View Full Version : I'm not Officer Friendly ....
Shaolin Bushido 04-28-2005, 10:18 AM .... nor do I think I ever will be. I've tentatively decided against going to BLET mainly because I've been with the Sheriff's Office for almost 8 years and since I probably can't make the same amount of money or more as a new policeman or deputy with another agency. Also, when you screw up you're subject to being fired as a sworn officer and as a certified one(which I am now) but as a sworn one ... you're much more likely to make the papers!
FUUUUUU-ck THAT!
I also realized that most of the guys who are deputies over there are turds and I ain't lettin them get me involved in some bull****. Most of em are a bit weak minded and subject ot do **** on a whim like belt a guy who don't deserve it, keep a guys' watch or money they've confiscated, etc ....
So, I guess I'll remain "that ******* over at work release" for now.
There's also the fact that often "there" ends up being alot like "here" once you get "there". The grass ain't always greener.
Thought y'all would want a heads-up.
Don't mention it.
Wizard 04-28-2005, 10:26 AM HAHAHA, my uncle was with the RCMP for 20 years then he went to Haiti to train Police officers. He told me American Police are a joke and a bunch of undertrained yahoos. How much training do you have my crazy little internet mobster.
Squezze 04-28-2005, 11:28 AM I dislike the police. They tend to be self-rightous *******s. Sure they're just doing their job, but getting in **** for having a little weed? I mean, just **** off. Go fight some real crime, *******. What a waste of tax payers dollars.
AgonYx0 04-28-2005, 11:43 AM your a cop???
Shaolin Bushido 04-28-2005, 12:11 PM your a cop???
I'm not, but I do work in law enforcement/corrections. I started out as a detention officer working in the jail for 3 and a half years and after awhile a position opened at our work release center that I was selected for. I've been working as a "residence supervisor" for over 4 years now.
In the past, officers were given the opportunity to become sworn(arrest powers and ****) once they get a little seniority but at a few of which ours is one, they now attempt ot lock guys into certain career paths and that's primarily why I ain't sworn already. They always need guys working in the jail so they basically made it more difficult than in the past to become sworn. Nowadays you have to pay for it yourself and attend 40 hrs/week or training for several months while maintaining your job, whereas in the past they allowed you to go to BLET that they sponsored themselves while relieving you of any other duties.
You got paid to go thru it.
Shaolin Bushido 04-28-2005, 12:17 PM your a cop???
You never read my profile before now?
As of this moment ... I QUIT YOU!
You'll just have to come to grips with it. I'm firm but I'm fair. You brought this on yourself.
AgonYx0 04-28-2005, 12:22 PM oh damn, i looked at your profile once, only to see your bday.
Shaolin Bushido 04-28-2005, 12:28 PM oh damn, i looked at your profile once, only to see your bday.Well ... ignorance is no excuse, I'm afraid.
I'm gonna have to be firm on this issue. There're too many women who've been waiting their turn to get with me to allow you to beg your way back in.
Sorry.
Cesaro 04-28-2005, 01:01 PM my sister's husband worked for mecklenburg sheriff's office
The Mouse 04-28-2005, 01:04 PM I’d try for LAPD but I think they’d turn me down for the same reason the military did – too many tat’s.
Cesaro 04-28-2005, 01:06 PM my friend has 12 tattoos and got in the military. they don't show on his face/neck/hands so it was okay. they told him as long as the tattoos aren't visible in your class A uniform, you're okay.
The Mouse 04-28-2005, 01:18 PM I could wear a class A and be covered up. If 12 was the number, then it's because I went beyond 12. Sucks. I don't ****'n know.
Cesaro 04-28-2005, 01:30 PM As far as I know, they don't have a limit on the number. He was just told as long as Class As covered him, he's fine.
The Mouse 04-28-2005, 01:58 PM Well guess what kitten, they ****’n told me a limit. If it weren’t so, I’d be over-sees kill’n muhamads. Whether it was 7-12 or whatever, they had one. I’m sure if you did a little research online you’d be able to find it.
Cesaro 04-28-2005, 02:14 PM Four criteria will be used to evaluate tattoos and brands to see if they comply with Marine Corps standards. These criteria are content, location, size, and effect of associating the Marine Corps and the Marine Corps uniform with the tattoo or brand.
Content. Every tattoo and brand will be viewed to determine if it is representative of gang, racist, sexist, drug, or other prohibited activity. These types of tattoos and brands are prohibited.
Location. Tattoos and brands are prohibited on the head and neck. If they are visible on the arms or legs in the service "C" uniform, they are prohibited.
Size. Tattoos and brands will be evaluated on their size and color. Large and colorful tattoos and brands, especially on the arms and legs will be screened to determine if they are eccentric or project a non-conservative personal appearance. Tattoos and brands that are eccentric or project a non-conservative personal appearance are prohibited.
Association with the Marine Corps and the Marine Corps uniform. All tattoos and brands will be evaluated on the cost that they would have on morale, the maintenance of good order and discipline, leadership potential, and public perception. Marines that possess tattoos and brands that are not in keeping with the standards and traditions of the Marine Corps will be required to have the tattoo(s) removed at their own expense.
The Mouse 04-28-2005, 02:18 PM I went on a Marine forum and asked, they said:
“There is a new reg for Recruits. It is in the form of a frost call. I do not have a copy as it is in Adobe acrobat form. I cannot locate it again. But some things I remember no more than 4 tattoos. None large than the palm of your hand. Not large than 1/4 the size of the body part such as forarm or bicep. Not seen in Charlies or shorts. None on the face hands or neck.
Also any over 4 there is no waver. The above post in mesage format is the current active duty regs. But with the new changes for those coming into the Marine Corps how soon till those regulations change.”
Here's a recent article on the subject:
Recruiting is skin deep- Is a crackdown on active Marines far behind?
By Gordon Lubold
Times staff writer
July 07, 2003
While would-be recruits undergo greater tattoo-related scrutiny, changes to the policy for active Marines may not be far behind, given the Corps' increasingly tough stance on body modifications in recent years.
Officials with Manpower and Reserve Affairs at Quantico, Va., recently reviewed the policy on body modification. But in the end, they opted to stick with existing rules — for now.
Capt. Gabrielle Chapin, a spokeswoman for Manpower and Reserve Affairs, confirmed that tattoo policy did undergo a review, but that officials decided against revising it, saying that it fits the needs of the Corps for the time being.
Two Marine officials, who are not part of Manpower and Reserve Affairs but are familiar with the debate, said manpower officials were considering a more restrictive policy. Indeed, while much attention is paid to initial enlistments, it's far less clear to what degree Marines are scrutinized come re-enlistment time.
Manpower officials do not track how many Marines are denied re-enlistment or otherwise penalized for having inappropriate or excessive tattoos, Chapin said. If the Corps were to apply the recruiting-specific tattoo guidance to the active force, it would not be the first time a service has taken such a step in cracking down on body art.
Expanding on recruit-specific policy issued in 2000, the Navy issued an order Jan. 24 that now prohibits active sailors from having any tattoos or brands on the head, neck and scalp, as well as tattoos or brands elsewhere on the body that are "prejudicial to good order and discipline" or "bring discredit upon the Navy."
The Corps made the first in a series of substantive changes to its policy in a Corpswide message issued in 1996 that banned tattoos and brands on the neck and head. It also reiterated the ban on tattoos or brands elsewhere on the body that are "prejudicial to good order, discipline and morale or are of a nature to bring discredit upon the Marine Corps." The regulation governing personal-appearance standards, MCO P1020.34, was revised to reflect this change.
And in 2000, the Corps raised the bar for enlisted Marines who want to become officers. With the change, enlisted Marines applying for warrant- and commissioned-officer selection boards now must show commanders their tattoos and send pictures of the body art to the selection board. The policy was implemented to preclude problems at Officer Candidates School or The Basic School at Quantico, where some officers were being sent home for having "inappropriate" tattoos.
The most recent change came in 2001, when officials closed a loophole in the order that at least one Marine used to justify piercing his tongue. At the time, the order stated that a Marine could not pierce his skin, but the tongue is a muscle. The word "tongue" subsequently was added to the order.
The other services also have cracked down on body art in recent times.
In addition to the Navy's recent changes, the Air Force in January published clarifications to its regulations that further define what is acceptable body art. The change follows a celebrated case last summer in which in which officials discovered that a junior airman had split his tongue to give it a forked appearance.
The Army published a revision to its appearance standards for that service last summer. Now, Army regulations bar soldiers from having tattoos or brands on the hands, head or neck. And like the other services, the Army bans tattoos or brands elsewhere on the body that are "extremist, indecent, sexist or racist," calling them "prejudicial to good order and disicpline." Piercing also is banned, with the exception of earrings for female soldiers. Now, for the first time, the four services apply a similar standard to their active members.
*Prior-service trouble
The scrutiny potential recruits now see could mean trouble for at least some Marines: those who left active duty and want back in.
One former Marine, Mike DiGiovanni, found that out the hard way. He left active duty as a corporal in August 2002, only to find he didn't like life on the outside. After earning an associate's degree at a community college in Florida, he tried to come back to the Corps but learned the road he was about to travel had more twists than the huge dragon inked on his chest.
DiGiovanni, 25, said he had no tattoos when he first enlisted in the Corps, but he got about eight during his four-year tour. After his discharge, he had two eagles inked onto his left elbow, brass knuckles tattooed onto a bicep and an eagle, globe and anchor put on his back.
But since he had most of his tattoos while on active duty, he was shocked when his package was disqualified. "I was just dumbfounded," said DiGiovanni in an interview from his parents' home in Laurel, Md.
Then, a Marine officer from the West Coast suggested he try enlisting on the Western side of the recruiting line, telling DiGiovanni about the apparent difference in the way the tattoo policy is interpreted in the two recruiting regions.
He since has applied through a Western region office in California, but his application still hasn't gone anywhere — likely because the Corps suspended enlistment of prior-service Marines as of April 27 to give preference to combat veterans returning from Iraq with hopes of re-enlisting. The freeze was expected to last through July 1.
DiGiovanni's biggest problem with the tattoo policy is that it seems to be a double standard. Though he may not be able to enlist again, he sees many Marines who are allowed to remain on active duty despite having a dozen or more tattoos.
DiGiovanni still wants to be a Marine. He's doing construction work for now, hoping he'll hear from the Corps but knowing he probably won't. "I think the policy is ridiculous," he said. "It doesn't show whether you can do your job or not. My record in the Marine Corps proves I could do my job."
*A different view of ink
Regulations aside, some tattooed Marines see their ink differently now and have begun the expensive, protracted process of removing their artwork. One major who plans to retire in the next year believes his tattoos might brand him as a particular kind of person in the civilian world and make it hard to get the kind of job he wants. He plans to go into public relations, where a "public presence" is key, he said. "Rightly or wrongly, people make value judgments of others based upon physical appearance," the major said in an e-mail response to questions.
"People won't necessarily see Marine Corps service, sacrifice, honor, courage and commitment in my tattoos," he wrote. "They may well see just tattoos and based on stereotypical judgment ... their judgment of me personally, and by extension the organization I represent, could be negative."
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story.php?f=0-MARINEPAPER-1970322.php
Squezze 04-28-2005, 08:59 PM **** tha police
Comin straight from the underground
Young ***** got it bad cuz I'm brown
And not the other color so police think
They have the authority to kill a minority
**** that ****, cuz I ain't tha one
For a punk mutha****a with a badge and a gun
To be beatin on, and throwin in jail
We could go toe to toe in the middle of a cell
****in with me cuz I'm a teenager
With a little bit of gold and a pager
Searchin my car, lookin for the product
Thinkin every ***** is sellin narcotics
You'd rather see me in the pen
Then me and Lorenzo rollin in the Benzo
Beat tha police outta shape
And when I'm finished, bring the yellow tape
To tape off the scene of the slaughter
Still can't swallow bread and water
I don't know if they **** or what
Search a ***** down and grabbin his nuts
And on the other hand, without a gun they can't get none
But don't let it be a black and a white one
Cuz they slam ya down to the street top
Black police showin out for the white cop
Ice Cube will swarm
On any mutha****a in a blue uniform
Just cuz I'm from the CPT, punk police are afraid of me
A young ***** on a warpath
And when I'm finished, it's gonna be a bloodbath
Of cops, dyin in LA
Yo Dre, I got somethin to say
**** the police
**** the police
**** the police
**** the police
Wizard 04-28-2005, 09:33 PM I dislike the police. They tend to be self-rightous *******s. Sure they're just doing their job, but getting in **** for having a little weed? I mean, just **** off. Go fight some real crime, *******. What a waste of tax payers dollars.
You know, I agree with you. But you have to realize that they don't make the rules. Being a cop is hard ****ing work, EVERYONE LIES TO YOU, AND EVERYONE DISRESPECTS YOU. Do you realize that for what I'm doing right now with regards to marijuana, I could get 20-life in some states. The police up here would nail me for 3 years MAX, and I'd be on parole in no ****ing time. If they nailed me for posession, there is a good chance they'd just take it away. The point is, well, theres not much of a point except that America is a big ****ing joke when it comes to the ganja, and ruining someones entire life for a bunch of plants that won't do **** just fuels everyones distaste for your government. Not to mention it probably wastes alot of YOUR tax dollars keeping these people in jail. It's funny, Even in my country(because of pressure from america) I pay taxes, and some of my tax dollars, go to putting people like me in jail.
Boy I high as a kyte. it's been 10 days since my last hoot and I'm sure feeling it. I'm getting that Euphoria that I got when I first started. Almost like that first peice of ass I got.
Squezze 04-28-2005, 11:54 PM You know, I agree with you. But you have to realize that they don't make the rules. Being a cop is hard ****ing work, EVERYONE LIES TO YOU, AND EVERYONE DISRESPECTS YOU. Do you realize that for what I'm doing right now with regards to marijuana, I could get 20-life in some states. The police up here would nail me for 3 years MAX, and I'd be on parole in no ****ing time. If they nailed me for posession, there is a good chance they'd just take it away. The point is, well, theres not much of a point except that America is a big ****ing joke when it comes to the ganja, and ruining someones entire life for a bunch of plants that won't do **** just fuels everyones distaste for your government. Not to mention it probably wastes alot of YOUR tax dollars keeping these people in jail. It's funny, Even in my country(because of pressure from america) I pay taxes, and some of my tax dollars, go to putting people like me in jail.
Boy I high as a kyte. it's been 10 days since my last hoot and I'm sure feeling it. I'm getting that Euphoria that I got when I first started. Almost like that first peice of ass I got.
I'm Canadian as well and I know that it's just really a slap on the wrist in Canada compared to the marijuana laws in the US. Most times the cops around here will just take it and let you go if it's under a certain amount.
joeboxer 04-29-2005, 12:48 AM Shaolin,
Since your on the law enforcement side of things, what are your views on the legalization of Marijuana. I'm going to make this a thread in the boxingscene lounge if you wanna respond here or there.
Shaolin Bushido 05-01-2005, 01:11 PM Joe, I don't drink, smoke cigs or herb but basically I just am glad of that. I did all three for various parts of my life and see only tiny bits of good in any of it. Basically, I got my fix, whether it was alcohol, nicotine or THC. **** being an addict.
Having said that, I currently am addicted to sugar, caffeine, fast food, pron, *****(though I'm currently teetotalling cause I'm weird), MMA and posting on internet forums.
I think the obsession our government seems to have with combatting marijuana is bull**** and a smokescreen for some agenda they're advancing unbeknowenst to most Americans, while I do recognize that people who unfortunately get involved with harder drugs(heroin and **** like that), start with mild stuff like mary jane.
It's not BECAUSE of the herb, it's just that reefer is milder and logically people view it as safer. Basically I agree that recreational usage is ok and that by legalizing it they'd get rid of more problems than they have in keeping it illegal. There are lots of other related crimes that exist just because of the inordinate policies we have in place to combat marijuana sales and distribion.
**** it, light em if you got em. Blaze away, just not restaurants and **** where I gotta suck it up.
Oh yeah, it's also obvious, if you know how greedy our politicians are and how dedicated they are to advancing their own wealth that they are more than likely getting more money by importing the **** themselves, illegally than what they'd make if it was illegal so .... I knew you knew that. Just sayin ....
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