Did Tszyu really defeat Judah or do you think the knockout was called too eairly? One thing that definatly cannot be argued is that Zab got his world rocked. However, I recall while watching the film that the commentaors said something about "if a fighter falls back down after standing up the ref stops the fight."

Is that a real rule or just something a ref normally does? I seem to remeber Berbeck getting up like 3x in the fight against Tyson and the ref counted him out. Anyway. Opinions anyone?

I think it had to do with Judah's mental state at the time. After doing the lambada all over the ring, he seriously didn't seem like he could successfully continue. Jay Nady was also probably like "WTF do I do?, This guy is all ****ed up!!"

Perfect stoppage by Jay Nady, Zab was out on his feet, if he let the fight go 20 seconds longer, Zab woulda ended up in a coma...

if you consider it a "quick stoppage" then I guess Trevor Berbick was good-2-go against Tyson after getting up and crashing twice more

good stopagge by the referee judah was in no condition to continue

tszyu was just too much for judah, and I think in a rematch it would be just the same

Yeah why did they never rematch? I thought maybe Judah would have wanted to settle the score. Maybe he just got scared.

Yeah why did they never rematch? I thought maybe Judah would have wanted to settle the score. Maybe he just got scared.

From what I heard, Judah said no rematch if he beats KT. After KT won and Judah wanted a rematch, KT basically spit in his face.

After a 2nd round KO, why grant a rematch? The only thing Tszyu could do to 1-up that performance would be a 1st round KO, which is unlikely vs. a a guy like Zab, so Kostya had zero incentive for a rematch

Yeah why did they never rematch? I thought maybe Judah would have wanted to settle the score. Maybe he just got scared.

Leading up to the fight most boxing experts thought that Judah would coast to a UD and Judah thought this fight was going to be far to easy. During the buildup there was talk of a rematch clause and it was Zab who said there would be no rematch..."winner take all" (was his exact quote)

After KT won he just echoed the words of Judah, winner take all.

I thought the stoppage was a bit premature, in a fight like that you give Judah an eight count before you make any kind of decision on weather a fighter can continue or not. Had Nady gave Zab an eight count Zab would have been ready too fight on.

Now, in retrospect if the fight would have continued Zab would have either lost a UD because he was running scared the rest of the fight or he would have been brutalized and embarrassed far worse than he already was, I tend to think the latter would have happened.

In a way the 2nd round controversey saved Zab from taking a far worse pounding.

Can anyone on this site imagine Zab Judah winning a give and take brawl/war??????

After a 2nd round KO, why grant a rematch? The only thing Tszyu could do to 1-up that performance would be a 1st round KO, which is unlikely vs. a a guy like Zab, so Kostya had zero incentive for a rematch

Yeah, KT made Zab look like a journeyman with that performance.

Leading up to the fight most boxing experts thought that Judah would coast to a UD and Judah thought this fight was going to be far to easy. During the buildup there was talk of a rematch clause and it was Zab who said there would be no rematch..."winner take all" (was his exact quote)

After KT won he just echoed the words of Judah, winner take all.

I thought the stoppage was a bit premature, in a fight like that you give Judah an eight count before you make any kind of decision on weather a fighter can continue or not. Had Nady gave Zab an eight count Zab would have been ready too fight on.

Now, in retrospect if the fight would have continued Zab would have either lost a UD because he was running scared the rest of the fight or he would have been brutalized and embarrassed far worse than he already was, I tend to think the latter would have happened.

In a way the 2nd round controversey saved Zab from taking a far worse pounding.

Can anyone on this site imagine Zab Judah winning a give and take brawl/war??????
great points, I think Zab would have never become undisputed welter champ if the fight with Tszyu had continued, because Tszyu woulda ruined Zab 4 life

Zab had too much quickness to be ruined by Tszyu in that fight. He really hurt Tszyu in the first round and could have won the fight. Nady should have given an 8 count. Judah tried to get up too quickly but he should still have been given an 8 count. Tszyu's win is legit but not without controversy. There was no evidence based on one punch that Tszyu would have brutalized Judah for the remainder of the fight.

In a rematch I favor Tszyu, for the record. Judah has lost focus in his career.

Yeah, KT made Zab look like a journeyman with that performance.
Actually he just showed teh world what happens when you don't guard your grill properly in boxing...There wasn't anyway zab was going to win that fight with tszyu or any other fight with tszyu...

[QUOTE=Super_Lightweight]Tszyu's win is legit but not without controversy. There was no evidence based on one punch that Tszyu would have brutalized Judah for the remainder of the fight.
QUOTE=Super_Lightweight]

So Judah doing his best impersonation of Afrikka Bambatta's back-up dancers wasn't enough evidence for you?


Rock...Rock...Planet Rock...Don't Stop

Zab had too much quickness to be ruined by Tszyu in that fight. He really hurt Tszyu in the first round and could have won the fight. Nady should have given an 8 count. Judah tried to get up too quickly but he should still have been given an 8 count. Tszyu's win is legit but not without controversy. There was no evidence based on one punch that Tszyu would have brutalized Judah for the remainder of the fight.

In a rematch I favor Tszyu, for the record. Judah has lost focus in his career.

When I wateched the fight the very first time I too thought Zab had hurt Zoo in the first round but watching that fight many times over the years it is plainly obvious that Zoo was never really hurt by Zab in the first.

Zab had a great round for sure but he was not even close to cracking the KT armor.

If KT was landing pinpoint right hands in the second round (by the way it wasn't just one right hand, watch the fight again) he was going to be landing them as long as the fight lasted. If that fight would have continued and Zab had any hopes of winning he would have had to take a hell of a beating to pull it off, just like Vince Phillips did.

the question remains can anyone see Zab Judah winning a give and take brawl/war? If you can't like me then there is no way that Zab would/could beat a guy like KT.

Great points, Zab is not a give-and-take fighter. Especially with someone like Kosta giving out.

Zab would have been seriously hurt had that fight gone on past the 2nd. There is no question about taht.

Judah won the first round against Zoo, he just got caught with a big right hand at the 2nd round that knocked his ass out, followed by a chicken dance. I would really like to see what happens if they ever have a rematch.

Judah won the first round against Zoo, he just got caught with a big right hand at the 2nd round that knocked his ass out, followed by a chicken dance. I would really like to see what happens if they ever have a rematch.


Watch the fight over very closely, in particular the first round...Judah comes out like a houseafire and then something happens....

Kt hits Zab with a couple of big right hands that don't land very cleanly but they are thrown at very close range just before the two men are to hold each other(you must watch this part over a few times).

After this point Zab basically never throws a meaningful punch the rest of the fight. He took the last minute of the round off(and I mean he didn't even throw a ****ing punch) and then did absolutely nothing in the second round.

All of this inactivity from a guy who was smoking KT for the first minute and a half of the fight...what happened?

He tasted Zoo and got the **** out of there, thats what happened...we have all been there before, maybe not in the ring rather with a chick you are going down on and when you finally reached the promised land you realize it smells like your arm pits....you don't stick around you get the **** out of there....this is exactly what Super did!

Watch the fight over very closely, in particular the first round...Judah comes out like a houseafire and then something happens....

Kt hits Zab with a couple of big right hands that don't land very cleanly but they are thrown at very close range just before the two men are to hold each other(you must watch this part over a few times).

After this point Zab basically never throws a meaningful punch the rest of the fight. He took the last minute of the round off(and I mean he didn't even throw a ****ing punch) and then did absolutely nothing in the second round.

All of this inactivity from a guy who was smoking KT for the first minute and a half of the fight...what happened?

He tasted Zoo and got the **** out of there, thats what happened...we have all been there before, maybe not in the ring rather with a chick you are going down on and when you finally reached the promised land you realize it smells like your arm pits....you don't stick around you get the **** out of there....this is exactly what Super did!
that might have been the most disturbing, yet effective, analogy i've ever seen on this site, great job my friend...

you make an awesome point, Zab just stopped fighting and Kostya never lost focus

Judah won the first round against Zoo, he just got caught with a big right hand at the 2nd round that knocked his ass out, followed by a chicken dance. I would really like to see what happens if they ever have a rematch.
Judah goes down by 5th round

Watch the fight over very closely, in particular the first round...Judah comes out like a houseafire and then something happens....

Kt hits Zab with a couple of big right hands that don't land very cleanly but they are thrown at very close range just before the two men are to hold each other(you must watch this part over a few times).

After this point Zab basically never throws a meaningful punch the rest of the fight. He took the last minute of the round off(and I mean he didn't even throw a ****ing punch) and then did absolutely nothing in the second round.

All of this inactivity from a guy who was smoking KT for the first minute and a half of the fight...what happened?

He tasted Zoo and got the **** out of there, thats what happened...we have all been there before, maybe not in the ring rather with a chick you are going down on and when you finally reached the promised land you realize it smells like your arm pits....you don't stick around you get the **** out of there....this is exactly what Super did!

LMAO. Great comparison dude.

Judah won the first round against Zoo, he just got caught with a big right hand at the 2nd round that knocked his ass out, followed by a chicken dance. I would really like to see what happens if they ever have a rematch.

Yeah Judah caught Kostya good in the first round with an uppercut but it did not do too much damage. Judah's chin and punching power, as well as his speed do not in any way match up with Kostanntine's, Judah was outclassed, plain and simple. It was a show of low class by Judah to take his frustrations out on Nady, rather than just accepting the better fighter won.

For a rematch to happen, Judah would have to go back down to Lt Welterweight and fight Tzyu at that weight, I dont see any reason Why Tzyu would come up to welterweight and fight Judah as the challenger. The only way I see Tzyu getting drawn out of the Lt Welterweight divsion (which he has fought in his entire career) is if De La Hoya offers him a fight at welterweight. De La Hoya vs Konstatine though would be a major mismatch in terms of a size disadvantage for Tzyu. Da La Hoya has huge legs and shoulers for welterweight, he is going to have to work his ass off to maintain the weight of 147. Tzyu on the other hand would be quite small as a welterweight.

Tsyzu has already stated that he'd like to come up in weight. I agree, I think De La Hoya would be able to tko him because of DLH's obvious advantages. But I don't see Judah taking a rematch anyway.

De La Hoya beats Judah by UD (because Zab never engages in fight)
then De La Hoya tko's Tsyzu in amazing performance.

Then probably retires.

Just for the record (I saw a couple varitations of his name)
<-- This is how its spelt

Tsyzu has already stated that he'd like to come up in weight. I agree, I think De La Hoya would be able to tko him because of DLH's obvious advantages. But I don't see Judah taking a rematch anyway.

De La Hoya beats Judah by UD (because Zab never engages in fight)
then De La Hoya tko's Tsyzu in amazing performance.

Then probably retires.

That'd be tight as hell if KT and DLH fought. I honestly don't know wtf would happen in that fight. My instinct tells me KT would win, but DLH is a damn scrapper in the ring. He's a fairy out of it.

haha I can't help laughing at waht his uncle said to him when he was acting up protesting the decision, "Man, I told you to watchout for his right hand!"

That'd be tight as hell if KT and DLH fought. I honestly don't know wtf would happen in that fight. My instinct tells me KT would win, but DLH is a damn scrapper in the ring. He's a fairy out of it.
Tszyu has trouble with boxers like de la hoya... I think de la hoya would easily out box tszyu for 12 rounds...

Good call, BUT, I think De La Hoya would try and repeat his Tito plan with him actually ko'ing Kosta in the end. (as was planned with Tito)

1-KT has a great chance of ko'ing DLH...i think it would be a good fight but dlh would get caught in the end,Kt would study him completely and finish him.
2-Its zab own fault...should have gone to a knee....but i still think he would have been f-ed up has anyone gone to the gallery section..i mean really check him out after he gets up,he's all f-ed up.
3-in the gallery (video) section there is another video of Judah getting KD and if you look at his feet when he gets up he's kinda messed up also..i dont think judah has ever/will ever have a strong chin..i mena didnt Cory drop him hahaha.

1-KT has a great chance of ko'ing DLH...i think it would be a good fight but dlh would get caught in the end,Kt would study him completely and finish him.
2-Its zab own fault...should have gone to a knee....but i still think he would have been f-ed up has anyone gone to the gallery section..i mean really check him out after he gets up,he's all f-ed up.
3-in the gallery (video) section there is another video of Judah getting KD and if you look at his feet when he gets up he's kinda messed up also..i dont think judah has ever/will ever have a strong chin..i mena didnt Cory drop him hahaha.
So are you going to say that tszyu hits harder than trinidad, vargas and hopkins, Tszyu is the man, but he will get beat soundly by de la hoya

Tszyu has trouble with boxers like de la hoya... I think de la hoya would easily out box tszyu for 12 rounds...

Which ones has he had trouble with?

I think Judah Was kicking z00 until he got caught.

So are you going to say that tszyu hits harder than trinidad, vargas and hopkins, Tszyu is the man, but he will get beat soundly by de la hoya
A prime Oscar would beat Tszyu like he did Gatti, now he can get a UD, if he still gots it, maybe today he can beat him like Gatti too.

judah was definitely not ready. shaky legs means his body won't be able to run away or fight back efffectively. your punches wont be hard if you dont have your legs solidly planted behind them. judah didn't feel hurt because he had his adrenaline still running from when he nailed tszyu really well in the first round. i think in the 2nd round both were looking to establish respect, with tszyu trying to get judah back, and judah was pumped up looking for an early knockout and that made him more stiff and took the punch harder.

i dont think judah was winning at the time. if you look at the whole fight, tszyu was VERY cautious, he did nothing but paw his left hand in the air while waiting for a good chance to throw the right. if you notice, he throws his right hand maybe a total of 6-7 times and when he does, he commits to it and really tries to connect as opposed to just letting pass by and letting it be a wasted shot.

Nady had to stop the fight after Judah bounced up and then hit the deck again, those are the rules, so I am cool with the outcome. I think Zab won the first round, and after a decent start to the second Tzsyu finished strong and took it. As for what any of this means? Nothing. Here is all we know based on that first fight- Kostya has the power to drop Judah, Judah can outbox him at least in spots, Nady is a douche bag- he was correct, but a douche bag none the less. I don't really view the first fight as having too much in the way of implications as far as a second fight is concerned. I am guessing if they fought again, the odds going into fight night would be pretty close to even. If the fight was happening at 147 I would take Zab hands down, if it was happening at 140 it would be a much tougher decision for me. So there you go, my take on Super and Kostya.

A rematch would be interesting at 147.......However, the outcome would be either a late stoppage or UD for Tszyu.

As short as the first fight was, it was enough to see how flashy Judah is/was UNTIL he tasted some of KT's steel.......this was decisive and Judah's lightning fast start came to a sudden abrupt end.

Credit to Judah for getting his career back on tracks, but, I can't see him rematching Tszyu.

Did Tszyu really defeat Judah or do you think the knockout was called too eairly? One thing that definatly cannot be argued is that Zab got his world rocked. However, I recall while watching the film that the commentaors said something about "if a fighter falls back down after standing up the ref stops the fight."

Is that a real rule or just something a ref normally does? I seem to remeber Berbeck getting up like 3x in the fight against Tyson and the ref counted him out. Anyway. Opinions anyone?

He was knocked out. He didn't even realize all the **** he did to Jay Nady til later. Just think if they'd allowed Tszyu at him immedidately after the knockdown instead of watching him breakdance across the ring then waving it off.

LOL, that **** was funny as hell!

A lot of people have made some good points, but I'm just wondering how many of you that say Tszyu was too powerful for Zab are also saying that Tarver hit RJJ with a "lucky" punch. I know that this one wasn't exactly a one-punch knockout but it was pretty damn close. People say Tarver got lucky but Tsyzu's knockdown was pure skill. I'm not disputing Tszyu's abilities but I'm just calling out the hypocrites.

A lot of people have made some good points, but I'm just wondering how many of you that say Tszyu was too powerful for Zab are also saying that Tarver hit RJJ with a "lucky" punch. I know that this one wasn't exactly a one-punch knockout but it was pretty damn close. People say Tarver got lucky but Tsyzu's knockdown was pure skill. I'm not disputing Tszyu's abilities but I'm just calling out the hypocrites.*ahem* I've been in therapy and ... THIS IS HARD, MAN!

*chokes back sob* I ADMIT THAT ROY WAS KTFO BY TARVER!

*breaks the **** down*

i have no problem with the stopage nady did the right thing it was obvious judah was not there he got up and fell backdown from one punch he was out on his feet . alot of people that defend judah base it on the fact that after the fight was stoped judah seemed to be ok , so the fight was stoped to early . but the referee has a split second to make his decison . in the end judah should of took an 8 count then got up so its really his own fault . as far as if there was a re-match i pick tzyu by k.o just because judah is coky as hell and he would try to prove something by going for a k.o tzyu has to much power and judah does the chicken dance again

Zab did great in the first round. But left himself open and we all know what happened then. But the stoppage was on point

If you watch again, you will see that Nady had to grab him to keep him from going down a third time of the punch. No way was this even close to being an early stoppage.

This fight is the reason I can't stand Judah. He got caught real good, obviously. But in the post interviews he keeps saying how the ref never gave him a count, when you watch the replay you can see Nady's hand switching digits...4....5.... then when he turned around Zab was doing the duck walk, so he waved it off.

Even before the second Spinks fight, Zab said in the pre fight interview: "well, both of my losses were controversial, so i look at myself as undefeated" You're not undefeated, and honestly I wouldnt even call the zoo fight controversial...just admit defeat, and move on.

I think that that Juda should have taken an eight count after getting knocked down by Tszyu instead of trying to get up quick so the people could think that he was not hurt.I also heard the anouncer say that if a boxer is knocked down then gets back up and falls back down the ref must stop the fight.I think that there will be a remach in the future and im sure that Zab will be talking alot of smack, but thats a good thing because it helps sell tickets.

Dude got up so quick because he didn't know what he was doing.

In the interviews after the fight Nady said that he didn't have to stop the fight because of the second time Judah dropped, but he did anyway because "I feared for the long term effects of the second concussion" ( or something very similar to that.

Yeah man, they agreed that "winner takes all"

yeah zab should really have thought that out when he saw kostyas thunder fist shooting towards his head... That right was a fatality, animality, babyality. it was unstoppable