Watching MAB-Morales III, and noting how many big rights MAB got from Erik, a question sneaked up on me: Has Erik really brought with him the punch he packed as a Jr. Feather when he moved up in weight as seems to be widely thought?

Checking Morales' record, one finds that he has not put anyone away at Jr. Light! And at Featherweight, he had four ko victims, the most prominent of whom is Kevin Kelly whom he KOd in the 7th at El Paso in Sept 2000, when Kelly had already lost two of his last 6 fights. Kelly had earlier been trounced in 4 rounds by Naseem Hamed and even lost to a Benito Rodriguez who was 30-29-2 going into their meeting! Kelly had also drawn with an 18-8 Tommy Parks a couple of years before meeting Morales!

Another of Erik's victim was Gutty Espadas, Jr. whom he met twice. Morales failed to put Espadas away in their first bout--that he beat Espadas in the official cards was even widely viewed as controversial! Their second meeting, about two or three years later, had Erik making short work of Guty in 3. But Espadas had been KOd by William Abelyan who took the fight as a replacement on 4 days notice! Espadas fell once in the 6th and again in the 8th to Abelyan. Perhaps an indication of matchmakers' view of Espadas at this stage in his career is his slated fight at Bally's in Atlantic City against the up-and-coming former Olympic star, Rocky Juarez, on Dec. 3. That would be Espadas' 2nd fight after losing to Morales. He had gone up against Ramon Perez, whose record, as far as can be determined is that he is winless. It took Espadas 10 rounds to wrest a win by TKO.

Most of ERik's KO feats were achieved when he was a Superbantam. At that weight, he was a lumberjack!

What do you think?

Note: In another thread, I predicted a Morales win by Majority D, i.e., two judges calling it for Morales and one seeing it a draw. The result: Barrera by Majority D! Whew! :o :D

Erik is a good puncher...fairly dangerous.
He'd be a better puncher if he had a better left hand.
He's too right hand happy.

Erik is a good puncher...fairly dangerous.
He'd be a better puncher if he had a better left hand.
He's too right hand happy.I see your point Jabs...

And Manny also has a fondness for his left; too much fondness for my taste, I must add. IMHO, it was that proclevity to throw lefts most of the time that put him in some predicaments during the JMM fight, after the initial round.

But the first round showcased power, don't you think? One doesn't deposit a Marquez too easily on a canvass; not three times in a single round. That, alongside the Barrera fight, demonstrates to me that Pac brought what he had at the lower weights up to featherweight. :)

I'm a little at a loss as to what happened to Erik's power as he went up in weight... :) Chavez and Carlos Hernandez are not exactly today's jr. lightweight versions of George Chuvalo and Tex Cobb... I think.

I have no question about Morales punching power,but his defence was M.I.A. this Sat night, just getting hit at a high %, MAB was picking and landing his shots, I dont know what Morales was thinking going in with his hands that low at times, still a good fight I had it 115-113 for MAB

Manny Pacquiao, though left-hand happy, is a far bigger puncher than Erik.

Erik's right is hard, but he doesn't set it up enough..& can get predictable.

I have no question about Morales punching power,but his defence was M.I.A. this Sat night, just getting hit at a high %, MAB was picking and landing his shots, I dont know what Morales was thinking going in with his hands that low at times, still a good fight I had it 115-113 for MAB

Erik will never have a good defense for a motivated Barrera.
Barerra is TOO FAST of hand for Morales.
Morales is very lucky that Marco rests after throwing a flurry.
If MAB could sustain the attack more, he would brutally KO Morales.

Manny Pacquiao, though left-hand happy, is a far bigger puncher than Erik.

Erik's right is hard, but he doesn't set it up enough..& can get predictable.Yeah...Looking back to last Saturday, he failed to set up well, though he landed a few. There was that eloquent straight in one of the middle rounds...

Yup, both he and Manny should spend more time in the gym on putting the "other hand" (Manny's right and Erik's left) to better and more frequent use. :)

The punch that Morales knocked Chavez down and really hurt him with was a left uppercut correct?

Yeah, if he used his left more he would KO more guys. At 130 he is still a dangerous puncher. Probably not a 1 punch KO guy but a good puncher.

Watching MAB-Morales III, and noting how many big rights MAB got from Erik, a question sneaked up on me: Has Erik really brought with him the punch he packed as a Jr. Feather when he moved up in weight as seems to be widely thought?

Checking Morales' record, one finds that he has not put anyone away at Jr. Light! And at Featherweight, he had four ko victims, the most prominent of whom is Kevin Kelly whom he KOd in the 7th at El Paso in Sept 2000, when Kelly had already lost two of his last 6 fights. Kelly had earlier been trounced in 4 rounds by Naseem Hamed and even lost to a Benito Rodriguez who was 30-29-2 going into their meeting! Kelly had also drawn with an 18-8 Tommy Parks a couple of years before meeting Morales!

Another of Erik's victim was Gutty Espadas, Jr. whom he met twice. Morales failed to put Espadas away in their first bout--that he beat Espadas in the official cards was even widely viewed as controversial! Their second meeting, about two or three years later, had Erik making short work of Guty in 3. But Espadas had been KOd by William Abelyan who took the fight as a replacement on 4 days notice! Espadas fell once in the 6th and again in the 8th to Abelyan. Perhaps an indication of matchmakers' view of Espadas at this stage in his career is his slated fight at Bally's in Atlantic City against the up-and-coming former Olympic star, Rocky Juarez, on Dec. 3. That would be Espadas' 2nd fight after losing to Morales. He had gone up against Ramon Perez, whose record, as far as can be determined is that he is winless. It took Espadas 10 rounds to wrest a win by TKO.

Most of ERik's KO feats were achieved when he was a Superbantam. At that weight, he was a lumberjack!

What do you think?

Note: In another thread, I predicted a Morales win by Majority D, i.e., two judges calling it for Morales and one seeing it a draw. The result: Barrera by Majority D! Whew! :o :D


thanks for the great rundown on morales grayfish.
replying to your note i thought those judges had it too close. i had it 8 rounds to 4 for barrera as did some other boxing site commentators. hey the castillo/casamayor this comeing up weekend should be an asswrencher maybe along the same lines of eric/marco. :rolleyes:

The punch that Morales knocked Chavez down and really hurt him with was a left uppercut correct?

Yeah, if he used his left more he would KO more guys. At 130 he is still a dangerous puncher. Probably not a 1 punch KO guy but a good puncher.

Lu....

I'm pretty sure it was a right uppercut.

thanks for the great rundown on morales grayfish.
replying to your note i thought those judges had it too close. i had it 8 rounds to 4 for barrera as did some other boxing site commentators. hey the castillo/casamayor this comeing up weekend should be an asswrencher maybe along the same lines of eric/marco. :rolleyes:You're pretty much welcome, Steel... :) And, yes, CASTILLO-CASA ought to be. :D 'Tis a season to be jolly, ain't it?!!!

Morales punch at 130 is not that devastating I have been saying this for awhile now. He has a very good punch and can really hurt his opponents if he catches them in the right spot or by surprise but he can't just go out and really hurt his opponents the way alot of people thought.

That BIG overhand right smack on the face of Barrera, was it rd7?, didn't shake MAB a bit...just chewed it and spat it out.

IMO Morales lost some pop in his punches.

EM couldn't put away a 1-armed Chavez and Hernandez who looked more like a punching bag.

That BIG overhand right smack on the face of Barrera, was it rd7?, didn't shake MAB a bit...just chewed it and spat it out.

IMO Morales lost some pop in his punches.

EM couldn't put away a 1-armed Chavez and Hernandez who looked more like a punching bag.Hi, pal! Yes, that overhand right! Somewhere at the start of the round, as I recall; though I don't remember exactly which round! Twas one big beauty! But, you said it: about what MAB did to it! Boy!

Saying, Erik has lost SOME of the pop, is, I guess the best way to put it. He still can dish it at the higher weights but what he has now looks less meaner than what he had at Superbantam.

I think that's what mic573 is saying as well in his post on this thread. He said he's been saying that for quite a time now, so, I guess I should have listened to mic earlier. :)

Erik's last KO victim, that I heard of, before meeting Guty in the rematch was a hapless Eddie Croft, in what was a widely criticized match-up. Eddie had lost 5 of his last 6 fights before meeting Morales in Tijuana! Many feared for Eddie's life! The abbreviated ending (3? I'm not sure.) was Erik's gift to Croft for showing up, I guess... :rolleyes: :D

About Chavez: Jesus was in deep trouble, but Erik failed to put him away. Re: Carlos, he was target practice, yes, but stayed on his feet till last bell. :(
Good to see you, buddy!

Hi, pal! Yes, that overhand right! Somewhere at the start of the round, as I recall; though I don't remember exactly which round! Twas one big beauty! But, you said it: about what MAB did to it! Boy!

Saying, Erik has lost SOME of the pop, is, I guess the best way to put it. He still can dish it at the higher weights but what he has now looks less meaner than what he had at Superbantam.

I think that's what mic573 is saying as well in his post on this thread. He said he's been saying that for quite a time now, so, I guess I should have listened to mic earlier. :)

Erik's last KO victim, that I heard of, before meeting Guty in the rematch was a hapless Eddie Croft, in what was a widely criticized match-up. Eddie had lost 5 of his last 6 fights before meeting Morales in Tijuana! Many feared for Eddie's life! The abbreviated ending (3? I'm not sure.) was Erik's gift to Croft for showing up, I guess... :rolleyes: :D

About Chavez: Jesus was in deep trouble, but Erik failed to put him away. Re: Carlos, he was target practice, yes, but stayed on his feet till last bell. :(
Good to see you, buddy!

What I cannot understand is how Erik failed to realize that Chavez wasn't throwing his right hand? I mean how?!?!

Anyweyz, no I don't think that Erik has brought his power at 130.
His very accurate with his punches specially when he controls the distance. His KOs in the past, putting his size aside, were more of accumulation of punches with pinpoint precision. And when you get hit that clean that often, you can only take so much.

He had some power but not enough to hurt MAB and keep him at bay or make him think twice about coming forward. You can tell with the way MAB took some of those shots. Erik lost to an opponent made to beat him. A fighter who was quick, strong, determined and who wasn't afraid to take a shot just to give one back.

What I cannot understand is how Erik failed to realize that Chavez wasn't throwing his right hand? I mean how?!?!

Anyweyz, no I don't think that Erik has brought his power at 130.
His very accurate with his punches specially when he controls the distance. His KOs in the past, putting his size aside, were more of accumulation of punches with pinpoint precision. And when you get hit that clean that often, you can only take so much.

He had some power but not enough to hurt MAB and keep him at bay or make him think twice about coming forward. You can tell with the way MAB took some of those shots. Erik lost to an opponent made to beat him. A fighter who was quick, strong, determined and who wasn't afraid to take a shot just to give one back.Hi, pal! :) Re: Chavez, yes. How could not have Erik seen that Chavez was an one-armed foe? Morales' father, his entire corner, missed that too? I don't get that at all, either! And he had Chavez at the verge with an uppercut! Why did he fail to finish?

Now that you mentioned the distinctive accuracy of the Superbantam Morales, one recalls how often he missed last Saturday! And, while pundits expected an abundant display of the stiff Morales jab, t'was Barrera who showed he had a good one as well! He put that on show in good moments, as he also indicated he didn't leave any of his arsenal at home-- he had such great body shots, including a number of thuds to the liver, just to mention one specific item in his arsenal! And it was the smaller MAB who was trying to roughouse the bigger Morales! :)

Hi, pal! :) Re: Chavez, yes. How could not have Erik seen that Chavez was an one-armed foe? Morales' father, his entire corner, missed that too? I don't get that at all, either! And he had Chavez at the verge with an uppercut! Why did he fail to finish?

Now that you mentioned the distinctive accuracy of the Superbantam Morales, one recalls how often he missed last Saturday! And, while pundits expected an abundant display of the stiff Morales jab, t'was Barrera who showed he had a good one as well! He put that on show in good moments, as he also indicated he didn't leave any of his arsenal at home-- he had such great body shots, including a number of thuds to the liver, just to mention one specific item in his arsenal! And it was the smaller MAB who was trying to roughouse the bigger Morales! :)

Hey man.
Morlales waited on Barrera. He couldn't cope with MAB's speed and accuracy in counterpunching. He did not know what was in front of him. When you picture how your match can go in your head, you can be surprised come fight night. I gotta tell you , Mab's left hook followed by a left upeprcut was sweet indeed. Anyweyz, Barrera knew Morales too well after 24 rounds. Plus with EM's head in the air he knew he had the edge in preparation.

Hey man.
Morlales waited on Barrera. He couldn't cope with MAB's speed and accuracy in counterpunching. He did not know what was in front of him. When you picture how your match can go in your head, you can be surprised come fight night. I gotta tell you , Mab's left hook followed by a left upeprcut was sweet indeed. Anyweyz, Barrera knew Morales too well after 24 rounds. Plus with EM's head in the air he knew he had the edge in preparation.Morales is known to be a slow starter, so when it appeared that MAB was in a fight in the earliest rounds, many felt it was just a case of the habitual Morales slow start. But when it got to round 6, it was Barrera who ratcheted it up a notch!

It's just ludicrous to start fighting only past round 6, even for a slow starter!(I gave Morales rounds 7 and 8 but the 9th was again MAB's)

May be your right. Morales waited and waited too much. He was setting up for a KO punch, but managed none. It looked to me that he had committed himself to a KO win, what with his being such the bigger fella. 143 lbs that he brought into the ring, was it? So, he kept looking for that big shot.

The times he put a few together, he missed or was just forced to to ward off MAB who initiated most of the time. In their 2nd fight, Erik had managed to measure up to what MAB had to offer in terms of quickness, although he lost that in the official tally. (I'm one of those who thought, Morales won the 2nd meeting while MAB took the 1st, but officially lost).

I won't put up the house on this, but I fleetingly saw ( :rolleyes: maybe it's just me who saw this, or I was seeing things) what I suspected as a look of surprise in the eyes of Morales in round 3, when MAB just kept coming in, after
he gave MAB some in round 2 (if someone took round 2, I saw it as Eric's; ever so slightly). May be he was really convinced that he could take MAB out, and when he failed to do that, he was a tad dispirited, but sufficiently so for MAB to take advantage.

Whatever. All I seem to have seen was an apparent lack of conscious effort (a resolve...a conviction, if you will) on the part of Erik to impose his will. MAB, on the other hand, was trying to do exactly that---even went so far as to employ a few bullying tactics. And to think he is the smaller man!

Well,WILL, aka, DESIRE, may have been what separated them. THE ONE WHO HAD MORE OF IT WON, I think.:)

Its not will, its not heart, its not desire, its a bad style matchup for Morales and it always will be plain and simple. If these two guys fight 100 times its always gonna look like this.

No Morales has not brought his punch up to 130, like someone said before at 122 he had a wicked right.

As far as Chavez goes its hard to KO someone when they have there hand glued to the side of there face.

thanks for the great rundown on morales grayfish.
replying to your note i thought those judges had it too close. i had it 8 rounds to 4 for barrera as did some other boxing site commentators. hey the castillo/casamayor this comeing up weekend should be an asswrencher maybe along the same lines of eric/marco. :rolleyes:


That's how I saw it too. 116 to 112 for MAB. 8 rounds Mab AND 4 rounds for Eric . . . I just can't understand why 1 judge saw that at 114/114 . . . even? :D

Hi, pal! Yes, that overhand right! Somewhere at the start of the round, as I recall; though I don't remember exactly which round! Twas one big beauty! But, you said it: about what MAB did to it! Boy!

Saying, Erik has lost SOME of the pop, is, I guess the best way to put it. He still can dish it at the higher weights but what he has now looks less meaner than what he had at Superbantam.

I think that's what mic573 is saying as well in his post on this thread. He said he's been saying that for quite a time now, so, I guess I should have listened to mic earlier. :)

Erik's last KO victim, that I heard of, before meeting Guty in the rematch was a hapless Eddie Croft, in what was a widely criticized match-up. Eddie had lost 5 of his last 6 fights before meeting Morales in Tijuana! Many feared for Eddie's life! The abbreviated ending (3? I'm not sure.) was Erik's gift to Croft for showing up, I guess... :rolleyes: :D

About Chavez: Jesus was in deep trouble, but Erik failed to put him away. Re: Carlos, he was target practice, yes, but stayed on his feet till last bell. :(
Good to see you, buddy!


That's right Bros Eric connected with his right both on the 7th and 8th rounds. The most clear power punch that Eric gave MAB on the whole fight.

He punches pretty hard, But like jabs said he is a little to right hand happy. He might not have Koed anyone in his last 3 fights at 130 but he dropped both the 130 lb champs. Hernandez himself tasted the power and elected by his own admision to stay in the safety zone where Morales couldnt tag him with full power at the same time hinder his own ability to land good shots on Erik. Barrera who hates him also testifies his power is very good, and in the fight it was though Morale's activity level was pretty poor compared to previous performance he hurt Barrera on more than one occasion.

Its not will, its not heart, its not desire, its a bad style matchup for Morales and it always will be plain and simple. If these two guys fight 100 times its always gonna look like this.

No Morales has not brought his punch up to 130, like someone said before at 122 he had a wicked right.

As far as Chavez goes its hard to KO someone when they have there hand glued to the side of there face.If the matchup is so bad, the first two fights wouldn't have been so close as to be controversial, wouldn't it be? If it were so bad a match-up--plain and simple, as you put it-- for Morales, wouldn't it make sense that Barrera would have dominated in all three fights? Morales, was widely seen as having won the second fight although he lost in the tally. If the match-up is simply bad, doesn't it make sense that he would have had lost that too? :confused:

If they fought 100 times, it would look exactly like the trilogy, you say. Each of those 100 will be just as close then? How simply bad a match-up can be when each of the two has a chance to win? Isn't it emblematic of a good match-up that results are close, instead of when results are close, a match-up is bad for one the fighters?

Forgive me, but I have always thought that the best fights are those where the two protagonists have, each, good chances of winning. And when those fights comprise a series of meetings between two EVENLY MATCHED FIGHTERS, they're sometimes dubbed as "rivalries" (especially, when bad blood gets into the mix). Wasn't MAB-Morales one?

So, ok, in the eyes of many, in the third meeting, MAB was superior. But can anyone say, he so dominated Morales that the match was not good for Morales, so plain and so simple? It was not as if Morales didn't get a single round! :confused: If the third match wasn't any good for Morales because of their respective styles, how can the two previous fights be good for Morales when basically both brought the same styles to the three fights with but minor adjustments? Again, I must point out, Morales is widely perceived as having taken the second outing! How bad was that match-up for him if his style wasn't any good to take on Barrera?!

I am inclined to agree with you however, that Morales hasn't seem to have brought much of his power with him from 122 to 130. ;) And, if you look at the thread starter, you will find that that is exactly the question that is being raised.

About Chavez, wouldn't it be easier to knock out a guy who punched only with one hand than one who kept punching with two? Wouldn't it be a lot less trouble to just wade in and deliver a whammy to the sucker? One need not have to worry too much about being counter-punched, after all! :rolleyes:

If the matchup is so bad, the first two fights wouldn't have been so close as to be controversial, wouldn't it be? If it were so bad a match-up--plain and simple, as you put it-- for Morales, wouldn't it make sense that Barrera would have dominated in all three fights? Morales, was widely seen as having won the second fight although he lost in the tally. If the match-up is simply bad, doesn't it make sense that he would have had lost that too? :confused:

If they fought 100 times, it would look exactly like the trilogy, you say. Each of those 100 will be just as close then? How simply bad a match-up can be when each of the two has a chance to win? Isn't it emblematic of a good match-up that results are close, instead of when results are close, a match-up is bad for one the fighters?

Forgive me, but I have always thought that the best fights are those where the two protagonists have, each, good chances of winning. And when those fights comprise a series of meetings between two EVENLY MATCHED FIGHTERS, they're sometimes dubbed as "rivalries" (especially, when bad blood gets into the mix). Wasn't MAB-Morales one?

So, ok, in the eyes of many, in the third meeting, MAB was superior. But can anyone say, he so dominated Morales that the match was not good for Morales, so plain and so simple? It was not as if Morales didn't get a single round! :confused: If the third match wasn't any good for Morales because of their respective styles, how can the two previous fights be good for Morales when basically both brought the same styles to the three fights with but minor adjustments? Again, I must point out, Morales is widely perceived as having taken the second outing! How bad was that match-up for him if his style wasn't any good to take on Barrera?!

I am inclined to agree with you however, that Morales hasn't seem to have brought much of his power with him from 122 to 130. ;) And, if you look at the thread starter, you will find that that is exactly the question that is being raised.

About Chavez, wouldn't it be easier to knock out a guy who punched only with one hand than one who kept punching with two? Wouldn't it be a lot less trouble to just wade in and deliver a whammy to the sucker? One need not have to worry too much about being counter-punched, after all! :rolleyes:


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Perhaps the question is how much of a chin does MAB have?

Perhaps the question is how much of a chin does MAB have?That's a fair one; but how many times did MAB go down vs. Pacquiao, including the one in the sixth that the ref blew? And remember the first of the two Junior Jones-MAB fights? :)

Stack those up against the three Morales fights...?

Btw, Jones going into the fight vs. MAB had just a shade over 50% KO rate at 46 wins, 26 by KO/TKO. Morales, entered the ring last Saturday with a much more impressive KO rate: 46-1-0 with 34 KOs! Eight more than what Jones had when MAB's corner entered the ring after MAB fell twice before Jones resulting in a DQ5 at the Ice Palace in Tampa.

The question then is raised: how was Barrera able to stay on his feet (and even win two of the three meetings) against Morales who had 34 KOs and not be able to take Jones' who had 8 less KOs on his record? His chin held up to Erik's vaunted right, but he went down to Jones'! :confused:

I don't have THE answer, Pink... :) I can make a guess, but that's all can do... ;)

If the matchup is so bad, the first two fights wouldn't have been so close as to be controversial, wouldn't it be? If it were so bad a match-up--plain and simple, as you put it-- for Morales, wouldn't it make sense that Barrera would have dominated in all three fights? Morales, was widely seen as having won the second fight although he lost in the tally. If the match-up is simply bad, doesn't it make sense that he would have had lost that too? :confused:

If they fought 100 times, it would look exactly like the trilogy, you say. Each of those 100 will be just as close then? How simply bad a match-up can be when each of the two has a chance to win? Isn't it emblematic of a good match-up that results are close, instead of when results are close, a match-up is bad for one the fighters?

Forgive me, but I have always thought that the best fights are those where the two protagonists have, each, good chances of winning. And when those fights comprise a series of meetings between two EVENLY MATCHED FIGHTERS, they're sometimes dubbed as "rivalries" (especially, when bad blood gets into the mix). Wasn't MAB-Morales one?

So, ok, in the eyes of many, in the third meeting, MAB was superior. But can anyone say, he so dominated Morales that the match was not good for Morales, so plain and so simple? It was not as if Morales didn't get a single round! :confused: If the third match wasn't any good for Morales because of their respective styles, how can the two previous fights be good for Morales when basically both brought the same styles to the three fights with but minor adjustments? Again, I must point out, Morales is widely perceived as having taken the second outing! How bad was that match-up for him if his style wasn't any good to take on Barrera?!

I am inclined to agree with you however, that Morales hasn't seem to have brought much of his power with him from 122 to 130. ;) And, if you look at the thread starter, you will find that that is exactly the question that is being raised.

About Chavez, wouldn't it be easier to knock out a guy who punched only with one hand than one who kept punching with two? Wouldn't it be a lot less trouble to just wade in and deliver a whammy to the sucker? One need not have to worry too much about being counter-punched, after all! :rolleyes:

Well said, my friend! Just asking, how did you score the fight round by round? The fight has been shown to our local cable network twice, unlucky for me, i wasn't able to watch the second telecast. Could have been that my score was inaccurate because i scored it 114-114! Well, one of the judges scored it that way, so it could have been right. I noticed that even if Barrera was throwing a lot of punches more than what Morales has been throwing, it was the latter who has the better hand speed! And if Morales has the better hand speed, why didn't he use this to his advantage? Do you agree with me here?

Is there something wrong with Morales? I thought he could have done much better! There were some rounds like 7 and 8 when i thought he's beginning to find his rhythmn and win but after that, Barrera comes back hitting some good shots and throwing everything like there's no tomorrow. So what do Morales do next? Will he fight Barrera again?

Will Barrera fight Pacquiao next? I believe that Barrera's style fit perfectly for Pacman which the latter has slight advantage of. If I were Pacquiao's manager, I would advise him to go for Barrera. Forget JMM, he will just outsmart him with his counterpunching. Pacquiao was the same slugger fighter that i know, strong and quick, nothing more nothing less. Fits perfectly for Barrera's style, isn't it?

Well said, my friend! Just asking, how did you score the fight round by round? The fight has been shown to our local cable network twice, unlucky for me, i wasn't able to watch the second telecast. Could have been that my score was inaccurate because i scored it 114-114! Well, one of the judges scored it that way, so it could have been right. I noticed that even if Barrera was throwing a lot of punches more than what Morales has been throwing, it was the latter who has the better hand speed! And if Morales has the better hand speed, why didn't he use this to his advantage? Do you agree with me here?

Is there something wrong with Morales? I thought he could have done much better! There were some rounds like 7 and 8 when i thought he's beginning to find his rhythmn and win but after that, Barrera comes back hitting some good shots and throwing everything like there's no tomorrow. So what do Morales do next? Will he fight Barrera again?

Will Barrera fight Pacquiao next? I believe that Barrera's style fit perfectly for Pacman which the latter has slight advantage of. If I were Pacquiao's manager, I would advise him to go for Barrera. Forget JMM, he will just outsmart him with his counterpunching. Pacquiao was the same slugger fighter that i know, strong and quick, nothing more nothing less. Fits perfectly for Barrera's style, isn't it?Hi, Buddy! I'm afraid I scored it much like the HBO crew did: had it for Barrera-- cumulative. But I saw most of the rounds to be pretty close (I won't argue too stridently against anyone who'd call many of them even, though I would if many are outright given to Erik. :) ), except 6 and 9 which I thought was clearly MAB's and 7 and 8 which I thought was clearly Morales.
I gave Barrera the 1st and Erik, the 2nd; both ways ever so slightly.

Like you, I'm left wondering why Erik did not do many of the things he was expected to do-- jab liberally to set up his right, for example. I don't kinow if something was wrong with him. Some are saying on this site that he carried too much weight (143, it was reported).

Erik, with the loss, I think has slid lower on Pac's laundry list; but not because he has abruptly diminished his chances against the Filipino sensation. It's just that, boxing fanatics as well as many of the mainstreamers (those who watch only bigfights and would rather spend more time with SEX AND THE CITY...) appear to be leaning toward two rematches: PAC-MAB and PAC-JMM. They look at these as UNFINISHED business, and because $$$$ speak loud, these, IMHO, would be given closer looks by HBO suits and the bigtime promoters concerned. Morales-Pac does not have as much lure as these two "UNFINISHED" matters.

Let me quickly add however that I think Pac and Morales must meet, sometime, possibly after those two. I said, "possibly", because, who knows, Pac, himself, can be involved in a trilogy or two... ;) (That could make him pretty wealthy, pretty quickly!) If that happens, Erik may have to wait out his turn longer. Who knows...?

With respect JMM-MAB, I don't think that would generate as much urgency as the two I have mentioned. I even think that it would be a little south on the scale of what Pac-Morales would generate. But having said that, an interesting prospect, too, would be Morales-JMM, if weight issues don't get in the way. Don't you think so? :)

Note: I predicted in a thread prior to the bout that it would be MD- Morales, with one judge calling it a draw. Look where that got me! Ha! Ha! Ha! I'm eating crow, buddy! Oh, well, what do I know... :o

I see your point Jabs...

And Manny also has a fondness for his left; too much fondness for my taste, I must add. IMHO, it was that proclevity to throw lefts most of the time that put him in some predicaments during the JMM fight, after the initial round.

But the first round showcased power, don't you think? One doesn't deposit a Marquez too easily on a canvass; not three times in a single round. That, alongside the Barrera fight, demonstrates to me that Pac brought what he had at the lower weights up to featherweight. :)

I'm a little at a loss as to what happened to Erik's power as he went up in weight... :) Chavez and Carlos Hernandez are not exactly today's jr. lightweight versions of George Chuvalo and Tex Cobb... I think. Yeah, i dont see much power either.

How much of a punch does Morales really pack? [QUOTE]
Enough to beat your silly face.
JeJe

if y0u compare chins morales comes out on top by a mile

How much of a punch does Morales really pack? [QUOTE]
Enough to beat your silly face.
JeJe

Huh? enough to beat . . . my ASS! Is that your most sensible opinion? Your contribution to this thread?

Get out of here and get a life . . . see a doctor.

Huh? enough to beat . . . my ASS! Is that your most sensible opinion? Your contribution to this thread?

Get out of here and get a life . . . see a doctor.


shut the **** up *****, if thats his opinion then so what you ****ing ******, you dont like it get the **** out of here

Quit asking silly questions!!!
Get serious. How is anyone gonna know that answer unless you've been KOd by Morales. Get real, buddy...

Pacman has been down and out for count, just in case you forgot. Morales hasn't and wont. Not even Barrera has been down and out. Barrera was beaten silly but he didn't go down for the count, his corner threw in the towel while Barrera was still on his feet. Barrera has already proved that Pacman vs Barrera was a fluke. He was not ready to fight. Morales will outclass your Pacman for sure.
Mexican boxing power!!!

Barrera's excuses kill me!!! If he fought Pac again he'd get KO'ed.If he really wanted to fight Pac again he would've arranged to fight him after his win over Morales. MAB caught beatdowns from 2 lefties & it looks like he has trouble with lefties that are quick & skilled. Even with his fight against a game but overmatched Ayala MAB was hit by some good left hand shots. If Ayala had any power he would've really hurt MAB in that fight. Morales has lost his power edge since moving to 126 & especially 130. He's got ok power but not enough to overwhelm fighters like he did at 122.

Erik is a good puncher...fairly dangerous.
He'd be a better puncher if he had a better left hand.
He's too right hand happy.

good point...he relies on his right hand too much

Barrera has already proved that Pacman vs Barrera was a fluke. He was not ready to fight.

WOW!! Thanks for your comment.


See.... If you have problems with PAC extremist, Please remember that theres mexican version too :D

That's right Bros Eric connected with his right both on the 7th and 8th rounds. The most clear power punch that Eric gave MAB on the whole fight.
morales going up in a higher division is likened to what oscar dela hoya did in his previous fights..he was sluggish because of the added weight..he is not in his natural fighting weight, so, his punch may be a little bit softer...

shut the **** up *****, if thats his opinion then so what you ****ing ******, you dont like it get the **** out of here


*****? ******? Well well well what do we have here another tough ASS WANNA BE? :p Yeah class act . . . that's his opinon? Well I'm also posting my opinion . . . you have problem with that DICK HEAD? :D

I believe he has punching power even though you do not ko a fighter all you need is a good clean shot on the kisser and down you go, unless the fighter is blessed with a good chin.

If it connects it's heavy but his punches at 130 are no where near as devastating as when he was at feather and bantam.

Pacman has been down and out for count, just in case you forgot. Morales hasn't and wont. Not even Barrera has been down and out. Barrera was beaten silly but he didn't go down for the count, his corner threw in the towel while Barrera was still on his feet. Barrera has already proved that Pacman vs Barrera was a fluke. He was not ready to fight. Morales will outclass your Pacman for sure.
Mexican boxing power!!!

How teh **** did he prove that that night was a fluke?!? cuz he beat Morales?!?! If anything that would have added credability to Pacman's win. And Mexican Boxing Power?!?! LMAO :D

How teh **** did he prove that that night was a fluke?!? cuz he beat Morales?!?! If anything that would have added credability to Pacman's win. And Mexican Boxing Power?!?! LMAO :D

^lmao that made me laugh to he sounded like he was cheering for a superhero! MEXICAN BOXING POWER!!! sounding like the POWER RANGERS hahaha.

I believe mannys ko's were do to being way to small! manny is naturally 135 pounds he had to lose tons of weight to fight at 112 pounds that was unhealthy for him and it affects the way you take a punch as well.