im thinking pierre or silva.

im thinking pierre or silva.

lol what makes you say that? because dana says it?

St. Pierre definitley has the best resume, Anderson Silva is the most skilled.

St. Pierre definitley has the best resume, Anderson Silva is the most skilled.

fedor has the best resume and bj is the most skilled....ufc doesnt have great welters fitch is really good alves is ok

anderson is overrated and people just repeat what dana says..overrated ground game...muay thai is great but fight with forrest was fixed

UFC: Anderson Silva followed by GSP

MMA: Fedor.

lol what makes you say that? because dana says it?

dana said that? had no idea, i couldnt give a crap what he says anyways.

bj did lose to pierre, so i wouldnt count him as the most skilled.

dana said that? had no idea, i couldnt give a crap what he says anyways.

who u like as p4p man?

ok my bad then i apologize...my p4p in mma is fedor..i believe bj is the most complete fighter in mma

fedor has the best resume and bj is the most skilled....ufc doesnt have great welters fitch is really good alves is ok

anderson is overrated and people just repeat what dana says..overrated ground game...muay thai is great but fight with forrest was fixed

first off, the thread is about "UFC" p4p not MMA p4p. and even still, I wouldn't place Fedor's opponents above St. Pierre's although I have much respect for Fedor and think he is easily the best HW of all-time. St. Pierre not only beat the best and most dominant fighters in his division, but he dominated them, and not only did he dominate them, he dominated them at their own game. The guy dominated Hughes on the ground and submitted him. Hughes is/was considered to be one of the best ground fighters of all-time. Koscheck was considered to be the best wrestler in the welterweight division, st.pierre took him down and dominated him on the ground. Penn is a great ground and standup fighter, and GSP dominated him on the ground and standing up in their last fight.

GSP only has 2 losses, first to Hughes which is a fight he dominated until he got caught in a submission. and the second was Serra where he got caught by a lucky punch. GSP came back to beat both those guys in dominating fashion which proved that both those losses were just luck.

I don't see how an unbiased mind can look at GSP's resume and not think it's the best resume in MMA history. Have to give credit where credit is due.

I'd definitely say Pierre is the most complete fighter. Penn close, but second. Silva is just phenomenal at controlling the fight, but his ground game isn't nothing to brag about.

I believe St Pierre is the best in MMA right now. Fedor is in another world by himself.

first off, the thread is about "UFC" p4p not MMA p4p. and even still, I wouldn't place Fedor's opponents above St. Pierre's although I have much respect for Fedor and think he is easily the best HW of all-time. St. Pierre not only beat the best and most dominant fighters in his division, but he dominated them, and not only did he dominate them, he dominated them at their own game. The guy dominated Hughes on the ground and submitted him. Hughes is/was considered to be one of the best ground fighters of all-time. Koscheck was considered to be the best wrestler in the welterweight division, st.pierre took him down and dominated him on the ground. Penn is a great ground and standup fighter, and GSP dominated him on the ground and standing up in their last fight.

GSP only has 2 losses, first to Hughes which is a fight he dominated until he got caught in a submission. and the second was Serra where he got caught by a lucky punch. GSP came back to beat both those guys in dominating fashion which proved that both those losses were just luck.

I don't see how an unbiased mind can look at GSP's resume and not think it's the best resume in MMA history. Have to give credit where credit is due.

in history? koscheck isnt really that good bro im sorry he really isnt good he's a c+ at best..he beat hughes which was impressive..serra at 170 really isnt that good he was best at 155 and serra dominated the standup in the 1st fight..penn at 170 is b+at because he just comes in fat

you say he beat the most dominant fighters in that division? the only dominant fighter at 170 was hughes..so what do you mean by that?

alves isnt that good his strength is his standup but he uses it really dumb

fedor has an unreal resume

fedor:arona,big nog2x,herring,coleman randleman,cro cop,arlovski,hunt

gsp:hughes, trigg, karo,penn,koscheck,sherk,fitch,alves,

penn,sherk,serra-out of there natural weightclass


no way does gsp have the best resume in mma

he doesnt even have the best resume in ufc

he doesnt even have the best resume in ww division

i dont see how an unbiased mind cant say that fedor is best p4p

in ufc it has to be silva or bj penn

in history? koscheck isnt really that good bro im sorry he really isnt good he's a c+ at best..he beat hughes which was impressive..serra at 170 really isnt that good he was best at 155 and serra dominated the standup in the 1st fight..penn at 170 is b+at because he just comes in fat

you say he beat the most dominant fighters in that division? the only dominant fighter at 170 was hughes..so what do you mean by that?

alves isnt that good his strength is his standup but he uses it really dumb

fedor has an unreal resume

fedor:arona,big nog2x,herring,coleman randleman,cro cop,arlovski,hunt

gsp:hughes, trigg, karo,penn,koscheck,sherk,fitch,alves,

penn,sherk,serra-out of there natural weightclass


no way does gsp have the best resume in mma

he doesnt even have the best resume in ufc

he doesnt even have the best resume in ww division

i dont see how an unbiased mind cant say that fedor is best p4p

No offense man, but the only impressive fighters in Fedor's resume are, Nog, Mirko and Herring (considering at the time hes was the no#2 best heavyweight) but since then the quality has gone WAAAAYYY down. (Though Arlovski was a little better but still)

Coleman was old, Randleman good wrestling but god awful cardio, Hunt good chin, other than that nothing.

The problem IMO in considering Fedor the best p4p is consistency in class opposition or the best in the division, since 2006 he hasn't fought no one in the top 5 in heavyweights.


Either Penn, GSP or Silva would fit the P4P crown at the moment.

Stalaggh Shhh The Fedor Is God Fans will Crucify you for pointing out Fedors lack of good competition :lol1:

in the UFC

1) Silva
2) St. Pierre
3) Penn


In MMA

1) Silva
2) GSP
3) Fedor

in history? koscheck isnt really that good bro im sorry he really isnt good he's a c+ at best..he beat hughes which was impressive..serra at 170 really isnt that good he was best at 155 and serra dominated the standup in the 1st fight..penn at 170 is b+at because he just comes in fat

you say he beat the most dominant fighters in that division? the only dominant fighter at 170 was hughes..so what do you mean by that?

alves isnt that good his strength is his standup but he uses it really dumb

fedor has an unreal resume

fedor:arona,big nog2x,herring,coleman randleman,cro cop,arlovski,hunt

gsp:hughes, trigg, karo,penn,koscheck,sherk,fitch,alves,

penn,sherk,serra-out of there natural weightclass


no way does gsp have the best resume in mma

he doesnt even have the best resume in ufc

he doesnt even have the best resume in ww division

i dont see how an unbiased mind cant say that fedor is best p4p

Here we go again.

GSP's Resume > Fedor, Penn, Silva

If you are still convinced this I invite you to share your opinion at fightlockdown.com or any reasonable MMA forum where I'm sure you will be laughed at for your delusion.


To say GSP doesn't have the best resume in Mixed Martial Arts right now is simply asinine.

Nobody beat more top fighters and does it with more consistency that GSP.

Who exactly has a better resume at WW? I'll await your response.

If Koscheck, Alves, Fitch, Hughes are ****ty fighters, that what does that make...

Pulver, Stevenson, Sanchez ?

or Lindland, Rogers, Hong Man Choi?

or Leites, Lutter, Cote?

Seriously. It's a no-contest and this isn't even fanboyism. This is common knowledge.

I'm inclined to think that the beating your boy suffered at the hands of GSP clouds your ability to look at things objectively and do it without hating.

in history? koscheck isnt really that good bro im sorry he really isnt good he's a c+ at best..he beat hughes which was impressive..serra at 170 really isnt that good he was best at 155 and serra dominated the standup in the 1st fight..penn at 170 is b+at because he just comes in fat

you say he beat the most dominant fighters in that division? the only dominant fighter at 170 was hughes..so what do you mean by that?

alves isnt that good his strength is his standup but he uses it really dumb

fedor has an unreal resume

fedor:arona,big nog2x,herring,coleman randleman,cro cop,arlovski,hunt

gsp:hughes, trigg, karo,penn,koscheck,sherk,fitch,alves,

penn,sherk,serra-out of there natural weightclass


no way does gsp have the best resume in mma

he doesnt even have the best resume in ufc

he doesnt even have the best resume in ww division

i dont see how an unbiased mind cant say that fedor is best p4p

this post makes it seem like you have something personal against GSP. saying koscheck isn't that good and that serra dominated GSP in the standup is a joke. and penn once came into a fight at 191 pounds so to say he is too small for 170 is also a joke and a really bad excuse.

GSP has the best resume in MMA PERIOD

In the UFC it has to be Anderson Silva, he's the only guy who moves weight classes and dominates everywhere. I say GSP and Penn are both P4P greats, I'll put GSP over penn because of the brutal ass whoopin he handed down to him but Neither can be concidered best p4p until they win in other weight classes IMO.

Fedor is the P4P fighter in MMA hands down....

i think all three of them are joint pound for pound kings in UFC - BJ penn, GSP, Anderson Silva - so far ahead of anyone else in their respective divisions at the moment.

muay thai is great but fight with forrest was fixed

What makes you say that?

LW Penn (WW Penn is made of fat), A. Silva, GSP. I see nothing wrong in picking any of those. Honestly, I think LW Penn beats WW Penn.

No offense man, but the only impressive fighters in Fedor's resume are, Nog, Mirko and Herring (considering at the time hes was the no#2 best heavyweight) but since then the quality has gone WAAAAYYY down. (Though Arlovski was a little better but still)

Coleman was old, Randleman good wrestling but god awful cardio, Hunt good chin, other than that nothing.

The problem IMO in considering Fedor the best p4p is consistency in class opposition or the best in the division, since 2006 he hasn't fought no one in the top 5 in heavyweights.


Either Penn, GSP or Silva would fit the P4P crown at the moment.

coleman,cro cop and randleman were abusing steroids at the time and were at thier best...but i guess your right...the quality has gone down but its not entirely his fault...outside of ufc there isnt much out there...even in the ufc there isnt huge depth

brock nog again mir dos santos...unless im forgetting some one thats the only elite hw's in ufc

i guess those others can finish off the top 5

but florian sanchez,alves,franklin,marquardt are hardly world beaters

this post makes it seem like you have something personal against GSP. saying koscheck isn't that good and that serra dominated GSP in the standup is a joke. and penn once came into a fight at 191 pounds so to say he is too small for 170 is also a joke and a really bad excuse.

GSP has the best resume in MMA PERIOD

yea he did dominate the standup in that fight....and bj came in at 187 looking like fernando vargas' fatass

i do have something against gsp im not going to lie but i dont discredit him he beat the best ww in the ufc but their just not at the level people say they are

saying that he weighed in at 191 means nothing...i weigh 170 does that make me a natural ww? i wieghed 130 when i trained and im 5'5 so that argument of him weighing that much is irrelevant

Here we go again.

GSP's Resume > Fedor, Penn, Silva

If you are still convinced this I invite you to share your opinion at fightlockdown.com or any reasonable MMA forum where I'm sure you will be laughed at for your delusion.


To say GSP doesn't have the best resume in Mixed Martial Arts right now is simply asinine.

Nobody beat more top fighters and does it with more consistency that GSP.

Who exactly has a better resume at WW? I'll await your response.

If Koscheck, Alves, Fitch, Hughes are ****ty fighters, that what does that make...

Pulver, Stevenson, Sanchez ?

or Lindland, Rogers, Hong Man Choi?

or Leites, Lutter, Cote?

Seriously. It's a no-contest and this isn't even fanboyism. This is common knowledge.

I'm inclined to think that the beating your boy suffered at the hands of GSP clouds your ability to look at things objectively and do it without hating.

hughes resume at ww is better than gsp's

i never said their ****ty fighters i said that alves koscheck are not elite ww and hughes is no longer elite...fitch win was very impressive fitch is fantastic

lindland is a fantastic wrestler thats about it...stevenson isnt championship level...sanchez same...pulver i never thought was that good..rogers and choi suck leites is ok...lutter is decent but neither are championship material same with cote

he whooped bjs ass that didnt really make me like him any less...i was a fan of his but theres something about him that just rubs me the wrong way...plus i think he greases but lets not even get into that

i stand behind everthing i say i will go to your website and say the same ****

What makes you say that?

just the way that forrest was being super telegraphed and seemed to not throw anything with bad intentions.....anderson looked like roy jones in their but his hands and head movement are so amateur that i dont understand why it would look so flawless...besides ufc fighters are way underpaid so i wouldnt put it passes any of them to take a bonus to throw a fight

yea he did dominate the standup in that fight....and bj came in at 187 looking like fernando vargas' fatass

i do have something against gsp im not going to lie but i dont discredit him he beat the best ww in the ufc but their just not at the level people say they are

saying that he weighed in at 191 means nothing...i weigh 170 does that make me a natural ww? i wieghed 130 when i trained and im 5'5 so that argument of him weighing that much is irrelevant

BJ weighed 191 against Machida. and who's to say that Penn isn't better at 170 than 155? Him winning all his fights at 155 is due to the skill level of his opponents not because those fighters are smaller. Hughes and St.Pierre beat Penn because of skill not just because of their physical abilities. He was able to handle Sanchez and Florian who have both fought at WW but when he fights at WW all of a sudden he isn't as good just because he has losses to Hughes and GSP?

Its all a matter of perception. There is no real proof that Penn is actually better at LW other than his losses to the top 2 fighters at WW unless you think that he beat LW fighters that are more skilled than GSP and Hughes.

BJ weighed 191 against Machida. and who's to say that Penn isn't better at 170 than 155? Him winning all his fights at 155 is due to the skill level of his opponents not because those fighters are smaller. Hughes and St.Pierre beat Penn because of skill not just because of their physical abilities. He was able to handle Sanchez and Florian who have both fought at WW but when he fights at WW all of a sudden he isn't as good just because he has losses to Hughes and GSP?

Its all a matter of perception. There is no real proof that Penn is actually better at LW other than his losses to the top 2 fighters at WW unless you think that he beat LW fighters that are more skilled than GSP and Hughes.

there is proof because at lw he comes in shape and at ww he gasses after 2 minutes...he was dominant in both fights with hughes but gassed and lost the second one...he was dominant in the 1st gsp fight but gassed and lost...just like hughes wouldnt be as good at 185 because its not his natural weightclass...theres alot of proof look at florian he was crappy at 170 now hes way sharper quicker adn better at 155...if what you are saying were true then there would be no use for weight classes because as long as you weigh the same its even, no matter the size...bj is quicker sharper and fights guys his size at 155 im sure he can even make 145 if he really wanted to

nobody is as good in higher weights than in there natural weighclass....more examples felix trinidad...oscar de la hoya...ricky hatton...matt serra...sean sherk...urijah faber...joe stevenson...randy couture...cro cop...hendo...akihiro gouno

there is proof because at lw he comes in shape and at ww he gasses after 2 minutes...he was dominant in both fights with hughes but gassed and lost the second one...he was dominant in the 1st gsp fight but gassed and lost...just like hughes wouldnt be as good at 185 because its not his natural weightclass...theres alot of proof look at florian he was crappy at 170 now hes way sharper quicker adn better at 155...if what you are saying were true then there would be no use for weight classes because as long as you weigh the same its even, no matter the size...bj is quicker sharper and fights guys his size at 155 im sure he can even make 145 if he really wanted to

nobody is as good in higher weights than in there natural weighclass....more examples felix trinidad...oscar de la hoya...ricky hatton...matt serra...sean sherk...urijah faber...joe stevenson...randy couture...cro cop...hendo...akihiro gouno

don't you think its quite coincidental that in all his fights at 170 and above, he only seemed to gas out in the fights he lost?

the thing about GSP and Hughes is that they put on constant pressure especially on the ground. ground fighting drains energy more than anything else. nobody at 155 has the ground skills of a GSP or Hughes. If Penn was put under the same amount of ground and pound pressure at 155 he would be just as worn out.

Penn is known for making excuses, and gassing out due to lack of conditioning is his favorite excuse. Even when he boasts about his incredible conditioning before a fight, he still uses that excuse after the fight.

don't you think its quite coincidental that in all his fights at 170 and above, he only seemed to gas out in the fights he lost?

the thing about GSP and Hughes is that they put on constant pressure especially on the ground. ground fighting drains energy more than anything else. nobody at 155 has the ground skills of a GSP or Hughes. If Penn was put under the same amount of ground and pound pressure at 155 he would be just as worn out.

Penn is known for making excuses, and gassing out due to lack of conditioning is his favorite excuse. Even when he boasts about his incredible conditioning before a fight, he still uses that excuse after the fight.


Did you see Penn Hughes 2? Hughes was even the one saying that bj gassed...when he was just standing there flailing his hands looking like kieth jardine...idk you seem to have something against bj Penn

Did you see Penn Hughes 2? Hughes was even the one saying that bj gassed...when he was just standing there flailing his hands looking like kieth jardine...idk you seem to have something against bj Penn

I don't have anything against Penn. I just don't like the fact that GSP's accomplishments are being minimized the way they are. It seems to be pretty clear to me that GSP has accomplished more than Penn, and every great win GSP has had is being made out to be a farce by you. Who has Penn beaten thats better than Kos, Fitch, Karo, Hughes x2(the version that beat Penn)?

and lets include the supposed "blown-up" penn that st.pierre beat twice. who has Penn beaten that is better than a blown-up version of himself?

St. Peezy owns 2 wins over Penn. Nuff said....

I'd definitely say Pierre is the most complete fighter. Penn close, but second. Silva is just phenomenal at controlling the fight, but his ground game isn't nothing to brag about.

andersons ground game isn't nothing to brag about? wtf?? The man is a BJJ black belt

just because you rarely see it doesn't mean it isn't good

Anderson Silva. Easily.

He tapped lutter who is a bjj specialist, KO's a guy who probably wont ever be KO'd again, owns everyone standing, got sat on by Hendo for 3 rounds and still beat him. Goes to LHW, owns Irvin in one punch, and owns a former LHW champion with a JAB!

Like I said... Easily.

BJ Penn.

Controversial choice, but I'm willing to justify it.

*Best BJJ in his division / 5 in all mma
*Best boxing in mma according to Freddy Roach
*Unbelievable chin and doesn't cut (once in career?)
*Unbelievable takedown defence
*and now.. he has a great gas tank

Bascially you can't submit him, you can't knock him out. The ONLY way to beat Penn is with superior strength and size and when you're talking about p4p, that just doesn't come into the equation.

GSP is equally dominant in his weight division, but I think p4p BJ is better in every category except wrestling.

BJ Penn.

Controversial choice, but I'm willing to justify it.

*Best BJJ in his division / 5 in all mma
*Best boxing in mma according to Freddy Roach
*Unbelievable chin and doesn't cut (once in career?)
*Unbelievable takedown defence
*and now.. he has a great gas tank

Bascially you can't submit him, you can't knock him out. The ONLY way to beat Penn is with superior strength and size and when you're talking about p4p, that just doesn't come into the equation.

GSP is equally dominant in his weight division, but I think p4p BJ is better in every category except wrestling.

Only things faulty with your decision I see.

Shinya Aoki has the best bjj in the LW division. Dont tell me no, he just snapped WVR's lightweight champion's arm in half.

I wouldn't say he has a great gas tank yet. He hasn't been tested yet. When your dictating the fight, you dont wear out as easily. Since GSP no one has tested him. KenFlo *****ed out to the power. Sanchez was revealed for the talentless fool he is.

He has been stopped before. So it is possible to KO him. The quality of LW division in the UFC is just low compared to Penn, which is why no one can KO him. Put him against Guillard or Gomi and I guarantee he wont stand up and bang like he did with Sanchez and KenFlo. Guarantee it.

Besides that. I can see Penn being the top p4p. If you put his skill and ability in a WW body, I bet he beats GSP. Put his skill and ability in a MW body he probably gives Silva a real run for his money.

I'd suck BJ Penn's dick in a heartbeat.

Come on dude, make it less obvious that you all over bj's nuts.


Bj is one of the best fighter in the ufc, if not in the world. But St-Pierre's resume ****s all over his resume.

(GSP is equally dominant in his weight division, but I think p4p BJ is better in every category except wrestling.[/QUOTE])

I wouldn't neccesarily agree with that, i think BJ is one of the top three, if not number one, but i think GSP's stand up is better, with a wider range of kicks. There are alot more tools to worry about standing with george than i beleive there are with BJ. On the ground you can perhaps make that argument for BJ, but again, GSP is a blackbelt in BJJ and he has submitted Hughes, Brukmann, trigg as well as many others. His wrestlign is off the charts, so overall in fact im changing my mind here all the time. I also think GSP has a stronger mental attitude and a far superior physique and gas tank. Just my opinion but i think that.

1) GSP
2) Anderson Silva
3) BJ Penn

1) Anderson Silva
2) GSP
3) Bj.Penn

Come on dude, make it less obvious that you all over bj's nuts.


Bj is one of the best fighter in the ufc, if not in the world. But St-Pierre's resume ****s all over his resume.

lol funny I dont remember writing that...completlry true though...and your super cool for doing that...lol did you think that would bother me? Imean cmon now im the man...maybe the best that ever lived

and gsc's resume looks like kimbos compared to the 2nd greatest which is baby jay Penn...of course im number 1

gsp. then anderson. then bj

however. p4p i would say fedor!

i would say george st. pierre

The only reason why Anderson is higher than GSP is because he took on fighters from different divisions, which justifies the P4P term. Otherwise GSP fought better competition with Matt Hughes, BJ. Penn, Fitch, Trigg and Alves.

Anderson Silva

GSP

BJ penn

Frank Mir

Machida

top 5 right there....i know franks lost to brock but hes improved and i think he can take Brock out next fight....

The only reason why Anderson is higher than GSP is because he took on fighters from different divisions, which justifies the P4P term. Otherwise GSP fought better competition with Matt Hughes, BJ. Penn, Fitch, Trigg and Alves.

This........

ahhhh.. machida.

has to be a three way race between machida, silva and GSP. some of you may say rua won (i think so too) but a wins a win and same with the other silvas undefeated in mma and beat griffen.