View Full Version : who is greater? fritzie zivic or floyd mayweather jr?


talip bin osman
01-03-2010, 11:31 AM
i honestly think its mr. zivic...

the guy has the far better resume & if u really just be honest about it, his biggest wins (armstrong, angott, lamotta, kid azteca) **** on PBF's greatest wins (corrales, castillo, baldomir) anytime everytime...

and i really feel quite confident fritzie would beat him if they fight @ 147...

GJC
01-03-2010, 12:38 PM
Well if they had a fantasy fight it would have to be based in the 30's or 40's, Fritzie would get thrown in prison let alone DQ'd for some of the stuff he used to pull in the ring lol

Joey Giardello
01-03-2010, 12:59 PM
i honestly think its mr. zivic...

the guy has the far better resume & if u really just be honest about it, his biggest wins (armstrong, angott, lamotta, kid azteca) **** on PBF's greatest wins (corrales, castillo, baldomir) anytime everytime...

and i really feel quite confident fritzie would beat him if they fight @ 147...

Its maweather, yes zivic had some great wins but also had alot of defeats and most of the same fighters u named came back to beat him 2 or 3 times aswel in rematchs, dont get carried away with the armstrong win hank was way past his best. Also his resume does not **** on mayweathers! diego corrales, castilo, de la hoya and marquez are all former world champions and future ibhf's.

TheGreatA
01-03-2010, 01:43 PM
Its maweather, yes zivic had some great wins but also had alot of defeats and most of the same fighters u named came back to beat him 2 or 3 times aswel in rematchs, dont get carried away with the armstrong win hank was way past his best. Also his resume does not **** on mayweathers! diego corrales, castilo, de la hoya and marquez are all former world champions and future ibhf's.

Way past his best? I'd say Armstrong was near his prime but Zivic was allowed to do what he did best by a very lenient referee. Fighting a natural welterweight who has 5 inches on you in height is close to impossible with no eyesight. Zivic worked him over with his combination of headbutts, elbows, low blows, thumbing and lacing.

http://www.boxingscene.com/media/data/513/2149henryarmstrongvsf_zivic.bmp

http://antekprizering.com/zivicarmstrongii6839.jpeg

Joey Giardello
01-03-2010, 02:25 PM
Way past his best? I'd say Armstrong was near his prime but Zivic was allowed to do what he did best by a very lenient referee. Fighting a natural welterweight who has 5 inches on you in height is close to impossible with no eyesight. Zivic worked him over with his combination of headbutts, elbows, low blows, thumbing and lacing.

http://www.boxingscene.com/media/data/513/2149henryarmstrongvsf_zivic.bmp

http://antekprizering.com/zivicarmstrongii6839.jpeg

Armstrong was past his best he aged over night in that fight, and it was armstrong who started the fouling off against zivic.The fast lif style had caught up to him

talip bin osman
01-03-2010, 03:06 PM
Way past his best? I'd say Armstrong was near his prime but Zivic was allowed to do what he did best by a very lenient referee. Fighting a natural welterweight who has 5 inches on you in height is close to impossible with no eyesight. Zivic worked him over with his combination of headbutts, elbows, low blows, thumbing and lacing.



who was dirtier manchine?

zivic or battling nelson?

cotto16
01-03-2010, 03:22 PM
who was dirtier manchine?

zivic or battling nelson?

i think it was zivic, nelson was known more for geting the **** beat out of him, then when they tire he would get to them.

TheGreatA
01-03-2010, 03:29 PM
Armstrong was past his best he aged over night in that fight, and it was armstrong who started the fouling off against zivic.The fast lif style had caught up to him

Henry Armstrong was coming off easy KO wins over credible opponents and had not shown any signs of being a washed up fighter although he was slowing down. Actually he came back a year and a half afterwards and still had a very good run with wins over several very good opponents, including Zivic himself.

Armstrong did not start fouling, he did what he usually does, bored in with his head and got in Zivic's face. If that's considered fouling then he fouled in every fight of his. Unfortunately he was facing a much bigger welterweight who was allowed to do whatever he wanted to by the referee.

who was dirtier manchine?

zivic or battling nelson?

Zivic. I've seen films of Nelson that don't indicate he was a dirty fighter. Surely he must have had his own bag of tricks but often rough pressure fighters are mistaken as being "dirty". Some do it intentionally, for others it's just their way of fighting. And in Nelson's era the officiating was far more lenient. Now Zivic was just plain dirty and was actually proud of the fact.

El Jesus
01-03-2010, 04:07 PM
Way past his best? I'd say Armstrong was near his prime but Zivic was allowed to do what he did best by a very lenient referee. Fighting a natural welterweight who has 5 inches on you in height is close to impossible with no eyesight. Zivic worked him over with his combination of headbutts, elbows, low blows, thumbing and lacing.

http://www.boxingscene.com/media/data/513/2149henryarmstrongvsf_zivic.bmp

http://antekprizering.com/zivicarmstrongii6839.jpeg

LMAO. that sentence is lol.

talip bin osman
01-03-2010, 05:16 PM
Its maweather, yes zivic had some great wins but also had alot of defeats and most of the same fighters u named came back to beat him 2 or 3 times aswel in rematchs, dont get carried away with the armstrong win hank was way past his best. Also his resume does not **** on mayweathers! diego corrales, castilo, de la hoya and marquez are all former world champions and future ibhf's.

man... thats what u get when u face the best...

multiple times...

PBF north of 135 never had a meaningful fight against some serious opposition...

let alone multiple times...

& yeah, oscar is a legit HOF, but chico & castillo are borderlines IMO... JMM while has been doing great lately, im not really sure about it if its enuf to bring him to canastota...

lets see! :boxing:

cotto16
01-03-2010, 05:49 PM
man... Thats what u get when u face the best...

Multiple times...

Pbf north of 135 never had a meaningful fight against some serious opposition...

Let alone multiple times...

& yeah, oscar is a legit hof, but chico & castillo are borderlines imo... Jmm while has been doing great lately, im not really sure about it if its enuf to bring him to canastota...

Lets see! :boxing:

of course chico, marquez and castilo are going in to the ibhf they let barry mcguian in

BennyST
01-05-2010, 09:35 AM
Armstrong was past his best he aged over night in that fight, and it was armstrong who started the fouling off against zivic.The fast lif style had caught up to him

Don't mean to be rude, but not only can you not know that without having seen every fight up to that point as well as that one, but it's just BS.

Armstrong had great wins just before Zivic, such as Lew Jenkins, but he also came to have great wins after those two fights too. He came back after those losses to beat greats such as Fritzie Zivic himself, Lew Jenkins, Tippy Larkin (who afterward went on a four year win streak with some huge names), Sammy Angott, Juan Zurita, Jackie Burke, etc. They are huge wins man.

You might think because he never won a title again, he was done, but he never got another title shot. Some of those guys were past their past, but they still had some big wins left in them, as evidenced by their records and against the name of Armstrong they would have been fully trained and motivated to get their careers back on track but losing to him showed that Armstrong had a lot left in the tank.

He was in his prime when he got beaten Zivic, despite the tactics.

Junito-Rulez
01-05-2010, 09:42 AM
Floyd does.