View Full Version : Juan Manuel Marquez moving up


AIR_KENG
04-19-2005, 03:59 AM
Translation from Spanish to English by Sergio Martinez.

“I’m as good as Morales and Barrera, and just need a good promoter to get me fights against those guys to prove that I belong with the elite boxers of the world. I also want to finish my business with Manny Pacquiao because I know that I beat him.”-Juan Manuel Marquez.
[ Details ] (http://www.***********.com/1072-juan-manuel-marquez-too-good-for-own-good.html)

JOM'S
04-19-2005, 12:04 PM
I hope JMM make up his mind what he wants to do...

I LOVE TO SEE HIM AGAIN AGAINST PAC SOON ...

Josh2k5
04-19-2005, 09:24 PM
I hope JMM make up his mind what he wants to do...

I LOVE TO SEE HIM AGAIN AGAINST PAC SOON ...
What the hell do you mean you hope JMM makes up his mind with what he wants to do?

He wants to fight Pacquiao, Barrera and Morales. Reread that article and learn to comprehend what is being stated. Whoever made the first post about Marquez moving up meant as in rising up as a fighter, not moving up in weight to avoid Pac, or that Marquez was indecisive about wanting to fight Pac. These are some excerpts from that article posted, of what Marquez said:

"I’m as good as Morales and Barrera, and just need a good promoter to get me fights against those guys to prove that I belong with the elite boxers of the world. I also want to finish my business with Manny Pacquiao because I know that I beat him. I’ll go up to super featherweight and meet those guys there." -JMM


"All I can do is continue to work hard, prepare myself, and I’m here to face any of the top fighters in the featherweight and super featherweight divisions." -JMM



I wanna see a rematch of JMM - Pac or Morales - Pac or Barrera - Pac (Barrera needs to redeem himself. There were a lot of distractions prior to the fight and it cost him. He didn't look the same. He was just going through the motions.)

As far as the JMM - Pac rematch goes. Too bad it fell through. I thought Marquez would have easily outboxed and reversed the tables on Pacquiao if they rematched. I don't think Pac would've gotten so lucky in the first round if they did rematch.

And Marquez apparently wouldn't have gotten the lion's share of the rematch purse (read the aforementioned article). His ****ty Top Rank promotion isn't giving Marquez his just due. I think he needs to drop Top Rank and get himself a promotional team that can get him paid so he can get it on with Pacquiao, Morales and Barrera without getting stiffed. These would all be good fights and we could decide once and for all who the best featherweight/super featherweight is out there.

And you know what, I can't say I blame Marquez for wanting the lion's share of the pie. He's pushing 30 yrs old and worked hard to make his bones in boxing, so to speak, with little reward for his hard-earned efforts. Naseem Hamed dodged him for years, and like that article noted, so did other top-caliber fighters. Pac hasn't made his bones in the sport like Marquez has, so Freddie Roach needs to learn how to negotiate like a reasonable person and give Marquez and Pac what they deserve financially speaking. After all, Marquez is the one with the titles, and Pacquiao is the challenger. It's a given, the champion deserves the lion's share of the purse, plain and simple. Either way, aside from all the negotiations and lip-smacking from Roach and all the Pac bandwagoners, I can't wait to see a rematch. I think it'll eventually happen, though I think a Morales rematch is more likely to happen, which I also want to see just as much.

czars_salad
04-19-2005, 09:30 PM
What the hell do you mean you hope JMM makes up his mind with what he wants to do?

He wants to fight Pacquiao, Barrera and Morales.
this is cheap talk. he refused to fight him remember? :p

Josh2k5
04-19-2005, 10:02 PM
this is cheap talk. he refused to fight him remember? :p

Marquez sat at the negotiation table ready and willing, as champion, to rematch Pacquiao, the challenger. Freddie Roach and company refused to give Marquez his just due, as is customary. Face it, Pacquiao's corner messed up the rematch negotiations, not Marquez.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-4/993721/sports10(Large).jpg

Pacquiao vs Barrera (Pacquiao beats a Barrera who was a shell of himself that night; not the same Barrera with the intensity that faced Morales or Hamed)

Pacquiao vs Marquez (Draw - but Marquez should have really won despite the knockdowns in the first. Marquez put on a clinic and set the bluprint for how to take care of Pacquiao and exposed him for the one-dimensional fighter he was.)

Pacquiao vs Morales (Unanimous Decision for Morales as he goes on to make mince meat of Pac's face after making him spit up his own blood.)

Pacquiao overall vs the legendary Mexican trio 1-1-1
Should really be 1-2

Looking forward to the rematches to shut up Pacquiao, Roach and his fans once and for all.

czars_salad
04-19-2005, 10:21 PM
Pacquiao vs Barrera (Pacquiao beats a Barrera who was a shell of himself that night; not the same Barrera with the intensity that faced Morales or Hamed)

now this is a nuthugging ***** :p

m00ks
04-19-2005, 10:27 PM
Marquez sat at the negotiation table ready and willing, as champion, to rematch Pacquiao, the challenger. Freddie Roach and company refused to give Marquez his just due, as is customary. Face it, Pacquiao's corner messed up the rematch negotiations, not Marquez.

Pacquiao vs Barrera (Pacquiao beats a Barrera who was a shell of himself that night; not the same Barrera with the intensity that faced Morales or Hamed)

Pacquiao vs Marquez (Draw - but Marquez should have really won despite the knockdowns in the first. Marquez put on a clinic and set the bluprint for how to take care of Pacquiao and exposed him for the one-dimensional fighter he was.)

Pacquiao vs Morales (Unanimous Decision for Morales as he goes on to make mince meat of Pac's face after making him spit up his own blood.)

Pacquiao overall vs the legendary Mexican trio 1-1-1
Should really be 1-2

Looking forward to the rematches to shut up Pacquiao, Roach and his fans once and for all.

Funny how you say Pacquiao's corner messed up and it's Maqruez who missed out on his payday lol. And please....if Marquez wanted a rematch that badly, he wouldn't have *****ed about his purse. I can understand him wanting more but don't come in here and start spitting out bull**** like it was Pac's camp's fault. The reason the rematch never took place was negotiations between HIM and HIS OWN PROMOTER Arum. Pac's purse was a guarantee by Murad and didn't involve no negotiations with Marquez.

Pacquiao-Barrera (Barerra wasn't 100% but he tried everything from slugging to boxing and nothing in his repertoire, not even his 15 year experience allowed him to win more than one round against a man who has his number. Saying he was nothing but a mere "shell" of himself is coming from a fan in denial. And now, he don't even want to redeem himself lol I understand him though hahaha)

Pacquiao-Marquez (Draw, Close fight, 3 point difference should have won it for Pac. One judge ADMITTED he ****ed up and still people are blinded by the "comeback hype", started seeing a hollywood movie ending and stopped watching the end of the fight).

Pacquiao-Morales (UD - Morales won hands down. Clear decision, no robbery).

Pacquaio vs mexican trio (1-1-1) when it should be (2-1).

Pac is like a thorn on a mexican's finger. 3 top mexicans of the past decade, took one filipino out of nowhere to drop 2 of them 3 times in their respective fights. lol

Looking forward to the rematches, so he can finally get the respect he deserves from everyone who's in denial like yourself :D

czars_salad
04-19-2005, 10:30 PM
Funny how you say Pacquiao's corner messed up and it's Maqruez who missed out on his payday lol. And please....if Marquez wanted a rematch that badly, he wouldn't have *****ed about his purse. I can understand him wanting more but don't come in here and start spitting out bull**** like it was Pac's camp's fault. The reason the rematch never took place was negotiations between HIM and HIS OWN PROMOTER Arum. Pac's purse was a guarantee by Murad and didn't involve no negotiations with Marquez.

Pacquiao-Barrera (Barerra wasn't 100% but he tried everything from slugging to boxing and nothing in his repertoire, not even his 15 year experience allowed him to win more than one round against a man who has his number. Saying he was nothing but a mere "shell" of himself is coming from a fan in denial. And now, he don't even want to redeem himself lol I understand him though hahaha)

Pacquiao-Marquez (Draw, Close fight, 3 point difference should have won it for Pac. One judge ADMITTED he ****ed up and still people are blinded by the "comeback hype", started seeing a hollywood movie ending and stopped watching the end of the fight).

Pacquiao-Morales (UD - Morales won hands down. Clear decision, no robbery).

Pacquaio vs mexican trio (1-1-1) when it should be (2-1).

Pac is like a thorn on a mexican's finger. 3 top mexicans of the past decade, took one filipino out of nowhere to drop 2 of them 3 times in their respective fights. lol

Looking forward to the rematches, so he can finally get the respect he deserves from everyone who's in denial like yourself :D
mooks scored a knocdown!!! Josh2k5 is bloodied and ran out of the ring :D

m00ks
04-19-2005, 11:15 PM
mooks scored a knocdown!!! Josh2k5 is bloodied and ran out of the ring :D

sarap patulan mga to pre :D

Josh2k5
04-20-2005, 12:39 AM
now this is a nuthugging ***** :p
That's all you can do like a little *****, write **** from your computer with your dumbass "nuthugger" crap. Everyone knows the biggest "nuthuggers" are filipinos with all their Pacquiao bull****.

All you blind Pacquiao toadies were the same ones making ridiculous claims that Pacquiao would KO Morales in round 1 and other nonsense like that. You believed your own hype about an overrated, one-dimensional Pacquiao. Reading all your bull**** threads, I noticed you Pac dick lickers were trying to make Pacquiao out to be a legend on par with the greatest all time featherweights/jr lightweights, claiming a bunch of other nonsense also. Get off your own sack.

But from your point of view, I could understand why you talk **** about other fighters and try to pump up your own guy -- because that's all you have. On the other hand Barrera, Morales, Marquez, believe it or not are not the best or even the only good Mexican boxers to dominate. There were better before them and there will be better after them in all likelihood. Legends nonetheless in their own right, but by no means the only good Mexican boxers.

+= El Jefe=+
04-20-2005, 01:15 AM
ohh this is not gonna be pretty

THRILLAinmanila
04-20-2005, 01:41 AM
That's all you can do like a little *****, write **** from your computer with your dumbass "nuthugger" crap. Everyone knows the biggest "nuthuggers" are filipinos with all their Pacquiao bull****.

All you blind Pacquiao toadies were the same ones making ridiculous claims that Pacquiao would KO Morales in round 1 and other nonsense like that. You believed your own hype about an overrated, one-dimensional Pacquiao. Reading all your bull**** threads, I noticed you Pac dick lickers were trying to make Pacquiao out to be a legend on par with the greatest all time featherweights/jr lightweights, claiming a bunch of other nonsense also. Get off your own sack.

But from your point of view, I could understand why you talk **** about other fighters and try to pump up your own guy -- because that's all you have. On the other hand Barrera, Morales, Marquez, believe it or not are not the best or even the only good Mexican boxers to dominate. There were better before them and there will be better after them in all likelihood. Legends nonetheless in their own right, but by no means the only good Mexican boxers.

First of all, DO NOT , NEVER generalize statements like "all you Filipino nuthuggers", etc...We stand for our boxer, yes. And we have learned a lesson or two after the fight with Erik. Pac is still not a legend, yes we realize that. But who is to say he will never be someday? Barrera and you can drum up all the excuses in the world why he lost to Pac, but the fact is : PAC BEAT HIM. And as Erik beat Pac, we accept that and make no universal claims that Erik caught him on a bad night like Barrera is claiming.

Second of all, JMM can claim he won the fight with Pac. But Pac can claim that one as well. So I guess a draw is poetic justice, for now. Come back to us once JMM OFFICIALLY beats Pac.

Thirdly, trash talking is not unusual, especially in forums like these. That does not mean we do not respect the 3 Mexican greats, two of whom will surely become hall of famers. You ought to respect a current P4P top ten like Pac,who has chosen to mix it up with the current Mexican big 3. If that does not earn your respect then you do not understand the word at all. The way I see it, you are letting your own emotions get the better of logical argument here.

xrhythmxnxbluesx
04-20-2005, 01:52 AM
damn this how the forum was way back... har har... but i'm a fellow pinoy... and for folks to say that we are all nuthuggers is bull.. we're juss standing there for our fellow countrymen... we aint never trash talking the best three mexico boxers of the moment... and without pac.. we wouldnt have seen three great fights...

THRILLAinmanila
04-20-2005, 02:21 AM
Minsan ko lang ginagawa eto,pero tingin ko dapat paulanan natin ng pula ang hinayupak na ito. Kabago-bago e ang bigat ng inaasta......

nelsoncm
04-20-2005, 02:46 AM
That's all you can do like a little *****, write **** from your computer with your dumbass "nuthugger" crap. Everyone knows the biggest "nuthuggers" are filipinos with all their Pacquiao bull****.

All you blind Pacquiao toadies were the same ones making ridiculous claims that Pacquiao would KO Morales in round 1 and other nonsense like that. You believed your own hype about an overrated, one-dimensional Pacquiao. Reading all your bull**** threads, I noticed you Pac dick lickers were trying to make Pacquiao out to be a legend on par with the greatest all time featherweights/jr lightweights, claiming a bunch of other nonsense also. Get off your own sack.

But from your point of view, I could understand why you talk **** about other fighters and try to pump up your own guy -- because that's all you have. On the other hand Barrera, Morales, Marquez, believe it or not are not the best or even the only good Mexican boxers to dominate. There were better before them and there will be better after them in all likelihood. Legends nonetheless in their own right, but by no means the only good Mexican boxers.


Are you serious about guys dick licking Pac's nuts? I thought only ****** gays like you speak such moronic, irresponsible statements.
You must have taken it from your own experience of licking JMM's dick too.
Look at your boxing history, you ****. Look how many Asians ever get a title shot. If they were given their fair share, they could have either slaughtered your gods or given them a run for their belts.
I can understand how racists like you continue to post replies like yours. You're a 50 year old man with a 2 year old brain.

nelsoncm
04-20-2005, 02:47 AM
Minsan ko lang ginagawa eto,pero tingin ko dapat paulanan natin ng pula ang hinayupak na ito. Kabago-bago e ang bigat ng inaasta......
Sinimulan ko na tol. Binugahan ko na ng tae.

nelsoncm
04-20-2005, 02:48 AM
ohh this is not gonna be pretty

You're right it won't. Someone started another racist reply again.

JOM'S
04-20-2005, 03:23 AM
That's all you can do like a little *****, write **** from your computer with your dumbass "nuthugger" crap. Everyone knows the biggest "nuthuggers" are filipinos with all their Pacquiao bull****.

All you blind Pacquiao toadies were the same ones making ridiculous claims that Pacquiao would KO Morales in round 1 and other nonsense like that. You believed your own hype about an overrated, one-dimensional Pacquiao. Reading all your bull**** threads, I noticed you Pac dick lickers were trying to make Pacquiao out to be a legend on par with the greatest all time featherweights/jr lightweights, claiming a bunch of other nonsense also. Get off your own sack.

But from your point of view, I could understand why you talk **** about other fighters and try to pump up your own guy -- because that's all you have. On the other hand Barrera, Morales, Marquez, believe it or not are not the best or even the only good Mexican boxers to dominate. There were better before them and there will be better after them in all likelihood. Legends nonetheless in their own right, but by no means the only good Mexican boxers.


its really funny those guys who call people nuthuggers are REALLY NUTHUGGERS THEMSELVES ...

don't generalize buddy we Filipino Boxing Fans have been around a lot longer than you think and if you look up your boxing history, PAC is not yet the greatest Filipino or Asian Figther,
2 of the first Asian Boxing Hall of Famers are Filipinos, Legends in their own right ...

trashtalking is part of it all just like what you are doing now..

I WANT JMM TO MAKE UP HIS MIND AND FIGHT PAC PLAIN AND SIMPLE, HE SHOULD HAVE FOUGHT HIM EARLY THIS YEAR INSTEAD OF MORALES BUT HE PRICED HIMSELF TO HIGH, IF HE REALLY THINKS HE CAN BEAT PAC THEN GO FIGHT AND BEAT PAC THEN HE CAN GO AFTER THE BIG BUCKS ...

kadyo
04-20-2005, 03:29 AM
Nanakbo na yata nag kupal na si josh. Si thrilla me kasalanan dahil binigyan nya ng good karma!! bwahahahaha!!!! :D

xrhythmxnxbluesx
04-20-2005, 03:32 AM
yea thats true.. and i met another filipino great... in lusito espinosa...in san francisco.. he use to train at the same gym i was at... and we always talk since i was one of the few filipinos therre...and back than he talked about a guy name manny and said he is going to be the next rising superstar in boxing... and it turned out to be many pacquiao...

JOM'S
04-20-2005, 03:33 AM
Nanakbo na yata nag kupal na si josh. Si thrilla me kasalanan dahil binigyan nya ng good karma!! bwahahahaha!!!! :D

WTF, Thrilla giving this guy GOOD KARMA ...

I HOPE ALL PINOYS HERE IN BS GIVES HIM BAD KARMA FOR BADMOUTHING FILIPINOS IN GENERAL ...

kepsy
04-20-2005, 03:34 AM
That's all you can do like a little *****, write **** from your computer with your dumbass "nuthugger" crap.
touche.....

The trash talking between the Filipinos and Mexicans on this board were done because most of the Mexicans here are cool with the Filipinos and vice versa. Give or take a few true annoying nuthuggers on both sides, it was all friendly ribbings newbie. Most of them are intelligent enough to see through that, unfortunately you're not one of them. It actually made the fight more exciting to see after all the build-up.
Don't come in here and start calling people names when you don't even know the background between the users on the board, you ignorant bastard.

THRILLAinmanila
04-20-2005, 03:35 AM
Apparently josh does not know his boxing history.
I bet he doesn't know about Pancho Villa and the great
Flash Elorde, two Filipino boxers currently enshrined in the
International Boxing Hall of Fame. :rolleyes:

THRILLAinmanila
04-20-2005, 03:36 AM
WTF, Thrilla giving this guy GOOD KARMA ...

I HOPE ALL PINOYS HERE IN BS GIVES HIM BAD KARMA FOR BADMOUTHING FILIPINOS IN GENERAL ...

Yeah my BIG mistake :eek: too excited to give the ******* bad karma ......

Josh2k5
04-20-2005, 03:47 AM
Funny how you say Pacquiao's corner messed up and it's Maqruez who missed out on his payday lol. And please....if Marquez wanted a rematch that badly, he wouldn't have *****ed about his purse.

Marquez didn't miss out on a payday. That's what he was negotiating to get, a payday a fighter of his caliber is worth.

Here's an excerpt from that article:

And those “top fights” and “bigger purses” are the responsibility of Marquez’s promoter, Top Rank, who the pugilist blames for his shortcomings. “Top Rank has held me back and not given me the promotional attention that I deserve. I blame them for me and my brother, Rafael’s, careers not being where they should be. A lot of people claim that I was asking for too much money for a rematch with Pacquiao, and it was my fault that the fight was not made, but I was not asking for more than a fighter of my quality deserves. I’m not asking for all of the pearls in the sea; just want what I’m worth. Although I’m making less money for the fight against Polo than what I was going to get for a rematch with Pacquiao, I’m still satisfied because I did not give in to them (Top Rank) and stood my ground. -- JMM

And again, Marquez isn't ducking Pacquiao. He wants a rematch and is willing to go up in weight to fight him:

"I also want to finish my business with Manny Pacquiao because I know that I beat him. I’ll go up to super featherweight and meet those guys there." -- JMM


I can understand him wanting more but don't come in here and start spitting out bull**** like it was Pac's camp's fault. The reason the rematch never took place was negotiations between HIM and HIS OWN PROMOTER Arum. Pac's purse was a guarantee by Murad and didn't involve no negotiations with Marquez.

I'd figure at some point in the negotiations for splitting the revenue from PPV dollars, Roach and Pac's corner would have some say in what their take is, but assuming that weren't the case, I'll concede it might've been strictly Top Rank's fault for negotiations falling through. But even if Freddy Roach's big-mouthed ass isn't the catalyst for the contract dispute, the fact remains: Marquez is the WBA/IBF champion and Pacquiao is the challenger. It's generally accepted that the champion gets the lion's share of the purse. And obviously that's not what's happening.

Pacquiao-Barrera (Barerra wasn't 100% but he tried everything from slugging to boxing and nothing in his repertoire, not even his 15 year experience allowed him to win more than one round against a man who has his number. Saying he was nothing but a mere "shell" of himself is coming from a fan in denial. And now, he don't even want to redeem himself lol I understand him though hahaha)

Barrera looked unmotivated and didn't fight the way he usually does and should have, especially against a hungry Pacquiao. I still give Pac credit for his part in beating a lacluster Barrera, but I think a hungrier Barrera would hammer Pacquiao with his superior boxing skills and "phone booth" exchanges. Here's an excerpt from a take on Barrera -- contrasting his fight with Paulie Ayala to his fight with Pacquiao:

Looking back through the lens of history and in the context of Barrera's performance last Saturday against Ayala some things are starting to become clear about Barrera's performance. Things that weren't so clear in the days and weeks following Pacquiao's veritable destruction of "The Baby Faced Assassin".

It's true, he looked slower than Pacquiao. Pacquiao looked hungrier and tougher. Manny clearly and distinctly unleashed all hell on Barrera.

But Barrera showed hunger on Saturday night. He came in ready, focused and with one thing in mind: to knock out Paulie Ayala. And he did. Where was the hunger in the Pacquiao fight?

In the immediate days leading up to the Pacquiao fight Barrera had some very serious distractions. Most obvious were the revelations that Marco had been fighting, not to mention living, with a metal plate in his head as a result of a medical procedure done in Mexico City back in 1995.

Barrera had fought 16 times since the procedure, had been examined by the boxing authorities and was cleared to fight.

At the same time all this was going on Barrera and his camp had to evacuate Big Bear and finish training camp in San Antonio as a result of the wildfires that struck California in the last week of October 2003.

All this happened in the few weeks leading up to the fight

-- http://www.talkingboxing.com/articles/mcmanusjune24.html

I read in some Manila sources some claims of some negotiation talks of a possible Barrera - Pacquiao rematch around September. I don't know about the credence to those claims, and I think that was before the Morales - Pacquiao match, so who really knows. I hope it's true. With Marquez setting the blueprint for beating Pacquiao and on the heels of a Morales beating of Pacquiao, I think Barrera would be willing to rematch Pacquiao more so than you think. You seem to think everyone is dodging Pacquiao. I just wanna see Pacquiao rematch any of the Mexican trio 'cause I know they can beat him handidly.

Pacquiao-Marquez (Draw, Close fight, 3 point difference should have won it for Pac. One judge ADMITTED he ****ed up and still people are blinded by the "comeback hype", started seeing a hollywood movie ending and stopped watching the end of the fight).

From the same source I listed above, here's an excerpt on what a lot of people, including myself, think about the Marquez - Pacquiao fight and a possible rematch:

First, let's explore the merits of a Pacquiao-Marquez rematch in relation to the other two possible fights.

The truth is that if most fans honestly assess the Pacquiao-Marquez fight they will have to admit that Marquez will probably win the rematch. At least he should be considered the betting favorite based on his performance in that fight.

There is very, very little chance that he would come out semi-cold and get caught and overwhelmed by the Pacquiao power again. Not a second time.

Many people felt that Marquez won 9 of the 12 rounds and even with the 10-6 score in the 1st round did enough to pull out the win by a score of 113-112.

Pacquiao-Morales (UD - Morales won hands down. Clear decision, no robbery).

Pacquaio vs mexican trio (1-1-1) when it should be (2-1).

Pac is like a thorn on a mexican's finger. 3 top mexicans of the past decade, took one filipino out of nowhere to drop 2 of them 3 times in their respective fights. lol

Again, Pacquiao could have easily been and should be IMO 1-2. And when Marquez rematches Pacquiao, it's very likely he'll avenge that draw and beat him (again).

I think Pacquiao is overrated and one-dimensional. I will give Pacquiao this -- he's doing the right thing by going for broke and fighting those big names. If he's to have any chance at making a name for himself as a great fighter, he's gonna have to go through them. And right now at 1-1-1 he needs to do more to eliminate any doubt that he's the best feather/super feather that Roach and company claim he is, and by the looks of his last fight, it doesn't seem likely he'll go any further than this. If anything, it's all downhill from here for him.

Looking forward to the rematches, so he can finally get the respect he deserves from everyone who's in denial like yourself :D

I think I'd give Pacquiao a little more respect than I'm giving him now, but as long as ****-talkers like yourself keep running your crap and deluding yourselves, I'll reserve my respect for better fighters that deserve it.

bongkoy
04-20-2005, 03:51 AM
I HOPE ALL PINOYS HERE IN BS GIVES HIM BAD KARMA FOR BADMOUTHING FILIPINOS IN GENERAL ...

done...
nagtago na ang kumag, naglabasan na ang mga pinoy. :)

Josh2k5
04-20-2005, 03:55 AM
mooks scored a knocdown!!! Josh2k5 is bloodied and ran out of the ring :D
Only in Pacquiao lala land, where anything can happen, where Pacquiao is the hardest hitter of all time and he's the greatest ever p4p fighter. :rolleyes:

rpmjr78
04-20-2005, 04:33 AM
What the hell do you mean you hope JMM makes up his mind with what he wants to do?

He wants to fight Pacquiao, Barrera and Morales. Reread that article and learn to comprehend what is being stated. Whoever made the first post about Marquez moving up meant as in rising up as a fighter, not moving up in weight to avoid Pac, or that Marquez was indecisive about wanting to fight Pac. These are some excerpts from that article posted, of what Marquez said:

"I’m as good as Morales and Barrera, and just need a good promoter to get me fights against those guys to prove that I belong with the elite boxers of the world. I also want to finish my business with Manny Pacquiao because I know that I beat him. I’ll go up to super featherweight and meet those guys there." -JMM


"All I can do is continue to work hard, prepare myself, and I’m here to face any of the top fighters in the featherweight and super featherweight divisions." -JMM



I wanna see a rematch of JMM - Pac or Morales - Pac or Barrera - Pac (Barrera needs to redeem himself. There were a lot of distractions prior to the fight and it cost him. He didn't look the same. He was just going through the motions.)

As far as the JMM - Pac rematch goes. Too bad it fell through. I thought Marquez would have easily outboxed and reversed the tables on Pacquiao if they rematched. I don't think Pac would've gotten so lucky in the first round if they did rematch.

And Marquez apparently wouldn't have gotten the lion's share of the rematch purse (read the aforementioned article). His ****ty Top Rank promotion isn't giving Marquez his just due. I think he needs to drop Top Rank and get himself a promotional team that can get him paid so he can get it on with Pacquiao, Morales and Barrera without getting stiffed. These would all be good fights and we could decide once and for all who the best featherweight/super featherweight is out there.

And you know what, I can't say I blame Marquez for wanting the lion's share of the pie. He's pushing 30 yrs old and worked hard to make his bones in boxing, so to speak, with little reward for his hard-earned efforts. Naseem Hamed dodged him for years, and like that article noted, so did other top-caliber fighters. Pac hasn't made his bones in the sport like Marquez has, so Freddie Roach needs to learn how to negotiate like a reasonable person and give Marquez and Pac what they deserve financially speaking. After all, Marquez is the one with the titles, and Pacquiao is the challenger. It's a given, the champion deserves the lion's share of the purse, plain and simple. Either way, aside from all the negotiations and lip-smacking from Roach and all the Pac bandwagoners, I can't wait to see a rematch. I think it'll eventually happen, though I think a Morales rematch is more likely to happen, which I also want to see just as much.
Freddie Roach and company refused to give Marquez his just due, as is customary. -Josh2k5

Beltholders don't always get the bigger paycheck, the bigger draw gets the bigger paycheck. There's way too many belts for money to get awarded by belts. ****, they don't even need belts anymore. Barrera used to never keep his belts and didn't give a ****. And I don't know any pac fans who thought manny would win in the first. Sounds like you said it.

Just remember, erik morales requested the ***** gloves, not manny. Mexican honor code says he has to fight with the Reyes now.

And what the hell up with JMM not getting a shot at his countrymen? Pac fought all three 'legends' in a ****ing row, and got 4 knockdowns versus 0 times down for him. You got to give him props for that.

Josh2k5
04-20-2005, 05:28 AM
Beltholders don't always get the bigger paycheck, the bigger draw gets the bigger paycheck. There's way too many belts for money to get awarded by belts. ****, they don't even need belts anymore. Barrera used to never keep his belts and didn't give a ****. And I don't know any pac fans who thought manny would win in the first. Sounds like you said it.
Bull****, the 3 major belts (2 of which Marquez has) are what determine the champions from the contenders. And it's generally known and accepted, whoever has them gets the lion's share of the take. Just like when a contender fights a champion, he has to take it to the champ, not the other way around. And in JMM's case he's been slighted for so long and was asking for his take as a champ. I don't see anything wrong with that. So you're wrong. The champion dictates the terms not the challenger.

There's too many flames from your fellow countrymen to respond to them individually, so I'll just respond to all the haters on this post. First off "czar salad" started up the flame war with his "***** nuthugger" post. And it's obvious on this board there's a lot of underlying racism going on. Don't even act like filipino's aren't getting in on it either. I may have made a generalization but I didn't make any racist posts like a lot of the haters are claiming. And I'm not stupid I know we're all gonna support our own kind. And I made a generalization but it was my opinion -- based on what I've read on this board and other boards the majority of filipino posts I've read were ****-talking and made exaggerated claims.

And btw I do have respect for filipinos, and was cool with em, but I'm not about to respect where respect isn't given.

Rifo a mi gente y si no te gusta te meto mi cuete en tu ojete.

Just remember, erik morales requested the ***** gloves, not manny. Mexican honor code says he has to fight with the Reyes now.
That's another crybaby excuse you conspiracy theorists use because you can't accept the fact that Pac got beat. Like Roy Jones Jr. said in his commentary of the fight, the gloves they had in their match wasn't even an issue like Merchant was yammering about. I'll take Roy Jones Jr.'s word for it over Larry Merchant's. Jones speaks from experience. They were both using the same type of 14 oz. regulation gloves and they both had the capability to do their damage in the ring. And someone else had posted about this on another thread -- Pacquiao himself admitted that the gloves they used were a non-issue. It's only conspiracy theorists like yourself that can't accept defeat that use that as a crutch for Pacquiao's loss. And Morales is a hard hitter himself, if they were to use some sort of 5 oz gloves (14 oz is the minimum as I understand it), Morales would be inflicting his own damage on Pacquiao and would dispatch of him even faster. I hope next time they fight in Reyes so it won't even be used as a crutch by all the Pac conspiracy theorists any more.


And what the hell up with JMM not getting a shot at his countrymen? Pac fought all three 'legends' in a ****ing row, and got 4 knockdowns versus 0 times down for him. You got to give him props for that.
I guess Barrera and Morales were looking for bigger paydays with names that were in the limelight (pre-Marquez-Pacquiao).

And Pac was getting rocked and he wobbled several times against Marquez. I just wonder what more he would have done if he didn't have to regain his bearings after the 3 knockdowns in the first. Even then, he showed a lot of heart coming back and putting a whipping on Pacquiao. And against Morales, your boy was spitting up blood by the 3rd and he got the right side of his face looking like a crimson mask, as I read one writer put it. So Pac didn't exactly go through all 3 of them without a hitch. He won one, drew with one (which I thought he should've lost on points), and lost one. And along the way, he took a worse beating each time.

And I already wrote in my other post, he's doing the right thing by fighting the top names in the division(s). And I can't wait till they rematch again. Pac will get exposed again, and again, and again.

Chadmack
04-20-2005, 06:50 AM
Bull****, the 3 major belts (2 of which Marquez has) are what determine the champions from the contenders. And it's generally known and accepted, whoever has them gets the lion's share of the take. Just like when a contender fights a champion, he has to take it to the champ, not the other way around. And in JMM's case he's been slighted for so long and was asking for his take as a champ. I don't see anything wrong with that. So you're wrong. The champion dictates the terms not the challenger.

now this is bull****, have you heard of the fight between ODLH vs BHOP? ohhh, thats Oscar De La Hoya vs Bernard Hopkins, just in case you dont know any of them... Who got the lions share on that??? ODLH! BHop was the holder of the 3 major belts, namely, WBA Middleweight Title, WBC Middleweight Title, and the IBF Middleweight Title, while ODLH holds the WBO Middleweight Title(for beating sturm). ODLH got the lion share on that and what a lion share it was, while BHop got only 25% of what ODLH took. DAMN, ACCORDING TO YOU, BHOP SHOULD HAVE HAD THE LIONSHARE ON THAT BOUT, BUT HECK, BELTS DONT DICTATE THE MONEY TERMS HERE, THIS IS PROFESSIONAL BOXING BRO ...

are you JMM himself? ronnie nathanielz perhaps? murad, is that you?

nelsoncm
04-20-2005, 07:15 AM
JMM can't dictate how much he receives from HBO or Showtime because he's just too good and technically sound above everyone else, or in short, boring.
If he's not in demand, then surely he doesn't deserve that much. Most experts' observation is correct: He priced himself way too high. He is not EM or MAB. Never in his lifetime.

m00ks
04-20-2005, 06:19 PM
Weak...


Marquez didn't miss out on a payday. That's what he was negotiating to get, a payday a fighter of his caliber is worth.


He didn't miss out on a payday? Wtf are you on? He missed out on 750 000 dollars, that's what he missed out on.

Here's an excerpt from that article:

And those “top fights” and “bigger purses” are the responsibility of Marquez’s promoter, Top Rank, who the pugilist blames for his shortcomings. “Top Rank has held me back and not given me the promotional attention that I deserve. I blame them for me and my brother, Rafael’s, careers not being where they should be. A lot of people claim that I was asking for too much money for a rematch with Pacquiao, and it was my fault that the fight was not made, but I was not asking for more than a fighter of my quality deserves. I’m not asking for all of the pearls in the sea; just want what I’m worth. Although I’m making less money for the fight against Polo than what I was going to get for a rematch with Pacquiao, I’m still satisfied because I did not give in to them (Top Rank) and stood my ground. -- JMM


Top Rank isn't holding him back, he's just not marketable and he's too damn hardheaded to realize that. ANY promoter would have a hard time marketing JMM with his counterpunching snoozer style. HE'S NOT A DRAW, case and point. No matter how many promoters he goes through, or how many fights he wins, the public cannot and will not fall in love with him unless he lets his hands go, and that's something he will never do. You'd think with the constant booing he gets in his fights, he'd get the point.


And again, Marquez isn't ducking Pacquiao. He wants a rematch and is willing to go up in weight to fight him:

"I also want to finish my business with Manny Pacquiao because I know that I beat him. I’ll go up to super featherweight and meet those guys there." -- JMM

No he's not ducking Pacquiao, but he's become too unreasonable with his demands. Wtf was he thinking asking for double what was offered to him when he can't put asses in seats. And if he wants to rematch Pac at 130, he can throw all negotiations out the window, cuz he ain't no champ at superfeather. So if he tries to make ridiculous demands like that again and the rematch don't push through, that'll be his fault and his alone.

Barrera looked unmotivated and didn't fight the way he usually does and should have, especially against a hungry Pacquiao. I still give Pac credit for his part in beating a lacluster Barrera, but I think a hungrier Barrera would hammer Pacquiao with his superior boxing skills and "phone booth" exchanges. Here's an excerpt from a take on Barrera -- contrasting his fight with Paulie Ayala to his fight with Pacquiao:

A hungrier Barrera would not hammer Pacquiao in a rematch even if he does posses superior boxing skills. Phone booth exchanges? He did that early in their fight and he got battered like meat with Pac's faster fists. Something your forgetting about your boy, he's prone to straight shots (Junior Jones ring a bell) and guess what Pac's bread and butter is? Left straight down the pipe...In a rematch, you don't think Pac would be equally hungry having lost to Morales? Listen, Pac would always be the faster, younger, fresher fighter and he has Barrera's number because his style fits perfectly with the latter. Simple as that. The truth is hard to swallow...


Looking back through the lens of history and in the context of Barrera's performance last Saturday against Ayala some things are starting to become clear about Barrera's performance. Things that weren't so clear in the days and weeks following Pacquiao's veritable destruction of "The Baby Faced Assassin".

It's true, he looked slower than Pacquiao. Pacquiao looked hungrier and tougher. Manny clearly and distinctly unleashed all hell on Barrera.

But Barrera showed hunger on Saturday night. He came in ready, focused and with one thing in mind: to knock out Paulie Ayala. And he did. Where was the hunger in the Pacquiao fight?

In the immediate days leading up to the Pacquiao fight Barrera had some very serious distractions. Most obvious were the revelations that Marco had been fighting, not to mention living, with a metal plate in his head as a result of a medical procedure done in Mexico City back in 1995.

Barrera had fought 16 times since the procedure, had been examined by the boxing authorities and was cleared to fight.

At the same time all this was going on Barrera and his camp had to evacuate Big Bear and finish training camp in San Antonio as a result of the wildfires that struck California in the last week of October 2003.

All this happened in the few weeks leading up to the fight

You've got to be ****ing with me if you're comparing a shot feather-fisted Ayala with Pacquiao. LOL you know you people crack me up. You're so quick to jump on us Pac fans about excuses, but Marco's are apparently acceptable to you lmao. Pac's glove issue was an excuse and FOREST FIRES were concrete reasons? LOLOLOL. Complete and utter ignorance....

I read in some Manila sources some claims of some negotiation talks of a possible Barrera - Pacquiao rematch around September. I don't know about the credence to those claims, and I think that was before the Morales - Pacquiao match, so who really knows. I hope it's true. With Marquez setting the blueprint for beating Pacquiao and on the heels of a Morales beating of Pacquiao, I think Barrera would be willing to rematch Pacquiao more so than you think. You seem to think everyone is dodging Pacquiao. I just wanna see Pacquiao rematch any of the Mexican trio 'cause I know they can beat him handidly.

Barerra said it himself he did not want to fight Pacquiao because according to him, it would be "pointless", that people would say Morales "softened him up". Which is bull**** of course.
The only person dodging Pac in my opinion is Barrera. His comments speak for itself.


From the same source I listed above, here's an excerpt on what a lot of people, including myself, think about the Marquez - Pacquiao fight and a possible rematch:

[I]First, let's explore the merits of a Pacquiao-Marquez rematch in relation to the other two possible fights.

The truth is that if most fans honestly assess the Pacquiao-Marquez fight they will have to admit that Marquez will probably win the rematch. At least he should be considered the betting favorite based on his performance in that fight.

There is very, very little chance that he would come out semi-cold and get caught and overwhelmed by the Pacquiao power again. Not a second time.

Many people felt that Marquez won 9 of the 12 rounds and even with the 10-6 score in the 1st round did enough to pull out the win by a score of 113-112.

Again, Pacquiao could have easily been and should be IMO 1-2. And when Marquez rematches Pacquiao, it's very likely he'll avenge that draw and beat him (again).

Many people felt Marquez won 9 out of 12 rounds including you so he should be 1-2? Another example of prime time comedy. It's stupid for any one to think Manny only won 3 rounds in that fight. And if that's the case, they're hugging on Marquez' balls like theres no tommorrow. Like I said, you all got sucked into the "comeback hype" and stopped watching the fight. All NEUTRAL boxing experts said it was a close fight and you apprarently saw a blowout? PFfffffff, this is boxing not a movie. As thrillainmanila said, the FACT is he's 1-1-1. You can hope, you can pray, **** you can even close your eyes and believe but he'd still be 1-1-1.


I think I'd give Pacquiao a little more respect than I'm giving him now, but as long as ****-talkers like yourself keep running your crap and deluding yourselves, I'll reserve my respect for better fighters that deserve it.

Get this straight. I've always given the 3 M's respect that they deserve. But when idiots like you denies Pac of his dues and, I'll talk **** back. You should be thankfull that Pac's giving you exciting fights but you can't even see that fact you're so blind. And next time you wanna argue with me kid, stop quoting articles and form you're own arguments. Cuz these articles are just another man's opinion to me and I'll gladly tread on them with my own :cool:

{BrownBomber}
04-20-2005, 07:36 PM
**** all I got to say is you guys have toooooooooo much time on your hands.

Ill just wait calmly wait for the rematches.
After watching the Erik-Pac fight there is no doubt in who will win all the rematches.
There was a comment made a while ago that said Pac will burn threw Mexico. I always said he was the gonna get burned.
I think now Pac is gonna get torched.

kadyo
04-20-2005, 08:47 PM
**** all I got to say is you guys have toooooooooo much time on your hands.

Ill just wait calmly wait for the rematches.
After watching the Erik-Pac fight there is no doubt in who will win all the rematches.
There was a comment made a while ago that said Pac will burn threw Mexico. I always said he was the gonna get burned.
I think now Pac is gonna get torched.

We'll wait for the rematch. In the mean time let me just watch the two vidas in your sig. Damn, she's hot hot hot !!!! :dance:

{BrownBomber}
04-20-2005, 08:49 PM
We'll wait for the rematch. In the mean time let me just watch the two vidas in your sig. Damn, she's hot hot hot !!!! :dance:
Be carefull u could get burned also! :D

kadyo
04-20-2005, 08:53 PM
Be carefull u could get burned also! :D

Burned and about to get wet :D

Joaquin_Adriel
04-20-2005, 08:58 PM
Hey guys i think we should not under estimate the capabilitiies :boxing: of JMM because he woudnt not be a champ for nothing. Maybe PACMAN drop him 3 times in the 1st round. However, after that pacman did nothing. JMM showed that he has a lot of heart to give that is why he did not quit and fight until the end of the rounds. Although there are controversey about that fight but for me "Boxing is Boxing" & "Sports is a Sports" you'll never know what will happen in the end. If JMM wants to have a rematch w/ the man they called Mexican Assasin then give him a chance its time for them to settle all the unfinished business and see whos really the best. but whatever the putcome of that fight they should accept it like a real man. There is no need for EXCUSES this time.

C'mon Let's get it on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

{BrownBomber}
04-20-2005, 09:09 PM
Burned and about to get wet :D
Who's the girl on your avatar?

kadyo
04-20-2005, 09:16 PM
Who's the girl on your avatar?

You know her of course. Now, am I teasing you? :D

AIR_KENG
04-20-2005, 10:05 PM
Whoever made the first post about Marquez moving up meant as in rising up as a fighter, not moving up in weight to avoid Pac, or that Marquez was indecisive about wanting to fight Pac.

well dude, i meant he was moving up in weight, and not rising up as a fighter... moving up in boxing is generally known as moving up in weight, IMO... he was indecisive, i agree with jomapac because he said he's not moving up in weight before then now he wants to move up...

AIR_KENG
04-20-2005, 10:15 PM
Marquez didn't miss out on a payday. That's what he was negotiating to get, a payday a fighter of his caliber is worth.

Here's an excerpt from that article:

And those “top fights” and “bigger purses” are the responsibility of Marquez’s promoter, Top Rank, who the pugilist blames for his shortcomings. “Top Rank has held me back and not given me the promotional attention that I deserve. I blame them for me and my brother, Rafael’s, careers not being where they should be. A lot of people claim that I was asking for too much money for a rematch with Pacquiao, and it was my fault that the fight was not made, but I was not asking for more than a fighter of my quality deserves. I’m not asking for all of the pearls in the sea; just want what I’m worth. Although I’m making less money for the fight against Polo than what I was going to get for a rematch with Pacquiao, I’m still satisfied because I did not give in to them (Top Rank) and stood my ground. -- JMM

And again, Marquez isn't ducking Pacquiao. He wants a rematch and is willing to go up in weight to fight him:

"I also want to finish my business with Manny Pacquiao because I know that I beat him. I’ll go up to super featherweight and meet those guys there." -- JMM




I'd figure at some point in the negotiations for splitting the revenue from PPV dollars, Roach and Pac's corner would have some say in what their take is, but assuming that weren't the case, I'll concede it might've been strictly Top Rank's fault for negotiations falling through. But even if Freddy Roach's big-mouthed ass isn't the catalyst for the contract dispute, the fact remains: Marquez is the WBA/IBF champion and Pacquiao is the challenger. It's generally accepted that the champion gets the lion's share of the purse. And obviously that's not what's happening.



Barrera looked unmotivated and didn't fight the way he usually does and should have, especially against a hungry Pacquiao. I still give Pac credit for his part in beating a lacluster Barrera, but I think a hungrier Barrera would hammer Pacquiao with his superior boxing skills and "phone booth" exchanges. Here's an excerpt from a take on Barrera -- contrasting his fight with Paulie Ayala to his fight with Pacquiao:

Looking back through the lens of history and in the context of Barrera's performance last Saturday against Ayala some things are starting to become clear about Barrera's performance. Things that weren't so clear in the days and weeks following Pacquiao's veritable destruction of "The Baby Faced Assassin".

It's true, he looked slower than Pacquiao. Pacquiao looked hungrier and tougher. Manny clearly and distinctly unleashed all hell on Barrera.

But Barrera showed hunger on Saturday night. He came in ready, focused and with one thing in mind: to knock out Paulie Ayala. And he did. Where was the hunger in the Pacquiao fight?

In the immediate days leading up to the Pacquiao fight Barrera had some very serious distractions. Most obvious were the revelations that Marco had been fighting, not to mention living, with a metal plate in his head as a result of a medical procedure done in Mexico City back in 1995.

Barrera had fought 16 times since the procedure, had been examined by the boxing authorities and was cleared to fight.

At the same time all this was going on Barrera and his camp had to evacuate Big Bear and finish training camp in San Antonio as a result of the wildfires that struck California in the last week of October 2003.

All this happened in the few weeks leading up to the fight

-- http://www.talkingboxing.com/articles/mcmanusjune24.html

I read in some Manila sources some claims of some negotiation talks of a possible Barrera - Pacquiao rematch around September. I don't know about the credence to those claims, and I think that was before the Morales - Pacquiao match, so who really knows. I hope it's true. With Marquez setting the blueprint for beating Pacquiao and on the heels of a Morales beating of Pacquiao, I think Barrera would be willing to rematch Pacquiao more so than you think. You seem to think everyone is dodging Pacquiao. I just wanna see Pacquiao rematch any of the Mexican trio 'cause I know they can beat him handidly.



From the same source I listed above, here's an excerpt on what a lot of people, including myself, think about the Marquez - Pacquiao fight and a possible rematch:

First, let's explore the merits of a Pacquiao-Marquez rematch in relation to the other two possible fights.

The truth is that if most fans honestly assess the Pacquiao-Marquez fight they will have to admit that Marquez will probably win the rematch. At least he should be considered the betting favorite based on his performance in that fight.

There is very, very little chance that he would come out semi-cold and get caught and overwhelmed by the Pacquiao power again. Not a second time.

Many people felt that Marquez won 9 of the 12 rounds and even with the 10-6 score in the 1st round did enough to pull out the win by a score of 113-112.



Again, Pacquiao could have easily been and should be IMO 1-2. And when Marquez rematches Pacquiao, it's very likely he'll avenge that draw and beat him (again).

I think Pacquiao is overrated and one-dimensional. I will give Pacquiao this -- he's doing the right thing by going for broke and fighting those big names. If he's to have any chance at making a name for himself as a great fighter, he's gonna have to go through them. And right now at 1-1-1 he needs to do more to eliminate any doubt that he's the best feather/super feather that Roach and company claim he is, and by the looks of his last fight, it doesn't seem likely he'll go any further than this. If anything, it's all downhill from here for him.



I think I'd give Pacquiao a little more respect than I'm giving him now, but as long as ****-talkers like yourself keep running your crap and deluding yourselves, I'll reserve my respect for better fighters that deserve it.
actually, you started the trash talking dude... all jomapac posted was he wanted JMM to make up his mind... what's wrong with that??? you suddenly burst your bubble because of that simple statement... shallow thinking...

czars_salad
04-20-2005, 10:24 PM
Freddie Roach and company refused to give Marquez his just due, as is customary. -Josh2k5

because he doesn't deserve it ***** :mad:

AIR_KENG
04-20-2005, 10:24 PM
Hey guys i think we should not under estimate the capabilitiies :boxing: of JMM because he woudnt not be a champ for nothing. Maybe PACMAN drop him 3 times in the 1st round. However, after that pacman did nothing. JMM showed that he has a lot of heart to give that is why he did not quit and fight until the end of the rounds. Although there are controversey about that fight but for me "Boxing is Boxing" & "Sports is a Sports" you'll never know what will happen in the end. If JMM wants to have a rematch w/ the man they called Mexican Assasin then give him a chance its time for them to settle all the unfinished business and see whos really the best. but whatever the putcome of that fight they should accept it like a real man. There is no need for EXCUSES this time.

C'mon Let's get it on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nobody's underestimating him bro, we have said it over and over again that JMM is the hardest foe for pac because he is a superior counterpuncher...

czars_salad
04-20-2005, 10:41 PM
nobody's underestimating him bro, we have said it over and over again that JMM is the hardest foe for pac because he is a superior counterpuncher...
amen to that... as a consolation ;)

Chups
04-21-2005, 09:24 PM
Ima shower him with reds...with the word f@ck you on the karma!!

Racist b1tch!!

THRILLAinmanila
04-21-2005, 09:25 PM
Here comes the cavalry...... :D :p

czars_salad
04-21-2005, 09:39 PM
Ima shower him with reds...with the word f@ck you on the karma!!

Racist b1tch!!
tell me, i'll give him one!!!

AIR_KENG
04-22-2005, 02:18 AM
Ima shower him with reds...with the word f@ck you on the karma!!

Racist b1tch!!
your wish is my command...

Manila Eyes
04-22-2005, 02:18 AM
REd karma on the way ! >.......

czars_salad
04-22-2005, 01:34 PM
Bull****, ......
you are the biggest dumbass there is....

czars_salad
04-22-2005, 01:38 PM
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you are the biggest gay in the universe.

czars_salad
04-22-2005, 01:39 PM
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you don't deserve to live another 5 more minutes ****gay

czars_salad
04-22-2005, 01:39 PM
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you should go back to your cave, dumb gorilla

puppy_dogg
04-22-2005, 01:44 PM
i hope juan goes up, the best news about that is that rafael will move up to featherweight hopefully.

Josh2k5
04-22-2005, 03:14 PM
Pathetic ...
He didn't miss out on a payday? Wtf are you on? He missed out on 750 000 dollars, that's what he missed out on.
With MILLIONS of dollars involved in these megafights, $750,000 is chump change. And considering JMM is the champ with 2 titles and not to mention a significant portion of the people buying the PPVs with top-caliber Mexicans are Mexicans, or as the execs put it the "Hispanic market segment", Marquez has every right to be paid what he's worth. Again, this is what JMM said in his interview that was posted on this thread:

I’m still satisfied because I did not give in to them (Top Rank) and stood my ground. I’m as good as Morales and Barrera

So how could Marquez miss out on a payday when that's exactly what he felt he WASN'T getting and was negotiating to get.

Top Rank isn't holding him back, he's just not marketable and he's too damn hardheaded to realize that. ANY promoter would have a hard time marketing JMM with his counterpunching snoozer style. HE'S NOT A DRAW, case and point.

This is what Mark Taffet, Senior Vice-President of HBO Pay-Per-View said:

"But I do know Barrera-Morales IV and Morales-Pacquiao II would both be pay-per-view mega-fights at this point. Even fights including Marquez would generate significant revenue."

And you also have to take into consideration that this was a highly anticipated rematch that EVERYONE wanted to see. So you could try to bull**** yourself all you want but Marquez had a lot of leverage to negotiate. Neither the promoters nor he backed down though, so ultimately it didn't matter. But IMO $1.3 million wasn't something outrageous or unwarranted for a WBA/IBF champion of his caliber.

A hungrier Barrera would not hammer Pacquiao in a rematch even if he does posses superior boxing skills.

I'm not the only who knows Barrera wasn't the same focused fighter he usually was, against Pac. That's why I posted that link from an analyst's perspective of the fight. It was more objective than you and I are first off and it illuminated how Barrera was unusually off. Even Barrera commented after the fight:

"I couldn't see a lot of things. I wasn't really concentrating. I wasn't feeling like myself, I don't know what went wrong but it wasn't me," -- MAB

As far as the possibility for a Pac - Barrera rematch goes -- whatever MAB's rationale is, doesn't really matter if Pac already has a tentative rematch in the works with Morales in the near future. IMO all three of the Mexican trio should rematch Pacquiao. The public wants to see these fights.

You've got to be ****ing with me if you're comparing a shot feather-fisted Ayala with Pacquiao. LOL you know you people crack me up. You're so quick to jump on us Pac fans about excuses, but Marco's are apparently acceptable to you lmao. Pac's glove issue was an excuse and FOREST FIRES were concrete reasons? LOLOLOL. Complete and utter ignorance....

You're referring to that excerpt I quoted from the webiste http://www.talkingboxing.com/articles/mcmanusjune24.html

First off, it's true Ayala wasn't the Ayala of old, but he was by no means a chump like you're trying to portray him to be. He fought and went the distance with Morales. He also fought and beat top-caliber fighters before him, including Johnny Tapia, and Bones Adams and beat them both. He was even the Ring Magazine Fighter of the Year at one point also. So don't try to make him out to be some creampuff. And anyway the point was, that article was contrasting the difference between a game MAB and a lackluster one. And not only that, after that article was written, an even bigger challenge than Ayala confronted Barrera, and that was Erik Morales (who would go on to beat Pacquiao in his next fight). And again, MAB was focused in that fight and wasn't the shotup fighter a lot of people were predicting he might be after he lost to Pacquiao. So again, you could differentiate a focused Barrera versus one that wasn't.

And about the glove issue: What a big crock of **** you babycry conspiracy theorists make up to justify Pacquiao getting hammered by Morales. Larry Merchant tried to make it seem like Morales always used Reyes and for his fight with Pacquiao all of a sudden he switched to Winning brand gloves. That's horse**** -- Morales always uses Winning gloves. This is what Pac's promoter Murad Muhammad said:

"Keep in mind, when we signed this fight last year, Erik Morales said he wants the Winning gloves. And I asked the question, what's the difference in Winning gloves and Reyes gloves, etc., etc.? The Winning gloves protects Erik Morales' hands. Erik Morales has frail hands, fragile hands so he asked to take the Winning gloves." ...

"Secondly, they talk about the gloves. I've said it before, and now Emanuel Steward confirms it. I said, the gloves are no factor in any fight. I talked to Gil Clancy, quote he said, 'Murad, you want to talk about the gloves?' I said 'Yes sir.' He said, 'Winning gloves, what are they supposed to be?' I said 'they're supposed to be a glove with a lot of padding so they don't punch.' 'Reyes Gloves, what kind of gloves are they supposed to be?' I said, 'punchers gloves.' 'One to ten, what kind of puncher is Manny Pacquiao?' I said, 'Gil, he's a ten.' 'One to ten, what kind of puncher is Erik Morales?' I said, 'he's a six and a-half.' 'Consider yourself lucky.' I asked, 'why do you say that Gil?' He said 'because, if your guy is the puncher, and the other guy is a lesser puncher, you just reduced him to a three, and now (Pacquiao) at six and a-half, so you still got the edge.' He said, ' but do you think that Emile Griffith for twenty years we worried about gloves? Do you think Ray Robinson, do you think Joe Louis, when there was no such thing as arguing over gloves? Do you know what kind of padding we had in the gloves? But we got a knock out, didn't you?' I asked, 'why is that Gil?' He said, 'timing and speed, that has nothing to do with gloves. Gloves don't win fights.' I said, 'thank-you Uncle Clancy.' I said to them, the exact same thing that what Gil Clancy said to me and I said to them we do not care about Winning gloves last year, and it was in the contract last year, it was in the contract this year, and furthermore and if you're talking about fighting an Erik Morales who didn't have to fight us, when you're talking about fighting an Erik Morales who is no less a pay-per-view fighter, when you're talking about fighting Erik Morales who is the biggest thing today that came out of Mexico, why would we worry about gloves? Gloves were our least problem. The name of the game was to get Erik Morales in the ring."

http://www.*********.com/freitag180.htm

Boxing analyst Steve Kim wrote:

"In 2000, before their first classic slugfest, Marco Antonio Barrera and Morales argued about the brand of glove that was to be used. Barrera preferred 'Reyes' and Morales his customary 'Winning' gloves.

"There was a big controversy," recalled Marc Ratner, the executive director of the NSAC. "We flipped a coin and Barrera's people won and we wore Reyes." Ratner says that Barrera was so adamant about wearing his choice of gloves that, "He was not going to fight even if he lost the coin flip."

Fast forward to last Thanksgiving weekend, when Barrera and Morales completed their historic trilogy and there were more issues related to the gloves. This time around, with Morales being the defending WBC/IBF junior lightweight titlist, the contract stated that 'Winning' gloves were to be worn."

http://www.maxboxing.com/Kim/Kim041205.asp

Many people felt Marquez won 9 out of 12 rounds including you so he should be 1-2? Another example of prime time comedy. It's stupid for any one to think Manny only won 3 rounds in that fight. And if that's the case, they're hugging on Marquez' balls like theres no tommorrow.

Anyone who thinks Manny wasn't handidly outclassed after the first few rounds is blind period. Marquez systematically outboxed, and rocked Pacquiao with hard shots for the majority of the fight and had Pacquiao looking one-dimensional.

Like JMM said though, he has unfinished business with Pacquiao, so we'll see when they get it on again. 1-1-1 right now against the trio.

m00ks
04-22-2005, 04:12 PM
750K is chump change? PLEASE TELL ME WHAT WAS MARQUEZ'S HIGHEST PURSE?!? He was suppose to get 750K and he got nothing. How is that NOT missing out?!??! ****, I would have thought with all the articles you're reading you can at least grasp that simple concept. I'm not knacking on his skills, I'm talking about his M-A-R-K-E-T-A-B-I-L-I-T-Y. Before the Pacquiao fight, my grandmother was more popular. Skills don't decide how much you're paid, it's your ability to put asses in seats. And HE doesn't. You CAN'T argue that cuz it's a FACT. CHAMP OR NOT, HE DOESN'T SELL. Damn it's like talking to a kid.

Man, you just can't build your own opinion can't you. I've shot down everyone of your arguments and you come back with the same ones over and over again.

Oh and by the way, AYALA WAS SHOT FIGHTER WHO COULD'NT PUNCH THROUGH PAPER. **** that Pac actually won rounds against Morales. Poor ol Paulie looked worst than Manny after the fight and Pac was even cut.

Oh Barrera said that himself? Well that changes everything! It MUST be true :rolleyes: What the heck was he suppose to say after he got ass raped for 11 rounds ?!?! Dumbass, you'd believe him if he said he lost cuz his panties were too tight.
Seriously, how long have you followed boxing or do I have to say it... STYLES MAKES FIGHTS. You should be ashamed that you had to have been told that.

About the gloves, did you just quote Murad Muhammad?!?!?! LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLL LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.Nuff said lol Don't bother quoting me anymore man lol I'm done with you ahahhahaha

rudy
04-22-2005, 06:29 PM
Marquez does not want nothing to do with Manny let him fight Scot Harrison or Michael Brodie

czars_salad
04-22-2005, 08:26 PM
Nuff said lol Don't bother quoting me anymore man lol I'm done with you ahahhahaha
he's gay mooks... and he's in love with ya! :D

JOM'S
04-23-2005, 03:05 AM
**** all I got to say is you guys have toooooooooo much time on your hands.

Ill just wait calmly wait for the rematches.
After watching the Erik-Pac fight there is no doubt in who will win all the rematches.
There was a comment made a while ago that said Pac will burn threw Mexico. I always said he was the gonna get burned.
I think now Pac is gonna get torched.

the road to greatness is still through MEXICO and that is the road PAC is going to take ...

quote from pac: charge it to experience, better luck next time ...


cant wait to see these 3 rematches ...

evosbm
03-01-2006, 12:59 PM
That's all you can do like a little *****, write **** from your computer with your dumbass "nuthugger" crap. Everyone knows the biggest "nuthuggers" are filipinos with all their Pacquiao bull****.

All you blind Pacquiao toadies were the same ones making ridiculous claims that Pacquiao would KO Morales in round 1 and other nonsense like that. You believed your own hype about an overrated, one-dimensional Pacquiao. Reading all your bull**** threads, I noticed you Pac dick lickers were trying to make Pacquiao out to be a legend on par with the greatest all time featherweights/jr lightweights, claiming a bunch of other nonsense also. Get off your own sack.

But from your point of view, I could understand why you talk **** about other fighters and try to pump up your own guy -- because that's all you have. On the other hand Barrera, Morales, Marquez, believe it or not are not the best or even the only good Mexican boxers to dominate. There were better before them and there will be better after them in all likelihood. Legends nonetheless in their own right, but by no means the only good Mexican boxers.

Truly i cant believe anything you say. it seems like you have inhaled a high concentration of your own fart that made you hallucinate and come here and talk like that. poor loser.

Mr. Ryan
03-01-2006, 01:22 PM
I really would like to see Marquez fight Pacquiao, but I would be really surprised if he took a rematch.

Sttuddahboy619
03-01-2006, 01:27 PM
Does anyone know if the next Marquez fight will be televised? If so,What channel?

evosbm
03-01-2006, 01:29 PM
Bull****, the 3 major belts (2 of which Marquez has) are what determine the champions from the contenders. And it's generally known and accepted, whoever has them gets the lion's share of the take. Just like when a contender fights a champion, he has to take it to the champ, not the other way around. And in JMM's case he's been slighted for so long and was asking for his take as a champ. I don't see anything wrong with that. So you're wrong. The champion dictates the terms not the challenger.

There's too many flames from your fellow countrymen to respond to them individually, so I'll just respond to all the haters on this post. First off "czar salad" started up the flame war with his "***** nuthugger" post. And it's obvious on this board there's a lot of underlying racism going on. Don't even act like filipino's aren't getting in on it either. I may have made a generalization but I didn't make any racist posts like a lot of the haters are claiming. And I'm not stupid I know we're all gonna support our own kind. And I made a generalization but it was my opinion -- based on what I've read on this board and other boards the majority of filipino posts I've read were ****-talking and made exaggerated claims.

And btw I do have respect for filipinos, and was cool with em, but I'm not about to respect where respect isn't given.

Rifo a mi gente y si no te gusta te meto mi cuete en tu ojete.


That's another crybaby excuse you conspiracy theorists use because you can't accept the fact that Pac got beat. Like Roy Jones Jr. said in his commentary of the fight, the gloves they had in their match wasn't even an issue like Merchant was yammering about. I'll take Roy Jones Jr.'s word for it over Larry Merchant's. Jones speaks from experience. They were both using the same type of 14 oz. regulation gloves and they both had the capability to do their damage in the ring. And someone else had posted about this on another thread -- Pacquiao himself admitted that the gloves they used were a non-issue. It's only conspiracy theorists like yourself that can't accept defeat that use that as a crutch for Pacquiao's loss. And Morales is a hard hitter himself, if they were to use some sort of 5 oz gloves (14 oz is the minimum as I understand it), Morales would be inflicting his own damage on Pacquiao and would dispatch of him even faster. I hope next time they fight in Reyes so it won't even be used as a crutch by all the Pac conspiracy theorists any more.



I guess Barrera and Morales were looking for bigger paydays with names that were in the limelight (pre-Marquez-Pacquiao).

And Pac was getting rocked and he wobbled several times against Marquez. I just wonder what more he would have done if he didn't have to regain his bearings after the 3 knockdowns in the first. Even then, he showed a lot of heart coming back and putting a whipping on Pacquiao. And against Morales, your boy was spitting up blood by the 3rd and he got the right side of his face looking like a crimson mask, as I read one writer put it. So Pac didn't exactly go through all 3 of them without a hitch. He won one, drew with one (which I thought he should've lost on points), and lost one. And along the way, he took a worse beating each time.

And I already wrote in my other post, he's doing the right thing by fighting the top names in the division(s). And I can't wait till they rematch again. Pac will get exposed again, and again, and again.

man! you know what? you talk a lot like as if you know what you're saying. will you just quit pretending like as if you do?! most people here knows their boxing stuffs and you cant make them simply believe what you think is right from wrong.

you're just making yourself look like an idiot by telling everybody in here that "the 3 major belts (2 of which Marquez has) are what determine the champions from the contenders. And it's generally known and accepted, whoever has them gets the lion's share of the take. Just like when a contender fights a champion, he has to take it to the champ, not the other way around. And in JMM's case he's been slighted for so long and was asking for his take as a champ. I don't see anything wrong with that. So you're wrong. The champion dictates the terms not the challenger."

where the hell did you get that kind of idea? who said it was generally accepted? you're so pathetic. that's what you are.

Chups
03-01-2006, 02:26 PM
Translation from Spanish to English by Sergio Martinez.

“I’m as good as Morales and Barrera, and just need a good promoter to get me fights against those guys to prove that I belong with the elite boxers of the world. I also want to finish my business with Manny Pacquiao because I know that I beat him.”-Juan Manuel Marquez.
[ Details ] (http://www.***********.com/1072-juan-manuel-marquez-too-good-for-own-good.html)



Wow this is good news! So when is he moving up again? :D

ispayder
03-01-2006, 03:07 PM
Minsan ko lang ginagawa eto,pero tingin ko dapat paulanan natin ng pula ang hinayupak na ito. Kabago-bago e ang bigat ng inaasta......

As you wish Senor Thrilla!!!

SAN D13GO VILLAN
03-01-2006, 03:45 PM
Cant wait for this rematch just to end this discussion thats been going on for so long. If people got of pacmans nuts for a minute you should be able to understand that Marquez had a point by putting his foot down when it came down to the money he was the champ with I dont know how many belts! For sure it should of been 50/50 ATLEAST.

ispayder
03-01-2006, 08:23 PM
Cant wait for this rematch just to end this discussion thats been going on for so long. If people got of pacmans nuts for a minute you should be able to understand that Marquez had a point by putting his foot down when it came down to the money he was the champ with I dont know how many belts! For sure it should of been 50/50 ATLEAST.

I'm still wondering if it's really money matters that made him turned down the rematch with Pacman. He was offered $750K during that time and now he accepted a $35K offer to fight Chris John and he will have to travel all the way to Indonesia. It just doesn't make sense (at least to me).

bigsmoothh
03-01-2006, 08:27 PM
hola mierderos

enadeus
03-01-2006, 08:44 PM
JMM beats Pacquaioa in the rematch along with Barrera and Morales.

PACDEMIC
03-01-2006, 10:12 PM
JMM beats Pacquaioa in the rematch along with Barrera and Morales.Yeah well he has to knock Chris John out first. He ain't getting out of Indonesia w/ a decision in his favor. Last time I watched Juanita he couldn't hurt a fly

PACDEMIC
03-01-2006, 10:15 PM
Cant wait for this rematch just to end this discussion thats been going on for so long. If people got of pacmans nuts for a minute you should be able to understand that Marquez had a point by putting his foot down when it came down to the money he was the champ with I dont know how many belts! For sure it should of been 50/50 ATLEAST.Yeah putting his foot down got his @ss a trip to Indonesia for 35k. Great business sense(lol)I'm tellin'ya he better ktfo John 'cause when is he ever gonna see an offer like that again. Definitely not from his vatos Erika and Marco Antonia

ferocity
03-02-2006, 02:39 AM
Yeah it seems like a bad move but with Marquez who is always in great shape and has a good chin, he is confident in his skills. But still a dumb move, but for some fighters it works out for the best and for other it doesn't. I know I can name a few fighters that im sure regreted not accepting a fight only to lose their next match, but thats boxing, you never know when someone has your number.

noypi
03-03-2006, 08:29 PM
Pacquiao vs Barrera (Pacquiao beats a Barrera who was a shell of himself that night; not the same Barrera with the intensity that faced Morales or Hamed) EXCUSES!! HE WAS OUTCLASS!!
Pacquiao vs Marquez (Draw - but Marquez should have really won despite the knockdowns in the first. Marquez put on a clinic and set the bluprint for how to take care of Pacquiao and exposed him for the one-dimensional fighter he was.)YOU NEED TO READ THE BOOK "LEARN HOW TO SCORE A BOXING FIGHT FOR DUMMIES". BY THE WAY TRY TO GET A HOLD OF THAT JUDGE WHO MADE AN ERROR. YOU GUYS CAN READ IT AT THE SAME TIME!!LOLPacquiao vs Morales (Unanimous Decision for Morales as he goes on to make mince meat of Pac's face after making him spit up his own blood.) PLS. TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED ON THEIR REMATCH? LOL!


Pacquiao overall vs the legendary Mexican trio 1-1-1
Should really be 1-2

AIR_KENG
03-04-2006, 11:40 AM
Cant wait for this rematch just to end this discussion thats been going on for so long. If people got of pacmans nuts for a minute you should be able to understand that Marquez had a point by putting his foot down when it came down to the money he was the champ with I dont know how many belts! For sure it should of been 50/50 ATLEAST.
well if san diego villan would only stop hating pac and stop giving all considerations to his mexican opponents then he should realize that he is a ****IN' PAC HATER!!!! lol... you have all the excuses againast pac you hater...

flipside
03-04-2006, 08:32 PM
josh2k5 will not come back to bs.com il bet on that

stupid ****!

flipside
03-04-2006, 08:39 PM
JMM beats Pacquaioa in the rematch along with Barrera and Morales.

LMAO!

**** off nostradamus wanna be

Dehydrator
03-06-2006, 01:12 PM
Cant wait for this rematch just to end this discussion thats been going on for so long. If people got of pacmans nuts for a minute you should be able to understand that Marquez had a point by putting his foot down when it came down to the money he was the champ with I dont know how many belts! For sure it should of been 50/50 ATLEAST.

Yes,he has a point.That was before,now,he has nothing,after the fight w/ pacman,he's changed...look what happened with his last fight.If he can't handle john,he can't surely handle pacquiao. :D

flipside
03-06-2006, 05:40 PM
with the vast improvement that pac made from their last fight jmm wont get past 4 rounds IMO

JoartCC
03-07-2006, 06:43 AM
JMM beats Pacquaioa in the rematch along with Barrera and Morales.
You're a funny guy Enadeus. CJ just beat JMM's ass. :)

AIR_KENG
03-07-2006, 09:48 AM
Yes,he has a point.That was before,now,he has nothing,after the fight w/ pacman,he's changed...look what happened with his last fight.If he can't handle john,he can't surely handle pacquiao. :D
well some news have said that JMM did not stick to his counter punching and became the aggressor from the get go to avoid a decision which is veru unlikely for him to win... this is another psychlogical war for manny, JMM has deliberately dropped this fight so when he gets the lesser share of the purse with a rematch with pac, nacho won't have much to brag... i think JMM wants to fight pac... but nacho is the real culprit...

JMM will revert to his counter-punching when he meets pac again and we'll see another good fight... :D