hi guys
i heard that gloves of manny is the reason for his losing his match with erik morales is that right ?
in your opinion why pacquiao lost ?? :rolleyes: :boxing: :boxing:

people will say gloves didnt matter, but if they didnt why would morales's promoter put ir in the contract? in my opnion if pac had ryes gloves he could cut morales, and in the 12 round morales was almost done a little bit more power and i think he would had him, little things can count and the little power that was tooken away from pacq coulda made the outcome diff. but o well he lost better luck next time

The gloves didnt have anything to do with who won. If the gloves are what keeps pacquiao from winning he dont deserve to win its as simple as that.

As for that 12th round, Morales was hurt cus he went southpaw to show boat. You think he would have showboated if he really felt he could have been knocked out? Keep in mind the reason Morales might have survived that 12th round was because he too made Pacquiao do the Cotto dance in that very round. He was hurt too.

another conspiracy theory :eek: :bottle:
just let it go
erik won and that's final
you guys need to look ahead there are many interesting fight coming up

Morales was badly hurt in the first by a body shot prior to the twelveth but Manny could have done a lot of other different things that could have given him the win even with the Winnings gloves.

The gloves didnt have anything to do with who won. If the gloves are what keeps pacquiao from winning he dont deserve to win its as simple as that.

As for that 12th round, Morales was hurt cus he went southpaw to show boat. You think he would have showboated if he really felt he could have been knocked out? Keep in mind the reason Morales might have survived that 12th round was because he too made Pacquiao do the Cotto dance in that very round. He was hurt too.

THANK YOU! I need not say another word...that sums it up nicely ;)

Morales was badly hurt in the first by a body shot prior to the twelveth but Manny could have done a lot of other different things that could have given him the win even with the Winnings gloves.

Okay Mooks..I just want to make sure I get you here...many times before you posted that Erik won, fair and square..that he was jsut the better fighter that night (or something like that) Has that point of view changed for you? :confused: You know me..you know I'm being dead serious when I ask you that

nmorales would ahve won regardless...manny needs to stop running directly bag when someone is punching him

Okay Mooks..I just want to make sure I get you here...many times before you posted that Erik won, fair and square..that he was jsut the better fighter that night (or something like that) Has that point of view changed for you? :confused: You know me..you know I'm being dead serious when I ask you that

Watup trace, I was merely pointing out that you can't use the gloves as a justification of Pac's lost. Erik won that night, fair and square just like I said. I'm just saying Pac could have done things differently that may have given him more chance of getting the win like not backing straight back, stop lifting his hands to say he wasn't hurt...

Watup trace, I was merely pointing out that you can't use the gloves as a justification of Pac's lost. Erik won that night, fair and square just like I said. I'm just saying Pac could have done things differently that may have given him more chance of getting the win like not backing straight back, stop lifting his hands to say he wasn't hurt...

Cool..glad to hear it! (sigh of relief)
Maybe in the rematch (if there is one) he will keep all that in mind and do much better. That backing straight back is bad..no matter who it is. As for admitting he's hurt..I dont think he's got that in him. Too fiesty for that. With him giving up just doesnt seem like an option.

another conspiracy theory :eek: :bottle:
just let it go
erik won and that's final
you guys need to look ahead there are many interesting fight coming up

nah mean Erik cheated
he had an extra hair on his left nut
which helped him hit harder
Erik is a ****ing cheater.
no to mention his shoe laces
were weighted :D

Cool..glad to hear it! (sigh of relief)
Maybe in the rematch (if there is one) he will keep all that in mind and do much better. That backing straight back is bad..no matter who it is. As for admitting he's hurt..I dont think he's got that in him. Too fiesty for that. With him giving up just doesnt seem like an option.

Yeah, I just think the magnitude of the fight got to him, and when he realized that Morales was also THAT good, worries settled in. as for lifting his hands, Morales used that against him. Mimicing Manny at times to get to his head. At one point, Manny lifted his hands, and Morales came to attack catching him off guard. he doesn't have to admit he was hurt, but he doesn't have to signal he wasn't everytime. I know Manny can play mindgames with that as well but not against EM.

If they wore Manny's gloves, Manny would have most likely been knocked out if the situation played out exactly the same and I don't see why not. I really don't think Morales was hurt by a body shot in beginning, the announcers made it seem that way because they couldn't see Morales face, he was just staying low letting Manny throw shots at him and fake him. It was clear he did that when he exploded back at Manny once Manny was threw with that. Manny had nothing on Morales that night. Every advantage was to Morales, experience, height, arm length(why did it say Manny had the longer reach in tale of tape?), mentality, and seemed hungrier to win as it would really get into Barrera's head with the victory and ruin a big payday for Barrera rematch with Manny.

Yeah, I just think the magnitude of the fight got to him, and when he realized that Morales was also THAT good, worries settled in. as for lifting his hands, Morales used that against him. Mimicing Manny at times to get to his head. At one point, Manny lifted his hands, and Morales came to attack catching him off guard. he doesn't have to admit he was hurt, but he doesn't have to signal he wasn't everytime. I know Manny can play mindgames with that as well but not against EM.

You would think since Roach has been around more than long enough to know just how good Erik is, that there would have been no doubt in Manny's mind what he was up against. Realizing it in the ring is very bad timing.
As for what Erik did..well, experience and ring smarts go a long way dont they. ;) I think he'll do better in a rematch, and even though I like Manny, I still think Erik would win it too..regardless of the gloves. He has so many assets in the ring..and he's damned hard to overcome. If he had taken the third fight with Barrera even half serious, I think that fight would have gone completely different from the way it did.

Here's the right answer to the thread:

Morales is BETTER than Pacquaio

he always ahs been, he always will be....

if they fight 100 times, Morales will have 100 more victories

If they wore Manny's gloves, Manny would have most likely been knocked out if the situation played out exactly the same and I don't see why not. I really don't think Morales was hurt by a body shot in beginning, the announcers made it seem that way because they couldn't see Morales face, he was just staying low letting Manny throw shots at him and fake him. It was clear he did that when he exploded back at Manny once Manny was threw with that. Manny had nothing on Morales that night. Every advantage was to Morales, experience, height, arm length(why did it say Manny had the longer reach in tale of tape?), mentality, and seemed hungrier to win as it would really get into Barrera's head with the victory and ruin a big payday for Barrera rematch with Manny.

Nah he was hurt, he was boxing Manny then when the body shot landed, he froze and folded. Even holding his right rib with his left glove. He didn't throw anything till he got his breath back which was something he had to do unless he wants Manny to unlesh more hell. Once a puncher like Manny smells that your hurt, you're in for a lot more hurting unless you convince him you're not and make him think twice about going all out. But I agree, on that night, Manny had nothing on him.

Here's the right answer to the thread:

Morales is BETTER than Pacquaio

he always ahs been, he always will be....

if they fight 100 times, Morales will have 100 more victories


Well not that much better man. Even though Morales won, Manny was only down by 2 points and fought the 2nd half of the fight with 1 eye. Never know what could have happened if he didn't get cut. Though as far as that goes, I also believe Manny completely underestimated Morales' speed. In every interview prior to the fight when they asked Manny what he thought about Morales, he kept saying, he looks good though he's slowed down a lot and isn't as fast as he used to be. This was most likely taken into thought after the 3rd fight with Barrera where Barrera came in like 10 lbs less than Morales! That could be reason a he was so much faster than Morales and gave the impression he was slower that night which he was. Though then Manny decides to come in at nearly the same weight as Morales, what was he thinking? He gave away his speed advantage completely right there and that turned around and seemed to bite him in the ass with Morales the faster guy that night. :boxing:

You would think since Roach has been around more than long enough to know just how good Erik is, that there would have been no doubt in Manny's mind what he was up against. Realizing it in the ring is very bad timing.
As for what Erik did..well, experience and ring smarts go a long way dont they. ;) I think he'll do better in a rematch, and even though I like Manny, I still think Erik would win it too..regardless of the gloves. He has so many assets in the ring..and he's damned hard to overcome. If he had taken the third fight with Barrera even half serious, I think that fight would have gone completely different from the way it did.

Yeah Roach really bugged me when he said they underestimated Morales a bit. The rematch would be a heck of a lot closer if Manny keeps working on building himself towards a more complete fighter. I've always thought Morales was better than Barrera and in a 4th fight he'd get the win but it would always be close in the cards.

You would think since Roach has been around more than long enough to know just how good Erik is, that there would have been no doubt in Manny's mind what he was up against. Realizing it in the ring is very bad timing.
As for what Erik did..well, experience and ring smarts go a long way dont they. ;) I think he'll do better in a rematch, and even though I like Manny, I still think Erik would win it too..regardless of the gloves. He has so many assets in the ring..and he's damned hard to overcome. If he had taken the third fight with Barrera even half serious, I think that fight would have gone completely different from the way it did.

roach was banking on the erik morales who fought barrerra. the one who stodd still when hit and traded. it's too bad roach didn't bank on the erik morales who could box and used the JMM blue print. barerra beat erik beacuse of his shorter inside punches and lateral movement...pac's got a straight in straight out movement that works well with his stiff left straight but it's bad news if the guy is taller with a great straight of his own. i'm not a pac hater...i'm filipino so i 'can't'...lol...but when pac signed this fight i knew it was bad news. that 'manila ice' was a complete dud...pac needs to go back to school....

roach was banking on the erik morales who fought barrerra. the one who stodd still when hit and traded. it's too bad roach didn't bank on the erik morales who could box and used the JMM blue print. barerra beat erik beacuse of his shorter inside punches and lateral movement...pac's got a straight in straight out movement that works well with his stiff left straight but it's bad news if the guy is taller with a great straight of his own. i'm not a pac hater...i'm filipino so i 'can't'...lol...but when pac signed this fight i knew it was bad news. that 'manila ice' was a complete dud...pac needs to go back to school....

Roach even made public with his gameplan, and of course, Morales camp took that advice.

Damn, gotta go pick my kid up from chess club, but I'll respond to both of you when I get back! :confused:

Well not that much better man. Even though Morales won, Manny was only down by 2 points and fought the 2nd half of the fight with 1 eye. Never know what could have happened if he didn't get cut. Though as far as that goes, I also believe Manny completely underestimated Morales' speed. In every interview prior to the fight when they asked Manny what he thought about Morales, he kept saying, he looks good though he's slowed down a lot and isn't as fast as he used to be. This was most likely taken into thought after the 3rd fight with Barrera where Barrera came in like 10 lbs less than Morales! That could be reason a he was so much faster than Morales and gave the impression he was slower that night which he was. Though then Manny decides to come in at nearly the same weight as Morales, what was he thinking? He gave away his speed advantage completely right there and that turned around and seemed to bite him in the ass with Morales the faster guy that night. :boxing:
Have you ever seen Top Gun? "There's no points for 2nd place"

A loss is a LOSS, no matter how you spell it or say it, Manny lost to Morales because El Terrible is a better prizefighter

Have you ever seen Top Gun? "There's no points for 2nd place"



ahhh the top gun philosophy
Nice
you cant go wring with it

Have you ever seen Top Gun? "There's no points for 2nd place"

A loss is a LOSS, no matter how you spell it or say it, Manny lost to Morales because El Terrible is a better prizefighter

Ok and with dumb philosophy aside, being a fight that close, he's not as good as you make him sound then. If he could put away a handicapped fighter for more than half a fight remaining, then I'd agree with you that he is as good as you make him out.

I disagree.

What about the Tyson vs Golota loss? Tyson lost that fight after a drug test.

Im loosing respect for manny. I heard he does movies, adverts, shows, billiards even bloody comedy. I mean ffs, do that when your retired or it'll really screw up your game. People in phili like the guy cos he's a world class boxer, not cos of his movies and shows. He should stick to what he's best at.

Ok and with dumb philosophy aside, being a fight that close, he's not as good as you make him sound then. If he could put away a handicapped fighter for more than half a fight remaining, then I'd agree with you that he is as good as you make him out.
not as good as I make him sound? All I said was El Terrible is better than PacMan and he always will be, that's not really a stretch or a big bold statement, just the facts ma'am

hi guys
i heard that gloves of manny is the reason for his losing his match with erik morales is that right ?
in your opinion why pacquiao lost ?? :rolleyes: :boxing: :boxing:
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