Think about it... look at the records and the behind the scenes wrangles...


Tyson has a legitimate loss and a DQ to Evander Holyfield.

Ruiz is 1-1-1 with Holyfield, and many think he won two.


Tyson paid Lewis $4 million dollars not to fight him.

Lewis ducked Ruiz.


It took Lewis two attempts to beat Rahman - Ruiz did it in the first attempt.

Lewis and Tyson fought a Golota drugged up and injured... Ruiz fought him on form.

Since Ruiz was established, his only losses were when he was distracted by a divorce and a lucky punch.


All the other belt holders are avoiding him.



So should Ruiz go down in the Hall of Fame as the best heavyweight of the last two decades? Surely his record speaks for itself?

What do others think?

i think you've been drinking AND smoking anorak you crazy mofo, ruiz and hall of fame, thats like saying ruiz and great together, it just doesn't mix :D

i think he should go down in the hall of fame for the simple fact that he has developed a way of winning fights a guy with his ability should have no chance of winning. i think ruiz is an inspiration to those of us who are not gifted in life but work hard and make the most of what we've got. so for that reason he deserves a place

omg.......are you joking?

no he shouldnt, because he havent win over any "big" fighter atleast not in they prime. lewis ducked him for another reason than those we think. tyson,holyfield and lewis prime those three could beat eachother and any fighter of all time, ruiz cannot do that, he wouldnt had a chance against any top10 of all time.

Actually, Ruiz is allready a legend (supposely), scroll down :D
http://www.latinosportslegends.com/archives.htm

Ruiz should be possessed in the gay bar instead of Hall of Fame. If Ruiz will be in Hall of Fame I will break the Hall down immediately.

youre ****ting me right

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Although Ruiz has some impressive wins on paper,(Golota,Holyfield,Rahman) was he a popular fighter with the people? Granted he was the first Latin-American heavyweight champion, but was he popular with boxing fans and sports fans in general? If you walked down the street and asked regular people to name some heavyweight champs of the last decade or two, you would probaly hear the names of Tyson,Lewis,Holyfield,Foreman but not John Ruiz. The reason behind this is his lack of charisma and his boring 'clinch and fight' fighting style.

IMO he will be inducted to the boxer's hall of fame for being the first Latin Heavyweight champion and not anything else. Holyfield,Lewis, and Tyson were all charismatic(ok maybe not Lennox)and gave us boxing fans some of the most memorable fights of the 80s,90s, and the present.

Ruiz wins but only on account of villainy. You don't get to the hall of fame by hugging your way to every notable victory in your career. Ruiz deserves some respect for winning, but does not even come close to deserving HOF status. We would need to beat Vitali and successfully defend the title for a few years.

Although Ruiz has some impressive wins on paper,(Golota,Holyfield,Rahman) was he a popular fighter with the people? Granted he was the first Latin-American heavyweight champion, but was he popular with boxing fans and sports fans in general? If you walked down the street and asked regular people to name some heavyweight champs of the last decade or two, you would probaly hear the names of Tyson,Lewis,Holyfield,Foreman but not John Ruiz. The reason behind this is his lack of charisma and his boring 'clinch and fight' fighting style.

IMO he will be inducted to the boxer's hall of fame for being the first Latin Heavyweight champion and not anything else. Holyfield,Lewis, and Tyson were all charismatic(ok maybe not Lennox)and gave us boxing fans some of the most memorable fights of the 80s,90s, and the present.
Yeah what an impressive win over Golota, I loved how he should've lost, but then DK fixed it so he ended up not losing his belt. That IS impressive, he won the fight without even actually winning in the ring, brilliant. I think Ruiz should be in the Hall of Fame, and there should be a video screen right next to his picture, showing the 19 second KO he recieved against Tua.

Yeah what an impressive win over Golota, I loved how he should've lost, but then DK fixed it so he ended up not losing his belt. That IS impressive, he won the fight without even actually winning in the ring, brilliant. I think Ruiz should be in the Hall of Fame, and there should be a video screen right next to his picture, showing the 19 second KO he recieved against Tua.
Yeah, great call on the video replay, they should also mix-in some of those classic highlights of Johnny groping Evander, hugging Rahman, and making love to Norman Stone, wow what a highlight reel it would be! What the heck show some clips of Superman Jones kicking has a$$ also

LOL, Ruiz might end up in the hall of fame, but not as having more credibility than the guys you named. Tyson? Lewis? Holyfield? WTF?!!

Don't forget when he went over from a legit bodyshot from holy then minced around on the canvas acting like a right moaning ****a - COME ON JAMES PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE BEAT RUIZ

Don't forget when he went over from a legit bodyshot from holy then minced around on the canvas acting like a right moaning ****a - COME ON JAMES PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE BEAT RUIZ

Yeah, Ruiz seriously needs to lose his title. The funny thing is that it seems like Don King is protecting Ruiz because he makes King money. Doesn't he realize how much more money he could make if somebody more exciting and charismatic held the title. I don't understand Don King sometimes..actually all the time.

Yeah, Ruiz seriously needs to lose his title. The funny thing is that it seems like Don King is protecting Ruiz because he makes King money. Doesn't he realize how much more money he could make if somebody more exciting and charismatic held the title. I don't understand Don King sometimes..actually all the time.
I see your point, but remember that Ruiz and Croney Stone rarely ever argue with King about purses, venues, dates, opponents, etc. Ruiz fights wherever and whenever King tells him to, at whatever price Don offers, Ruiz is Don's ideal client, a heavyweight title-holder with just enough ability to hold onto the title without *****ing and moaning about $$$ and other factors....it's a match made in greco-roman heaven

I thought Golota beat him and so did many others it was not a clear cut victory. He beat a washed up Holyfield which everyone is beating now so who cares and Rahman isnt that good either. So, NO he does NOT deserve to be in the Hall of Fame.

I see your point, but remember that Ruiz and Croney Stone rarely ever argue with King about purses, venues, dates, opponents, etc. Ruiz fights wherever and whenever King tells him to, at whatever price Don offers, Ruiz is Don's ideal client, a heavyweight title-holder with just enough ability to hold onto the title without *****ing and moaning about $$$ and other factors....it's a match made in greco-roman heaven

Yeah, the way Don King is, all he wants is to keep a champion in his corner that doesn't complain. Hopefully, Ruiz will still lose, even though I'm not sure who will win. Ruiz always seems to find a way to win.

the win of golota shouldnt count because if u look at the offical scorecards it mean golota only won 2 rounds vs ruiz and thats the 2 knockdown round and the penilty round. did anyone on planet earth have golota winning only those rounds?

the win of golota shouldnt count because if u look at the offical scorecards it mean golota only won 2 rounds vs ruiz and thats the 2 knockdown round and the penilty round. did anyone on planet earth have golota winning only those rounds?


Exactly....

we can go to hall of shame

ruiz can punch pretty damn hard and has a great jab.. if you look close he only hug usally after the straigt right or the hard jab sometime boring is brilliant in boxing ..he is underrated and smart in the ring ..james toney gone be shocked by his power.. he dont use his legs like roy did

ruiz can punch pretty damn hard and has a great jab.. if you look close he only hug usally after the straigt right or the hard jab sometime boring is brilliant in boxing ..he is underrated and smart in the ring ..james toney gone be shocked by his power.. he dont use his legs like roy did

Yeah, I agree, I think Ruiz's power is underestimated. Yes, he does hug like a Somalian in Canada, but he knows how to win. I still don't like him though.

that huggign john ruiz does is cheating and im surprised he has never been DQ'd, when a boxer lunges at u to grab and hold on u its called holding and u get points taken away and disquilfied for it. at least that how i see it but ref's have been calling them clinches for some reason, u dont lung and try to grab someone in a clinch, a clinch happen usual when 2 fighters r in the inside adn one wants back out so he locks up with the other till the ref breaks. john ruiz most of the time does not do that

I think Ruiz is not worthy yet of the HOF. Nonetheless, he will probably be because of being the first hispanic. Regardless he should get some credit for having found a boring, but effective, style that keeps his bank account growing. We will see after Tooney

that huggign john ruiz does is cheating and im surprised he has never been DQ'd, when a boxer lunges at u to grab and hold on u its called holding and u get points taken away and disquilfied for it. at least that how i see it but ref's have been calling them clinches for some reason, u dont lung and try to grab someone in a clinch, a clinch happen usual when 2 fighters r in the inside adn one wants back out so he locks up with the other till the ref breaks. john ruiz most of the time does not do that
he dont loose points cuz hes the one always throwing the punches when he hugs so his opponets cant counter and james toneys a counter puncher hmmmm

Apologies.... putting the words "John" and "Ruiz" together is the laziest way to generate a wind-up thread; in fact, it's the first one in the book, just ahead of "Was Frank Bruno a better boxer than Muhammad Ali?" (Damn, I wished I'd saved that one...)


I'll try and be more inventive next time, wind-up fans!

Still ****ing annoying as usual i see ;)

Still ****ing annoying as usual i see ;)Harsh man, harsh! :)

"Don't give me that, you jussst brought him over here to bassssh me up!"

With all due respect, I believe that this is about one of the lamest posts I have read on this sight. Ruiz? LOL.........R :boxing: ockin'

John Ruiz is a joke, and Jones didn't dance on him much. If Toney can break his nose in the second round, he should have a shot at winning.

if John Ruiz gets inducted into the boxing hall of fame i'm burning the place down.

if John Ruiz gets inducted into the boxing hall of fame i'm burning the place down.
I'll be waiting for you since I work for the FBI !!!

~~~~Ruiz can not be stopped~~~~

if John Ruiz gets inducted into the boxing hall of fame i'm burning the place down.
I'll supply the matches :)

I'll be waiting for you since I work for the FBI !!!

~~~~Ruiz can not be stopped~~~~
an FBI member disguised as a John Ruiz fan....dude nobody would fall for that, you're front is pretty lousy, keep those gats nice & close brother

Think about it... look at the records and the behind the scenes wrangles...


Tyson has a legitimate loss and a DQ to Evander Holyfield.

Ruiz is 1-1-1 with Holyfield, and many think he won two.


Tyson paid Lewis $4 million dollars not to fight him.

Lewis ducked Ruiz.


It took Lewis two attempts to beat Rahman - Ruiz did it in the first attempt.

Lewis and Tyson fought a Golota drugged up and injured... Ruiz fought him on form.

Since Ruiz was established, his only losses were when he was distracted by a divorce and a lucky punch.


All the other belt holders are avoiding him.



So should Ruiz go down in the Hall of Fame as the best heavyweight of the last two decades? Surely his record speaks for itself?

What do others think?
well i'm sure the pretender and a few others would like to see him entered into the hall of fame :D

This is a good thread and makes valid points. Ruiz is more deserving to be inducted into HOF than Holyfield or Tyson. Not to mention he beat 4 HOF fighters.

i think he should go down in the hall of fame for the simple fact that he has developed a way of winning fights a guy with his ability should have no chance of winning. i think ruiz is an inspiration to those of us who are not gifted in life but work hard and make the most of what we've got. so for that reason he deserves a place
i truly believe thats^ the reason he should be included, i honestly believe that, however it shouldn't be at lewis, tyson and holyfield's expence of course.

i truly believe thats^ the reason he should be included, i honestly believe that, however it shouldn't be at lewis, tyson and holyfield's expence of course.

What? Name anyone of repute that Tyson beat in the last 10 years. Compare to Ruiz great record. End of story.

i think excutioner video answers this thread

Of course, "John Ruiz combined styles of all the great fighters from every different era and made them into his own."


Thats a direct quote from Ruiz Golota pay-per-view

Maybe thepretender was the producer of that event.

Ruiz schooled Golota like the bum he is.

Ruiz schooled Golota like the bum he is.

Golota fought ****ty against Ruiz but he did knock him down twice. So you gotta him credit for that. Golota maybe should have got the descison because he had a 3 point round. And Ruiz and a point deducted the judges had Ruiz winning like 10 of the 12 rounds that kinda ridiculous, but oh vey.

i'll say one thing for ruiz, he never quit during a fight unlike golota, thats even worse than being boring in my book

Golota fought ****ty against Ruiz but he did knock him down twice. So you gotta him credit for that. Golota maybe should have got the descison because he had a 3 point round. And Ruiz and a point deducted the judges had Ruiz winning like 10 of the 12 rounds that kinda ridiculous, but oh vey.

Golota knocked him down twice by hitting him in the balls typical golota style. I give Ruiz credit for getting up with steel balls and winning 10 of 12 rounds.

Golota knocked him down twice by hitting him in the balls typical golota style. I give Ruiz credit for getting up with steel balls and winning 10 of 12 rounds.

He hit him clean on the chin for the first knockdown the second one he hit him hard in teh chest and Ruiz fell over. Ruiz is even dirtier fighter than Golota is. Golota never fought dirty except against Riddick Bowe and that was in retaltion for Riddick Bowe hitting him behind the head over and over and over with overhand rights and getting no warning, and Bowe was hitting low too.

if he buys a ticket he should be able to get in like the rest of us.

He hit him clean on the chin for the first knockdown the second one he hit him hard in teh chest and Ruiz fell over. Ruiz is even dirtier fighter than Golota is. Golota never fought dirty except against Riddick Bowe and that was in retaltion for Riddick Bowe hitting him behind the head over and over and over with overhand rights and getting no warning, and Bowe was hitting low too.

Golota doesn't have the demeanor of a champ like Ruiz. That's why he cries back to his locker room every time he loses. Ruiz takes a loss honorably.

Golota doesn't have the demeanor of a champ like Ruiz. That's why he cries back to his locker room every time he loses. Ruiz takes a loss honorably.

He took a loss vs Tua and then he started the style that was based on "his innovative use of grappling techniques" and then he lost to Toney and he retired.

He took a loss vs Tua and then he started the style that was based on "his innovative use of grappling techniques" and then he lost to Toney and he retired.

You forgot the part about him becoming 2 time HW champ, first latino HW champ, and beating 4 HOF fighters, and making 4 successful defenses of his belt. What did Golota do? Nothing. And not even RJJ was man enough to try and defend his belt after a fluke win over Ruiz. Everyone gotta retire someday. Least he didnt cry like Golota does.

You forgot the part about him becoming 2 time HW champ, first latino HW champ, and beating 4 HOF fighters, and making 4 successful defenses of his belt. What did Golota do? Nothing. And not even RJJ was man enough to try and defend his belt after a fluke win over Ruiz. Everyone gotta retire someday. Least he didnt cry like Golota does.

The only thing correct in your post is that Golota is a HOF fighter. He will go on to unify the heavyweight titles after he KO's Brewster. He has just been pretending to be a shot fighter for last 4 years, so the odds stack up really good against him and he can bet like 2 million on himself at 20-1 vs Vitali Klistchko than the real Golota will come out and KO Vitali in 3.

Ok someone's been hitting the crack pipe once too often.

Ok someone's been hitting the crack pipe once too often.

Yep, Don King Productions has.

"John Ruiz has combined styles from all the great fighters from every different era and combined them into his own" the boxingscene member Slipx actually quoted that once in support of Ruiz. Slipx is the second biggest Ruiz fan after the pretender.

Golota will never be a champ like Ruiz because he doesn't have the heart of a champion. He also has mental problems and emotional weakness. And Golota has more natural born ability which makes that even worse since Ruiz had to work hard to develop his skills.

Ruiz's skills are really quite something aren't they. 1 punch jab 1 punch jab amazing style, very innovative and creative.

yea he should go down in the hall of shame as the most boring boxer to ever step into a squared circle

Ruiz's skills are really quite something aren't they. 1 punch jab 1 punch jab amazing style, very innovative and creative.

Well if those skills so poor then why did he successfully defend against 4 good fighters? Guess those fighters were garbage and stupid.

I did not say Ruiz's skills are poor. I said they were innovative and creative. He invented a new boxing style all his own.

All three men are hallof famers in my book

ruiz is a top hall of shame fighter.

Think about it... look at the records and the behind the scenes wrangles...


Tyson has a legitimate loss and a DQ to Evander Holyfield.

Ruiz is 1-1-1 with Holyfield, and many think he won two.


Tyson paid Lewis $4 million dollars not to fight him.

Lewis ducked Ruiz.


It took Lewis two attempts to beat Rahman - Ruiz did it in the first attempt.

Lewis and Tyson fought a Golota drugged up and injured... Ruiz fought him on form.

Since Ruiz was established, his only losses were when he was distracted by a divorce and a lucky punch.


All the other belt holders are avoiding him.



So should Ruiz go down in the Hall of Fame as the best heavyweight of the last two decades? Surely his record speaks for itself?

What do others think?

Alright Anorak..stop playing man! :D

Why does everyone hate Ruiz besides the fact that he's boring and lame and cannot box at all?
Oh i think i answered everyone's question.

Watch Ruiz become 3 time world champ in his triumphant return.

anorak = pretender....notice how anorak disapears then pretender comes and vice versa

Yeah, great call on the video replay, they should also mix-in some of those classic highlights of Johnny groping Evander, hugging Rahman, and making love to Norman Stone, wow what a highlight reel it would be! What the heck show some clips of Superman Jones kicking has a$$ also


For once, I agree with you, LOL

anorak = pretender....notice how anorak disapears then pretender comes and vice versa


It's true like Kurt Angle.

Golota will never be a champ like Ruiz because he doesn't have the heart of a champion. He also has mental problems and emotional weakness. And Golota has more natural born ability which makes that even worse since Ruiz had to work hard to develop his skills.


It's not hard to hug(men in Ruiz' case).

anorak = pretender....notice how anorak disapears then pretender comes and vice versaZab, if you keep saying that you're calling me a liar, man. I told you this guy wasn't me... I did this thread nearly a month ago, it was just a one-off gag that should have died by now. It was started before he even arrived.

If I WAS the Pretender I hope I'd have more than one joke. Don't get me wrong, he seems okay, but it's always the same.

Once again, I give my word that this guy isn't me - I've not been around tonight cos I was uploading and working late.

Zab, if you keep saying that you're calling me a liar, man. I told you this guy wasn't me... I did this thread nearly a month ago, it was just a one-off gag that should have died by now. It was started before he even arrived.

If I WAS the Pretender I hope I'd have more than one joke. Don't get me wrong, he seems okay, but it's always the same.

Once again, I give my word that this guy isn't me - I've not been around tonight cos I was uploading and working late.
If you at least admitted you were the Pretender, we'd forgive you for having the most ridiculous comments outside of....well me i guess... :) just man-up and admit you have a filthy alter ego, shoot I always disagree with SturmRules and Super Lightweight but at least we all man-up and show our true identity each time we post

If you at least admitted you were the Pretender, we'd forgive you for having the most ridiculous comments outside of....well me i guess... :) just man-up and admit you have a filthy alter ego, shoot I always disagree with SturmRules and Super Lightweight but at least we all man-up and show our true identity each time we post
Nah, man, my gags get remembered but I'm only a gag merchant about 20% of the time... this guy's at it 24/7. The only alter ego I've had is Homo_The_Rippuh.

Nah, man, my gags get remembered but I'm only a gag merchant about 20% of the time... this guy's at it 24/7. The only alter ego I've had is Homo_The_Rippuh.
I know brotha, just clownin' :)

just wait until I HAVE an alter ego, you guys are in for some serious nonsense!

I know brotha, just clownin' :)

just wait until I HAVE an alter ego, you guys are in for some serious nonsense!
You bastard! :D You got me on the line there, I was bitin', man! :D Nice one!

Zab, if you keep saying that you're calling me a liar, man. I told you this guy wasn't me... I did this thread nearly a month ago, it was just a one-off gag that should have died by now. It was started before he even arrived.

If I WAS the Pretender I hope I'd have more than one joke. Don't get me wrong, he seems okay, but it's always the same.

Once again, I give my word that this guy isn't me - I've not been around tonight cos I was uploading and working late.

Why it have to be a joke to be a Ruiz fan. That's crap. Tons of you people support bum fighters like Golota, Byrd, Brewster, and lardass Toney. Thats right the HW division full of bums now that the true champ Ruiz is gone. True fans know appreciate the great record of quietman.

Why it have to be a joke to be a Ruiz fan. That's crap. Tons of you people support bum fighters like Golota, Byrd, Brewster, and lardass Toney. Thats right the HW division full of bums now that the true champ Ruiz is gone. True fans know appreciate the great record of quietman.
don't get me wrong i'm not a john ruiz fan or never will be, but the way some people talk it's as if he's just some guy of the street, but he was a WORLD champion, and beat some good fighter's, i must admit i didn't think he would of beaten Rahman or Oquendo but he did, and he gave holyfield problems, yeah the guy was boring,but he was still a world champion

although this thread was originally meant as a joke, i do think there are some serious issues regarding how good ruiz was, like if he was able to beat the likes of Rahman and Oquendo who are considered top boxers, how bad does that make them? surely truely great natural heavyweights should have beat him. but they didn't, it took two lower weight guys to show ruiz's lack of ability, no ''big guy'' could do this, with the exception of tua. so all this just goes to show how bad the heavyweight divsion is, and john ruiz is the poster boy of this fact

Tua don't even count. When you look at Ruiz career it's the exact low point after which Ruiz went on to accomplish great things in the face of adversity and long odds. That means the Tua KO was a fluke and lucky shot. Those happen in boxing.

Tua don't even count. When you look at Ruiz career it's the exact low point after which Ruiz went on to accomplish great things in the face of adversity and long odds. That means the Tua KO was a fluke and lucky shot. Those happen in boxing.
clearly, Ruiz is a top 5 all-time heavyweight...

Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Larry Holmes, and John Ruiz, best 5 in history....no doubt about it.....

......

hold on just a second, I gotta pull this Heroin needle outta my arm....

Ruiz belong above Joe Louis in that line up. You don't seriously think a prime Joe could beat a prime John do you.

Ruiz belong above Joe Louis in that line up. You don't seriously think a prime Joe could beat a prime John do you.
since I only type on this site here at work on the slow days, I love your moronic posts, keep it up man, it helps my day go by a lot quicker

since I only type on this site here at work on the slow days, I love your moronic posts, keep it up man, it helps my day go by a lot quicker

Dont change the subject. You know I'm right.

Borriingg....

the win of golota shouldnt count because if u look at the offical scorecards it mean golota only won 2 rounds vs ruiz and thats the 2 knockdown round and the penilty round. did anyone on planet earth have golota winning only those rounds?
yeah really, that's ridicolous.

Why it have to be a joke to be a Ruiz fan. That's crap. Tons of you people support bum fighters like Golota, Byrd, Brewster, and lardass Toney. Thats right the HW division full of bums now that the true champ Ruiz is gone. True fans know appreciate the great record of quietman.
Toney a lardass? What's that make Ruiz? Toney whooped him, and so did Golota...ahaha

L. Lewis didn't have to fight Ruiz coz he knew he'd beat him anyway. The Klitchko's were far more worthy than Ruiz. Avoiding Ruiz is like avoiding the gay bar. And really, there's nothing wrong with that. :D

Toney beat Ruiz like the jail house ***** he really is. :D

Toney a lardass? What's that make Ruiz? Toney whooped him, and so did Golota...ahaha

Ruiz the man of steel. Look at his pics, he's ripped. Toney a fat piece of pork fat. And Golota a retard who cried when Ruiz beat the tar out of him.

L. Lewis didn't have to fight Ruiz coz he knew he'd beat him anyway. The Klitchko's were far more worthy than Ruiz. :D
i think the accusation that lewis avoided ruiz because he knew he would beat him is a fair point, however the same could be said about chris byrd, lennox knew these where ''no win fights'', they would be very boring fights, which may have made lewis look very bad, albeit a winner at the end, there was just no point in lewis figting those guys

i think the accusation that lewis avoided ruiz because he knew he would beat him is a fair point, however the same could be said about chris byrd, lennox knew these where ''no win fights'', they would be very boring fights, which may have made lewis look very bad, albeit a winner at the end, there was just no point in lewis figting those guys

Lewis a coward that ducked Vitali rematch after he got stopped on cuts. I don't put it past him to refuse a Ruiz fight because he afraid of a loss.

Ruiz the man of steel. Look at his pics, he's ripped. Toney a fat piece of pork fat. And Golota a retard who cried when Ruiz beat the tar out of him.
PRETENDER - quit stealin' my "retard" lines, people are gonna think I'm you

and Toney's fat a$$ whipped your boy so deal with it

i think the accusation that lewis avoided ruiz because he knew he would beat him is a fair point, however the same could be said about chris byrd, lennox knew these where ''no win fights'', they would be very boring fights, which may have made lewis look very bad, albeit a winner at the end, there was just no point in lewis figting those guys

Yep. Absolutely boring fights and all L.Lewis would have gotten was "Why did you fight these so called contenders?" Anyway, there's always the lighter weight fighters to get excited over. :boxing:

PRETENDER - quit stealin' my "retard" lines, people are gonna think I'm you

and Toney's fat a$$ whipped your boy so deal with it

Oh really then why he inked a Byrd fight as soon as he heard Ruiz out of retirement? He avoiding Ruiz that's why!

Yep. Absolutely boring fights and all L.Lewis would have gotten was "Why did you fight these so called contenders?" Anyway, there's always the lighter weight fighters to get excited over. :boxing:

Lewis never get into HOF because he fought easy competition and his highlight is a wasted Tyson beatdown. Then he dips out when Vitali enters his prime. Lewis a joke. His shining moment was being a stablemate of Ruiz.

His shining moment was being a stablemate of Ruiz.

BWAHAHAHA! You're too funny! Outshined his draw and win over Holyfield, eh? :D Love your sarcasm, man!

Lewis never get into HOF because he fought easy competition and his highlight is a wasted Tyson beatdown. Then he dips out when Vitali enters his prime. Lewis a joke. His shining moment was being a stablemate of Ruiz.
:) The Pretender is in rare-form this morning, extremely ridiculous posts on a number of threads, I'm laughing my a$$ off, thanks for the comic relief Pretender!

BWAHAHAHA! You're too funny! Outshined his draw and win over Holyfield, eh? :D Love your sarcasm, man!

Draw and win over Holyfield? Get real! Ruiz got a win and draw over holyfield too! And guess what? Ruiz only the second fighter to knockdown Holyfield other than Bowe ever! Lewis never knockdown Holy.

Lewis a coward that ducked Vitali rematch after he got stopped on cuts. I don't put it past him to refuse a Ruiz fight because he afraid of a loss.

Lewis is no coward. He retired because the time was right, and all the Klitschko fans need to understand that he didnt do it to avoid Vitali..thats so lame. And Lewis never, ever won a fight by hugging his opponet to death.

Draw and win over Holyfield? Get real! Ruiz got a win and draw over holyfield too! And guess what? Ruiz only the second fighter to knockdown Holyfield other than Bowe ever! Lewis never knockdown Holy.
ooooooh a knockdown of an old fighter, wow what a great accomplishment, Ruiz got to clean-up Lewis and Tyson's left-overs, Ruiz is like a the ugly puppy sitting under the table waiting for Croney and King to feed him table-scraps

Lewis is no coward. He retired because the time was right, and all the Klitschko fans need to understand that he didnt do it to avoid Vitali..thats so lame. And Lewis never, ever won a fight by hugging his opponet to death.

Lewis unified the division when it was its weakest form in history, even worse than today! He fought a bunch of spent old fighters and mediocre contenders. That's why he never be seen as an all time great. He could have retired great if he had shown that he could beat Vitali who was winning on all cards before the cuts stopped the fight. Now we'll never know. Bad move by Lewis.

the joke isn't funny anymore Pretender. Please stop :cool:

It's not funny anymore you people saying being a Ruiz fan is a joke. I'm a two year member of Ruiz website boards.

It's not funny anymore you people saying being a Ruiz fan is a joke. I'm a two year member of Ruiz website boards.

which makes you so extremely biased that debating with you is counterproductive, and stupid. Did I mention pointless? If not, pointless.

I'm a two year member of Ruiz website boards.


sure you are..if so, please go back there :D

Lewis is no coward. He retired because the time was right, and all the Klitschko fans need to understand that he didnt do it to avoid Vitali..thats so lame. And Lewis never, ever won a fight by hugging his opponet to death.
i think lewis just realized that he was starting to fade, and klitchko proved this point to him, lewis didn't want to have another war with klitchko and suffer a possible defeat, he wanted to retire at the top, which he done. i don't think he was 100% convinced that he would beat klitchko in a rematch, but he was just being smart he knew his time was coming to an end. i do however think that on the top of his game and at his peak he would have always beaten klitchko, but lewis knew at that point in his career at 39 he had a lucky escape.

which makes you so extremely biased that debating with you is counterproductive, and stupid. Did I mention pointless? If not, pointless.

As much crap as you talk about Ruiz and then you call someone biased for being a Ruiz fan? It's tough being a Ruiz fan because he fights through all the adversity and hard challenges against all odds to great victories. Unlike you nuthuggers who strap themselves to the balls of any fighter that happens to be popular at the time. That's weak and pathetic. Did I mention pathetic? If not, pathetic!

As much crap as you talk about Ruiz and then you call someone biased for being a Ruiz fan? It's tough being a Ruiz fan because he fights through all the adversity and hard challenges against all odds to great victories. Unlike you nuthuggers who strap themselves to the balls of any fighter that happens to be popular at the time. That's weak and pathetic. Did I mention pathetic? If not, pathetic!

Actually, I dont go for the "popular at the moment fighter"..I'm a hugh Holyfield fan, so at best you can poke fun at his age and refusal to quit. All the crap I've said about Ruiz? You've got me mixed up man...all I said was he hug's too much. That was all. And I stand by that. I hardly call that talking crap when I've seen round after round of him doing just that.
You are biased..the same way I'm biased towards Gatti and Holyfield. Why be ashamed of it?

Ashamed of what? I'm a Ruiz fan because he has more heart and courage than any other fighter in boxing today. Ruiz talks ****? He's the most humble champ there is! That's why he's called quietman, duh.

See you biased towards Holyfield, only the most popular fighter overall since Ali. Nuthugging the bandwagon crowd favorite, just like I thought.

Ashamed of what? I'm a Ruiz fan because he has more heart and courage than any other fighter in boxing today. Ruiz talks ****? He's the most humble champ there is! That's why he's called quietman, duh.

See you biased towards Holyfield, only the most popular fighter overall since Ali. Nuthugging the bandwagon crowd favorite, just like I thought.

I never said he was a **** talker, duh. :rolleyes: You get things mixed up at times dont you? My affection for Evander has nothing to do with a bandwagon...damn man, the guy is in his 40's and the laughing stock of the sport. Hardly what people still term as the favorite. Trying to talk to you is the same as banging ones head against a wall. Pointless.

Actually, I dont go for the "popular at the moment fighter"..I'm a hugh Holyfield fan, so at best you can poke fun at his age and refusal to quit. All the crap I've said about Ruiz? You've got me mixed up man...all I said was he hug's too much. That was all. And I stand by that. I hardly call that talking crap when I've seen round after round of him doing just that.
You are biased..the same way I'm biased towards Gatti and Holyfield. Why be ashamed of it?

This, smart guy, if you'll read it right, plainly says that me claiming he hugs alot is not talking crap. Youre the one that turned it into me saying Ruiz talks ****. Your confusing yourself..and God knows who else!

Think about it... look at the records and the behind the scenes wrangles...


Tyson has a legitimate loss and a DQ to Evander Holyfield.

Ruiz is 1-1-1 with Holyfield, and many think he won two.


Tyson paid Lewis $4 million dollars not to fight him.

Lewis ducked Ruiz.


It took Lewis two attempts to beat Rahman - Ruiz did it in the first attempt.

Lewis and Tyson fought a Golota drugged up and injured... Ruiz fought him on form.

Since Ruiz was established, his only losses were when he was distracted by a divorce and a lucky punch.


All the other belt holders are avoiding him.



So should Ruiz go down in the Hall of Fame as the best heavyweight of the last two decades? Surely his record speaks for itself?

What do others think?

Gonna disagree with ya here. Ruiz is a champ in an era of bad heavys. If he had fought in the early 90's as a contender, not just starting out, he would have been starched by at least a half dozen guys including Ray Mercer, Tommy Morrison , Michael Moorer, Razor Ruddock and Oliver Mccall before even hitting the big names like Bowe and Holyfield in his prime

I never said he was a **** talker, duh. :rolleyes: You get things mixed up at times dont you? My affection for Evander has nothing to do with a bandwagon...damn man, the guy is in his 40's and the laughing stock of the sport. Hardly what people still term as the favorite. Trying to talk to you is the same as banging ones head against a wall. Pointless.

You're a joke. Try reading that great article on the front page about boxers with great records. So what if Evander ate most his losses at the end of his illustrious career, most people still consider him probably the greatest fighter since Ali because he never ducked and beat the best fighters of his generation. You know Evander is a crowd favorite, don't lie.

Gonna disagree with ya here. Ruiz is a champ in an era of bad heavys. If he had fought in the early 90's as a contender, not just starting out, he would have been starched by at least a half dozen guys including Ray Mercer, Tommy Morrison , Michael Moorer, Razor Ruddock and Oliver Mccall before even hitting the big names like Bowe and Holyfield in his prime

And Lewis was a unified champ during the same era of fighters so whats your point. Thats why Lewis legacy is controversial.

this is quite weird
I don't even know if Ruiz goes to the hall of fame if he retires now
good opponents but he never set himself apart

And Lewis was a unified champ during the same era of fighters so whats your point. Thats why Lewis legacy is controversial.


he BEAT those fighters convincingly. Ruiz didnt. Thats my point

he BEAT those fighters convincingly. Ruiz didnt. Thats my point

Sure he did. You need to read my "15 Reasons" thread and learn some history.

I read that thread and have come to the conclusion that you are either one hell of a funny gimmick account or someone who didnt pass the third grade until they were 16. Kind of torn as to which at the moment

I read that thread and have come to the conclusion that you are either one hell of a funny gimmick account or someone who didnt pass the third grade until they were 16. Kind of torn as to which at the moment

If you read that thread and still couldn't learn anything I can't help you any more. Go spend some time on johnthequietmanruiz.com website and be educated.

btw what is Ruiz's hometown?

chelsea. Don't try me foo, I'm Ruiz #1 fan.

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http://www.brama.com/sports/thumbs/021210klitschko_wladimir.jpg

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Ha Brewster a big *****. He ducked Ruiz like every other heavyweight. It took two middleweights to man up and fight Ruiz and one had to juice. Brewster's a girlscout.

You're a joke. Try reading that great article on the front page about boxers with great records. So what if Evander ate most his losses at the end of his illustrious career, most people still consider him probably the greatest fighter since Ali because he never ducked and beat the best fighters of his generation. You know Evander is a crowd favorite, don't lie.

Jesus...what a dumbass. I dont usually get into the name calling, but if there is a bigger idiot at this site I've yet to exchange words with them. OUt of everything I said, all you could dispute was the Evander is not that 'favored' anymore..nothign about you claiming I said Ruiz was a **** talker, etc. The least you could have done was admit you got that part completely wrong. And you call me the joke..wow, you need to look in the mirror when using that term on somebody.
Like I posted before..debating with you is pointless..unless it's a fellow Ruiz fan we're all stupid, etc. as far as your concerned..thank God youre in the minority.

i think you've been drinking AND smoking anorak you crazy mofo, ruiz and hall of fame, thats like saying ruiz and great together, it just doesn't mix :D

That exactly what I think too. :D :cool:

Sorry guys, I blasted someone the other day about a post on Klitshko beating Ali. I founded absurd. It appears this thread is going the same way. Ruiz in the HoF? I think you're just trying to get up your post count my friend----------ADMIN TAKE NOTE!

Gonna disagree with ya here. Ruiz is a champ in an era of bad heavys. If he had fought in the early 90's as a contender, not just starting out, he would have been starched by at least a half dozen guys including Ray Mercer, Tommy Morrison , Michael Moorer, Razor Ruddock and Oliver Mccall before even hitting the big names like Bowe and Holyfield in his prime
some of those guys may have beaten him, but i think ruiz would have found a way to win some of them, i think ruiz would have beat morrison, the other three guys would maybe be 50/50 fights, McCall is dangerous but can be outboxed, moorer was unpredictable, i think if they hit ruiz clean with hard shots like tua did they could certainly beat him, but as i say most of them would probably be 50/50 fights.

he is not a hallfame type of fighter. he one of those who come and go. if tyson, lewis, holyfield were in there prime they would rip his head off. hes style of fighting is ****.

When Ruiz gets his belt back he'll have more opportunities to solidify his record. I have no doubt he would have become 3 time world champ but now after the Toney scandel, he'll be able to possibly take that Byrd fight that was going to be in July. Now what's Byrd's excuse?

When Ruiz gets his belt back he'll have more opportunities to solidify his record. I have no doubt he would have become 3 time world champ but now after the Toney scandel, he'll be able to possibly take that Byrd fight that was going to be in July. Now what's Byrd's excuse?
chris bryd is not the fighter he used to be, i think it's time he maybe thought about quitting, his last few fights were very close, and if he dosn't retire soon, we will maybe see him truly beaten in the future, chris bryd's style is based on reflexes and they must surely be starting to fade, a ruiz v bryd fight would not be very interesting anyway

[QUOTE=The Pretender]When Ruiz gets his belt back he'll have more opportunities to solidify his record. I have no doubt he would have become 3 time world champ QUOTE]Toney ?[/
it wouldn't suprise me if ruiz did somehow have another way of winning a few big fights again, it seems this guy just won't go away, love him or hate him

If Ruiz is ever going to the Hall of Fame, it would be as the Worst Heavyweight bogus champion in the History of boxing.

Even mentioning his name along with HOF is a disgrace in itself.