View Full Version : Tito's handwraps.. how much does it hurt his legacy?


Sugarr
12-16-2009, 12:44 PM
How much do the wrongly wrapped hands hurt his legacy?

Keep in mind, for those who don't know what I'm talking about, his trainer/father was caught wrapping his hands in an illegal way (at least in New York) that gave him the ability to punch harder.

1SILVA
12-16-2009, 01:45 PM
How much do the wrongly wrapped hands hurt his legacy?

Keep in mind, for those who don't know what I'm talking about, his trainer/father was caught wrapping his hands in an illegal way (at least in New York) that gave him the ability to punch harder.

No, he will be a HOF'er, period.

fdotorres
12-16-2009, 02:05 PM
How much do the wrongly wrapped hands hurt his legacy?

Keep in mind, for those who don't know what I'm talking about, his trainer/father was caught wrapping his hands in an illegal way (at least in New York) that gave him the ability to punch harder.

brother nazim talked about that about 3 months ago and the "harder punches" part isn't true at all

they were against the rules in NY, but try to be objective and well informed when you accuse people of cheating

Sugarr
12-16-2009, 02:28 PM
brother nazim talked about that about 3 months ago and the "harder punches" part isn't true at all

they were against the rules in NY, but try to be objective and well informed when you accuse people of cheating

Thanks, but I actually read up on this stuff and don't make up things.. like you just did.

In an interview transcript that I read, Nazim said that Trinidad's hands felt as hard as rock.

Also, it does give him a harder punch. And by harder punch, I'm taking about power. Before his fight with Hopkins started, the Trinidad team were told that his hands needed to be re-wrapped. They made such a big commotion about it, when it really shouldn't have been a big deal.. unless there was something to hide. They even threatened to call the fight off because of it.

Eventually, they agreed and his hands were re-wrapped properly. What happened? It took away all his power and he couldn't even hurt Hopkins with any of his left hooks.

Obama
12-16-2009, 08:07 PM
Thanks, but I actually read up on this stuff and don't make up things.. like you just did.

In an interview transcript that I read, Nazim said that Trinidad's hands felt as hard as rock.

Also, it does give him a harder punch. And by harder punch, I'm taking about power. Before his fight with Hopkins started, the Trinidad team were told that his hands needed to be re-wrapped. They made such a big commotion about it, when it really shouldn't have been a big deal.. unless there was something to hide. They even threatened to call the fight off because of it.

Eventually, they agreed and his hands were re-wrapped properly. What happened? It took away all his power and he couldn't even hurt Hopkins with any of his left hooks.

I doubt he would have hurt him with the wraps. Hopkins wasn't there to be hit, and his jaw is pretty good too. Also, he's the bigger man.

I think Tito's low blows and early 1st retirement hurt his legacy more than anything. Forget the wraps.

fdotorres
12-16-2009, 08:18 PM
Thanks, but I actually read up on this stuff and don't make up things.. like you just did.

In an interview transcript that I read, Nazim said that Trinidad's hands felt as hard as rock.

Also, it does give him a harder punch. And by harder punch, I'm taking about power. Before his fight with Hopkins started, the Trinidad team were told that his hands needed to be re-wrapped. They made such a big commotion about it, when it really shouldn't have been a big deal.. unless there was something to hide. They even threatened to call the fight off because of it.

Eventually, they agreed and his hands were re-wrapped properly. What happened? It took away all his power and he couldn't even hurt Hopkins with any of his left hooks.

nazim already said that his hands had extra wrapping and tape, not any hard substance. he said that they were legal anywhere except 2 places (NY being one of those 2)

so because he couldn't hurt hopkins, he lost power? have you seen anyone hurt hopkins?

you're basing your posts on assumptions, i'm basing it on nazim's latest interview in ring mag. go figure who's making **** up between you and me

Joey Giardello
12-16-2009, 08:47 PM
am a tito fan but it hurt his legacy a little bit

Sugarr
12-16-2009, 08:59 PM
nazim already said that his hands had extra wrapping and tape, not any hard substance. he said that they were legal anywhere except 2 places (NY being one of those 2)

I know.. what's your point? The point I'm trying to make is that it gave him a lot more power and the question is whether or not that hurts his legacy.

so because he couldn't hurt hopkins, he lost power? have you seen anyone hurt hopkins?

He was hurt and knocked down twice by Segundo Mercado, in their first fight. Trinidad is a lot better than Mercado.. right?

you're basing your posts on assumptions, i'm basing it on nazim's latest interview in ring mag. go figure who's making **** up between you and me

What are the assumptions I made? I've only given facts.

Dondi33O
12-16-2009, 09:01 PM
How much do the wrongly wrapped hands hurt his legacy?

Keep in mind, for those who don't know what I'm talking about, his trainer/father was caught wrapping his hands in an illegal way (at least in New York) that gave him the ability to punch harder.
I think you answered your own question. If you feel it necessary to "remind" a boxing fan then it obviously was not that great of a deal. Also Extra Gauze does not make a fighter "punch harder", your strength is your strength. It will do damage and most definitely break your face down but we all seen Tito had One punch power without a doubt.
Also his first loss was to a living legend, a defensive specialist, at a heavier weight.
His legacy is about as tainted as Hoyas when he was ordered to re-wrap.

Marcov
12-16-2009, 09:07 PM
He was hurt and knocked down twice by Segundo Mercado, in their first fight. Trinidad is a lot better than Mercado.. right?


You are right but I must point out that the first fight was on Mercado's homeland of Ecuador at a title bout record high elevation. All the fighters that night were sluggish. On the undercard fighters were having trouble even breathing. In the co-feature Michael Nunn and Frankie Liles struggled heavily and it showed.

Sugarr
12-16-2009, 09:08 PM
I think you answered your own question. If you feel it necessary to "remind" a boxing fan then it obviously was not that great of a deal. Also Extra Gauze does not make a fighter "punch harder", your strength is your strength. It will do damage and most definitely break your face down but we all seen Tito had One punch power without a doubt.
Also his first loss was to a living legend, a defensive specialist, at a heavier weight.
His legacy is about as tainted as Hoyas when he was ordered to re-wrap.

It wasn't just extra gauze. It was tape first, then gauze, then tape, then gauze, and so on. You're not allowed to put tape directly on the skin, BTW. That gave him more power. I'm not a boxing trainer so I won't get into the technicalities of it, but it did. So obviously it improved his punching ability.

Dondi33O
12-16-2009, 09:10 PM
It wasn't just extra gauze. It was tape first, then gauze, then tape, then gauze, and so on. You're not allowed to put tape directly on the skin, BTW. That gave him more power. I'm not a boxing trainer so I won't get into the technicalities of it, but it did. So obviously it improved his punching ability.

Explain to me how any inanimate increases power.

120
12-16-2009, 09:14 PM
please, eat up
http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://guadalupeoriginalfoods.com/New-Images/Sausage.jpg&usg=AFQjCNHx8-nP-7HHd-iscfLfs6CKzVeRuA

Sugarr
12-16-2009, 09:19 PM
Explain to me how any inanimate increases power.
It wasn't just extra gauze. It was tape first, then gauze, then tape, then gauze, and so on. You're not allowed to put tape directly on the skin, BTW. That gave him more power. I'm not a boxing trainer so I won't get into the technicalities of it, but it did. So obviously it improved his punching ability.

Instead of me going into it, why don't we get the opinion of someone else? Say.. Trinidad's trainer/father?

Don Felix was asked, "Do you think that the Hopkins camp did it (made them rewrap Tito's hand) to get to you psychologically?" and he answered, "Well, it got to us a little because, since I couldn’t place the tape that I usually place on Tito’s hand... I had to add some more gauze to make a type of pillow... This tends to take away some of the power in the punch."

The part that's in red is him explaining how he wrapped the hand normally. He wasn't used to that.

Here's another interesting piece of an article I found:

Tito was made to remove his glove and the prior wrapping in front of Hopkins representative Naazim Richardson who noticed that the wrap looked very thick and when he felt it he says it was as hard as a rock. All the sudden it became very clear why they had tried to get away with wrapping the left hand without anyone from the Hopkins camp watching and also why they didn't want to remove it and rewrap the hand.


Don Felix began to rewrap the hand again, but Richardson noticed that Don Felix was putting layers of tape and then gauze, tape and then gauze, tape and then gauze which is not in accordance with NYSAC rules. The rules stipulate tape cannot be applied directly over the knuckles, and that repeating the process several times (is not permitted).

In an interview with Bernard Fernandez of Philly.com, Hopkins said, "If you put on tape, then gauze, then tape, then gauze, it's like a [plaster] cast. It's like being hit with a baseball bat. I'm giving out some secrets here, but you can dip your hands in ice water and that tape will, like, marinate and become harder. But it's only cheating if you get caught.

Dondi33O
12-16-2009, 09:23 PM
Instead of me going into it, why don't we get the opinion of someone else? Say.. Trinidad's trainer/father?



The part that's in red is him explaining how he wrapped the hand normally. He wasn't used to that.

Here's another interesting piece of an article I found:

Ok then ....No it will not affect Trinidad's Legacy.

fdotorres
12-16-2009, 11:24 PM
I know.. what's your point? The point I'm trying to make is that it gave him a lot more power and the question is whether or not that hurts his legacy.

He was hurt and knocked down twice by Segundo Mercado, in their first fight. Trinidad is a lot better than Mercado.. right?

What are the assumptions I made? I've only given facts.

saying that he couldn't hurt hopkins because he didn't have extra tape and cotton in his hands is a big assumption. those aren't facts, and pardon me, but you're a huge moron if you don't know the difference between a fact and what you're saying

tito is better than mercado because of his resume and achievements, not because of what happened to each guy in their match against hopkins. santos was able to hurt in the 1st round margarito. he even beat him. that doesn't make him a better fighter than cotto, whom was unable to hurt and beat margarito

let me know when you decide to stop using half assed "logic". if you just can't help it, then it's ok man, but i don't plan to lower my IQ any longer by reading and replying to the stupid ASSUMPTIONS that you're posting in this failure of a thread

fdotorres
12-16-2009, 11:30 PM
Instead of me going into it, why don't we get the opinion of someone else? Say.. Trinidad's trainer/father?



The part that's in red is him explaining how he wrapped the hand normally. He wasn't used to that.

Here's another interesting piece of an article I found:

you forgot to add this part:

To me, Trindad's situation was much, much different than Margarito's. What Trindad did was actually legal in some places. It just wasn't legal in New York. I had the rulebook with me right there in my hand.

The Ring: How was Trinidad different than Margarito?

NR: Trinidad was an abrasion against the rules. Margarito downright had a weapon. There is a difference when you say you're playing chess and have your men lined up differently, as opposed to having extra men on the board. Margarito tried to bring extra men. He had a knuckle pad. Margarito had a strip over the back of his hand, around his thumb and wrist. They told me it was because of a previous injury was why they wrapped it that way. One look and you could tell it wasn't right.

pactard99
12-16-2009, 11:38 PM
It did ruin Tito's legacy. see, Tito, Margarito, and Resto are the three stooges

fdotorres
12-16-2009, 11:56 PM
It did ruin Tito's legacy. see, Tito, Margarito, and Resto are the three stooges

resto had plaster and removed padding

margarito has plaster pads

trinidad had tape and cotton

EDIT: oh wait... i get it. sorry, i should've looked at your username before replying :rofl:

gibo
12-17-2009, 02:45 AM
ANSWER: NO, It won't hurt his legacy!!!!

them_apples
12-17-2009, 03:15 AM
How much do the wrongly wrapped hands hurt his legacy?

Keep in mind, for those who don't know what I'm talking about, his trainer/father was caught wrapping his hands in an illegal way (at least in New York) that gave him the ability to punch harder.

it wasn't anything of significant. It was Layers of tape, mostly used to protect his hand and give him more security. This wasn't plaster.

ultra
12-17-2009, 03:22 AM
since u jokers know so much about wraps,why not wrap yourselves around a brain and maybe learn that a mind is a terrible thing to waste.you guys know as much about boxing as obama knows about being president

Portman
12-17-2009, 05:30 AM
Wow, offending an entire forum and the president of USA.. do you have some sort of see how many people I can piss off before 2010-goal?

I don't think it will affect his legacy to be honest, it's a minor thing and I bet you that he's not the only one using it, but the only one who got caught doing it..

pelonxsoldier28
12-17-2009, 10:04 AM
damnnnnn, you guys know jack**** about hand wraps, any of you ever been a fighter? when you wrap your hands you have to put gauze on first, this is to make your there are no tape on skin. if a fighter tapes his hands without the guaze, meaning useing tape on the skin it's almost the same as plaster and feels like you've been hit by a brick. this is against all sanctioning bodies rules. before you guys start stateing facts that are only hearsay, actually ask a boxer/trainer. in the case with trinidad, his father would wrap with only tape on his hands, and has been caught several times doing this. his legacy imo is crap.

bklynboy
12-17-2009, 10:11 AM
Thanks, but I actually read up on this stuff and don't make up things.. like you just did.

In an interview transcript that I read, Nazim said that Trinidad's hands felt as hard as rock.

Also, it does give him a harder punch. And by harder punch, I'm taking about power. Before his fight with Hopkins started, the Trinidad team were told that his hands needed to be re-wrapped. They made such a big commotion about it, when it really shouldn't have been a big deal.. unless there was something to hide. They even threatened to call the fight off because of it.

Eventually, they agreed and his hands were re-wrapped properly. What happened? It took away all his power and he couldn't even hurt Hopkins with any of his left hooks.

I don't know. My understanding is that the wraps protect the hand, not the head that's being punched. The impact is not lessened (by any relevant amount) by handwrap or tape.

bklynboy
12-17-2009, 10:18 AM
It wasn't just extra gauze. It was tape first, then gauze, then tape, then gauze, and so on. You're not allowed to put tape directly on the skin, BTW. That gave him more power. I'm not a boxing trainer so I won't get into the technicalities of it, but it did. So obviously it improved his punching ability.

Tape does not equal power. Punch a heavy bag, now tape your hand and hit the bag again. Do you have more power? No. The tape protects your hand, your knuckles, your little fingers. The only way that it can improve your power -- if you want to call it that -- is that the tape helps you to keep your fingers together; to keep your wrist straight -- thus delivering your punch (power) cleaner.

A professional boxer knows how to throw a punch correctly (duh!), the tape may help him keep his form (hence power) in the later rounds as he starts getting fatigued. Outside of that tape and gauze does not give you more power.

fdotorres
12-17-2009, 01:07 PM
damnnnnn, you guys know jack**** about hand wraps, any of you ever been a fighter? when you wrap your hands you have to put gauze on first, this is to make your there are no tape on skin. if a fighter tapes his hands without the guaze, meaning useing tape on the skin it's almost the same as plaster and feels like you've been hit by a brick. this is against all sanctioning bodies rules. before you guys start stateing facts that are only hearsay, actually ask a boxer/trainer. in the case with trinidad, his father would wrap with only tape on his hands, and has been caught several times doing this. his legacy imo is crap.

you know jack **** about boxing then, since what trinidad SR. did was legal everywhere except 2 places

thanks for the laugh though

EDIT: just noticed that you're mexican... you might wanna look at antonio margarito before talking about **** like this :rofl:

Jawz
12-17-2009, 02:15 PM
Doesn't hurt his legacy.

pelonxsoldier28
12-19-2009, 11:03 PM
you know jack **** about boxing then, since what trinidad SR. did was legal everywhere except 2 places

thanks for the laugh though

EDIT: just noticed that you're mexican... you might wanna look at antonio margarito before talking about **** like this :rofl:

WHAT??????? you trully know nothing of the sport. i've been fighting for over 20 yrs. tape on the skin is illegal everywhere. what does margarito have to do with anything i stated? i've always been against margarito for cheating. rofl, get your facts straight, and mabe go to a gym and find out

fdotorres
12-26-2009, 05:05 PM
WHAT??????? you trully know nothing of the sport. i've been fighting for over 20 yrs. tape on the skin is illegal everywhere. what does margarito have to do with anything i stated? i've always been against margarito for cheating. rofl, get your facts straight, and mabe go to a gym and find out

you've been fighting for 20 years? no wonder you're so stupid, you must've taken too many shots to have a functional brain

nazim richardson THE ONE WHO MADE TITO CHANGE THE WRAPS, said that trinidad's wraps were legal in most places, but not in NY and another state (can't remember which one

maybe you know more than nazim? :rofl:

Del Coqui
12-26-2009, 07:33 PM
damnnnnn, you guys know jack**** about hand wraps, any of you ever been a fighter? when you wrap your hands you have to put gauze on first, this is to make your there are no tape on skin. if a fighter tapes his hands without the guaze, meaning useing tape on the skin it's almost the same as plaster and feels like you've been hit by a brick. this is against all sanctioning bodies rules. before you guys start stateing facts that are only hearsay, actually ask a boxer/trainer. in the case with trinidad, his father would wrap with only tape on his hands, and has been caught several times doing this. his legacy imo is crap.

No one ever said Tito used tape over his skin, and if anyone actually said it he's a moron. Allegations were that Tito used two layers of tape/gauze, not legal in NY state, legal everywhere else. All a trick to get in Tito's head according to Naz. You think Papa knows what's legal and what's not in NY? Even the inspector didn't say anything, it was all part of the game.

Third Degree MM
12-27-2009, 03:44 AM
No one ever said Tito used tape over his skin, and if anyone actually said it he's a moron. Allegations were that Tito used two layers of tape/gauze, not legal in NY state, legal everywhere else. All a trick to get in Tito's head according to Naz. You think Papa knows what's legal and what's not in NY? Even the inspector didn't say anything, it was all part of the game.

:wave:

are those Brazilian *****es?