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as usual zabmoe's talking out his ass. of coarse he's ducking mosley and would rather fight margarito or cosme. he wouldn't have a chance against mosley. its smart for him to fight one dimentional margarito and second tier cosme before dlh, tszuh, or mosley knocks him back down to 140 where he belongs.

as usual zabmoe's talking out his ass. of coarse he's ducking mosley and would rather fight margarito or cosme. he wouldn't have a chance against mosley. its smart for him to fight one dimentional margarito and second tier cosme before dlh, tszuh, or mosley knocks him back down to 140 where he belongs.
you got to be crazy by callin' margarito one dimensional :eek:
i take margarito over mosley anygiven day of the week :cool:

i sense fear in zab when he mentioned margarito he he

That talk about being the Mexican assassin could come back to haunt him someday if he blows it. Still, I take him over anyone else in the division...call me crazy if you want.

judah is letting his win over spinks go to his head, that isnt good cause he already has trouble staying focused.

btw judah beats mosley and margarito but the fight i want to see is judah vs dlh.

i'll take margarito over any welter i'm that confident

judah is letting his win over spinks go to his head, that isnt good cause he already has trouble staying focused.

Yeah, I agree that could be a problem. He's done a lot of talking since that win.

judah is just real confident........but he would definitely beat margarito and im pretty sure he beats mosley too..mosley of old destroys judah though

judah looked good in his last fight. he was focused and all business. if he acted that way all the time, i think he would win against mosely and margarito.

judah is just real confident........but he would definitely beat margarito and im pretty sure he beats mosley too..mosley of old destroys judah though

mosleys just as fast as spinx and has much more power and is much more inteligent. mosley can take harder punches than zab can throw.both fighters seem to slack off to conserve energy for later rounds. a focusd zab who can make round by round adjustments would give mosley problems but i dont see zab having the power to hurt mosley enough for him to make any major mistakes.mosley's getting better every fight,same as zab.but mosley's more stronger and inteligent.no KO's in this one.but possible mosley TKO if judah starts clowning.zab has more confidents but shane is hungry. hey super nice toney pic.

From all reports I read of Mosley vs Estrada, he still ain't looking that great. Why should he be favored over Judah, because he beat DLH 5 years ago? I don't think so. Judah has a better chance of beating Mosley than Margarito. Judah has talent but doesn't focus as much as he should. This will bite him in the ass vs a guy like Margy, but vs Mosley, who couldn't even take advantage of a wounded Estrada, this could work. Estrada is a good fighter but the old Mosley would have TKO'd him and abused him when he had him hurt.

If Margarito is "one dimensional", that one dimension he has is good enough to be the champ at 147 lbs. Mosley will NEVER EVER again be the undisputed champion in any weight class, I promise you this.

Man, my kids been sick for the last few days, so I log on to find out that Cintron lost :( ... It kills me that he lost, and that I missed seeing the whole damn card! :mad:

Man, Zab looks shrimp next to Marguarito...and he'd still win

mosleys just as fast as spinx and has much more power and is much more inteligent. mosley can take harder punches than zab can throw.both fighters seem to slack off to conserve energy for later rounds. a focusd zab who can make round by round adjustments would give mosley problems but i dont see zab having the power to hurt mosley enough for him to make any major mistakes.mosley's getting better every fight,same as zab.but mosley's more stronger and inteligent.no KO's in this one.but possible mosley TKO if judah starts clowning.zab has more confidents but shane is hungry. hey super nice toney pic.

I wouldn't agree with anyone who says that Zab isn't an intelligent fighter. You might not like some of his antics or aspects of his personality but his awareness in the ring is possibly in the top 5 among all current fighter, at least IMO. If Mayweather would be #1 in this category Zab definitely looks good next to him, even if he isn't quite at his level.

When he is paying enough attention Zab makes the adjustments he needs against whatever opponent he is facing. Check out Spinks II and Bergman for good examples of this. A guy can be smart in one way and dumb in other ways, but that doesn't make him dumb period.

Judah should keep his mouth shut, Cintron could probably kick his ass.

Zab is a damn good fighter there is no doubt about that but he took advantage of in my opinion one of the worst undiputed champions ever in Corey Spinks.

Spinks is a decent fighter but when you start talking about undisputed champs Corey Spinks becomes a bum. Had Spinks still have been champ when Oscar moved down the fight would have been signed immediately because Oscar would have recognized a sure when for a undisputed title when he saw one.

Spinks presents no real challenges for the elite in the division. His win against Mayorga was very ugly and the fight could have gone either way. His fight with MA Gonzalez was certainly distrurbing if you were a spinks fan.

Point is that Judah is a good fighter but he has not faced a real test yet at welterweight. both MArgarito and Mosely would be huge tests! Both those fights at this point are damn close but I would have to slightly lean toward Shane and Antonio in their respective fights,

Corey Spinks an undisputed champ...that is easy ****ing pickings!

Zab is a damn good fighter there is no doubt about that but he took advantage of in my opinion one of the worst undiputed champions ever in Corey Spinks.

Spinks is a decent fighter but when you start talking about undisputed champs Corey Spinks becomes a bum. Had Spinks still have been champ when Oscar moved down the fight would have been signed immediately because Oscar would have recognized a sure when for a undisputed title when he saw one.

Spinks presents no real challenges for the elite in the division. His win against Mayorga was very ugly and the fight could have gone either way. His fight with MA Gonzalez was certainly distrurbing if you were a spinks fan.

Point is that Judah is a good fighter but he has not faced a real test yet at welterweight. both MArgarito and Mosely would be huge tests! Both those fights at this point are damn close but I would have to slightly lean toward Shane and Antonio in their respective fights,

Corey Spinks an undisputed champ...that is easy ****ing pickings!

Thats absolutely correct and very well said. :cool:

mosley is one of my favs. but he hasnt won a meaniful fight in years

mosley is one of my favs. but he hasnt won a meaniful fight in years

Mine too.. how did he look that night? (so mad I missed it!!!)

Kermit "the Quitter" Cintron....I love it. Right on the mark.

judah is just real confident........but he would definitely beat margarito and im pretty sure he beats mosley too..mosley of old destroys judah though
i bet you a sig any day

i bet you a sig any day

I'll bet you points

Kermit "the Quitter" Cintron....I love it. Right on the mark.

I admit to not getting to see it, but from everything I've read, his corner threw in the towel..not Kermit himself. (damn, I hate to debate without having seen it!) If the corner did the quitting, how does that make Cintron a quitter?

[QUOTE=Zab Super Judah]I'll bet you points[/QUOTE
how about both?

That talk about being the Mexican assassin could come back to haunt him someday if he blows it. Still, I take him over anyone else in the division...call me crazy if you want.

CRAZY!

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I admit to not getting to see it, but from everything I've read, his corner threw in the towel..not Kermit himself. (damn, I hate to debate without having seen it!) If the corner did the quitting, how does that make Cintron a quitter?

Nah,by the time Cintron was bleeding you could see he was mentaly breaking down,by the last time he was down he was looking to his corner for help,it was kinda obvious,he certainly didnt dispute the dicision with anybody after they stopped it,i wouldnt call him a quitter tho, people call him a quitter because of how overwhelmed he looked,he lost to the much better fighter.

I'll bet you points
how about both?

I'm gonna go out on a limb here. Margarito would flat out KO Judah. Too much punch output for Judah to handle. Plus, Judah's chin wouldn't hold up.

judah is just real confident........but he would definitely beat margarito and im pretty sure he beats mosley too..mosley of old destroys judah though
mosley of old.. oh you mean the guy on steroids

If Margarito is so basic and one dimensional then he should fight him next to prove his point. If he doesnt he is just talking out of his ass and might turn out to be like spinks who ducked Margarito, and elected to fight a semi-retired Miguel Angel Gonzalez instead.

If Margarito is so basic and one dimensional then he should fight him next to prove his point. If he doesnt he is just talking out of his ass and might turn out to be like spinks who ducked Margarito, and elected to fight a semi-retired Miguel Angel Gonzalez instead.

Agreed. If Zab stays true to his words and his beliefs, he should have no problem fighting Margarito. IMO, it might be a bad idea because Margarito is no Cory Spinks.

Nah,by the time Cintron was bleeding you could see he was mentaly breaking down,by the last time he was down he was looking to his corner for help,it was kinda obvious,he certainly didnt dispute the dicision with anybody after they stopped it,i wouldnt call him a quitter tho, people call him a quitter because of how overwhelmed he looked,he lost to the much better fighter.

Thanks for the info...alot of people tend to forget just how very young this guy is, with so very, very much still to learn. I wont call him a quitter either, and I sure wont give up on him as a force to be dealt with in the wel. div. He's very green, with plenty of time left to redeem himself. Since when is it a shame for a young, not quite so experienced guy to lose to someone of Maragritos caliber anyway?? :confused: He'll get past this, and still go very far. If he can handle the mental aspects of this loss, then I have no worries. I dont think with all that he's been thru in his private life that this will 'ruin' him or keep him down for very long. And they all lose one evuentally anyway..he simply was not ready for Margarito.

whenever you are ready zab i'll take you on the bet :D

Thanks for the info...alot of people tend to forget just how very young this guy is, with so very, very much still to learn. I wont call him a quitter either, and I sure wont give up on him as a force to be dealt with in the wel. div. He's very green, with plenty of time left to redeem himself. Since when is it a shame for a young, not quite so experienced guy to lose to someone of Maragritos caliber anyway?? :confused: He'll get past this, and still go very far. If he can handle the mental aspects of this loss, then I have no worries. I dont think with all that he's been thru in his private life that this will 'ruin' him or keep him down for very long. And they all lose one evuentally anyway..he simply was not ready for Margarito.

Sure they all lose one eventually but Cintron did not even belong in the same ring as Antonio and this was supposed to be a u pickem fight going in.

I agree with you that you can't be too hard on Kermit but then again lets be realistic for a moment...you said you don't think he will be down very long, well it depends upon what you mean by that.

If you mean that he is going to be knocking around fringe contenders than I would certainly agree with you, but if you think he becomes a legit champion anytime soon (meaning next 3 or 4 years) than I think you need to watch the effort he gave on Saturday one more time.

It wasn't as bad as Mike Anchondo's performance but it was pretty piss poor, Kermit still may be a good fighter but he is most likely not the fighter many including myself hoped he would be, he could have lost and things could have been viewed much differently...however it was the way he lost that concerns people...he fought like he had no heart beat...he fought like Mike Anchondo and that is unacceptable I don't care who you are in the ring with.

Mosley looked like the Mosley of 154. Hesitant, unconfident, and throwing zero combinations. I got the feeling like he almost wanted to go 10 rounds. He had the opportunity to throw that body shot at will and it was obviously hurting Estrada.

There were countless times Estrada threw a slow, looping right that Mosley refused to counter. Each time I looked for mosley to get in there with some combos but...nothing.

There is no question that Margarito would be a bigger test for Judad at this stage. Mosley needs to stop talking about combinations and actually throw a few. Zab talks a lot ****, but I'm gonna agree with him..theres no reason Estrada should have gone 10 rounds the way he fought. he had heart and not much else.

After seein his fight with Estrada, I don't think that Mosley's got much against Judah right now. Zab's tellin the truth when he says that Shane is gonna have to work his way up, cus Estrada really shouldn't have been that much trouble for him. I'm not gonna anything away from David though, he went in there and did his thing, but c'mon, we all know that Mosely should've had that show closed out.

And the last picture that I saw of Oscar, it looked like he had quite a bit of work to do to get back to welterweight. I'm wonderin when he's supposed to come back down anyway?

mosley is one of my favs. but he hasnt won a meaniful fight in years

keep in consideration that mosley didnt fight any easy tuneup fights like most. until estrada. some consider mosley blowing his carrier because of it.

I wouldn't agree with anyone who says that Zab isn't an intelligent fighter. You might not like some of his antics or aspects of his personality but his awareness in the ring is possibly in the top 5 among all current fighter, at least IMO. If Mayweather would be #1 in this category Zab definitely looks good next to him, even if he isn't quite at his level.

When he is paying enough attention Zab makes the adjustments he needs against whatever opponent he is facing. Check out Spinks II and Bergman for good examples of this. A guy can be smart in one way and dumb in other ways, but that doesn't make him dumb period.

you know i agree with where you're coming from. zabs focus in spinks II made me reconsider the "new zab".but the intelligents factor has to be proven to me against a top contender with power.mosley can outwit a zab at this stage even though mosleys still on a mental and physical comeback trail.mosleys gotten hit by a lot harder punchers than zab. i don't see how judah can hurt him. and mosley can hurt. plus the clown factor in zab could crop up any time.

Zab Judah is letting the whole undisputed champion thing go to his head. He could very well turn out like the previous welterweight champions (Mosley, Lewis , Forrest , Mayorga , Spinks) whose reign did not last very long. I'd love to see Judah against Margarito, i think margaritos power would catch judah off guard. Shane isnt the monster he used to be, I think that Judah would beat him by decision.

Spinks is a decent fighter but when you start talking about undisputed champs Corey Spinks becomes a bum.

Bahaha! This cracked me up.

Oh yeah, talk is cheap - lets see the fights Zab. There's nothing worse than a shadow champ who hides behind his belts and doesnt defend them.

Sure they all lose one eventually but Cintron did not even belong in the same ring as Antonio and this was supposed to be a u pickem fight going in.

I agree with you that you can't be too hard on Kermit but then again lets be realistic for a moment...you said you don't think he will be down very long, well it depends upon what you mean by that.

If you mean that he is going to be knocking around fringe contenders than I would certainly agree with you, but if you think he becomes a legit champion anytime soon (meaning next 3 or 4 years) than I think you need to watch the effort he gave on Saturday one more time.

It wasn't as bad as Mike Anchondo's performance but it was pretty piss poor, Kermit still may be a good fighter but he is most likely not the fighter many including myself hoped he would be, he could have lost and things could have been viewed much differently...however it was the way he lost that concerns people...he fought like he had no heart beat...he fought like Mike Anchondo and that is unacceptable I don't care who you are in the ring with.

Already said I didnt get to see it (kid was sick) but from what I read his corner threw in the towel after a total of 4 knockdowns. I may change my opinion after viewing it of course, but as of now I still like to believe that with him being so young he can and will bounce back from this.

Already said I didnt get to see it (kid was sick) but from what I read his corner threw in the towel after a total of 4 knockdowns. I may change my opinion after viewing it of course, but as of now I still like to believe that with him being so young he can and will bounce back from this.
He was really only knocked down once from a punch. The second time he was lunging forward and he fell, the third one he took a knee after a little combo, and the fourth time he just fell backwards on his own. Also after the 4th knockdown Cintron just kept looking towards his corner, he really didn't try to stay up or fight back at all.

He was really only knocked down once from a punch. The second time he was lunging forward and he fell, the third one he took a knee after a little combo, and the fourth time he just fell backwards on his own. Also after the 4th knockdown Cintron just kept looking towards his corner, he really didn't try to stay up or fight back at all.

Damn, sounds bad. I almost dont want to see it, but I need to just to try and get a 'fix' on what was going on with him. This was a major fight for him, and a hugh step upward...so to not even try to fight back just doesnt make sense. I realize he may not have been ready for Margarito..simple as that, but it sounds like there was something else (mental maybe) going on as well.

Juda is just ducking Margarito because he knows he wont stand achanceagainst him. And Margarito is way better than Mosely thats why mosely refused the 1.1 million dollars he was offered to fight Margarito. Mosely said it himself that he is not ready to take on margarito. Antonio Margarito is the best 147lb fighter and he will take on Oscar de la Hoya, Mosely or Juda but they r all scared to fight him
so they duck him.

I don't belive Margarito is one dimensional.Even if he was 1 dimensional he is too tall and long for Zab Judah. Kostya Tszyu is one dimentional and he knocked out zab Judah in the second round.It only takes a one dimensional fighter to beat Judah.

i think judah is still immature. fools around a little too much. decent skills and speed and power but need to be more serious. i think his training would suffer because he is too ****y