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Bigdaddy_Vh
12-29-2009, 11:00 PM
this is playing off of the other thread about overrated fighters. what fighters through history can you think of that were lauded as being the next big thing as they were coming up only to flame out when the real competition hit.

Tommy Morrison
Michael Grant
Francisco Bohado
David Reid(though i think this one may have more to do with his eye injury)
Sam Peter
Zahir Raheem
Joel Julio(may be jumping the gun here)

any others you guys can come up with?

psychoboy
12-29-2009, 11:05 PM
Edison Miranda
Kelly Pavlik
ricky Hatton

betwen others......

Thread Stealer
12-29-2009, 11:10 PM
Francisco Bojado was the first to come to mind.

Oba Carr, to a lesser extent. He had a lot of hype when he was on the rise, a Kronk fighter appearing on USA Tuesday Night Fights and having an endorsement deal. Early on he had that scare against Livingstone Bramble and was fortunate to win the decision. He was a pretty good fighter, but not enough to reach that highest level, and also had the misfortune of being in the same era as welterweights such as Felix Trinidad, Oscar De La Hoya, and Ike Quartey.

Joey Giardello
12-29-2009, 11:12 PM
this is playing off of the other thread about overrated fighters. what fighters through history can you think of that were lauded as being the next big thing as they were coming up only to flame out when the real competition hit.

Tommy Morrison
Michael Grant
Francisco Bohado
David Reid(though i think this one may have more to do with his eye injury)
Sam Peter
Zahir Raheem
Joel Julio(may be jumping the gun here)

any others you guys can come up with?

david reid become world champion and made 3 defences of his title, he had a super fight with trinidad, he does not belong on this list

BennyST
12-29-2009, 11:51 PM
Edison Miranda
Kelly Pavlik
ricky Hatton

betwen others......

Pavlik and Hatton? I don't think so. :lol1:

They both became good world champions. :nonono:

Tyrone Trice. He was meant to be the next Tommy Hearns in the Kronk gym but got knocked out by the 'journeyman' Freddie Pendleton in the first round. He had huge expectations.

Steve McCrory was another with very high hopes. The brother of world champ Milton McCrory. Won the USA amateur championships twice and also won gold at the Olympics in '84. His first big shot was against Jeff Fenech when he was an unbeaten prospect and Fenech was also a young prospect who had only just won his first title with about ten fights. Unfortunately he got dominated and knocked out in fourteen rounds. Great fight though. He never really attained much after that though.

Slimey Limey
12-29-2009, 11:51 PM
Edison Miranda
Kelly Pavlik
ricky Hatton

betwen others......

None of these were epic fails. Do your homework.


TS: Joe Frazier's son.
And all of the lads from that boxing reality show.

BennyST
12-29-2009, 11:53 PM
Francisco Bojado was the first to come to mind.

Oba Carr, to a lesser extent. He had a lot of hype when he was on the rise, a Kronk fighter appearing on USA Tuesday Night Fights and having an endorsement deal. Early on he had that scare against Livingstone Bramble and was fortunate to win the decision. He was a pretty good fighter, but not enough to reach that highest level, and also had the misfortune of being in the same era as welterweights such as Felix Trinidad, Oscar De La Hoya, and Ike Quartey.

Yep. You'd have to have been another Ray Leonard to get through that lot without a loss. Great era of WW's. Carr would have been a good champion in today's era.

Silencers
12-30-2009, 12:22 AM
Tony Ayala Jr., I've heard that Bernard Mays was a very good prospect out of Kronk but had bad drinking problems that derailed his career. Tyrell Biggs never lived up to his hype. Ike Ibeabuchi etc. etc. Boxing is full of prospects who never lived up to expectations.

1SILVA
12-30-2009, 12:47 AM
this is playing off of the other thread about overrated fighters. what fighters through history can you think of that were lauded as being the next big thing as they were coming up only to flame out when the real competition hit.

Tommy Morrison
Michael Grant
Francisco Bohado
David Reid(though i think this one may have more to do with his eye injury)
Sam Peter
Zahir Raheem
Joel Julio(may be jumping the gun here)

any others you guys can come up with?

Sugar ray seales
Alex Ramos
Curtis Parker
Clarence Vinson
Ricardo Williams
James Broad
Paul Gonzales
Alberto Sandoval
Jerome Coffee
Rocky Juarez
Brian Adams
Audley Harrison
Duane Bobick
Gerry Cooney

Bigdaddy_Vh
12-30-2009, 01:08 AM
Sugar ray seales
Alex Ramos
Curtis Parker
Clarence Vinson
Ricardo Williams
James Broad
Paul Gonzales
Alberto Sandoval
Jerome Coffee
Rocky Juarez
Brian Adams
Audley Harrison
Duane Bobick
Gerry Cooney

holy **** cant believe i forgot Audley!!!!

Bigdaddy_Vh
12-30-2009, 01:15 AM
david reid become world champion and made 3 defences of his title, he had a super fight with trinidad, he does not belong on this list

i would say you could argue either way. yeah he won the wba belt and defended it, he beat kevin kelly, but he also lost to sam hill by tko who has a current record of 17-11.(this may have been because of the eye though) my whole point was that he didnt live up to his superstar potential. BUT, i see your point as being valid as well. BTW do you actually own that fight poster in your avatar. if you do, i would love to get a hold of a print of it.

p.s. i will also note that there is alot of criticism from his management for allowing him to face a veteran like Trinidad in his 12th professional fight. this may be the reason he never made it to superstardom

TBear
12-30-2009, 01:35 AM
Alot of title winners made the list here. When I tend to think of prospects that failed, I think of prospects that are highly regarded and get bumped off along the way. To me the of the guys named, once they won a title they woud be eliminated from "prospects who became nothing" list.

Olympians like Andrew Maynard, Anthony Hembrick and Hugh "buttons" Kearny are more like it. Recent failures like Tokunbo Olajide and Cuban Jorge Luis Gonzalez. Gonzalez himself beat Lennox Lewis and Riddick Bowe in the amateurs and made it 23-0 as a prospect. After that Gonzalez went 8-8 in his next 16. Audley Harrison is also a prime example!

BennyST
12-30-2009, 02:52 AM
Tony Ayala Jr., I've heard that Bernard Mays was a very good prospect out of Kronk but had bad drinking problems that derailed his career. Tyrell Biggs never lived up to his hype. Ike Ibeabuchi etc. etc. Boxing is full of prospects who never lived up to expectations.

Forgot about Ayala. Some people still think he could have been the greatest ever. I personally think that's ridiculous. He could have been good, but he was too hittable, and was too much of a slugger to really be great.

cooper5
12-30-2009, 03:19 AM
Ike Ibeabuchi was like Ayala in alot of ways, bright future and a chance to make some good money. He messed up and never reached the top.

Silencers
12-30-2009, 03:32 AM
Forgot about Ayala. Some people still think he could have been the greatest ever. I personally think that's ridiculous. He could have been good, but he was too hittable, and was too much of a slugger to really be great.

Yeah, he wouldn't have been that great but I think he would've been a titlist for sure, the guy had very good skills and showed great fire in the ring, sometimes too much. But yeah, his defense was not the best, especially for right hands over the top, he used to rely on rolling with them, didn't always work out.

psychoboy
12-30-2009, 07:48 AM
[QUOTE=BennyST;7121244]Pavlik and Hatton? I don't think so. :lol1:

They both became good world champions. :nonono:

and Obama was Nobel prize, and???
you can see the list of world champions and you be surprised how many deadweights there.

Hatton always failed on important occasions except with tszyu, you can tell me what does it mean??

Pavlik was probably one of the most promising fighters of the last years and however their most important performances, for me ,were Miranda and the first with Taylor.

psychoboy
12-30-2009, 07:53 AM
Pavlik and Hatton? I don't think so. :lol1:

They both became good world champions. :nonono:

Tyrone Trice. He was meant to be the next Tommy Hearns in the Kronk gym but got knocked out by the 'journeyman' Freddie Pendleton in the first round. He had huge expectations.

Steve McCrory was another with very high hopes. The brother of world champ Milton McCrory. Won the USA amateur championships twice and also won gold at the Olympics in '84. His first big shot was against Jeff Fenech when he was an unbeaten prospect and Fenech was also a young prospect who had only just won his first title with about ten fights. Unfortunately he got dominated and knocked out in fourteen rounds. Great fight though. He never really attained much after that though.

[QUOTE=Slimey Limey;7121250]None of these were epic fails. Do your homework.

and Obama was Nobel prize, and???
you can see the list of world champions and you be surprised how many deadweights there.

Hatton always failed on important occasions except with tszyu, you can tell me what does it mean??

Pavlik was probably one of the most promising fighters of the last years and however their most important performances, for me ,were Miranda and the first with Taylor.

1SILVA
12-30-2009, 11:12 AM
Alot of title winners made the list here. When I tend to think of prospects that failed, I think of prospects that are highly regarded and get bumped off along the way. To me the of the guys named, once they won a title they woud be eliminated from "prospects who became nothing" list.

Olympians like Andrew Maynard, Anthony Hembrick and Hugh "buttons" Kearny are more like it. Recent failures like Tokunbo Olajide and Cuban Jorge Luis Gonzalez. Gonzalez himself beat Lennox Lewis and Riddick Bowe in the amateurs and made it 23-0 as a prospect. After that Gonzalez went 8-8 in his next 16. Audley Harrison is also a prime example!

After Gonzalez got exposed by Riddick Bowe, he became a punching bag.

bklynboy
12-30-2009, 12:37 PM
Edison Miranda
Kelly Pavlik
ricky Hatton

betwen others......

Well, if that's the case, you might as well include Mike Tyson to the list. But I think the OP was thinking about talents who never made it, not people who self-destructed like Tyson or Wilfred Benitez or numerous others who didn't live up to their potentional.

psychoboy
12-30-2009, 01:19 PM
Well, if that's the case, you might as well include Mike Tyson to the list. But I think the OP was thinking about talents who never made it, not people who self-destructed like Tyson or Wilfred Benitez or numerous others who didn't live up to their potentional.

agree, I take it like promising fighters that donīt meet expectations

PureBoxingCEO
12-30-2009, 01:33 PM
Victor Ortiz all the way

freudianfloyd
12-30-2009, 02:04 PM
Well if you are going to include Tommy Morrison, you might as well include David Tua and Shannon Briggs.

And don't forget Zab Judah.

Amazinger
12-30-2009, 02:04 PM
this is playing off of the other thread about overrated fighters. what fighters through history can you think of that were lauded as being the next big thing as they were coming up only to flame out when the real competition hit.

Tommy Morrison
Michael Grant
Francisco Bohado
David Reid(though i think this one may have more to do with his eye injury)
Sam Peter
Zahir Raheem
Joel Julio(may be jumping the gun here)

any others you guys can come up with?

Tony Ayala and Sugar Ramos.

Spray_resistant
12-30-2009, 02:24 PM
Sugar ray seales
Alex Ramos
Curtis Parker
Clarence Vinson
Ricardo Williams
James Broad
Paul Gonzales
Alberto Sandoval
Jerome Coffee
Rocky Juarez
Brian Adams
Audley Harrison
Duane Bobick
Gerry Cooney
I really saw some potential in him after the Olympics in 2000......what happened?

Bundana
12-30-2009, 03:28 PM
About 40 years ago spanish stone-lifter Jose Manuel Ibar Urtain was a huge sensation, with 30 straight knockouts - but faded away after being outboxed and stopped by Henry Cooper.

Around the same time american heavyweight Mac Foster was seemingly heading for the big-time, knocking out his first 24 opponents... but was then exposed by Jerry Quarry, who stopped him in 6 rounds after giving the crude Foster a boxing lesson.

Golden Bantam
12-30-2009, 03:54 PM
Ike Ibeabuchi was like Ayala in alot of ways, bright future and a chance to make some good money. He messed up and never reached the top.

Ibeabuchi looked so good when destroying (a prime) Chris Byrd and dominating the always dangerous David Tua. The championship would be just a matter of time for him.

What a waste of talent. :dead:


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El Jesus
12-30-2009, 04:00 PM
The first name that came to mind was Bojado, since he seemed to have the speed, the combinations, but also the movement. he had a decent chin, but his movement is what got me thinking that this guy was going to be either king at 140 or close to it. I remember thinking when he won his title that if he knocked out leija, he would get a shot at Vivian Harris, and then fight either cotto or mayweather or someone like that down the road. I actually gave him a good shot at beating any of those guys at 140 (gatti, mayweather, harris, hatton, cotto).

Regardless, someone brought up Gonzalez, that guy was lucky enough to have a casino behind him, basically they backed him through the idea that he would become champion and be their main attraction, but like someone mentioned, he caught a few exposals and was basically finished from there.

Bigdaddy_Vh
12-30-2009, 08:35 PM
Victor Ortiz all the way

i was going to put his name down as well but i think its a little early to tell. just like i may be jumping the gun with joel julio

Dynamite76
12-30-2009, 09:52 PM
Irving Mitchell
Richard Savage
Jackie Beard
Bernard Taylor.

TBear
12-30-2009, 10:04 PM
Amazing how many of these promising fighters could have gone alot further had they had better management and training.

prometheuslord
01-01-2010, 03:57 AM
don't forget rey "boom boom" bautista. looked like a KO artist in the mold of manny pacquiao, but was ruined by ponce de leon.

then again, he's 23, so... he has time

rayr0683
01-17-2011, 04:13 PM
Hello,
I boxed at Reddish Boxing Club when Curtis Parker was still 15-0....then came his 3 quick losses. He didn't catch a break, he fought contender after contender. its a shame, Curtis was a True gentleman, who deserved a better chance. His small frame and arms worked against him.

Im surprised you mentioned James Broad. I remember the early 1980's very well in Philly. The Top Heavies were....Marvis Frazier, Tyrell Biggs, James Broad, and Joe Thomas. Of all of them, Joe Thomas went on to be the 1981 National Golden Gloves Heavyweight Champion. He did fight James Broad, and I was Ringside, in Wildwood,NJ. James Broad knocked Joe Thomas down kinda quick..almost a slip. The sound of these 2 Giants in the Ring was amazing, and scary. They were both Huge....Joe Thomas was actually bigger. As soon as he hit the canvas, he jumped back to his feet, but his Trainer, Steve Traitz Sr. threw in the towell. Joe was angry at that, but he explained to Joe that he didnt want to risk him getting hurt, prior to turning pro, and the Golden Gloves. But its True, Im surprised that none of those that I mentioned, Heavyweights....ever became anything. Ray






Sugar ray seales
Alex Ramos
Curtis Parker
Clarence Vinson
Ricardo Williams
James Broad
Paul Gonzales
Alberto Sandoval
Jerome Coffee
Rocky Juarez
Brian Adams
Audley Harrison
Duane Bobick
Gerry Cooney

Miburo
01-17-2011, 04:23 PM
More than ever became champions.

katsidis
01-17-2011, 04:45 PM
Marvis Frazier, Ronald Hearns (although he does have a world title fight so we can give him a bit of slack)