Assume Bowe fought Tyson instead of Golota in 1996 and Tyson fought Bowe in 1996 instead of Holyfield, what do you think the result would be............

It would no doubt be a great fight with alot of clean very hard punches landed by both fighters.

bowe got hit a lot back then he'd try to fight mike and get knocked out. that's what i see

bowe got hit a lot back then he'd try to fight mike and get knocked out. that's what i see

I tend to agree Bowe's defence was just to poor to deal with Tyson. However Bowe has the edge in the heart department and he would go down fighting, it would be an extremely entertaining bloody fight.

Bowe easy. He was a better inside fighter than Tyson and superb on the outside as well. He would dominate regardless of where the fight went.

If we are talking Tyson from 86 then my money is on Mike to overwhelm Bowe with speed and power.

tyson will drop dead like a pig. he has problems, late in his career, with bigger fighters.

Tyson by TKO 2.

This could go either way, Tyson by early ko or Bowe by late ko. Bowe was the better boxer and also had more heart than Tyson. But Tyson still had his speed at this point, and I feel he could get to Bowe in 96.

Tyson by ko3.

Tyson was still decent at this point. Remember he got outpointed by holyfield who was still perhaps in his prime but it was a close fight. Bowe looked awful in his fight with golota. i say at this point in there careers tyson was the better fighter and would win.

Tyson was still decent at this point. Remember he got outpointed by holyfield who was still perhaps in his prime but it was a close fight. Bowe looked awful in his fight with golota. i say at this point in there careers tyson was the better fighter and would win.


What are you talking about, "Remember he got outpointed by holyfield who was still perhaps in his prime but it was a close fight" ???

Holyfield beat Tyson' ass & stopped him in 11 rds.

'96 Bowe vs. '96 Tyson ?

Tough to figure. As somene else mentioned, Bowe had become easy to hit...& you don't want to give any version of Mike Tyson too many opportunities.
BUT......Tyson was somewhat of a fraud back then. He had a lot of people believing he was still a killer then....when all he was doing was KOing guys who were absolutely petrified of him, & not that good to begin with..

If Bowe muscles Tyson around inside & manages to work his awesome inside uppercut....he'd take Tyson's heart.

Right before Bowe fought Golota, I'd have made Bowe the favorite.
I'll stick with that now.

this is a tough pick becuase both guys are loads of lazy crap and I can't remember which year is which with these losers. Prime Bowe had the style to beat Tyson post Jail term.

If going prime vs prime, Tyson wins by Ko

If Prime Bowe vs Tyson 96, I think Bowe wins by late ko

this is a tough pick becuase both guys are loads of lazy crap and I can't remember which year is which with these losers. Prime Bowe had the style to beat Tyson post Jail term.

If going prime vs prime, Tyson wins by Ko

If Prime Bowe vs Tyson 96, I think Bowe wins by late ko

No, its Bowe 1996 vs Tyson 1996, Alot of people say Bowe was not in prime in 1996 because Golota beat the shit out of him, but that fight was only like 6 monthes after Bowe KO'd Holyfield in 8. Alot of people say Bowe was no good by 1996 to downgrade Golota's accomplishment in beating the shit out of him. But this is Riddick Bowe we are talking about fighting Tyson the fight after he KO'd Holyfield in 8

the title of the thread is assuming Bowe fought Tyson instead of Golota in 1996

Golota was a bad style matchup for Bowe, Because Golota had a better jab, was a rugged fighter, had more pysical strenght than Bowe, and he was trained by Lou Duva who was also the trainer of Evander Holyfield and kind of expert on how to beat Bowe.

No, its Bowe 1996 vs Tyson 1996, Alot of people say Bowe was not in prime in 1996 because Golota beat the shit out of him, but that fight was only like 6 monthes after Bowe KO'd Holyfield in 8. Alot of people say Bowe was no good by 1996 to downgrade Golota's accomplishment in beating the shit out of him. But this is Riddick Bowe we are talking about fighting Tyson the fight after he KO'd Holyfield in 8

the title of the thread is assuming Bowe fought Tyson instead of Golota in 1996

Golota was a bad style matchup for Bowe, Because Golota had a better jab, was a rugged fighter, had more pysical strenght than Bowe, and he was trained by Lou Duva who was also the trainer of Evander Holyfield and kind of expert on how to beat Bowe.

if you watch the third Bowe Holy fight when Bowe won by ko, Bowe was very out of shape and Holyfield had medical conditions. That Bowe was not prime. Prime Bowe was the first Holyfield fight. I don't care enough about Golata to not give him credit where its due. The Bowe he beat was a fat out of shape one. Golata has all the talent in the world. Hopefully he can finally put it together. The division could use it.

I guess if I answer the question directly, 96 v 96...I guess the guy with the most heart wins. In 1996, niether had much.

tyson tko 3 over bowe, after multiple knockdowns

if you watch the third Bowe Holy fight when Bowe won by ko, Bowe was very out of shape and Holyfield had medical conditions. That Bowe was not prime. Prime Bowe was the first Holyfield fight. I don't care enough about Golata to not give him credit where its due. The Bowe he beat was a fat out of shape one. Golata has all the talent in the world. Hopefully he can finally put it together. The division could use it.

I guess if I answer the question directly, 96 v 96...I guess the guy with the most heart wins. In 1996, niether had much.


Bowe was fat and out of shape in the 2nd Golota fight? He weighed in at 235 pounds, that is as good of condition as Bowe ever got himself into. In the first fight Bowe was slightly heavy but not by that much.

Bowe was fat and out of shape in the 2nd Golota fight? He weighed in at 235 pounds, that is as good of condition as Bowe ever got himself into. In the first fight Bowe was slightly heavy but not by that much.


I think Bowe is worthless, so I really don't feel like arguing about it, but the Bowe that fought Golata IMO was not Prime Bowe. He didn't fight hard and was not in shape. Of course I could be wrong.

He was prime first Holy and his first couple defenses. He lost his drive quickly. Remember the second Holy fight he was grossly out of shape. He might have brought his weight down for Golata, but when your weight fluxuates so much..it catches up to you.

I think Bowe is worthless, so I really don't feel like arguing about it, but the Bowe that fought Golata IMO was not Prime Bowe. He didn't fight hard and was not in shape. Of course I could be wrong.

He was prime first Holy and his first couple defenses. He lost his drive quickly. Remember the second Holy fight he was grossly out of shape. He might have brought his weight down for Golata, but when your weight fluxuates so much..it catches up to you.

I cant belive you just said Bowe did not fight hard Against Golota. I seriously cannot believe you said that. I dont even know if you have actually seen Bowe Golota II to make that statement. He was beaten into braindamage and retirement but he hung in there, it was actually a very noble performance. Golota vs Bowe II is one of the most vicious beetings in heavyweight history and Bowe hung in. He could not have fought any harder than he did.

I cant belive you just said Bowe did not fight hard Against Golota. I seriously cannot believe you said that. I dont even know if you have actually seen Bowe Golota II to make that statement. He was beaten into braindamage and retirement but he hung in there, it was actually a very noble performance. Golota vs Bowe II is one of the most vicious beetings in heavyweight history and Bowe hung in. He could not have fought any harder than he did.

I have seen the fight plenty of times. There is more to "trying " than being in the ring. Preperation and conditioning helps. I understand that you are a big Golata fan and I respect that, but I call them as I see them.

I have seen the fight plenty of times. There is more to "trying " than being in the ring. Preperation and conditioning helps. I understand that you are a big Golata fan and I respect that, but I call them as I see them.

Bowe fought harder against Golota in Bowe Golota II than any fight in his entire career, and he trained harder than he ever did in his entire career. 235 pounds....Riddick Bowe!

Bowe fought harder against Golota in Bowe Golota II than any fight in his entire career, and he trained harder than he ever did in his entire career. 235 pounds....Riddick Bowe!

remember the whole weight fluxuation comment? Ali was 220 against Holmes..was he "in shape"? The actual weight doesn't always tell the story. I am going to look at the fight again. Maybe I'm mixing it up with something else. If i watch it again and realize I'm mistaken, I'll be glad to admit it.

remember the whole weight fluxuation comment? Ali was 220 against Holmes..was he "in shape"? The actual weight doesn't always tell the story. I am going to look at the fight again. Maybe I'm mixing it up with something else. If i watch it again and realize I'm mistaken, I'll be glad to admit it.

Bowe trained harder than for the 2nd Golota fight than he did for any fight in his whole pro career. Nothing you can say can diminish that. Bowe trained his best fought his hardest and that is why he was able to hang until round 9. He should have just stayed down when Golota put him down in the 5th then Maybe he would not have gotten braindamaged and had to retire, but he had too much pride for his own good to stay down.

Bowe trained harder than for the 2nd Golota fight than he did for any fight in his whole pro career. Nothing you can say can diminish that.

in your mind anyway.

:rolleyes:

Bowe was spent in '96, Tyson would have knocked him out in the fifth round. Prime vs. Prime? Interesting, Bowe ranks pretty high on my all-time list just because he matches up so well with so many greats. Prime Tyson vs. Prime Bowe, Tyson by decision after being the more aggressive fighter in a back and forth war.

in your mind anyway.

:rolleyes:


If you want to deny that Bowe did not train harder for the 2nd Golota fight than he ever did in his whole career you are welcome too. But it is a proven fact, and it does nothing to forward your credibility to try to deny proven facts.

Bowe was spent in '96, Tyson would have knocked him out in the fifth round. Prime vs. Prime? Interesting, Bowe ranks pretty high on my all-time list just because he matches up so well with so many greats. Prime Tyson vs. Prime Bowe, Tyson by decision after being the more aggressive fighter in a back and forth war.


Bowe was spent by 96 but he was able to knock Holyfield out in in december of 1995. Amazing he went from prime to spent in 6 monthes. Phenonemal really. :rolleyes:

If you want to deny that Bowe did not train harder for the 2nd Golota fight than he ever did in his whole career you are welcome too. But it is a proven fact, and it does nothing to forward your credibility to try to deny proven facts.
i don't think there's any doubt in most peoples minds that the riddick bowe of 1992 was the best version, and that any version after that was worse, by 1996 he was already faded, theres no question about that

i don't think there's any doubt in most peoples minds that the riddick bowe of 1992 was the best version, and that any version after that was worse, by 1996 he was already faded, theres no question about that

Was Bowe able to stop Holyfield in 1992? Answer no

was Bowe able to stop HOlyfield in Decembre 1995? Answer Yes

How old was Bowe in 1996? Answer 28

What a phenonemna that Bowe went from being at the highest point of his career to a shot fighter in a matter of 6 months.

If you want to deny that Bowe did not train harder for the 2nd Golota fight than he ever did in his whole career you are welcome too. But it is a proven fact, and it does nothing to forward your credibility to try to deny proven facts.

my credibility is fine junior..don't worry

Was Bowe able to stop Holyfield in 1992? Answer no

was Bowe able to stop HOlyfield in Decembre 1995? Answer Yes

How old was Bowe in 1996? Answer 28
holyfield was in no condition to fight in the 1995 fight, he had heart trouble and was not the same as he was in the previous fights, and with regards to bowe being 28, age means nothing, as we all know mike tyson was at his best when he was very young, just as lennox lewis was at his best when he was much older, the riddick bowe that beat holyfield in 1992 is regarded as the best version by almost everbody who has seen the fights, and who knows anything

holyfield was in no condition to fight in the 1995 fight, he had heart trouble and was not the same as he was in the previous fights, and with regards to bowe being 28, age means nothing, as we all know mike tyson was at his best when he was very young, just as lennox lewis was at his best when he was much older, the riddick bowe that beat holyfield in 1992 is regarded as the best version by almost everbody who has seen the fights, and who knows anything

Ok Holyfield was in no conidition to fight in December 1995. But he was in good enough condition to stop Iron Mike Tyson less than a year later in devastating, dismantling fashion. Again yet another phenomena :rolleyes:

Ok Holyfield was in no conidition to fight in December 1995. But he was in good enough condition to stop Iron Mike Tyson less than a year later in devastating, dismantling fashion. Again another phenomena :rolleyes:
okay so now your admitting that you were wrong and that holyfield was in fact, not anywhere near his best and in no condtion to fight? maybe now you realise how silly some of your previous statments where then

okay so now your admitting that you were wrong and that holyfield was in fact, not anywhere near his best and in no condtion to fight? maybe now you realise how silly some of your previous statments where then

I was not admitting anything I was mocking your previous statement. it is just unfortunate you lack the wit to detect the thickly layed on sarcasm. Or you maybe you did dectect ut and just pretend not to. One or the other.

I was not admitting anything I was mocking your previous statement. it is just unfortunate you lack the wit to detect the thickly layed on sarcasm. Or you maybe you did dectect ut and just pretend not to. One or the other.
okay so your saying holyfield didn't have heart problems, but in fact it was all just a fabrication of the truth? i think it was quite clear to anyone with two brain cells that holyfield was in no condition to fight, but hey just you go on living in your own little world.

OK Holyfield did have heart problems. It did cure Miraculously. In the name of the Father, Son, and Holyspirt. Evander Holyfield's heart condition miraculously went away. And Holyfield whooped Tyson's ass when he was 7-1 underdog one of my favorite fights in history. I predicted the real deal to win and everybody I know just slagged me off saying Tyson would destroy the "blown up cruiserweight" Evander Holyfield. I remember that fight well, one of the best fights ever.

OK Holyfield did have heart problems. It did cure Miraculously. In the name of the Father, Son, and Holyspirt. Evander Holyfield's heart condition miraculously went away.
well atually things can go away, just like people with cancer can recover and go on to make a full recovery, i don't suppose you've ever heard of a guy called lance armstrong have you? :rolleyes: holyfield was CLEARLY suffering in the ring, george foreman even comented that he was afraid of him coming out in a pine box, or words to that effect. this is my last post on this thread, some of your comments are just plain idiotic, and nonsensical, just like the time you said golota had one of the greatest chins, just nonsence

Holyfield's heart condition did go away miracululously. He had a hole in his heart and all of a sudden it went away. Cancer is another unrelated issue but sometimes diseases are miraculously cured contrary to popular worldly belief.

And Golota does have a great chin. Name one occasion when Golota was knocked down and out besides against Lewis when he was doped on Lidocaine and awarded 950k in damages.

Side effects of improper Lidocaine dosing into the vein

swelling in mouth or throat
anxiety nervousness
chestpain, irregular heartbeat
difficulty breathing, wheezing
dizziness, drowsiness
headache
nausea, vomitting
siezures, convulsing
trembling, shaking
unusual weakness, tiredness

source: Drug Digest

Any objecitve non bias boxing fan knows that Golota would have most likely KO'd lewis if he were not given that injection of Lidocaine into the blood stream. That was the biggest of fight of both fighters career because HBO promised the winner a 25 Million dollar contract, and Golota got the big screwjob, just like against Ruiz and Byrd, join the Andrew Golota fan club today, Golota haters are true assholes.

McKay....

You're a good poster....& you know boxing.
But, this is a very lame attempt to suck off your boy Andy G's knob, in a roundabout way.

You want to draw people into a debate about Bowe's '96 status as a way to debate Golota's '96 status.

Will you create a thread about how underrated the '95 Samson P'Ouha was, also ?

Why so obsessed with Golota ?
He's brought more negative attention to the sport than just aboout fighter out there.
He's very talented.....but that's what makes him worse....he's a terrible underacheiver. A mental case, too.

Tyson would have chased a screaming Bowe across the ring as he looked for Fan Man to swoop in and save his ass.

Tons of talent ... not quite as much heart.(see LL v Bowe circa Olympics)

Tyson would have chased a screaming Bowe across the ring as he looked for Fan Man to swoop in and save his ass.

Tons of talent ... not quite as much heart.(see LL v Bowe circa Olympics)


George Foreman "Riddick Bowe is possibly the bravest fighter I have ever seen"

Jim Lampley "Why do you say that George"?

George Foreman "You knock him down, and he just seems to forgot all about it."

Bowe would KO Tyson into the later part of the fight, we all know how Tyson is when it comes to larger fighters and back in 96 Bowe was up to 250lbs at 6'5", 30lbs more and 6 inches taller than Tyson at the time. He had great heart and a pretty good chin considering he only has 1 loss in his career it doesnt matter how good or bad his defense was. Bowe KO in 7

Tyson by TKO 2.
Iron Mike Tyson 1996 :boxing: