round 6 Toney has a great shot at winning Vitali has stamina problems. Bottom line is toney is a big underdog but if he is in shape i think he has a better shot than anyone of beating Vitali.

Why does Toney have to knock Vitali out to beat him? If he beats him, he beats him, period. I'd prefer a knockout, but I mean damn, I'd take a decision win. Like with Ruiz, yeah I wanted a knockout, always prefer a knockout, but I'm damn happy with a decision win. If you only like knockouts, guess you don't like Pernell Whitaker, which is just crazy.

Toney will will wear him out and tear him down.

I think toney to be too slick to be hit by vitali with the big bombs at long distance.

My prediction is that Vitali will not look at all like the Vitaly fighting Williams; because Vitali will be unable to connect with the jab and be hitting air. Leaning foward after missing Vitali will be taste Toneys overhand rights.

I would love to see this one and hope this fight will be made (and both fighters survive their next opponents)!

Look at how much Corrie Sanders landed on Vitali. Look at how wide some of Vitali's shots were, and slow, in both the Sanders and Williams fights. Toney can dodge or deflect that ****. People say what they will about Toney's weight too. I felt very confident with his weight, actually better b/c I didn't want him letting Ruiz control him by hugging and putting so much weight on Toney. That weight will actually make Toney solid.

And look at how fatigued Vitali looked in those fights. F'n round 8 and Vitali is breathing heavy, breathing out of his mouth. Toney can beat him.

Toney will never even hit Vitali in the head! Vitali doesn't have to even get close to land punches on Toney. This will be one of the most one sided fights for Vitali yet! Toney doesn't have the power that Lewis and Sanders had. Toney's only chance is if Vitali punches himself out and that will never hapen cause Toney doesn't work in there enough!

What do you mean Toney doesn't work in there enough? No ****, he's a counterpuncher. He waits. Vitali WOULD punch himself out. Toney'll hit Vitali plenty in the head, and the body, where Vitali has never had really to deal with being hit. Toney has a good enough reach to tag Vitali. He'd lay on the ropes and lure the big frankenstein mummy in.

Toney is a big underdog but he desevres more credit than he is being given. First off Toneys chin is great and Jirov never serioulsy hurt toney, and i dont think anyone ever really has. I think Vitali could hurt him but Toney has to much pride to go down. Also Toney would make Vitali come foward or invite him by louging on the ropes,then Toney can get inside and work. Toney will go through hell but if it goes past round 6 Toney has a great shot at winning Vitali has stamina problems. Bottom line is toney is a big underdog but if he is in shape i think he has a better shot than anyone of beating Vitali.

that is 100% correct, I Agree entirely

What do you mean Toney doesn't work in there enough? No ****, he's a counterpuncher. He waits. Vitali WOULD punch himself out. Toney'll hit Vitali plenty in the head, and the body, where Vitali has never had really to deal with being hit. Toney has a good enough reach to tag Vitali. He'd lay on the ropes and lure the big frankenstein mummy in.

We'll see! ;)

What do you mean Toney doesn't work in there enough? No ****, he's a counterpuncher. He waits. Vitali WOULD punch himself out. Toney'll hit Vitali plenty in the head, and the body, where Vitali has never had really to deal with being hit. Toney has a good enough reach to tag Vitali. He'd lay on the ropes and lure the big frankenstein mummy in.

Toney is a very smart fighter who can pull other fighters out of their game-plan. Vitali will not fall into Toney's mind games and he will not be "lured in". Toney can stay on the ropes all night and Vit will just get at the very end of his range and pot shot with the jab all night. Toney will be out of range to counter and will have to come at Vit. The only way Toney wins is finding a way of getting inside and staying there to rack up points, I just dont see him doing that with out taking too much damage on the way in.

My head says Vitali but my heart says Toney. I'd root for JT all the way but I like Vitali too...

My head says Vitali but my heart says Toney. I'd root for JT all the way but I like Vitali too...


ok folks all toney vs vitali fight talks r ended, oldringo isnt saying toney will win then thats final, if the man who invite the term "toney bandwagon" says he isnt sure and is split both wayz the discussion is over

ok folks all toney vs vitali fight talks r ended, oldringo isnt saying toney will win then thats final, if the man who invite the term "toney bandwagon" says he isnt sure and is split both wayz the discussion is over


Nono...I'm not on the "bandwagon". I've liked Toney longer than you've liked boxing.

Nono...I'm not on the "bandwagon". I've liked Toney longer than you've liked boxing.


and why should i care?

and why should i care?


because im 100x cooler than you and it makes you upset.

because im 100x cooler than you and it makes you upset.

:D :bryce: :twak:

it prolly wont happen...rahman will beat vitali first...toney should fight bryd...then winner of brewster golota

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no...you cunt.