View Full Version : Can you name guys who maybe shouldn't have been in the HOF?


dans
12-20-2009, 09:51 PM
I know I'm no expert but when you look at hall of famers, usually they have a few things in common, or at least some of these things. Wins against other HOFers, title reign of at least a couple years, multiple title reigns, great winning percentage, etc.

Three fighters that stood out to me as VERY questionable.

Terry Norris
Edwin Rosario
Saad Muhammed

Norris lost nine fights and was KO'd multiple times. He had one really good stretch after getting KO'd by Jackson. Beat Curry, Leonard (older), Mugabi, and Meldrick Taylor. I don't think he did enough to be a HOFer though.

Rosario was 47-6 and won 3 titles. But his titles reigns were short. He lost the title the next fight every time he won.

Saad lost 16 times and never really beat any other great fighter.

Not to discredit these guys, just an observation.

Bright-Eyes
12-20-2009, 10:41 PM
Matthew Saad Muhammad has that many losses because he fought on far too long.Dwight Muhammad Qawi finished him off and even before then he had taken so much punishment.Before Saad fought Qawi,he had 36 professional fights with 31 victories,three losses and two draws with double victories over Marvin Johnson,Yaqui Lopez and John Conteh.


I was shocked to learn that Sean O'grady was in the hall of fame.I fail to see what he actually accomplished other than having a padded record.

Joey Giardello
12-20-2009, 10:48 PM
I know I'm no expert but when you look at hall of famers, usually they have a few things in common, or at least some of these things. Wins against other HOFers, title reign of at least a couple years, multiple title reigns, great winning percentage, etc.

Three fighters that stood out to me as VERY questionable.

Terry Norris
Edwin Rosario
Saad Muhammed

Norris lost nine fights and was KO'd multiple times. He had one really good stretch after getting KO'd by Jackson. Beat Curry, Leonard (older), Mugabi, and Meldrick Taylor. I don't think he did enough to be a HOFer though.

Rosario was 47-6 and won 3 titles. But his titles reigns were short. He lost the title the next fight every time he won.

Saad lost 16 times and never really beat any other great fighter.

Not to discredit these guys, just an observation.

Sadd, norris and rosario all deserve to been in the ibhf!

- v e t -
12-20-2009, 10:50 PM
i'll tell ya who SHOULD be in the HOF

Buddy freakin McGirt


bull**** that he's not

1SILVA
12-21-2009, 12:48 AM
i know i'm no expert but when you look at hall of famers, usually they have a few things in common, or at least some of these things. Wins against other hofers, title reign of at least a couple years, multiple title reigns, great winning percentage, etc.

Three fighters that stood out to me as very questionable.

Terry norris
edwin rosario
saad muhammed

norris lost nine fights and was ko'd multiple times. He had one really good stretch after getting ko'd by jackson. Beat curry, leonard (older), mugabi, and meldrick taylor. I don't think he did enough to be a hofer though.

Rosario was 47-6 and won 3 titles. But his titles reigns were short. He lost the title the next fight every time he won.

Saad lost 16 times and never really beat any other great fighter.

Not to discredit these guys, just an observation.

barry mcguigan and eddie perkins

Thread Stealer
12-21-2009, 02:09 AM
Jose Suliaman.

Thread Stealer
12-21-2009, 02:17 AM
Matthew Saad Muhammad has that many losses because he fought on far too long.Dwight Muhammad Qawi finished him off and even before then he had taken so much punishment.Before Saad fought Qawi,he had 36 professional fights with 31 victories,three losses and two draws with double victories over Marvin Johnson,Yaqui Lopez and John Conteh.


I agree.

He also came up the hard way, facing other tough fighters in Philly. He fought guys like Yaqui Lopez, Marvin Johnson, and Eddie (Gregory) Mustafa Muhammad before getting a title shot.


I was shocked to learn that Sean O'grady was in the hall of fame.I fail to see what he actually accomplished other than having a padded record.

He's in the World Boxing Hall of Fame, not the International Boxing Hall of Fame in Canastota which I think is the more "official" one.

That video in your avatar is a creepy acid trip or something. I was watching the literal version on youtube and cracking up.

sonnyboyx2
12-21-2009, 04:29 AM
barry mcguigan and eddie perkins

Barry McGuigan should NOT be in the IBHOF

Eddie Perkins was correctly entered into the IBHOF

sonnyboyx2
12-21-2009, 04:31 AM
Mathew Saad Muhammad was one of the greates value-for-money (crowd pleasing) fighters of all time... it would be a travesty if Saad was not in the IBHOF

TheGreatA
12-21-2009, 07:06 AM
Don't mind Terry Norris and Saad Muhammad at all, they belong there. Rosario is a bit questionable but he did win a lightweight title three times although he never actually established himself as the best lightweight.

Barry McGuigan, Jess Willard, but then again it's the hall of fame. McGuigan and Willard were certainly famous.

They've finally inducted Little Red Lopez and Lloyd Marshall so I have few complaints about the IBHOF. In the end it's about recognizing boxers and what they did for the sport. Surely it can be questioned why others are in while fighters who may have been better are left out. Still, I'd rather have the IBHOF than not.

dans
12-21-2009, 09:27 AM
If Saad Muhammed, Rosario, and Terry Norris are all HOFers, I don't see any reason why Miguel Cotto isn't one already. Do you agree?

What did these three above mentioned do that Cotto hasn't done?

Terry Norris is the only one of the 3 with a win over a HOFer (Leonard). Cotto has beaten a sure fire HOFer in Mosley.

Rosario won a LW title 3 times and a JWW title once. Cotto won a JWW title once, and a WW title twice.

Muhammed won a LHW title once and successfully defended it 8 times, Norris successfully defended his JMW title 10 times. Cotto successfully defended his JWW belt 6 times, then moved up to WW and won a belt, defending it 4 times before losing to Margarito.

So Cotto has won 3 world titles in 2 weight divisions, successfully defending his titles a total of 11 times. Only two losses, one against a ATG, and the other against a convicted cheater. And Cotto has a victory against a HOF fighter (Mosley), which only one of the previously mentioned 3 have.

If these 3 are HOFers, so is Cotto.

Clegg
12-21-2009, 09:56 AM
I have always considered it a bit unfair that Terry Norris is in there while Nigel Benn is constantly overlooked.

Benn and Norris have similar resumes (early KO losses, 2 world titles, then three straight defeats once past-prime to end their career) yet Norris got in while Benn isn't even nominated. If anything I feel that Benn has the better wins.

Barry McGuigan got in partly because he has done a lot to help ex-boxers and charities, and because of the impact he had in the UK while he was world champion. Back then there was a lot of troubles in Northern Ireland and the communities were divided along religious/political lines. They still are to an extent, but things have improved a lot since the 1980s. Anyway, McGuigan married a woman who was a different religion to himself, and helped to bring the different communities together. I can understand that a lot of people don't think that stuff should come into consideration when choosing who gets in, but I figured I'd mention it anyway, as it is a factor in why he's in there.

Ziggy Stardust
12-21-2009, 10:16 AM
Unlike the other HOFs, the boxing HOF is all about popularity. It's not really a gage of how good a fighter is.

Poet

dans
12-21-2009, 10:22 AM
Unlike the other HOFs, the boxing HOF is all about popularity. It's not really a gage of how good a fighter is.

Poet

So Cotto will surely be a HOFer, right?

He's very famous and popular and gets mentioned with the other great Puerto Rican fighters.

Ziggy Stardust
12-21-2009, 11:59 AM
So Cotto will surely be a HOFer, right?

He's very famous and popular and gets mentioned with the other great Puerto Rican fighters.

I think he'll almost certainly get in, at least if he keeps his fan base up until his retirement.

Poet