I just saw the full version of Judah vs. Tsyzu for the first time and it left me with this question. Is it a rule in boxing that if you get knocked down and get up, then fall again and get back up the fight is over without a count? If not then Judah has a legitmate beef because he did fall twice however he was up and did look to be able to continue. I think Jay Nady should have waited and asked him if he was good to contiue or gave him a standing eight count. One thing I want to point out is alot of people talk about this fight like Judah got completley destoryed which is not the case he just got hit with a big shot and paniced. I think if Judah fought Tsyzu again Zab would stop him in eight rounds, thats boxing one punch can change everything. Judah was way out of line after the fight when he put his fist on Jay Nady but he was 24 at the time and obviously imature, I don't think he would do that now.


Note: Zab said he would fight Tsyzu again but only at 147

Yeah, I think Nady should have gave him the standing eight count as well. He did fall pretty bad, though. Judah ruined things for himself by trying to get up so quick. He should have gathered himself while on the ground, so he can get back up and fight back strong, because everyone knows that was no flash-knockdown.

Yeah, I think Nady should have gave him the standing eight count as well. He did fall pretty bad, though. Judah ruined things for himself by trying to get up so quick. He should have gathered himself while on the ground, so he can get back up and fight back strong, because everyone knows that was no flash-knockdown.

Hey thats a good point, I never thought of that he should regrouped while the ground. He got up way to fast and then he paniced. I think in the heat of the moment(especially when you young and have never been down)your body tells you to get up right away.

Yeah, I think Nady should have gave him the standing eight count as well. He did fall pretty bad, though. Judah ruined things for himself by trying to get up so quick. He should have gathered himself while on the ground, so he can get back up and fight back strong, because everyone knows that was no flash-knockdown.
Hey Jack you are right, but they fought under unified rules and standing 8 count was not permitted. Also there is no rule that state that if fighter goes down twice from the same punch than the fight should be stopped but there is a rule that referee can stop a fight at any time. Nady was right, Zabdiel, when danced, shown that he had concussion and right after he jumped up and Nady asked him something(you can see it on a tape) he responded with bull**** and Nady just had to stop the fight over the concern of Zab's health.

Hey Jack you are right, but they fought under unified rules and standing 8 count was not permitted. Also there is no rule that state that if fighter goes down twice from the same punch than the fight should be stopped but there is a rule that referee can stop a fight at any time. Nady was right, Zabdiel, when danced, shown that he had concussion and right after he jumped up and Nady asked him something(you can see it on a tape) he responded with bull**** and Nady just had to stop the fight over the concern of Zab's health.

Yeah but you also should remember that it was at the end of the round so he could have had time to regroup. Was it confirmed that had a concussion? I thought he probably was so stunned that he lost his legs momentarily.

Yeah but you also should remember that it was at the end of the round so he could have had time to regroup. Was it confirmed that had a concussion? I thought he probably was so stunned that he lost his legs momentarily.
There is always a concussion when fighter looses his conciousness
and goes down. Wobbly legs is one of the signs. Also when fighter is stunned it is a mild concussion. Thats why there is a 90 day license revoke if a fighter gets ko'ed.

There is always a concussion when fighter looses his conciousness
and goes down. Wobbly legs is one of the signs. Also when fighter is stunned it is a mild concussion. Thats why there is a 90 day license revoke if a fighter gets ko'ed.

Wow I didn't know that thanks

lets just see a rematch at 147 damnit!!

No problem, man. You cool. Nady did a right thing when he stopped that fight. He saved Zab from career threatening beating.(he might have been revitalised and go on in a next round, but if I was a ref i would not take my chances and stop the fight)
But I believe Zab got smarter after this fight and this is one of the reasons he is where he is.

lets just see a rematch at 147 damnit!!

Hell yeah, and I think Zab would fight differently and maybe knock Tyszu out.

lets just see a rematch at 147 damnit!!
I second that. :boxing:

Isn't there a rule that if you fall during a count that you're automatically out of the fight? Judah looked to be pretty seriously messed up by that second punch, and got up WAY too fast. He might have made the count if he'd taken more time to get his legs back. If there isn't a rule, I think the ref made a decent call to stop the fight. If you try to get up and your legs go out from under you like that, your brains are pretty scrambled.

i think it was the right call by NADY but i hate how people say judah was destroyed because he really wasnt he just got caught with a big punch and got up too fast......he didnt even stay on the ground for a second

No doubt Nadey made the right call.

Here's an interview with Nadey:


RM: Getting back to the Judah fight, you showed a lot of self control when he put his hands on you. Did it ever cross your mind to defend yourself, what exactly did you think when he grabbed you?

JN: I could look into his eyes and they were very thick and he wasn’t even looking at me, he couldn’t even see me. I knew he couldn’t see me. He didn’t remember doing it. He didn’t know he had been knocked down. I’ve been a referee for thirty three years. He didn’t know he had been knocked down, he had been hurt, he thought I stopped the fight at the end of the round. He was never a threat to me. And a man in that condition who had been stopped, I didn’t think they needed to do anything too severe to the man. His behavior wasn’t acceptable and they have to do something about it because it isn’t the way officials should be treated. My brother was an NFL official, I’ve been a baseball umpire for damn near thirty years. I’ve been in basketball, baseball and football for a lot of years. My family has been involved in officiating for a long time, something obviously had to be done, but I think Zab Judah, is a great fighter, I just didn’t think he knew what happened, and he was confused and disoriented after he got knocked down.

RM: I was at the fight live myself, it looked like he hit his head on the mat, and jumped up too fast, and that’s why he looked wobbly, don’t you think he should have taken a knee for an 8 count, or would you have stopped the fight in either case?

JN: If he stayed down, I could have counted, but when he fell back down the second time, I knew he had a severe concussion and what we call the “second concussion syndrome” is a serious reality, when damage is done the most, we are trained for that. When we see a concussion, we stop the fight. He knows now. When I talked to him at the hearing in Reno, he told me, he was glad I stopped it, I may have saved him. If they have another fight, he wasn’t exposed as a bad fighter, he has an excuse to go on , if he needs one, but he doesn’t. He is a great fighter, and a great young man. He comes from a good stock, he will get past this.

lets just see a rematch at 147 damnit!!

If there is a rematch it should be at Lt Welterweight because that is what weight the first fight was at. Judah only went to welterweight after loosing to Tzyu. Tzyu is perfect at Jr Welterweight, and Jr welterweight the strongest division in boxing. If Judah looses to De La Hoya at welterweight maybe then he will come back down to Lt welter, but Tzyu might be retired by then.

Damn I just realize that Tzyu was undisputed Lt welterweight champion but he stripped of all his belts except the IBF after fighting Leigha and before Mitchell, must have been from missing mandatories.

If there is a rematch it should be at Lt Welterweight because that is what weight the first fight was at. Judah only went to welterweight after loosing to Tzyu. Tzyu is perfect at Jr Welterweight, and Jr welterweight the strongest division in boxing. If Judah looses to De La Hoya at welterweight maybe then he will come back down to Lt welter, but Tzyu might be retired by then.
I agree with you but Judah holds the undisputed title, at welter and could mean more money. I don`t think a rematch will happen though!

If there is a rematch it should be at Lt Welterweight because that is what weight the first fight was at. Judah only went to welterweight after loosing to Tzyu. Tzyu is perfect at Jr Welterweight, and Jr welterweight the strongest division in boxing. If Judah looses to De La Hoya at welterweight maybe then he will come back down to Lt welter, but Tzyu might be retired by then.


Not necessairly.

You don't think Tszyu would like a crack at the unified Welterweight crown agaisnt a guy he already KO'd?

Those titles are a huge incentive for Tszyu to move up.

I think it would be a much closer fight.
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I agree with you but Judah holds the undisputed title, at welter and could mean more money. I don`t think a rematch will happen though!

Tzyu had the undisputed Lt welterweight title but he vacated all the belts except the IBF to fight Mitchell again. It would be ridiculous also from business standpoint for Tzyu to up to 147 and fight Judah as the challenger considering he already beat Judah. It would be totally unfair because Judah would be guaranteed the majority of the purse being the belt holder. Judah would have to vacate one of the belts and let Tzyu get it for that fight to happen. I cant see any reason why Tzyu should ever agree to fight Judah in a position where he gets less than the majority of the purse.

Plus there is alot of good challengers to be dealt with at in Lt welterweight divison before Tzyu should start thinking about the welterweight division like Mayweather,Cotto,Vivian Harris, Ricky Hatton, Arturo Gatti,Abdulaev and alot of others.

Wow, those were some experienced comments Nady gave. He also paid some gracious respect to Judah. I respect Nady more now than ever.

To top it all off, he's one of those badass Marines too!

The fight your most likely going to see is De La Hoya vs Judah, De La Hoya will win, then I can see Tzyu going up to welterweight to face him and it being fair to accept the minority of the purse, because Tzyu or anybody else for that matter cant get any better fight than fighting De La Hoya. When Judah fights De La Hoya he is going to make a fortune since De La Hoya is the biggest draw in boxing apparently and unless Judah vacates a belt and De La Hoya gets it Judah is guaranteed teh majority of the purse. His promoters really set himself up good.

My view on that tszyu/judah fight was that it went jus as i predicted. U may look at it and say that tszyu landed 1 good shot, but on the contrary, Tszyu was beginning to dictate the pace. Judah had a good first round, which is nothing unheard of for Tszyu opponents (hurtado, leija, mitchell, etc.)...I predicted that tszyu would stun and stop judah early-middle rounds, it went much as i predicted just a tad earlier...Tszyu is/was a seasoned veteran against a brash guy who is gifted, nothing he hasnt seen before...My point is that all thoughts of that being anything lucky is absurd, in 2001 Tszyu woulda beat judah 99 times out of 100, contrast of styles..much like Barkley and Hearns....................As for a rematch, i'd give Tszyu the edge at either 140 or 147 simply becuz judah has shown that he is vulnerable to solid welterweights as he struggled against Pineda (old old man who tito fought over 10 years ago) and against Spinks the first fight...he happened to do good against spinks in the rematch and people think he is a solid welterweight, incorrect...Judah is still the same guy carrying the same weight and i'd pick Tszyu by stoppage mid-late simply becuz judah jus gets lacksadasical in serious situations....bottom line, jus cuz u weigh 200 lbs. ont make u a heavyweight boxer

The fight your most likely going to see is De La Hoya vs Judah, De La Hoya will win, then I can see Tzyu going up to welterweight to face him and it being fair to accept the minority of the purse, because Tzyu or anybody else for that matter cant get any better fight than fighting De La Hoya. When Judah fights De La Hoya he is going to make a fortune since De La Hoya is the biggest draw in boxing apparently and unless Judah vacates a belt and De La Hoya gets it Judah is guaranteed teh majority of the purse. His promoters really set himself up good.

That WOULD be a first! I ain't never seen him get a lesser share of any purse! Somehow, some way he won't against Judah either. If he loses again, maybe but I think he's got enough left to beat nearly anyone below 154 pounds.

There are some beasts down there; Cintron, Margarito, Cotto and some guys who are highly regarded like Spinks, Judah and now Mosley again but all of em risk a loss with ODLH. He's especially dangerous now as he won't accept another loss easily. He knows the differnce between greatness and superstardom as far as his legacy, is at stake.