there seems to be alot of threads hating on JUDAH

I'm not trying to hate on Zab, but I am very critical of him right now.

It seems like too many people have jumped on the Judah Bandwagon after the Spinks ko. Like all of a sudden people are ranking him in their Pound 4 Pound lists.

It doesn't take 1 fight to throw you in that elite list especially when you haven't really fought anyone in your last 4 fights. And worse than that, didn't even dominate. Except for the Martell fight which a bantamweight could have put up a decent exchange with him.

I am just not ready to hand over the keys to the throne to a fighter who can't handle the "real" elite group of fighters out there.

I respect him but I think he needs to fight some of the people already mentioned to gain respect with others

there should be a poll who is more ****y floyd or judah

ok I get what you are saying but spinks was p4p based on his performance vs mayorga...so judah beating spinks shuld at least have judah lookin into the list

I still think he's a punk after the Nady debacle, but his post-fight demeanor after gained him a little respect from me.

I dont hate or like Zab..but as a boxer he demands some respect..he is a very good fighter who has the potential to be great. He needs to be a little tighter with his defense that might be his biggest flaw..his chin is ok..the only time I really saw him rocked was againts Tszyu..but Tszyu's right hand is no joke.

where is mckay so he can put that he'll never respect judah on the poll

I already respect him, He is a great fighter, but in some fights he plays and goofs to much like the fight on the undercard of Tarver jones 2, He coulda KOed that guy but he was to bust goofing.I really didnt like him and I wanted Cory Spinks to win so bad but I seen what Zab can do when focused and he gained my respect that night.

i cant say i hated him but zabmoes big mouth and bling gangbang fubu attitude made him a target for ineptitude in my mind. but when he displayed focusnest in spinx II it changed it for me. this guy will/would give tszu,dlh,mosley problems.and he could get lucky. but he should go back down to 140 and shine. a corrales/judah at 140 would be an ass wrenching good fight.styles make good fights. and corrales/judah have completely different styles.tko corrales in later rounds. earlier if zab clowns around.( its getting late and i'm starting to phylosophise). but i believe what i says.

I respect him for recovering from one of the more embarassing moments in boxing (chicken dance anyone? :D) and going up a weight to get the title.

I think he needs some more top fights to prove himself a true champ, and to help us all forget the Nady incident. Win Lose or Draw thats no way to act.

ok I get what you are saying but spinks was p4p based on his performance vs mayorga...so judah beating spinks shuld at least have judah lookin into the list
Spinks shouldn't have even been on the p4p list, he was a temporary champion...Judah is going to have to beat another big name fighter before getting his respect I believe...Spinks beat mayorga, but who is mayorga really? He beat 6 heads and Forrest to get on the scene, but where are they at? I like zab, but I really think he will lose against de la hoya...

There's a world of difference between Floyd's behaviour and Zab's. I like Floyd as a fighter but he is an unabashed jerk outside of the ring. Zab his his faults but he's nowhere near as bad.

It's understandable that there's a backlash against those who jumped on the Judah bandwagon after Spinks 2. I think he would silence every critic if he beat Margarito.

I respect him already, I have always been a Z.Diddy fan from the time I got into boxing. Whats not to like? Great handspeed, footwork, power, agility and carisma. Super Judah: The King At 147...come one come all.

Well i hate him, i think he`s a terrible person. He does have skills in boxing but he is a coward who got found out against Tsyzu. He is a bad example for younger fans and i am counting the days untill someone kicks his ass again!

i respect him already... i don't like him though.

this guy can win bigtime and that accounts for my respect... but his arrogance is just very irritating

judah has the wierdest shaped head ive ever seen, he freaks me out with it. mike moorer has a odd shaped head as well o.0

judah has the wierdest shaped head ive ever seen, he freaks me out with it. mike moorer has a odd shaped head as well o.0
Its true, Judah is very very ugly and he looks like a creature from Allien when he is fighting, maybe its the demons that inhabit his soul coming out!

Well i hate him, i think he`s a terrible person. He does have skills in boxing but he is a coward who got found out against Tsyzu. He is a bad example for younger fans and i am counting the days untill someone kicks his ass again!

I just don't get it, why is he a coward? Why is he a bad example? Why is he a terrible person? :confused:

I just don't get it, why is he a coward? Why is he a bad example? Why is he a terrible person? :confused:

Q: Why is he a coward?

A: Because he can`t except losses. Tsyzu knocked him silly and instead of taking it like a man he threw a chair across the ring then assaulted the ref. Why couldn`t he show the same violence during the fight itself? Because he prefers to beat on refs, they are unlikely to KO him!

Q: Why is he a terrible person
A: Because as a world class boxer he is an example to younger fans and represents boxing. When he attacks officials and hurls chairs around it damages the image of boxing and is a bad example for the younger generation. He is foul mouthed, ****y and dis - respectful!

I hope this ends your confusion!

why would you hate zab?

Judah + 100LB = Toney :D

Q: Why is he a coward?

A: Because he can`t except losses. Tsyzu knocked him silly and instead of taking it like a man he threw a chair across the ring then assaulted the ref. Why couldn`t he show the same violence during the fight itself? Because he prefers to beat on refs, they are unlikely to KO him!

Q: Why is he a terrible person
A: Because as a world class boxer he is an example to younger fans and represents boxing. When he attacks officials and hurls chairs around it damages the image of boxing and is a bad example for the younger generation. He is foul mouthed, ****y and dis - respectful!

I hope this ends your confusion!

You get knocked out, lose a fight in an unexpected way and lose your world titles, and see how you react. I don't Zab's a saint but he was also pretty delirious at the end of that fight...I don't think you can judge a guy's behaviour based on how he acts after his brain's been jostled around.

You get knocked out, lose a fight in an unexpected way and lose your world titles, and see how you react. I don't Zab's a saint but he was also pretty delirious at the end of that fight...I don't think you can judge a guy's behaviour based on how he acts after his brain's been jostled around.

Not only that but nobody is perfect, he was young at the time and made a mistake. Zab gets a bad name off that mistake but I think he is a good person. He has grown up alot you saw that in his last fight, plus he is married and has children to support so I think he is all buisness now.

Not only that but nobody is perfect, he was young at the time and made a mistake. Zab gets a bad name off that mistake but I think he is a good person. He has grown up alot you saw that in his last fight, plus he is married and has children to support so I think he is all buisness now.
I`m all for people having second chances and all ( I think Tyson has blown all his though ) but Judah just strikes me as the type of guy who likes it when its going his way but as soon as the going gets tough he doesn`t do what Evander Holyfield or Arturo Gatti do and fight back, he gets crazy.
Yes, he was all smiles and kind words after he beat Cory Spinks but wouldn`t he be??
A classic on top fighter, a bully if you will. Same mould as Tyson. Tyson bites ears, Judah hurls stools and throatels refs.
Now, we could say he`s changed his ways and he`s settled down, i would like to think so but he`s still running off his mouth the same as he ever did. Apart from his new responsabilites there is nothing to show he is a changed man.

...I really used to dislike Judah, but not so much anymore. I do respect his skills and he seems to be genuinely contrite about his past issues. He stepped up in that second Spinks fight and I give him alot of credit for that. Hearing Jay Nady's take on the whole Zoo thing made me not look at it as harshly any longer.

I`m all for people having second chances and all ( I think Tyson has blown all his though ) but Judah just strikes me as the type of guy who likes it when its going his way but as soon as the going gets tough he doesn`t do what Evander Holyfield or Arturo Gatti do and fight back, he gets crazy.
Yes, he was all smiles and kind words after he beat Cory Spinks but wouldn`t he be??
A classic on top fighter, a bully if you will. Same mould as Tyson. Tyson bites ears, Judah hurls stools and throatels refs.
Now, we could say he`s changed his ways and he`s settled down, i would like to think so but he`s still running off his mouth the same as he ever did. Apart from his new responsabilites there is nothing to show he is a changed man.

You know whats cool about you? If you were an unreasonable poster there were so many times including this one you could have said irrational things about my opinion but you didn't. I respect the fact you say what you think in a civilized way even though I don't always agree with you.

i cant say i hated him but zabmoes big mouth and bling gangbang fubu attitude made him a target for ineptitude in my mind. but when he displayed focusnest in spinx II it changed it for me. this guy will/would give tszu,dlh,mosley problems.and he could get lucky. but he should go back down to 140 and shine. a corrales/judah at 140 would be an ass wrenching good fight.styles make good fights. and corrales/judah have completely different styles.tko corrales in later rounds. earlier if zab clowns around.( its getting late and i'm starting to phylosophise). but i believe what i says.


judah and corrales are totally different sizes but i guess it would be interesting

judah has the wierdest shaped head ive ever seen, he freaks me out with it. mike moorer has a odd shaped head as well o.0
looks like "alien"

Not only that but nobody is perfect, he was young at the time and made a mistake. Zab gets a bad name off that mistake but I think he is a good person. He has grown up alot you saw that in his last fight, plus he is married and has children to support so I think he is all buisness now.
Zab is ill, he has an awesome left, great footwork, & lightning speed....can't wait to see Zab-Oscar this September

There is no reason for me to hate on zab...
I don't really have great respect for him but no disrespect