Ok, enough Morales talk, he's old news :D Let's begin talks about Marco-Manny II. What do you think will happen this time around? Do you think Manny is still too fast and powerful for him, or will he be able to do something to at least win 1 round OFFICIALLY(no tripping and count as kd)? Barrera looked great for Morales, though maybe Morales isn't that great after all. Only Barrera is his top opposition since those 2 hate each other so much, it brings out the best in both. What do you think? I still say Manny had done so much preparation in the first fight that he practically feels like he trained Barrera himself. I think Manny has Barrera fully figured out and nothing will change in rematch although Manny sinces to be getting stronger and stronger by the day...(he knocked down a welterweight in his sparring for his Dec. fight). Hmm Hmmm, your thoughts?

at 130...pac barrera and morales are all very beatable..corrales casamayor and yes frietas would beat all

It won't be 11 rounds of a beating but Manny would still inflict insane amount of damage. There is some fight left in MAB but as we have seen yesterday, speed prevails. I don't see anything different in a rematch against Manny. That left hook left uppercut looks sick but Pac would see it coming. He's just too damn fast IMO.

Perhaps this is not the thread to post this but I don't think Pacquiao will beat Márquez in the first place. I think it will be Barrera-Márquez.

Perhaps this is not the thread to post this but I don't think Pacquiao will beat Márquez in the first place. I think it will be Barrera-Márquez.
i think marquez will beat pacman.marquez barrera 2005.

Barrera may come in a lot more focused than last time.
So who knows......

Whether Manny WINS or LOOSES, BARRERA WOULD ALWAYS PROMPT FOR THE REMATCH. Are you kidding me?!? This guy must feel like a KING, he's the ****ing super featherweight champion of the world and just put a beating on ERIK MORALES! Of course now Manny Pacquiao is not such a big threat. No better way to prove that Nov 11 was just nothing more than a fluke. A rematch with Pac can happen and will happen if Barrera wants to, and he has no reason not to. Whether Manny wins or looses to Marquez.

if it wasn't for the 3 knockouts marquez would of won but damn pac man is insane, marquez has 2 get use 2 a southpaw but u never know, never count out barrera, damn i did,

if it wasn't for the 3 knockouts marquez would of won but damn pac man is insane, marquez has 2 get use 2 a southpaw but u never know, never count out barrera, damn i did,


Good thing there is was no 3 knockdown rule in that fight, I think a rematch would be great for boxing; as for the outcome I think Pacman still gets him. ;)

if it wasn't for the 3 knockouts marquez would of won but damn pac man is insane, marquez has 2 get use 2 a southpaw but u never know, never count out barrera, damn i did,

I love it when people say this lol Always makes me laugh. It's like saying "If Manny didn't get outboxed from 3-8 he would have won the fight"

yeah u got me, but i'm just saying that marquez needs 2 box and not rumble 2 win.

Marquez did box but he still didnt get pac.

yeah u got me, but i'm just saying that marquez needs 2 box and not rumble 2 win.

I don't even think the guy can rumble if he wanted to lol Always getting his ass beat. When he faces a complete Manny, the left straight would be the least of his problems.

Yeah and Roach has already been working on Manny's right hand in preparation for the fight. They know what to expect. Roach and Manny always sit down and review fight tapes on the fighter before going into battle. They will definitely rewatch the fight they had to completely figure Marquez out. Manny also won't leave anything for chance this time around although I wonder. Do you think his hunger has left him more now that he knows it will probably be a Barrera rematch rather than Morales regardless if Morales had won or not?

Yeah and Roach has already been working on Manny's right hand in preparation for the fight. They know what to expect. Roach and Manny always sit down and review fight tapes on the fighter before going into battle. They will definitely rewatch the fight they had to completely figure Marquez out. Manny also won't leave anything for chance this time around although I wonder. Do you think his hunger has left him more now that he knows it will probably be a Barrera rematch rather than Morales regardless if Morales had won or not?

It has too. Its gotta be a downer to realize that "the guy to beat" turns out the guy you already beat. A fight with EM is still necessary but I dont think Pac thinks highly of his skills now that MAB gave him a beating.

Pacquiao-Marquez 2 !!!

Let's get it on! :mad:

we want pacman vs mab II asap!!!!!

forget about jmm...he don't want a rematch against pacman anyway........he's just happy wearing his 2 chastity belts!!!!!! :D

Ok, enough Morales talk, he's old news :D Let's begin talks about Marco-Manny II. What do you think will happen this time around? Do you think Manny is still too fast and powerful for him, or will he be able to do something to at least win 1 round OFFICIALLY(no tripping and count as kd)? Barrera looked great for Morales, though maybe Morales isn't that great after all. Only Barrera is his top opposition since those 2 hate each other so much, it brings out the best in both. What do you think? I still say Manny had done so much preparation in the first fight that he practically feels like he trained Barrera himself. I think Manny has Barrera fully figured out and nothing will change in rematch although Manny sinces to be getting stronger and stronger by the day...(he knocked down a welterweight in his sparring for his Dec. fight). Hmm Hmmm, your thoughts?


That's 50/50 chance for both Bro. They have previously met so they both have figure out each other. As I said before it's a matter of who could put their game plans into play. . . a matter of could dictate the tempo of the fight right from the start. Power wise Pac still has the edge.

That MAB/Eric fight is a reflection of that Pac/MAB fight . . . nobody ever wanted to back out . . . only this time it's MAB on the winning side who is succesful in connecting with a lot of combination punches.

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MAB-Pacman II?? Pacman wins hands down! I mean, hands up!! I mean, whatever! The difference between Pacman and Morales or JMM, is that Pacman is much faster, more relentless and has more thunderous hands! MAB will be too busy dodging these hands to inflict any damage to Pacman. If he fights toe-to-toe, it will be an early exit for him. Filename: j0286764.gif Keywords: boxers, boxing, gloves ... File Size: 11 KB

manny will not beat JMM...JMM vs MAB..then MAB retires after a huge big fight that can go either way against JMM

ho hope at all for barrera........he should retire now on a high note.

:) Whether Manny WINS or LOOSES, BARRERA WOULD ALWAYS PROMPT FOR THE REMATCH. Are you kidding me?!? This guy must feel like a KING, he's the ****ing super featherweight champion of the world and just put a beating on ERIK MORALES! Of course now Manny Pacquiao is not such a big threat. No better way to prove that Nov 11 was just nothing more than a fluke. A rematch with Pac can happen and will happen if Barrera wants to, and he has no reason not to. Whether Manny wins or looses to Marquez.

totally agree with you here, Manny win loose or draw with JMM do not affect the fact that MAB wants a rematch with the PAC and get his revenge....

And I still think that PAC got MAB's number, just like MAB got EM's number (2 out of 3, is not bad at all)...

I think Barrera would do much better in a rematch. Wasn't he having all kinds of problems in his life before that first fight?

MAB performs a lot better when he sets his own pace. Manny wouldn't ever let him with the crazy pace he sets. I'm a Barrera fan but i just think Manny is all wrong for him... Still, after Saturday i'll never write him off ever again. Besides, if JMM beats Manny we'll get MAB Vs. JMM - and i'd much rather see Barrera in with him than Manny.

If MAB get get his head right and focus.

I think Pac would underestimate him and thats when MAB is at his best.

If you subtract the first round from the JMM - Pac fight it is a one-sided BEATING given to Pac by Marquez. I see a rematch the same as the first fight sans the first round. JMM dominates a second fight.

As for Barrera - Pac II, I have always claimed that Barrera would win a rematch. Barrera was going through some personal problems and didn't train appropriately. A rematch favors Barrera, IMHO.

MAB performs a lot better when he sets his own pace. Manny wouldn't ever let him with the crazy pace he sets. I'm a Barrera fan but i just think Manny is all wrong for him... Still, after Saturday i'll never write him off ever again. Besides, if JMM beats Manny we'll get MAB Vs. JMM - and i'd much rather see Barrera in with him than Manny.


Good observation tony . . . MAB showed that against Hamed, Ayala and now against Morales.

In this fight he never gave Morales the chance to dictate the fight . . . he came in there charging with both hands blazing . . . but he was able to do that because MAB fully knows that he can handle Eric's power. What about Pac's? :D

Incidentally . . . I'm a PAC fan and MAB's fan as well but being Pac's compatriot I'll be in his side comes D DAY. ;)

If you subtract the first round from the JMM - Pac fight it is a one-sided BEATING given to Pac by Marquez. I see a rematch the same as the first fight sans the first round. JMM dominates a second fight.

As for Barrera - Pac II, I have always claimed that Barrera would win a rematch. Barrera was going through some personal problems and didn't train appropriately. A rematch favors Barrera, IMHO.


You are saying that because maybe YoU only saw Pac's fight against MAB and JMM . . . that's your opinion then that's respected but this early I'm challenging you to a straight bet comes D DAY.

sTRAIGHT BET - no ODDS; irregardless how K.O.,T.K.O. or by how ever just plain win or lose. I'm for PAC :cool: How many points are you willing to stake? ;)

ITs a shame that you can't make posts that are too short. Because the answer to this question is very short.

NO.

If you subtract the first round from the JMM - Pac fight it is a one-sided BEATING given to Pac by Marquez. I see a rematch the same as the first fight sans the first round. JMM dominates a second fight.

As for Barrera - Pac II, I have always claimed that Barrera would win a rematch. Barrera was going through some personal problems and didn't train appropriately. A rematch favors Barrera, IMHO.

Anybody who hypothetically takes out the first round of that fight is a clown. Again, its like saying "if Pac didn't get outbosed from rounds 3-8 he would have won the fight". Pure comedy.

ofcourse he has a chance at beating manny in a remtach

with last sat.'s performance he simply made a stronger case forhimself

peronally i still think he is too susceptible to mannys left hand
but as my father put it
one punch wont always do it

and if anyone has proven he can take a punch its MAB
and if anyone has proven they rely a bit too much on one punch its Pac

so i still give him a great chance at beating manny but i think it would be extremely tough
now the question is at what weight are they goin to fight?

if barrera boxes the same way he did on saturday and pac boxes the way he did against marquez (barring the 1st round) then barrera stops him in 7

wrong.....if Pac cant beat JMM...that means JMM is the better fighter overall hello!...so MAB could face JMM (2 birds with one stone) and if he wins can retire on a high note....anyway i agree i dont think pac will have much of a shot this time around..i think he may drop JMM again once but thats it...if manny and mab fight it will be at 130 anyway..so i hope manny can carry that power to make it a good fight...anyone thats doesnt give mab a chance is an idiot...and manny is talking a lot of sh*t already...if he goes in there over confident, mab will lay his @$$ out

ofcourse he has a chance at beating manny in a remtach

with last sat.'s performance he simply made a stronger case forhimself

peronally i still think he is too susceptible to mannys left hand
but as my father put it
one punch wont always do it

and if anyone has proven he can take a punch its MAB
and if anyone has proven they rely a bit too much on one punch its Pac

so i still give him a great chance at beating manny but i think it would be extremely tough
now the question is at what weight are they goin to fight?

I dont think weight will be much of a problem here PAC can handle 130 lbs easily (PAC-MAB 1 pac weigh 135lbs) and MAB proved by beating EM that he is a force to be recokned at SFW, so both of them can handle 130 with ease...

If ever they will fight I would like it to be at 130, that championsip belt on MAB waist will boost PACs motivation...

I think that PAC got MAB's number, it will surely be a better fight for MAB but outcome will be the same, Pac wins...

Barrera might have shown that he is boxing's version of Lazarus, or someone close. But round 12 of last Saturday's encounter saw a Barrera who barely had any left in the tank.

Moreover, rounds 7 and 8 were, in my eyes, Morales' because, MAB saw the need to pace himself. And he believed that he can afford to take some from Erik-- while cruising a bit-- as he had tasted Erik's best in their two ledgendary previous encounters as well as in the course of the last fight; and thought he could handle it. He visibly threw on the switch again in the 9th: initiated most of the action, and took the round in the manner that he did the 6th.

Against a stronger puncher, rounds 7 and 8 would be a huge luxury for MAB,i.e., go on a defensive mode for most of the round. If he lets a stronger puncher dish out artillery and just hide in a foxhole, one of the shells just might hit its mark! :) He must issue receipts every time a big puncher of an opponent gives him one just so the other guy begins to reconsider... ;)

I don't think there is any question that if Barrera produced a display like he did last night he would have to much for Pac, there is no question MAB is a more skilled fighter with better teqnique and a superior boxing brain, however we saw what happened last time Barrera was a shadow of what he had been leading up to the fight and has been since, Pac had the power and the engine and deservedly won. Bottom line both fighters at there best MAB hands down winner. In reality I get the feeling that that may well have been one last super human effort from MAB against Morrales with all the hype and hatred so possibly, like I say in reality Pac.

I dont think weight will be much of a problem here PAC can handle 130 lbs easily (PAC-MAB 1 pac weigh 135lbs) and MAB proved by beating EM that he is a force to be recokned at SFW, so both of them can handle 130 with ease...

If ever they will fight I would like it to be at 130, that championsip belt on MAB waist will boost PACs motivation...

I think that PAC got MAB's number, it will surely be a better fight for MAB but outcome will be the same, Pac wins...

betty gud poynts

barrera may have some wins left in him , but not against pac.

The Barrera than beat up Morales on 11/27/04 would have a great chance in beating Manny Pacman in a rematch, the MAB that was beat by Manny a while back was a completly different fighter than the one we saw this sat night,

I dont think that MAB can beat manny. I would say JMM has a better chance of beating manny then MAB

I said it before the first MAB fight and I will say it again. Pacman will beat MAB and more than likely KO him again. The speed and power is just too much for MAB imop. I do think that JMM has a better chance of beating Oacman because he will run this time and try to counter instead of going toe to toe. I do like Manny but I would have to wonder if the judges would give him a gift like they gave Lennox in the second Holy fight since most people believe MAnny beat JMM the first fight. I still pick Manny in both fights because he is faster and has more power and Freddy wont let him make the same mistakes he did against either fighter.

As of now, there's nobody there who can outbox that Filipino boxer called "PACMAN", you might asked why? First, he's really strong, quick, young, and has a very strong determination to become a world champion. Although there are lot's of strategy on the boxer's traning regimen and preparation of a fight. These factors are the one that determines outcome of a fight. Barrera and Morales are on the old generation of featherweights, they are on their thirties while PACMAN is on the twenties. If Pacqiuao was not rob of that anomalous decision against Marquez. Imagine he was down 3X, which was the first Marquez experience that kind of fight. You know Bob Arum, Don King, judges that can be bribed and no proper training, these are the people who makes the boxing world dirty. So thank DelaHoya for his partnership with Hopkins. It's better for them to do the business, because they are the one who suffers in the ring. Manny Pacquiao still the man to watch!!!

yes he can beat him
Manford is not unbeatable
:D

Pacquiao-Marquez 2 !!!

Let's get it on! :mad:
dang that girl in your avatar is foinnnnne

Anybody who hypothetically takes out the first round of that fight is a clown. Again, its like saying "if Pac didn't get outbosed from rounds 3-8 he would have won the fight". Pure comedy.
exactly. in round 1, pac beat him like a red-headed stepchild with the straight left alone. in the rematch, an improved pac would cause some serious damage although it might go a few rounds since marquez will prepare for the power

Yes! Barrera Can beat Manny in Rematch!

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yes he can beat him
Manford is not unbeatable
:D
who the hell is manford?

I said it before the first MAB fight and I will say it again. Pacman will beat MAB and more than likely KO him again. The speed and power is just too much for MAB imop. I do think that JMM has a better chance of beating Oacman because he will run this time and try to counter instead of going toe to toe. I do like Manny but I would have to wonder if the judges would give him a gift like they gave Lennox in the second Holy fight since most people believe MAnny beat JMM the first fight. I still pick Manny in both fights because he is faster and has more power and Freddy wont let him make the same mistakes he did against either fighter.

Pac Man is less various, than MAB!


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Perhaps this is not the thread to post this but I don't think Pacquiao will beat Márquez in the first place. I think it will be Barrera-Márquez.


In your dreams maybe. In the long run. THE LAST MAN STANDING IS PACQUIAO. I bet you on this.

Anybody who hypothetically takes out the first round of that fight is a clown. Again, its like saying "if Pac didn't get outbosed from rounds 3-8 he would have won the fight". Pure comedy.


nicely said.

manny will not beat JMM...JMM vs MAB..then MAB retires after a huge big fight that can go either way against JMM


:D Manny will not beat JMM . . . well how sure are you? Did Arum divulged to you his secret that the scorecards for the Pac/JMM rematch were already done? :D With Eric's loss I'm sure Arum will move Heavens and Earth to ensure JMM's victory for TOP RANKS to stay in the championship picture. yEAH JMM by U.D.! Don't you think Team Pac headed by Roach doesn't know what inside Arum's head? :p JMM won't get up from the canvas this time so there's no need for the ****I'N STUPID judges.

Yeah JMM vs MAB . . .then MAB retires . . . keep on dreaming! :cool:

why do poeple look at the the first round of JMM/pac and say he will win...pac got schooled the rest of those rounds..this time JMM will take his time and knows what not to do..JMM will beat pac for sure if he comes in with his head clear...JMM has said he wants MAB after pac..and MAB would beat JMM..so whats so far fetch off that....Manny pacquiao even acted like a ***** getting out of his fight with st.clair(someone who had a great chance at beating him)

I mean even Morales would still beat pac..i dont know why some fans put pac as if he was invincible...he very beatable

why do poeple look at the the first round of JMM/pac and say he will win...pac got schooled the rest of those rounds..this time JMM will take his time and knows what not to do..JMM will beat pac for sure if he comes in with his head clear...JMM has said he wants MAB after pac..and MAB would beat JMM..so whats so far fetch off that....Manny pacquiao even acted like a ***** getting out of his fight with st.clair(someone who had a great chance at beating him)

I mean even Morales would still beat pac..i dont know why some fans put pac as if he was invincible...he very beatable

Why can Pac beat JMM?

1) He can hurt JMM more than JMM can hurt Manny.

2) Pac was outboxed yes but have you ever truly studied round 9-10? Dya notice the difference in mobility? I feel that's when Pac sucked up the pain on his foot and showed that he CAN win rounds even without the straight bombs.

3) This time around, Pac has 2 fists. I'd laugh if JMM got knocked out with a right hook :D

Why the hate Hurlex. You're giving Manny ZERO credit. You're saying Pac was acting like a ***** getting out of St. Clair when the guy fought MAB, JMM demanding a rematch against teh latter hopefully leading to a fight with ERIK MORALES. So please, tell me again that he ran from St. Clair :rolleyes:

why do poeple look at the the first round of JMM/pac and say he will win...pac got schooled the rest of those rounds..this time JMM will take his time and knows what not to do..JMM will beat pac for sure if he comes in with his head clear...JMM has said he wants MAB after pac..and MAB would beat JMM..so whats so far fetch off that....Manny pacquiao even acted like a ***** getting out of his fight with st.clair(someone who had a great chance at beating him)

I mean even Morales would still beat pac..i dont know why some fans put pac as if he was invincible...he very beatable


Pac is not invincible . . .he is very beatable . . . of course there should be no arguement on that and so with MAB, JMM and Morales. Everybody is beatable because they are mere mortals. With the caliber of these fighters one mistake in that 12 rounds fight can change the result . . . so for you to say that Pac won't defeat JMM is an extra ordinary confidence. You already have a conclusion despite this thing being hypothetical, it's going to happen on February Bro. Is there something you know that we don't?

Us looking at the first round of that JMM/Pac fight and say he will win? No . . no . . no I'm not one of those. I've seen Pac start from the scratch and I know what he is made of, that's why I know what he is capable of doing.

JMM schooled Pac the rest of the fight? That's just your point of view Bro. because that's the way you wanted to picture it. Don't forget the fact that with or without Pac's injury that night he could have still won't without the "**** up" job of one off the judges for wrong scoring and the refs incompetence of not deducting a point from JMM after so many low blow warnings.
Common man let's be sensible here . . . don't let your dislike for Pac ruin your objectivity. The fact remains that despite Pac's in jury, JMM manage to only salvage a draw aided by a judge and the ref. That's well documented so nobody can dispute that.

A Pac/JMM fight is 50/50 . . .a PAC/MAB fight 50/50 . . . a PAC/Morales fight 50/50 . . . in fact I want it 60/40 in favor of his opponents because Pac performs best when he is an underdog.

Yeah you know, a lot of you that post on this forum need to use your brain alittle bit more, you all think 1 dimensional. You are basing Pacman on his last performance against Marquez. Your forgetting his dominance over the bantam-weights and Barrera. Your forgetting, focus and concentration overcomes the odds(Barrera v Morales III). Your forgetting, Manny infact did win more than just the 1st rd vs JMM. Thinking that he didn't just from being blinded by Marquez's abilitiy to come back from the knockdowns isn't calling yourself a true boxing analyzer.
My thoughts on the rematches between JMM and Barrera. Manny can win, NO DOUBT, it's all about his focus and concentration. He might have over prepared for Barrera since obviously Barrera wasn't himself. Though it was an amazing performance we won't see again unless Manny stays focused. If Roach can keep Manny's young mind together, he will be the dominate force in the featherweight division for years to come. He has the ability to learn and adapt in fights and doesn't take not controlling a fight easy.
In a JMM rematch, it will go like Manny will either go for a knockout this time for real, or swarm JMM until the end to get a decision. I highly doubt he's going to sit on Marquez again so Marquez can pick his counter shots left and right. The right hand will also 100% guranteed be in the fight. Roach has confirmed this already that they are working on it heavy. You also can't forget before Marquez fight, he's used it in all of his fights, so throw he's a 1 punch fighter out of the window already. Yes, his power is in the left, though that doesn't mean he's singlely 1 hand dominate on it besides vs Marquez.
If he fights Barrera again, the key factors here are that Barrera's stamina is really low, he is counter punching which means he don't throw as much unless he needs to and yet he was an empty tank in the final round vs Morales. Even showed tiredness in the 11th. Manny's has insane amount of stamina to be able to throw nonstop from beginning to end. Barrera will need to work on that. Barrera also needs new defense which I don't think he will be able to JUST change out of the blue. He is very vulnerable for the straight left and Manny seems to be getting stronger and stronger with that punch. Of course he won't just use that because like I said, he figured Barrera out to hell in the first fight. He may need some adjustments based on Barrera's performance vs Morales. Once those are in, it will be a repeat without a doubt of the first performance. Manny's fight pace and workrate is just too high for him to handle.
So in the end, can Manny win these rematches? Yes. Will he? It's all up to him and his focus and concentration. Only with Roach I can see this happening because when he's alone, forget it, Manny is a mindless immature boxer who doesn't keep his priorities straight.

Manny will KO Barrera again –Roach


By nick giongco


FREDDIE ROACH wants it done immediately. That is, a rematch between Manny Pacquiao and Marco Antonio Barrera. Now, Pacquiao versus Barrera II is the fight everyone wants to see.


While Barrera may have put on a show against Erik Morales, that doesn’t mean he will do the same thing when given the opportunity to lock horns anew with Pacquiao, said Roach.

"Manny will knock him out," Roach told the Bulletin yesterday after presiding over Pacquiao’s two-hour workout at the Almendras Gym in Davao in preparation for a tuneup fight with Fahsan 3K Battery of Thailand on Dec. 11 at The Fort in Taguig.

"Marco fought a very good fight against Morales. I believe he won the fight but it’s going to be different when he fights Manny. He can’t do that against Manny. Although he looked good out there, he remains the same though," the American trainer said.

Now that Barrera has succeeded in making noises by beating Morales, one of the best in the world pound for pound, Roach wants to know if it is feasible that a bout with Barrera be arranged instead of a rematch with another Mexican, Juan Manuel Marquez, on Feb. 26.

"This is what a lot of people want to see next. This is the bigger fight," said Roach, who arrived in the country from Los Angeles exactly a week ago.

"Then let Morales fight the winner of Pacquiao versus Barrera," he said.

Buboy Fernandez, a disciple of Roach, also doesn’t see Barrera avenging his 11th-round knockout defeat at the Alamodome in San Antonio, Texas.

"Ganun pa rin naman si Barrera," said Fernandez, who also dabbles as Pacquiao’s sidekick. "Pero maganda nga na paglabanin ulit sila dahil nga tinalo niya si Morales."

"Pero knockout pa rin siya kay Manny dahil hindi niya magagawa yung ginawa niya kay Morales sa katulad ni Manny."

Fernandez points out that Morales was not able to hurt Barrera badly enough to compel Barrera to think twice before boring inside.

"Hindi niya (Barrera) magawa yung basta na lang papasok kasi tatamaan siya ng masasakit na suntok na pakakawalan ni Manny," added Fernandez.

Meanwhile, Roach said "this week is going to be hard for Manny."

"By weekend, we are going to start to taper off. Manny will probably have his last sparring on Monday," Roach added.

Pacquiao, Roach and the rest of the gang are arriving in Manila late Thursday night, in time for a meeting with high-ranking officials of Smart Communications, which is financing the Dec. 11 show in partnership with Solar Sports.

If you subtract the first round from the JMM - Pac fight it is a one-sided BEATING given to Pac by Marquez. I see a rematch the same as the first fight sans the first round. JMM dominates a second fight.

As for Barrera - Pac II, I have always claimed that Barrera would win a rematch. Barrera was going through some personal problems and didn't train appropriately. A rematch favors Barrera, IMHO.

If you subtract rounds 2 to 12, JMM was severely beaten...knocked down 3x etc...etc... if if if...maybe it would be better if we all take it as it is - DRAW! Then let's hope for a rematch. MP has spoken publicly that he is willing to fight both JMM and MAB. :D I'm sure you will agree with me that JMM/Pacman II and MAB/Pacman II will be both exiting.

I really have a 90% doubt that JMM could take Manny P. down. That is if Manny won't punch and can't take a punch. With all honesty and unbiased opinion, JMM is just so fortunate at that time coz Manny hurt his hand and foot after Rnd 1 (THIS IS A FACT!!!!! GET IT????). We will see on their rematch who will really kiss the canvass. And I think and with all respect to JMM fans, it will not be Pacquiao who will go down.

As far as I saw, it was the same MAB who fought Morales. He was just more aggressive and confident this time, the style and everything else is the same. But it was a different Morales who fought MAB. It simply was not Erik. Maybe it was the weight?

Anyway, in a MAB-Pacman rematch, the result would be the same. I really think Pacman is just too fast and powerful for MAB. :)

manny will not beat JMM...JMM vs MAB..then MAB retires after a huge big fight that can go either way against JMM

Why not, on the other way around, it was JMM who could only come up with a draw. Thanks to the mistake of that stupid judge...and who would wanna pay to see a boring fighter in JMM. The guy does not not even initiate a fight!

I think Barrera would do much better in a rematch. Wasn't he having all kinds of problems in his life before that first fight?

You might be right but I bet you the outcome would be the same - a TKO for the Pacman. Bring him on and let him prove he really had an off-night.

MAB performs a lot better when he sets his own pace. Manny wouldn't ever let him with the crazy pace he sets. I'm a Barrera fan but i just think Manny is all wrong for him... Still, after Saturday i'll never write him off ever again. Besides, if JMM beats Manny we'll get MAB Vs. JMM - and i'd much rather see Barrera in with him than Manny.

Certainly not JMM in a snoozefest!!!

If MAB get get his head right and focus.

I think Pac would underestimate him and thats when MAB is at his best.

I don't think Pac is that foolish... and why would uinderestimate a top-caliber fighter like MAB. Even in his upcoming fight with 3K, he is not taking any chances more so against MAB.

if barrera boxes the same way he did on saturday and pac boxes the way he did against marquez (barring the 1st round) then barrera stops him in 7

what about rounds 2, 9-12? manny still has a good chance IMHO. :)

exactly. in round 1, pac beat him like a red-headed stepchild with the straight left alone. in the rematch, an improved pac would cause some serious damage although it might go a few rounds since marquez will prepare for the power

not to mention roach is honing that right hook as another lethal weapon for the pacman! i would love to see that right hook planted on jmm's liver.

why do poeple look at the the first round of JMM/pac and say he will win...pac got schooled the rest of those rounds..this time JMM will take his time and knows what not to do..JMM will beat pac for sure if he comes in with his head clear...JMM has said he wants MAB after pac..and MAB would beat JMM..so whats so far fetch off that....Manny pacquiao even acted like a ***** getting out of his fight with st.clair(someone who had a great chance at beating him)

I mean even Morales would still beat pac..i dont know why some fans put pac as if he was invincible...he very beatable

i never look at the first round alone. if you watch the fight again, pac easily won rounds 1-2, 9, 11-12 and even a few of the other rounds were close to call except for 3-6 where it looked like jmm was stealing the fight from pac. i hope you people stop claiming that manny just won the first round. it was jmm who was merely surviving manny's onslaught. really, it sounds like a broken cd.

jmm clearly won that fight in my head...but who "should" have gotten the win should have been pac..just cuz of that 10-6 round crap...anyway...from what i saw (what i mean is) JMM can and might take pac easy now that he knows what to do and what not to...but i wanna know from a pac fan...what about manny not being able to ko JMM and getting schooled for a lot of those rounds tells u he can walk threw JMM the second time around...

cuz what i am hearing is not "its gonna be a close good fight"...what manny fans are saying is manny will ko him fast...my q..is why???why do u take so much away from JMM

no hate fo pac...not at all really...dude its just some manny fans push it to far....remember all that Morales is a ***** and would be killed by pac..and mexican (whihc i am not one but still) are ******s that cant fight and all that...all those things make u less of a fa of someone....

anyway no..i will watch the JMM/PAC rematch as a fan of both (i want JMM to win a lil more then pac) but if pac wins i have no problem with it sinc ei know it would mean a MAB/PAC 2 fight

It just there is a lot of hate against JMM also..i mean that was straight up heart to get that in round one and continue with that much confidence..it was frikin amazing

jmm clearly won that fight in my head...but who "should" have gotten the win should have been pac..just cuz of that 10-6 round crap...anyway...from what i saw (what i mean is) JMM can and might take pac easy now that he knows what to do and what not to...but i wanna know from a pac fan...what about manny not being able to ko JMM and getting schooled for a lot of those rounds tells u he can walk threw JMM the second time around...

cuz what i am hearing is not "its gonna be a close good fight"...what manny fans are saying is manny will ko him fast...my q..is why???why do u take so much away from JMM


Why??? Here's my answer:

1. Pacquiao will be able to connect because of his NO FEAR attitude and aggresiveness.

2. JMM's counter punching skill will not be a big factor for Pacman coz he can take a punch. And Pacman if hit, becomes more aggressive and destructive. He comes back for more.

3. JMM will rely mostly on his counter punching skills and Pacquiao will figure it out and send JMM to the canvass. He can't stand Manny P.'s power.

no hate fo pac...not at all really...dude its just some manny fans push it to far....remember all that Morales is a ***** and would be killed by pac..and mexican (whihc i am not one but still) are ******s that cant fight and all that...all those things make u less of a fa of someone....

anyway no..i will watch the JMM/PAC rematch as a fan of both (i want JMM to win a lil more then pac) but if pac wins i have no problem with it sinc ei know it would mean a MAB/PAC 2 fight

It just there is a lot of hate against JMM also..i mean that was straight up heart to get that in round one and continue with that much confidence..it was frikin amazing

We give him full credit. But the credit we give him is used to take away credit from Pac. Like all of the sudden, Pacquiao would get his ass outboxed silly for 12 rounds in the second fight. When he will be fresh, when he will use both hands, when Roach would have had all this time to figure out a counterpuncher. No people, that aint giving team Pac enough credit. Here's how I look at it, Marquez would need to deal with a fresh Pac, no injuries. Marquez would have to deal with both of Pac's fists this time. Marquez would have to deal with the superior power and speed. Pacquaio just needs to find a way in cuz JMM sure aint stopping counterpunching.

Of course, MAB can beat Manny in a rematch. That, is, if Manny becomes overconfident and does not do his homework. But with Roach, Manny will behave.

My hat's off to Morales who did not say "it was not me out there against MAB".

I just want to see the fight!!!! lol.... no point arguing what might be the outcome cause we'll never really know. What I would like to see is Pacman flooring JMM. A knockout, not a knockdown. Then doing a repeat of whatever he did to Barrera previously. Can Barrera beat Manny? Maybe, maybe not... who really knows? Bring it on and enjoy the fight I say.

jmm clearly won that fight in my head...but who "should" have gotten the win should have been pac..just cuz of that 10-6 round crap...anyway...from what i saw (what i mean is) JMM can and might take pac easy now that he knows what to do and what not to...but i wanna know from a pac fan...what about manny not being able to ko JMM and getting schooled for a lot of those rounds tells u he can walk threw JMM the second time around...

cuz what i am hearing is not "its gonna be a close good fight"...what manny fans are saying is manny will ko him fast...my q..is why???why do u take so much away from JMM

same here bro...no hate for jmm and all the great mexican warriors like mab and erik. i love to see those guys fight and they've contributed greatly to what boxing is now. i just hate arrogant and disrespectful people...as for manny, i know this may sound like an excuse to you but i believe that the main reason why he wasn't able to ko jmm was because he hurt his foot after the 1st round...if you look closely starting from the 3rd round, you'd notice that his mobility was down. i believe it was in 6th round when he told freddie roach that his foot was hurting. i don't know if you heard it, but i did.

not only that, i believe that jmm's physical attributes are already on the downhill (power, speed, stamina, etc) while manny's has still some 2-3 years to reach its peak. nacho knows that the only way jmm can win against pac is to surpass the former's stamina coupled with jmm's boxing and counterpunching skills. to add to that, manny's learning curve is on the steep rise at this point having roach on his side while jmm's has already plateaud. i don't think jmm will improve that much while manny has still a big room for improvement... and this is where i rely most of my prediction. manny will be much a better fighter compared to his self on may 8. jmm will be a better fighter too having faced the pacman already and thus will know what to do. but the only difference is -- manny will be the more improved than the two.

jmm the second time around will face a more matured, more intelligent, and more skilled pacman than the one he fought in may. and jmm knows he still has to contend with the blazing speed, stamina and firepower. manny is real lucky that roach really cares about him. the roach factor will be the main difference in their next match IMHO. my 2 cents worth.

If i've learned anything about Barrera, it's this: don't count him out in any fight at this stage in his career. The guys got more lives than a cat.

he can, but Pac is going to give him a hell of a fight

Of course, MAB can beat Manny in a rematch. That, is, if Manny becomes overconfident and does not do his homework. But with Roach, Manny will behave.

My hat's off to Morales who did not say "it was not me out there against MAB".


This is with fairness opinion. I really think MAB is not 100% on that fight with Pacman. If you are going to compare it with his previous fights against Ayala and Morales, I can say he was different.

very true..when u compare the mab that fought pac..he wasnt the same one before that fight or after...so we'll wait and see either way it will be one hell of a fight..at 130 of course

i think mab has his confidence back...and i wouldnt wanna f**k with a mab thats has a clear head and 100% confidence behind him

But I still go for Pacman when they face again.

:D Manny will not beat JMM . . . well how sure are you? Did Arum divulged to you his secret that the scorecards for the Pac/JMM rematch were already done? :D With Eric's loss I'm sure Arum will move Heavens and Earth to ensure JMM's victory for TOP RANKS to stay in the championship picture. yEAH JMM by U.D.! Don't you think Team Pac headed by Roach doesn't know what inside Arum's head? :p JMM won't get up from the canvas this time so there's no need for the ****I'N STUPID judges.

Yeah JMM vs MAB . . .then MAB retires . . . keep on
dreaming! :cool:

amen to that bro.......better pacman-mab2
scorecards are already rigged for pacman-jmm so why bother with jmm...he doesnt want a rematch anyway.............chicken!!!

very true..when u compare the mab that fought pac..he wasnt the same one before that fight or after...so we'll wait and see either way it will be one hell of a fight..at 130 of course

i think mab has his confidence back...and i wouldnt wanna f**k with a mab thats has a clear head and 100% confidence behind him
When you fight PAC, you won't be the same. Power punches comming in bundles of 4-5-6 combinations. Speed which just gets better and better as round go by. Power which can make you sleep in a coma. Un rivaled will and determination. He is the only fighter in the featherweight division who can charge anybody up from round 1 to 12 without pause and without hesitation. JMM doesn't have that. MAB doesn't have that. Add that up and you have KO for both thes pansies.

JMM
I can't believe the degree of stupidity these people say about JMM beating pac. First, the judges rigged the decision. Second, PAC was fighting with a broken left fist and scarred feet. Next time around. PAC won't be standing still. He will be the same pac who is relentless and unstoppable from round 1 to 12.

MAB
Did't you see the fight people? Are you fools? For every punch MAB gave to PAC, PAC gave him 4 power punches back. If they didn't stopped the fight. PAC would have immobilized MAB permanently.

You're all into denial here thinking you're precious MAB will beat Pac in the rematch. In the first place, MAB is now too COWARDLY to face PAC. He knows he will get the same BEATING when they face again. Probably more beating. PACMAN will take MAB to school and he will make sure MAB retires, in a wheelchair. lol!

Just ponder on this. When PAC first fought MAB, PAC still had raw moves and predictable tactics. Now, with an all improved PAC. Add the stamina of 10 men, add the speed unrivaled, add the will unmatched, and add the left hook which you can't see (review the Velazquez fight and you'll hardly see his punches now), and you get a MAB getting rushed to the hospital.

Intiendes amigos?

"Remember Marco Antonio Barrera against Prince Hamed?"

-Larry Merchant

:nono: :nono: :nono:

"Remember Marco Antonio Barrera against Prince Hamed?"

-Larry Merchant
Does Hamed posses PAC's speed? No? Not close in a million miles

Does Hamed posses PAC's power? No? Not even close

Does Hamed posses PAC's stamina? No? PAC's got 10 tanks in his lungs

Add that up pal and you got a MAB in the hospital.

Watch the velasquez fight again pal. Just try to watch how fast PAC punches in unseen directions and how relentless he was. That's more than enough to send you're precious MAB in a coma.

Does Hamed posses PAC's speed? No? Not close in a million miles

Does Hamed posses PAC's power? No? Not even close

Does Hamed posses PAC's stamina? No? PAC's got 10 tanks in his lungs

Add that up pal and you got a MAB in the hospital.

Watch the velasquez fight again pal. Just try to watch how fast PAC punches in unseen directions and how relentless he was. That's more than enough to send you're precious MAB in a coma.

Well since you want to use previous opponents as an example for the outcome of this fight. Watch Barrera vs. Fana.

I'll put 500million+ points on Barrera.

Does Hamed posses PAC's speed? No? Not close in a million miles

Does Hamed posses PAC's power? No? Not even close

Does Hamed posses PAC's stamina? No? PAC's got 10 tanks in his lungs

Add that up pal and you got a MAB in the hospital.

Watch the velasquez fight again pal. Just try to watch how fast PAC punches in unseen directions and how relentless he was. That's more than enough to send you're precious MAB in a coma.
Are you joking me? Fana was a skinny african meant to be a milking cow for MAB. lol! In contrast to velasquez, 40 wins and 30 KO's is not pansy. lol!

But let's make this simple by adding things up. Let's just use addition and subtraction. lol!

Who has the speed advantage? PACMAN. MAB doesn't even come close. He would look like a worm compared to PAC's speed.

Who has more power? PACMAN. Comparing how PAC KO's his opponents. PAC KO's his opponents by taking them head on mano-a-mano. No counter-punching bull****. Just straight head-on fight. That's why he is exciting to watch. That's why he is the people's champ.

Who has more stamina? PACMAN. MAB gassed out in several of his fights. And against PACMAN, good thing he had his cornerman wave "that's it! I friggin give up". Honestly I would have loved MAB to fight till round 12, because by then he will probably end up in the hospital. lol!

Just learn to add pal and the answer is not far away.

Also.... Add the fact that MAB doesn't want to fight PAC anymore. Credit MAB, he doesn't want to retire in a wheelchair as an invalid. If PAC gets his hands on MAB again. The all new improved PAC will tear your precious MAB to pieces. And literally.

If Pac KOs Barrera in a rematch I'm leaving boxingscene.

if barrera fights pacquiao like he fought morales III, then yes, barrera can beat pac in the rematch.

Ok, enough Morales talk, he's old news :D Let's begin talks about Marco-Manny II. What do you think will happen this time around? Do you think Manny is still too fast and powerful for him, or will he be able to do something to at least win 1 round OFFICIALLY(no tripping and count as kd)? Barrera looked great for Morales, though maybe Morales isn't that great after all. Only Barrera is his top opposition since those 2 hate each other so much, it brings out the best in both. What do you think? I still say Manny had done so much preparation in the first fight that he practically feels like he trained Barrera himself. I think Manny has Barrera fully figured out and nothing will change in rematch although Manny sinces to be getting stronger and stronger by the day...(he knocked down a welterweight in his sparring for his Dec. fight). Hmm Hmmm, your thoughts?

the thing is,MAB's camp has been trying to avoid manny like a plague...

no,it won't happen.

If Pac KOs Barrera in a rematch I'm leaving boxingscene.

like i said,you won't,because it won't happen. :rolleyes:

If Pac KOs Barrera in a rematch I'm leaving boxingscene.
That's good. Learn to do the math pal. I don't blame MAB for not fighting PAC again. Afterall, who wants to retire in a wheelchair eh? Im sure not MAB, because that will be his end when he faces PAC again.

Try comprehending 4 power punches in under 2 seconds. Now do you understand? 4 power punches in under 2 second is the REGULAR handspeed of PACMAN. Now do you understand 4 power punches in under 2 seconds? No one can mount a defense to that. lol!

Speed kills.

That's why PAC is called the Destroyer, because that's what he is. He not only KO's you, he will literally tear you to shreds if the refs doesn't stop the fight. lol!

Pak men, you're a disgrace! You give us, "real" Pac fans, a bad name in this forum by your nuthugging. Why resurrect an old thread from years back, what are you trying to prove?

Based on your number of posts, you're only here because Pac won last week. Don't get too excited, Velazquez is not Morales. And what if Pac loses to Morales in the rematch (God forbid!), then you're nuthugging ass will disappear as well, right? You're not a real fan, you're just here to instigate and just riding a bandwagon. Get outta here!

Pak men, you're a disgrace! You give us, "real" Pac fans, a bad name in this forum by your nuthugging. Why resurrect an old thread from years back, what are you trying to prove?

Based on your number of posts, you're only here because Pac won last week. Don't get too excited, Velazquez is not Morales. And what if Pac loses to Morales in the rematch (God forbid!), then you're nuthugging ass will disappear as well, right? You're not a real fan, you're just here to instigate and just riding a bandwagon. Get outta here!

Pak men = the pinoy JUYJUY?

Or is it impossible to duplicate that degree of nuthugging?

Pak men, you're a disgrace! You give us, "real" Pac fans, a bad name in this forum by your nuthugging. Why resurrect an old thread from years back, what are you trying to prove?

Based on your number of posts, you're only here because Pac won last week. Don't get too excited, Velazquez is not Morales. And what if Pac loses to Morales in the rematch (God forbid!), then you're nuthugging ass will disappear as well, right? You're not a real fan, you're just here to instigate and just riding a bandwagon. Get outta here!
You're the disgrace pal. If you don't like my post then you simply just shut up. Simple? Gets?

Pak men = the pinoy JUYJUY?

Or is it impossible to duplicate that degree of nuthugging?
This is what you do when you ran out of reasonable posts. lol! You're pathetic and really funny kiddo. lol!

This is what you do when you ran out of reasonable posts. lol! You're pathetic and really funny kiddo. lol!

Nah, I'm just ****in' around.
I respect your opinion...and I'm sure you respect mine.
I was just joking around.


I guess my previous post is an example of the type of confusion that occurs between users when a smilie isn't used.

Nah, I'm just ****in' around.
I respect your opinion...and I'm sure you respect mine.
I was just joking around.


I guess my previous post is an example of the type of confusion that occurs between users when a smilie isn't used.

you shouldn't repsect his opinion. He IS a disgrace and someone should really start banning these types.

marquez - pacman rematch..marquez has an edge,skill and technics..but not balls.

MAB style is perfect for Manny he is open right down the middle all day. He will not change his style to beat Manny and therfore i think 4 out of 5 times Manny Wins. JMM is more tricky but i dont think he wants any part of Pac. I keep hearing how once JMM figured out Pac he outboxed him easy, wow. All Pac man was doing was right left. He now throws the right hook quite often and has a nice uppercut. I say JMM sets the pace but he will get caught. ;)

you shouldn't repsect his opinion. He IS a disgrace and someone should really start banning these types.
If you got a problem with that kiddo, shut up. Simple and easy.

Handspeed, stamina, punching power, awkward shots.

You do the math. lol!