Okay, I haven't seen enough to bother with a poll, but I just saw Lewis vs. Golota today, and as much as I'm lukewarm to Lewis he was sensational there.

The only bit I didn't like is where he chose to clinch because he didn't want to blast his way out of a corner. Most of the rest of the time he was using superb timing and deft footwork to work his way out of the corner until setting Golota up. Classic.

Okay, I haven't seen enough to bother with a poll, but I just saw Lewis vs. Golota today, and as much as I'm lukewarm to Lewis he was sensational there.

The only bit I didn't like is where he chose to clinch because he didn't want to blast his way out of a corner. Most of the rest of the time he was using superb timing and deft footwork to work his way out of the corner until setting Golota up. Classic.

Yeah, it makes you look great when you get to fight opponents who are doped up on muscle relaxers. Masterclass baby :cool:

lewis golota woulda been a hell of a fight but we all know i hope that golota shouldnt even have been cleared to fight that night.

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lewis golota woulda been a hell of a fight but we all know i hope that golota shouldnt even have been cleared to fight that night.
True or not .... I heard Golota was barfin' the morning of the fight and was carrying a low-grade fever at fight time.

True or not .... I heard Golota was barfin' the morning of the fight and was carrying a low-grade fever at fight time.


really? i havent heard that i wouldnt doubt it though lewis fans will say none of thsi happen and lewis is just that good but for the rest of us we know ^^

Hmm...Lewis was a very good fighter but he was NOT the best heavyweight of the 90's. That honor goes to Evander Holyfield. Lewis gets best heavyweight from 2000-2002 I guess.

Versions of Tyson and Holyfield he foguth were severely aged.

His victories over Tua, good scrap with Vitali, and comebacks vs McCall and Rahman are significant though. Bruno victory also (he did beat Bruno, yes?).

Hmm...Lewis was a very good fighter but he was NOT the best heavyweight of the 90's. That honor goes to Evander Holyfield. Lewis gets best heavyweight from 2000-2002 I guess.


Hmmm...good answer deserves some karma super.

really? i havent heard that i wouldnt doubt it though lewis fans will say none of thsi happen and lewis is just that good but for the rest of us we know ^^ :bsflag:
There were tons of rumours around Golota's poor performance - he was sick, he was doped up on muscle relaxants or anti-depressants, he had a training injury, he had an anxiety attack right before the bout, blah blah blah. (BTW, not unlike the Tyson broken neck alibi :rolleyes: )

Well, whatever, because say what you will, LL looked awesome that night - an overwhelming display of speed, skills and power. It was probably the peak of his career in terms of combined athletic ability and skills (earlier in his career the skills were lacking, and later in his career the athletic ability had eroded). I personally think he would've had his way with any heavyweight of any era that night (or at least given them a lot of trouble). My 2c. :cool:

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Golota being doped on muscle relaxers is not a rumor. Its a proven fact. Golota was awarded millions of dollars in a malpractice lawsuit agains the doctor who injected him with the muscle relaxer before the fight buddy. Golota would have kicked Lewis's ass if it were not for that doctor. Almost all major boxing writers and experts in the world were picking Golota to win and he was the Money favorite in Vegas as well.

I even think Lewis knew that Golota was doped up when the bout started because I have never seen ever in Lewis' career him run across the ring and attack from the opening bell like that.

The Golota fight was really the most important fight of Lewis' career because it got him the contract with HBO and made him recognized as the #1 heavyweight in the world, previously Golota was considered the best in the world. If Golota was not doped up in that fight and went on to win, he would be the legend right now, he would have captured the undisputed championship and made defences, not Lewis. Its a blackmark on Lewis's career that he made his way to the top through such nefarious means.\

This all happened to Golota because he had a small time promoter back then, nobody backing him up and watching his back like Don King, or Dan Goosen, he had a major small time promoter. While Lewis had that piece of **** Bob Arum I believe pulling all the strings for him.

Everybody looks good against opponents who are doped up on Muscle relaxers even you could look good... Masterclass good Baby ;)

Hmmmmm... not so good then.

Lewis taking advantage like he did was all that really could be asked of him. Golata was viewed as the favorite, but only because of Lewis' loss to McCall.

Lewis went after Golata very agressivly and set things up with a piston like jab.

Its unfortunate for Lewis that Golata came in the way he did, but he had some bad luck that way not really finding his time
to shine. Tyson paid him 4 Million not to fight him in 96, and before that Riddick Bowe gave up his title rather than fight him.

Regardless of what was going on with Golata, it was a big win for Lewis, and was really the begining of his stock starting to elevate in the division at the time.

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There were tons of rumours around Golota's poor performance - he was sick, he was doped up on muscle relaxants or anti-depressants, he had a training injury, he had an anxiety attack right before the bout, blah blah blah. (BTW, not unlike the Tyson broken neck alibi :rolleyes: )

Well, whatever, because say what you will, LL looked awesome that night - an overwhelming display of speed, skills and power. It was probably the peak of his career in terms of combined athletic ability and skills (earlier in his career the skills were lacking, and later in his career the athletic ability had eroded). I personally think he would've had his way with any heavyweight of any era that night (or at least given them a lot of trouble). My 2c. :cool:
Then explain to me why there was an out of court settlement with the ******* DR. who wrongly shot Golota up with the muscle relaxer. **** like that does not happen if it were not true. Golota had no business entering the ring that night and when he was attacked by Lewis he was overwhelmed and he was destroyed. I also blame Golota's corner because their job is to look out for their boxer and they did not do anything, that's why Lou Duva and Roger Bloodworth are nothing but a couple of slimey scumbags.

know i cant say golota woulda beat lweis if he wanst drugged up, but there pretty much even, both have soem fo the best heavyweight jabs ive seen. lewis had big power but golota has great chin, golota had very nice power with some quick hands that could ko lewis, lewis has 1 inch height and like i think 5-6 inch reach plus wiehgt advantage, golota was quicker footspeed wise. i guess it woulda come down to weather golota would DQ himself or give up when lewis hit him, or would lewis have a hard time setting up golota cause of his jab and golota moving in and getting a shot at lewis's chin. this fight also happened after golota 2 dq loses to bowe so i dont know how much that took outta him. and did the car accident happen before or after this fight?

guys you have to remember that lewis was only beating the boxers that were put in front of him, it wasn't his fault if golota was stupid enough to take drugs before a fight, the record shows that lewis beat him in a round, and when people 30 years from now look up the history of fights, all they will see is a very easy lennox lewis win.

guys you have to remember that lewis was only beating the boxers that were put in front of him, it wasn't his fault if golota was stupid enough to take drugs before a fight, the record shows that lewis beat him in a round, and when people 30 years from now look up the history of fights, all they will see is a very easy lennox lewis win.

casual boxing fans will liek u maybe

know i cant say golota woulda beat lweis if he wanst drugged up, but there pretty much even, both have soem fo the best heavyweight jabs ive seen. lewis had big power but golota has great chin, golota had very nice power with some quick hands that could ko lewis, lewis has 1 inch height and like i think 5-6 inch reach plus wiehgt advantage, golota was quicker footspeed wise. i guess it woulda come down to weather golota would DQ himself or give up when lewis hit him, or would lewis have a hard time setting up golota cause of his jab and golota moving in and getting a shot at lewis's chin. this fight also happened after golota 2 dq loses to bowe so i dont know how much that took outta him. and did the car accident happen before or after this fight?
If Golota was in the right frame of mind and he fought Lewis the way he fought Bowe and hit Lewis with the same shots that he hit Bowe with, Lewis would have been knocked the **** out because his glass jaw would have been ****ing SHATTERED!!! Bowe had one hell of a chin and would not stay down that's why eventually Golota snapped and was disqualified. If the circumstances were as I described them above in the Lewis fight the fight would not have gone on long enough for Golota to get disqualified. Golota would have been WBC champ.

I've heard Tyson paying Lewis not to fight him... why?

Then explain to me why there was an out of court settlement with the ******* DR. who wrongly shot Golota up with the muscle relaxer. **** like that does not happen if it were not true. Golota had no business entering the ring that night and when he was attacked by Lewis he was overwhelmed and he was destroyed. I also blame Golota's corner because their job is to look out for their boxer and they did not do anything, that's why Lou Duva and Roger Bloodworth are nothing but a couple of slimey scumbags.
Buddy - sounds like you got a 7 year old grudge, and the naivete of 7 year old to boot. ;)

Here's the deal - Golota asked for a painkiller for his knee before the fight (why exactly we'll never know, but this is Andrew Golota we're talking about here :rolleyes: ). Katzman (the physician in question) gives him an injection of lidocaine. Now lidocaine is injected hundreds of times a day to all sorts of athletes and ordinary people without incident. But it is true that if you hit a vein (intravascular injection) in can result in drowsiness.

So Golota goes out there, gets tagged by a big right hand, and KTFO'd. He sues the doctor for $25M on the grounds that the doctor hit a vein with the injection and it made him drowsy. Well, there's no way of proving it one way of the other, so they finally settle out of court for $900k, with the stipulation that the doctor in no way admits to any error/wrongdoing.

So you tell me - who do you believe - a boxer with a history for erratic behavior and meltdowns, or a distinguished sports physician who has probably injected lidocaine 1000 times without ever hitting a vein? I even think my 7 year old would know the answer to that one... :cool:

If Golota was in the right frame of mind and he fought Lewis the way he fought Bowe and hit Lewis with the same shots that he hit Bowe with, Lewis would have been



If if if if if if would have should have could have.

Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?

If if if if if if would have should have could have.

Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds?

LMAO. If Golota was not Golota, then he might have had a chance to beat Lennox.

I think Lennox is one of those boxers that people generally don't view in a moderate way. People either love him, or hate him. You get the two extremes, where people think he was exceptional, or they think he was horribly overrated. It's one of those oddities of professional sports.

I think GasPed pretty much summed up that fight. Lewis was definitely a good heavyweight. I don't know where he fits in the all-time list, but he's definitely better than Golota. I am a Lennox Lewis fan, but he's not my favourite fighter. I still like watching his rematch with Rahman. I wanna see his match with Bowe again. I seem to remember it being pretty one-sided.

When, in the amateurs? Bowe was not the same fighter then. Even Evander said before they both turned pro, he had had his way with Bowe numerous times. As pros however, things didn't happen so easily for Holy...

It's difficult to rate him objectively because of his size, which he was able to make very good use of, sepecially later in his career.

When, in the amateurs? Bowe was not the same fighter then. Even Evander said before they both turned pro, he had had his way with Bowe numerous times. As pros however, things didn't happen so easily for Holy...

Yah, the gold medal fight in 88. I don't doubt that both fighters were quite a bit different then. But I haven't seen it since then, and I think it would be interesting to see.

lewis is classy, intelligent, and strong. he's adaptable and adjusts well to fighters of different styles. his only weakness is maybe carelessness every now and then. it's a shame he's not hyped up so much simply because he is not american.

lewis is classy, intelligent, and strong. he's adaptable and adjusts well to fighters of different styles. his only weakness is maybe carelessness every now and then. it's a shame he's not hyped up so much simply because he is not american.

All non American fighters suffer from not being hyped up? hmm ever here of Arturo Gatti (Canada) Felix Trinidad (Peurto Rico) Julio Caesar Chavez (Mexico) Eric Morales (Mexico) Manny Pacquiao ( Phillipines) Kostantine Tzyu (Russia,Australia) Vitali Klisthko (Ukarine) Wladimir Klisthko (Ukaraine) Roberto Duran (Panama) Alexis Arguello (Nicaragua) Prince Naseem Hamed (United Kingdom ?) Miguel Cotto (Peurto Rico)

Thats a bull**** statement. That only American fighters are hyped up.

Wrong. It has nothing to do with him being British. Any lack of popularity is due to his arrogant personality and for playing it safe against smaller opponents like Holyfield and Mavrovic. Lewis was notorious for putting on boring shows against shorter fighters who couldn't reach him. Even in the Tyson fight he could have knocked Mike out much earlier than he did but he didn't want to take chances.

The guy was good at winning fights but not fans. He wasn't the first fighter to match that description and he won't be the last.

i think it's pretty safe to say that lennox lewis was not a risk taker by nature, most of his fights were calulated, he always belived in the saying ''don't give the other guy chances he dosn't have''. and that's why he was so succesful. some people want to see world war 3 at every fight, but that was never lewis's way

Katzman (the physician in question) injection) in can result in drowsiness.

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That bastard Katzman hit the vein on purpose there is doubt in my mind, and taking a muscle relaxer or pain reliever straight into the vein causes alot more than drowsiness dumbass.

side effects from improper lidocaine dosing

anxiety,nervousness
chest pain, irregular heartbeat
difficulty breathing
dizziness, drowsiness
headache
nausea, vomitting
siezures
trembling shaking
unusual weakness or tiredness


Source: Drug digest

"was Golota not reported to be vomitting and shaking before the fight"? Was Golota not reported to have exhibited nearly all these symptoms?

Katzman (the physician in question) injection) in can result in drowsiness.

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That bastard Katzman hit the vein on purpose there is doubt in my mind, and taking a muscle relaxer or pain reliever straight into the vein causes alot more than drowsiness dumbass.

side effects from improper lidocaine dosing

anxiety,nervousness
chest pain, irregular heartbeat
difficulty breathing
dizziness, drowsiness
headache
nausea, vomitting
siezures
trembling shaking
unusual weakness or tiredness


Source: Drug digest

"was Golota not reported to be vomitting and shaking before the fight"? Was Golota not reported to have exhibited nearly all these symptoms?





yeah that pretty much clears it up then...

Lennox Lewis was very talented

but as Emanuel Steward said

"He needs to be more aggressive."

I know he wasn't always exciting but Lennox rarely gets the credit he deserves. I would anticipate this changing in the future because when you look back on his record it stands up very well.
I don't accept the common criticism that he had bad chin. His KO losses were more due to overconfidence and undertraining than poor punch resistance. His record shows he fought the best punchers of his generation (Ruddock,Golota,Tua,Tyson,Klitschko)and beat them all.
People regularly state that Holyfield was past it by the time Lewis fought him but in reality he was coming in on career best form with 2 wins over Tyson and a revenge win over Moorer.
It is easy to understand why he isn't popular. Arrogant,aloof and an over cautious style won't win over a lot of fans BUT take a look at the money generated and the purses paid to our current top heavy weights. Clearly a lot of people wanted to watch Lennox Lewis.

Lewis did not have a good chin. It wasn't glass but the guy couldn't take a shot well. As for being undertrained, Tony Galento came into the ring in terrible shape and yet had a granite chin. You can either take a good punch or you can't. Your body's recuperative powers are somwhat dependant on your physical condition but no one is going to get me to believe that Lewis got laid out by one punch twice in his career because he was a few pounds overweight. The guy had a faulty chin. Being out of shape allowed McCall and Rahman to land those punches but it did cause his chin to be any worse than usual on those nights. Don't forget that Lewis was rocked several times in fights that he wasn't KO'ed in.

Someone on the forum who had seen the Mavrovic fight said that he had Lewis in trouble at one point. Zeljko was a 214 lber who was not even a good puncher for his size.

Shannon Briggs had him damn near out in the second round.

Grant actually hurt him in the first few seconds of their fight, first with a jab and then with a right hand that caused him to fall back against the ropes and then latch onto Grant for the next few seconds. No one remembers or comments on it but Grant had him stunned.

Like I've said, his chin wasn't glass but it was weaker than average for a heavyweight champion.

I agree with that, as I believe most do... people rarely praise Lewis's chin. Having said that, whatever the truth of the matter - and he did take Tyson's shots reasonably okay, what shots he took off him - Lewis's record will always show he only got KOed twice, not bad for his level of competition. History will blur the finer details.

Does it really matter that he didn't have the best chin if his record shows that he was able to beat every opponent he ever fought while fighting quality opposition and holding title belts? He obviously had the skills to get the job done, even with a not-the-greatest chin. The total package was excellent.

Does it really matter that he didn't have the best chin if his record shows that he was able to beat every opponent he ever fought while fighting quality opposition and holding title belts? He obviously had the skills to get the job done, even with a not-the-greatest chin. The total package was excellent.

I agree,people should focus less on lewis ability to take a punch
and focus more on his ability in not having to take a punch.His
performance against tua was a complete lesson in the fine art,
against one of the most dangerous contenders in years.