Lb for Lb
1 Bernard Hopkins Middleweight
2 Marco Antonio Barrera Super Featherweight
3 Erik Morales Super Featherweight
4 Ronald Wright Light Middleweight
5 Floyd Mayweather Jr Light Welterweight
6 Manny Pacquiao Super Featherweight
7 Kostya Tszyu Light Welterweight
8 Oscar Larios Super Bantamweight
9 Jose Luis Castillo Lightweight
10 Felix Trinidad Middleweight
11 Diego Corrales Lightweight
12 Chris Byrd Heavyweight
13 John Ruiz Heavyweight
14 Shane Mosley Light Middleweight
15 Daniel Santos Light Middleweight
16 Juan Manuel Marquez Featherweight
17 Kassim Ouma Light Middleweight
18 Sharmba Mitchell Light Welterweight
19 Arturo Gatti Light Welterweight
20 Oscar De La Hoya Middleweight
21 Scott Harrison Featherweight
22 Vivian Harris Light Welterweight
23 Vitali Klitschko Heavyweight
24 Zab Judah Welterweight
25 Lorenzo Parra Flyweight


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Lb for Lb
1 Bernard Hopkins Middleweight
2 Marco Antonio Barrera Super Featherweight
3 Erik Morales Super Featherweight
4 Ronald Wright Light Middleweight
5 Floyd Mayweather Jr Light Welterweight
6 Manny Pacquiao Super Featherweight
7 Kostya Tszyu Light Welterweight
8 Oscar Larios Super Bantamweight
9 Jose Luis Castillo Lightweight
10 Felix Trinidad Middleweight
11 Diego Corrales Lightweight
12 Chris Byrd Heavyweight
13 John Ruiz Heavyweight
14 Shane Mosley Light Middleweight
15 Daniel Santos Light Middleweight
16 Juan Manuel Marquez Featherweight
17 Kassim Ouma Light Middleweight
18 Sharmba Mitchell Light Welterweight
19 Arturo Gatti Light Welterweight
20 Oscar De La Hoya Middleweight
21 Scott Harrison Featherweight
22 Vivian Harris Light Welterweight
23 Vitali Klitschko Heavyweight
24 Zab Judah Welterweight
25 Lorenzo Parra Flyweight


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Is this a joke? That's probably the worst list in the history of the sport.

Morales was 7 or 8 on all the lists I read before the Pac fight, now all the sudden he's number two or three on most of them? I dunno, I'm not a huge EM fan, but it bugs me how little respect he got before that fight.

They do their rankings by computer and it's based only on how successful a fighter is in beating quality opponents within his weight class. The rankings are not based on ability or to what degree the fighter beat those said opponents. When you look at it like that, it makes sense. Ruiz has beaten better guys than Vitali, so he is ranked higher even though his methods of beating those guys has been less than impressive.

It isn't that much of a joke really. At least it isn't biased.

They do their rankings by computer and it's based only on how successful a fighter is in beating quality opponents within his weight class. The rankings are not based on ability or to what degree the fighter beat those said opponents. When you look at it like that, it makes sense. Ruiz has beaten better guys than Vitali, so he is ranked higher even though his methods of beating those guys has been less than impressive.

It isn't that much of a joke really. At least it isn't biased.
good point !

I don't think Pacquiao should be in the top 10.He is ranked num.6 after getting his ass wuped by Morales. If anything Juan Manuel Marquez should be ranked in the top ten.When he fought Pacquiao we all saw him get up off the canvis three times in the first round to come back and give Pacquiao a boxing lesson.Marquez should have gotten the win over Pacquiao and should be ranked as one of the top ten lb4lb.

I don't think Pacquiao should be in the top 10.He is ranked num.6 after getting nhis ass wuped by Morales.if anything Juan Manuel Marquez should be ranked in the top ten.When he fought Pacquiao we all saw him get up off the canvis three times in the first round to come back and give Pacquiao a boxing lesson.Marquez should have gotten the win over Pacquiao and should be ranked as one of the top ten lb4lb.
I think Marquez will eventually be top 10.
He is one of the best boxers out there.

Can we stop discussing the stupid list? Read what Kid Achilles said

They do their rankings by computer and it's based only on how successful a fighter is in beating quality opponents within his weight class. The rankings are not based on ability or to what degree the fighter beat those said opponents. When you look at it like that, it makes sense. Ruiz has beaten better guys than Vitali, so he is ranked higher even though his methods of beating those guys has been less than impressive.

It isn't that much of a joke really. At least it isn't biased.

The biggest problem in boxrec's ranking system is that it doesn't penalize fighters who have taken a break in their career enough. They do lose some ranking points, but not many at all. If they win a comeback bout, even against lowly regarded opposition, they add to their points. If they lose to lowly regarded opposition it has hardly any effect at all.

I honestly think that they need a better algorthym than the one they currently use.

The biggest problem in boxrec's ranking system is that it doesn't penalize fighters who have taken a break in their career enough. They do lose some ranking points, but not many at all. If they win a comeback bout, even against lowly regarded opposition, they add to their points. If they lose to lowly regarded opposition it has hardly any effect at all.

I honestly think that they need a better algorthym than the one they currently use.I completely disagree with you...

And to prove you wrong: Riddick Bowe (http://www.boxrec.com/record001640.html) Ranked #56!

Can we stop discussing the stupid list? Read what Kid Achilles said

I actually agree, I dont see why some people stress the list so much. It's generated by a script which is far from perfect when taking into account how the rankings line up.

To prove me right, Wlad ranked at number 5, James Toney at 4 and David Tua ranked at 21.

In his past 6 fights, Wlad has lost to 2 lowly regarded fighters, beat up 3 corpses and got a technical decision over a fighter who had planted him on his ass. Yes, I know it was a flash, but he was still on his ass.

James Toney has fought 2 corpses at heavy. True, he is undefeated in the past 8 years, but his ring record over that time period, with the exception of Jirov and Holyfield, is a "who the **** is that?", not a "who's who" of boxing. Let's not forget that the Holyfield he fought was a shadow of his former self and had lost 4 of his past 6 fights coming in, and one of thewins was a TD due to a rat over Rahman's eye. Sorry, but that thing was too huge be a mouse.

David Tua comes back after a 2 year layoff, beats up a corpse and is ranked higher than a man who beat up Wlad?

To prove me right, Wlad ranked at number 5, James Toney at 4 and David Tua ranked at 21.

In his past 6 fights, Wlad has lost to 2 lowly regarded fighters, beat up 3 corpses and got a technical decision over a fighter who had planted him on his ass. Yes, I know it was a flash, but he was still on his ass.

James Toney has fought 2 corpses at heavy. True, he is undefeated in the past 8 years, but his ring record over that time period, with the exception of Jirov and Holyfield, is a "who the **** is that?", not a "who's who" of boxing. Let's not forget that the Holyfield he fought was a shadow of his former self and had lost 4 of his past 6 fights coming in, and one of thewins was a TD due to a rat over Rahman's eye. Sorry, but that thing was too huge be a mouse.

David Tua comes back after a 2 year layoff, beats up a corpse and is ranked higher than a man who beat up Wlad?AND????

I completely agree with those ranking!
Again.. Those are COMPUTER ranking..
Wlad beat up Byrd, who is currently ranked a #1, he beat up McCline, who after his 2 losses is ranked #11. So what should he be ranked as? 25?

Now Tua was inactive and this is why he is ranked at 21. (Isn't that what you were trying to say it doesn't do?
The biggest problem in boxrec's ranking system is that it doesn't penalize fighters who have taken a break in their career enough.
Now Bozo_No_No.. lets not get into an argument on this one... I'm talking about COMPUTER RANKING

Vitali should not be so low on this list. Vitali has the greatest chin in boxing, he has never been knocked down or hurt with a punch ever in his career! That has to mean much as a heavyweight. Almost everyone else on that list has been hurt or knocked down before in their career. Being able to not be knocked down is very important.

Anyone who has to fight Vitali has no chance of ever knocking him down, yet Vitali has an excellent chance of always knocking his opponents down. Vitali should be much higher, closer to number one!

its not that fact that ruiz and byrd r rated above vitali its the fact that there rated that high!!!! does anyone here have ruiz and byrd that high on there p4p list?

AND????

I completely agree with those ranking!
Again.. Those are COMPUTER ranking..
Wlad beat up Byrd, who is currently ranked a #1, he beat up McCline, who after his 2 losses is ranked #11. So what should he be ranked as? 25?

Now Tua was inactive and this is why he is ranked at 21. (Isn't that what you were trying to say it doesn't do?

Now Bozo_No_No.. lets not get into an argument on this one... I'm talking about COMPUTER RANKING
Your post kinda proves my point. I think Wlad, if his stamina is improved, is definitely in the top 10, but he has done nothing in his last 6 fights to be ranked in the top 5. The Byrd fight was 5 years ago. Who has he beat since then? McCline has been proven to be a waste of time. He beat a 41 year old Ray Mercer. Who else of note?

After 2 years off and no credible opposition in his comeback fight, Tua doesn't belong in the top 25.

James Toney has done nothing to prove he belongs in the top 10, let alone Top 5, Heavyweight rankings.

How about this...
Let me see your Top 20 List!

I don't really have one. I am considering, though, trying to come up with a better algo. All I need is to get my hands on the data that boxrec has.