View Full Version : How do you rank Aaron Pryor?


incredibleman
12-09-2009, 01:47 PM
I think I'd rank him as either the 3rd or 4th greatest light welterweight of all-time.

He was an all action fighter that had great stamina. Sort of the second Henry Armstrong, in a way. I think he would clean out the division, today.

So how do you rank him?

1SILVA
12-09-2009, 01:50 PM
I think I'd rank him as either the 3rd or 4th greatest light welterweight of all-time.

He was an all action fighter that had great stamina. Sort of the second Henry Armstrong, in a way. I think he would clean out the division, today.

So how do you rank him?

IMO he is the greatest 140 pounder to ever live. Purely unstoppable. he would have ko'd Chavez and Tszyu

sonnyboyx2
12-09-2009, 02:28 PM
Pryor was a very good amateur and even better professional, But often on boxing forums it is claimed that Leonard, Hearns & Duran ducked Pryor, this is simply not true.. Pryor was never mooted as an opponent for those guys, Pryor was a light-welterweight and he remained a light-welterweight all his career, Leonard & Hearns started their career as a full welterweight and moved up in weight, Duran was light-weight King for 7yrs then moved up to fight welterweight King Ray Leonard by first fighting former champion Carlos Palomino... i was a hard-core fight-fan back in the late 70s early 80s and Pryor vs those guys was never mooted.. Pryor vs Hearns in the amateur ranks was when Pryor was 20yrs old and Hearns was 17yrs old.. Hearns never had punching power unto he turned pro

Kiid Dynamite
12-09-2009, 03:37 PM
Aaron Pryor is easily a ATG

he ruled the 140 division but I would have liked him go up and down in weights..

The drug use was a bit of a low but hes a great fighter

JFB629
12-09-2009, 03:39 PM
He's most certainly is one of the best Jr Welterweights Of All time. He made 8 defences of his WBA 140lb Title winning it from fellow great Antonio Cervantes in 1980.

All 8 defences of the title were won inside the distance wins included Alexis Arguello x2, Dujuan Johnson (17-0), and Akio Kameda. He was also IBF Jr Welterweight Champion making just one defence of that title.

Pryor at his peak was a ferocious fighter who overwhelmed and swamped opponents with punchers, showing amazing stamina, strentgh and workrate. Aswell as good hand and power, and a unbreakable will.

He had sound whiskers, was fast on his feet and had sharp reflexes and his bob-bing weaving and head movement made him hard to tag.

His prime years were cut short due to drug abuse.

He was never beat at his peak. His only loss coming when he decided to make a ill adivsed comeback when virtually blind in one eye and battiling drug addiction.

Aaron Pyor Resume Of Wins
-Antonio Cervantes
-Dujuan Johnson (17-0)
-Akio Kameda (17-0)
-Alexis Arguello x2
-Sang Hyun Kim
-Gary Hinton

Titles Held
-WBA Jr Welterweight
-IBF Jr Welterweight

Pryor's Amature Accomplishments
-1973 National AAU Champion (132 lbs)
-1975 National Golden Gloves (132 lbs) Champion
-1976 US Olympic Alternate
-1976 National Golden Gloves lightweight Champion(Defeated Thomas Hearns In Final)

But alot of his career is based of a myth that Ray Leonard ducked him. The myth of Leonard ducking him was created by the HBO Legendary Night series. To create drama, thus making the episodes more interesting so to speak.

By the time Pryor got his biggest win defeating Arguello, Leonard was already in retirement.

In 1981 when Leonard was the best Welterweight in the world and had just beaten top 154 fighter Ayub Kalule, Pyor's only real win of true significane was a faded Antonio Cervantes, and the 140lb Pryor only the previous year had been a top contender in the 135lb division.

But was denied his shot in the Lightweight division, thus moving up to 140lb.

Both fighters had some verbal banter and a rivalry, dating back to there amature days.

Here's a quote from Pryor's wife, Frankie Pryor on the situation.
''The fight between Ray and Aaron was one many people wanted to see.
Aaron and Ray have been friends since they were in the early teens and boxed on the same USA Boxing team together. Aaron used to go to Palmer Park, MD and stay with Ray and his family for months at a time when they were working through the amateur ranks. In fact, Ray’s mom advised both of them to not turn pro as she didn’t think they would be able to make a living in boxing! We still see Sugar Ray a couple times a year and I always enjoy hearing their stories about the “good old days”. But I think those “good old days” stopped short any match-up as pros because they were both so knowledgeable of each other’s styles from sparring together and being on the same boxing team. That is the one fighter Aaron does not flat out say he would have beaten but he always says he would have been one great fight no matter who won''

Both Ray and Aaron called out each other on different occasions. But lets not forget Pryor in 1981 said he doesn't expect to fight either Hearns or Leonard because they are "picking up weight''

Pryor also rejected a offer of $500 thousand dollars to fight Ray Leonard, and even confirmed this in his post interview after he had defeated Lennox Blackmore.

But to say Ray ran scared of Pryor and always ducked him are blowing things totally out of proportion as the facts prove, and that is mainly due to HBO.

If Leonard was willing to step up to the plate and fight, Hearns, Benitez, and Duran. I don't think he would of avoided Pryor.

Here's another quote from Leonard rearding a Pryor bout
''Aaron Pryor wants to get into the ring with me. He wants to be able to retire, and he will. For health reasons''

rskumm21
12-09-2009, 04:36 PM
Aaron Pryor=Hawk Time!

1SILVA
12-09-2009, 05:45 PM
He's most certainly is one of the best Jr Welterweights Of All time. He made 8 defences of his WBA 140lb Title winning it from fellow great Antonio Cervantes in 1980.

All 8 defences of the title were won inside the distance wins included Alexis Arguello x2, Dujuan Johnson (17-0), and Akio Kameda. He was also IBF Jr Welterweight Champion making just one defence of that title.

Pryor at his peak was a ferocious fighter who overwhelmed and swamped opponents with punchers, showing amazing stamina, strentgh and workrate. Aswell as good hand and power, and a unbreakable will.

He had sound whiskers, was fast on his feet and had sharp reflexes and his bob-bing weaving and head movement made him hard to tag.

His prime years were cut short due to drug abuse.

He was never beat at his peak. His only loss coming when he decided to make a ill adivsed comeback when virtually blind in one eye and battiling drug addiction.

Aaron Pyor Resume Of Wins
-Antonio Cervantes
-Dujuan Johnson (17-0)
-Akio Kameda (17-0)
-Alexis Arguello x2
-Sang Hyun Kim
-Gary Hinton

Titles Held
-WBA Jr Welterweight
-IBF Jr Welterweight

Pryor's Amature Accomplishments
-1973 National AAU Champion (132 lbs)
-1975 National Golden Gloves (132 lbs) Champion
-1976 US Olympic Alternate
-1976 National Golden Gloves lightweight Champion(Defeated Thomas Hearns In Final)

But alot of his career is based of a myth that Ray Leonard ducked him. The myth of Leonard ducking him was created by the HBO Legendary Night series. To create drama, thus making the episodes more interesting so to speak.

By the time Pryor got his biggest win defeating Arguello, Leonard was already in retirement.

In 1981 when Leonard was the best Welterweight in the world and had just beaten top 154 fighter Ayub Kalule, Pyor's only real win of true significane was a faded Antonio Cervantes, and the 140lb Pryor only the previous year had been a top contender in the 135lb division.

But was denied his shot in the Lightweight division, thus moving up to 140lb.

Both fighters had some verbal banter and a rivalry, dating back to there amature days.

Here's a quote from Pryor's wife, Frankie Pryor on the situation.


Both Ray and Aaron called out each other on different occasions. But lets not forget Pryor in 1981 said he doesn't expect to fight either Hearns or Leonard because they are "picking up weight''

Pryor also rejected a offer of $500 thousand dollars to fight Ray Leonard, and even confirmed this in his post interview after he had defeated Lennox Blackmore.

But to say Ray ran scared of Pryor and always ducked him are blowing things totally out of proportion as the facts prove, and that is mainly due to HBO.

If Leonard was willing to step up to the plate and fight, Hearns, Benitez, and Duran. I don't think he would of avoided Pryor.

Here's another quote from Leonard rearding a Pryor bout
''Aaron Pryor wants to get into the ring with me. He wants to be able to retire, and he will. For health reasons''

Aaron Pryor was in the audience the night of November 9, 1982 when SRL retired the first time. Hagler was there as well.

#1Assassin
12-09-2009, 05:50 PM
IMO he is the greatest 140 pounder to ever live. Purely unstoppable. he would have ko'd Chavez and Tszyu

i agree. wouldve been competetive with any fighter in the history of boxing, easily the bset at 140.

prinzmanspoper
12-10-2009, 02:39 AM
To argue that Pryor is more accomplished as a fighter or as a junior welterweight than Julio Cesar Chavez is just downright stupidity.Chavez made a career out of defeating world class opposition in their prime.I won't say that Arguello was washed up when Pryor beat him but he certainly wasn't at his peak and Cervantes was washed up.Outside of those three wins,he doesn't have a notable name to his resume,without those three names his resume is awful.I would rate Kostya Tszyu over Pryor also.

Most have only seen Pryor's one fight with Arguello and come off with the impression that he was an unbeatable beast who couldn't be hurt,when in truth he had struggled with many mediocre opposition and had been hurt.

MBL
12-10-2009, 06:04 PM
I can only imagine how amazing a Pryor vs Duran fight would have been

Id pick Duran but man what a war it would have been

Chew BackAtacha
12-13-2009, 08:25 PM
i think pryor star was diminshed with the water bottle and panama lewis

prinzmanspoper
12-13-2009, 08:52 PM
at 140? #1 the best 140 lber of all times...

ATG? top 30.


How much do you actually know of Aaron Pryor's career? What makes him more accomplished at 140 compared to Chavez,Tszyu,Locche and Cervantes?


I will ignore the top 30 comment as that was an obvious attempt at trolling.

mhager91490
12-13-2009, 09:14 PM
You can't deny his ability and will to win but his accomplishments speak for themselves and what they are saying isn't good.

mickey malone
12-14-2009, 02:14 AM
Just a swarmer who was lucky enough to meet Arguelo on the slide.. Add a bit of cheating, and you don't get an ATG..
Other than that, who did he beat?
Arguelo effectively retired him, and was definitely responsible for blinding him in one eye..
Pryor was good, but not great..

mrboxer
12-16-2009, 12:44 PM
duran ducked pryor,pryor with his windmill type punches thrown with precise accuracy would off easily kayoed duran possibly within the first round

Thread Stealer
12-16-2009, 08:21 PM
duran ducked pryor,pryor with his windmill type punches thrown with precise accuracy would off easily kayoed duran possibly within the first round

Pryor had an offer to fight Duran. He had managerial problems which caused a delay and by the time he fixed up these problems, the offer was off the table.

screwhead1
12-16-2009, 08:27 PM
top 10 all time great...i'd place him in the top 5 actually...he ruled the 140 division like no other in any point in history...

Thread Stealer
12-16-2009, 08:44 PM
top 10 all time great...i'd place him in the top 5 actually...he ruled the 140 division like no other in any point in history...

I assume you mean top 10 at the weight class of 140, right?

He's pretty high all-time at 140.

I've never really done any defintive lists though.

Burning Desire
12-17-2009, 08:04 AM
Overrated for certain he was good at what he done, but he beat Alexis Arguello with controversy in the 1st fight, and the 2nd fight Alexis Arguello was shot. Plus Alexis Argullo wasn't at his best weightclass, and also Antonio Cervantes was past his prime aswell, maybe you guys should check out Aaron Pryor vs Gary Hinton, to see how badly Aaron Pryor struggled against a slick boxer.

1SILVA
12-17-2009, 11:04 AM
Pryor had an offer to fight Duran. He had managerial problems which caused a delay and by the time he fixed up these problems, the offer was off the table.

His managerial problems also caused a potential fight with Mancini not to happen

Thread Stealer
12-17-2009, 10:04 PM
His managerial problems also caused a potential fight with Mancini not to happen

I hadn't heard about that one. I remember reading about how Mancini's managment protected him and wouldn't put him in there with Pryor. Then again, they did put him in there with Arguello without too much experience.

I know Pryor was supposed to fight Mamby, but ended up getting shot by his wife, and his manager got arrested for embezzlement.

I don't know if it's true, but I read on another board that a big reason Pryor never got a shot at the LW title was because Ernesto Espana wanted the fight in Venezuela (where he actually never fought any of his title fights), and Pryor (or his management) refused to fight him there.

Amazinger
12-18-2009, 11:45 AM
I think I'd rank him as either the 3rd or 4th greatest light welterweight of all-time.

He was an all action fighter that had great stamina. Sort of the second Henry Armstrong, in a way. I think he would clean out the division, today.

So how do you rank him?


The hawk will be on my top 3 greatest Jr.W. Most exciting boxer to watch at the time.very intense Heck he even Beat the young Hearns in the amateur!

Dynamite76
12-21-2009, 12:01 PM
He's arguably the top jr welterweight of all-time, no worse than 3.