We have a death penalty thread so i decided to make an abortion thread. Abortion is one of the main issues today, So who is for and who is against abortion

I am pro life. And that is all I will say. This is a very dangerous subject, and I am very hesitant to elaborate my stance on the issue.

I will sit back and read the "What If She Gets Raped" arguement. And I think the death penalty, and Abortion are two completely different things. My views on Capital Punishment are they should not apply to unborn children

Umm ill go with pro-choice... (for abortion sorta sounds like satanist)

The main reason why I am for abortion is that a woman should have a choise what to do with her body. This is only her business and nobody elses what to do with the child and if she waants to get rid of it than it is her choise

Um I sort of agree. I think more along the lines of if someone raped a girl she should be able to get an abortion.

Are you SH#TTIN" ME!!!
The more I read message boards, the more I wish abortion was retroactive!


J/K.....truthfully, I will answer this question the day I discover that I'm pregnant.
It is a woman's body and her choice.

Are you SH#TTIN" ME!!!
The more I read message boards, the more I wish abortion was retroactive!


J/K.....truthfully, I will answer this question the day I discover that I'm pregnant.
It is a woman's body and her choice.

agree with boxerdog .

man there are enough *******s on earth , why do people want them to multiply is above my understanding.

agree with boxerdog .

man there are enough *******s on earth , why do people want them to multiply is above my understanding.

idk thats one of those
WWRSD kind of things
right Tino?

idk thats one of those
WWRSD kind of things
right Tino?
he is my idol :o ...

I'm against it... :eek:
Don't bite my head off now, it's just the way I feel.

i can't believe it, more people want abortion. :mad:
it's evil

i don't understand how people can have the brass to think they are so important that they can tell other people what to do with their bodies.

I must vote for letting a woman decide for herself, why should anyone else have the say so over her own personal situation, that said, I am also happy to see any woman make the choice of adoption rather than abortion. I love kids...

I believe in letting the woman decide, but I don't believe in abortion. I have a 2 yr old son and I couldn't imagine cutting his life short before it even began. I think that every pregnacy is special, because some people can't even have kids...

The more baby's die the better, I say.

Down with Baby's. Think about it. britney spears is preggers, now she won't be hot!



jk

or am I?

it's a very tough decision to make. and raising a child is not that easy! but it can be done. if you're a loving person and a selfless one then there's no problem raising that baby. no matter what the consequences are, you still owe him his life!

I'm for, which I guess isn't a big shock. I respect that people have other opinions but I really can't hate those anti-abortionist *******s who hang out outside the clinics and hassle teenagers that go in, or wave plastic babies around, or read bible quotes, or whatever.

And, like many people say, why should we decide what a woman gets to do? And don't pretend that women have ever had a saw in what scripture or the law has to say about abortion...religion and government everywhere in the world has always been male-dominated.

I'm pro-choice.

Voted. The same as nearly everyone else by the poll's indication.

I am for it, but in a different way than most people. I think if the father wants to keep the child and the woman doesn't, tough **** for her. She has the baby.

I don't buy this whole thing about "its my body, its my choice". It takes two people to make a child and two people to raise it. It should take two people to make the choice.

I am for it, but in a different way than most people. I think if the father wants to keep the child and the woman doesn't, tough **** for her. She has the baby.

I don't buy this whole thing about "its my body, its my choice". It takes two people to make a child and two people to raise it. It should take two people to make the choice.

Yeah, men get totally ****ed when it comes to reproductive rights. If the women wants to abort and the man wants to keep it it's tough ****, he has no say in the matter. However, if the woman wants to keep it and the man doesn't, not only does the man have no say in the matter but he is forced to pay child support for the next 18 or so years. Why do you think there are so many gold-digging woman trying to get knocked up by pro athletes.

i'm a pro-life

no!

I'm for abortion being legal.

To say I'm "For abortion" wouldn't be appropriate, but I have no real issue with the current laws. I just hope I'm never in a position where someone wants to end a life I've created.

But there are some very good arguments for abortion, many outside the typical "what if the fetus has got an awful illness" or "what if the girl is raped"

There are too many examples of how a child's life could foreseeably be worse than a few minutes with a vacuum tube - how many impoverished neighborhoods, drug-addicted mothers, 11 - 12 -13 year old mothers, etc. are really in the ideal situation for a child to live? Realistically, some kids never have a chance. I support a woman courageous enough to know that she has no business being responsible for another life and defer judgment to a higher being.

Since I do not have a vagina, I shouldn't be able to decide. I have three kids and wouldn't want to lose them at all. I am glad that my first wife didn't want another abortion. Her mother wanted her to get one again. I do believe that the woman has the ultimate right over her own body. If you force her to have it, it wouldn't be loved as much. If it goes to an orphanage, then the people have to pay for its life. Not fair to those of us that work hard for a paycheck.

I have seen several women use it as a form of birth control, that is wrong. I think after the second one, they need to have their tunes tied or overies removed.

life is precious. give the unborn child the life that he should have.

Since I do not have a vagina, I shouldn't be able to decide. I have three kids and wouldn't want to lose them at all. I am glad that my first wife didn't want another abortion. Her mother wanted her to get one again. I do believe that the woman has the ultimate right over her own body. If you force her to have it, it wouldn't be loved as much. If it goes to an orphanage, then the people have to pay for its life. Not fair to those of us that work hard for a paycheck.

I have seen several women use it as a form of birth control, that is wrong. I think after the second one, they need to have their tunes tied or overies removed.

lol, check out what I just wrote in the death penalty thread.

life is precious. give the unborn child the life that he should have.

I think you should be aborted.

I think you should be aborted.
i think you should be hanged or crucified upside down ***** :mad:

We have a death penalty thread so i decided to make an abortion thread. Abortion is one of the main issues today, So who is for and who is against abortion
im not gonna read all the posts cause ive already had enough of this argument lol.

just the poll question doesnt make sense

for or against abortion
yes or no

so yes for and against or no for and against.

anyways im all for woemn having the choice of abortion.
ill vote when i know which poll answer represents which choice

I'm pro-life. Have you seen a videotape of a fetus that is being aborted? I have seen one and I have seen how it struggles to cling to dear life. You can actually feel the pain that he feels while his brain and body is being sucked.

I have one question to the pro-life people:

What if your sister or mother was to be raped and pregnancy would result of this, and what if she was to be traumatized and wanted to abort the baby? Would you still support your "pro-life" stance on the matter or would you make an "exception".

What if early in the pregnancy it is discover that carrying the pregnancy would result in serious complications to the mother?

i am all for abortion..... If people cant afford to have kids they should always have the option to terminate a pregnancy, unlike some girls in the world today, will have 5 kids and be on welfare for the rest of there lifes.. Abortion is good ****. Very sad but hey life goes on.

I have one question to the pro-life people:

What if your sister or mother was to be raped and pregnancy would result of this, and what if she was to be traumatized and wanted to abort the baby? Would you still support your "pro-life" stance on the matter or would you make an "exception".

What if early in the pregnancy it is discover that carrying the pregnancy would result in serious complications to the mother?

It should be made clear that when we talk of abortion, we refer primarily to the fetus, the unborn baby. It is his life we are trying to abort.

And it doesn't matter whether the mother was raped or the condom leaked or the pill was expired, the fact remains that it is not the baby's fault that he is conceived. Therefore, he is entitled to life as much as you and i were entitled to live when we were coneived by our own mothers.

As to the issue of the mother-to-be being raped, there are all sorts of couselling available (social, spiritual) to counter the anxiety and trauma she experienced. Give the baby his life and, if unwanted, just leave him at the hospital for adoption after birth.

As to the question of complication to the mother, in this circumstance, the parents of the baby are given the choice. But the fact remains that it's not only the mother's life but also the baby's that is on line.

As for other "accidental" pregnancies, there is no valid justification why the baby should be killed just because his parents were not careful. To repeat - IT'S NOT HIS FAULT!!! :mad:

its not the babies fault but its not the mothers fault either if she is RAPED. basically you are saying that the fetus' life should be more important than the poor, innocent, already conscious living woman who was forcibly made to have sex. thats bull**** and you know it. whats so precious about life if it's possibly going to be neglected or poverty stricken. should we just have kids to have kids or what? once again....theres no point to having a child if that child isn't going to be properly raised. and the adoption thing only goes so far...

how wack is that, if someone is raped they shouldnt have a rape baby, thats stupid and ****ing pointless, i think your view on all this is stupid,crouching tiger... Yeah it isnt the babies falt, but ya know what 8 weeks into the pregnancy it isnt a baby.

its not the babies fault but its not the mothers fault either if she is RAPED. basically you are saying that the fetus' life should be more important than the poor, innocent, already conscious living woman who was forcibly made to have sex. thats bull**** and you know it. whats so precious about life if it's possibly going to be neglected or poverty stricken. should we just have kids to have kids or what? once again....theres no point to having a child if that child isn't going to be properly raised. and the adoption thing only goes so far...

I never said that the fetus' life is more important than the mother's. My point is that we're talking of two lives, the baby and the mother, and both lives are precious. What I'm saying is that give the baby the chance to live. He may or may not be raised properly, he may be adopted by good or bad parents. But we gave him the chance to live and that's what's important.

In both instances, the mother lives on, so let's choose life for the baby!

how wack is that, if someone is raped they shouldnt have a rape baby, thats stupid and ****ing pointless, i think your view on all this is stupid,crouching tiger... Yeah it isnt the babies falt, but ya know what 8 weeks into the pregnancy it isnt a baby.


Your argument is MORE STUPID AND POINTLESS! Life begins at conception, when your partner's sperm hits your egg. Ask your doctor or any scientist. So at any stage you perform the abortion, you are killing a life, COMPLETE OR NOT!

Your argument is MORE STUPID AND POINTLESS! Life begins at conception, when your partner's sperm hits your egg. Ask your doctor or any scientist. So at any stage you perform the abortion, you are killing a life, COMPLETE OR NOT!

What are your feelings on stem cell research? If you don't mind me asking.

**** all that ****..

What are your feelings on stem cell research? If you don't mind me asking.

As far as I know, stem cells are mostly extracted from human embryos. And since i consider human embryos as human beings already, and in extracting the stem cells we are killing the embryo, I'm also against it.

But stem cells can also be extracted from adult human tissue with no damage done. I think this is ok.

One more question: Do you considered an egg a living being?

I find your conservative way of thinking interesting, specially since you're relatively young.

hahahaha u got lots of questions huh

B-bub...everytime I try to seriously read what you say, i look at that llama and everything just goes out the window. was that its purpose or what? whats with the llama? its funny....

B-bub...everytime I try to seriously read what you say, i look at that llama and everything just goes out the window. was that its purpose or what? whats with the llama? its funny....

Exactly, 99% of the time I talk mad caca and I don't make much sense... I somehow ended up being a talking llama, so I rolled with that gimmick.

mad caca???

hahahahahaha caca hahhahaha

One more question: Do you considered an egg a living being?

I find your conservative way of thinking interesting, specially since you're relatively young.

I suppose it's my upbringing. :p

An egg and a sperm in itself is different. They're just like all the other cells in the other parts of our bodies. Only when they join and fertilize is when life actually starts.

I suppose it's my upbringing. :p

An egg and a sperm in itself is different. They're just like all the other cells in the other parts of our bodies. Only when they join and fertilize is when life actually starts.

So someone who miscarries, would you consider them to be a murderer?

I suppose it's my upbringing. :p

An egg and a sperm in itself is different. They're just like all the other cells in the other parts of our bodies. Only when they join and fertilize is when life actually starts.

I meant a regular chicken's egg. Do you consider this a living thing?

Sorry I wasn't clear enough.

a chicken egg hahahahahhahahaa

a chicken egg hahahahahhahahaa

There's a point to all of this, I promise.

heh...http://www.usda.gov/oc/photo/b95c2144.jpg

lol i bet there is.

So someone who miscarries, would you consider them to be a murderer?

Oh my. There's intentional and unintentional miscarriage. If it's intentional, then you know my position. :cool:

Oh my. There's intentional and unintentional miscarriage. If it's intentional, then you know my position. :cool:

You're a pretty hardcore religious conservative. Were you raised Catholic? Just curious, eh? :cool:

I meant a regular chicken's egg. Do you consider this a living thing? Sorry I wasn't clear enough.

A chicken egg is already a living fertilized embryo. But it's an ANIMAL embryo, so if you cook it, boiled or sunny-side up, you don't commit murder. :D

A chicken egg is already a living fertilized embryo. But it's an ANIMAL embryo, so if you cook it, boiled or sunny-side up, you don't commit murder. :D


cruelty to animals...

You're a pretty hardcore religious conservative. Were you raised Catholic? Just curious, eh? :cool:

Yes, I was. Mom & Dad. Ansd their own Mom and Dads before them. But they're not really hardcore or ultra. It's just, shall I say, a matter of personal belief and conviction. I really do believe in the preciousness of life. :)

cruelty to animals...

Ho-ho...You vegetarian or something?

nope...i eat meat because that **** is ****in great.

anyway, do you think that we should just keep pumping out kids for no reason until we overpopulate the world? thats not sarcastic or malicious fyi.

The video you were speaking about was against patial birth abortion. Much of what is pointed out here is "where do you consider life to begin?" Is it on the first breath of oxygen, is it when egg meets sperm?

One question......

If you swallow, are you an attempted murderer?

nope...i eat meat because that **** is ****in great.

anyway, do you think that we should just keep pumping out kids for no reason until we overpopulate the world? thats not sarcastic or malicious fyi.

You can keep "pumping" and "pumping" without overpopulating. Use the rubber, pills, rhythm, coitus interuptus, etc. Everybody happy!

The video you were speaking about was against patial birth abortion. Much of what is pointed out here is "where do you consider life to begin?" Is it on the first breath of oxygen, is it when egg meets sperm?

One question......

If you swallow, are you an attempted murderer?

I already answered this one. But to reiterate, a sperm is just an ordinary cell. Life only begins once it joins the egg. So you don't commit mass murder if you swallow a cupful! :eek: By the way, do you swallow??? :D

That's why I said attempted murder....

those dont always work.

im against it.

adoptian is way better.

and i dont think the baby is a part of the womens body, it is a product of both men and woman.
so no its not a womens right to kill even if she is killing something in her on body.

if a man and a women have sex with out protection and pregnancy is the result why does so many think its okay that its the baby who pays with its life because of two other humans stupidity?

use condoms, pils.

and if your not cabale of either use protection ore raise a child ore let someone adopt.......than dont ****.

im not gonna read all the posts cause ive already had enough of this argument lol.

just the poll question doesnt make sense

for or against abortion
yes or no

so yes for and against or no for and against.

anyways im all for woemn having the choice of abortion.
ill vote when i know which poll answer represents which choice
My bad for screwing up a question. I was kinda drunk when i was making this thread up. But i hope you do understand what i meant.

how wack is that, if someone is raped they shouldnt have a rape baby, thats stupid and ****ing pointless, i think your view on all this is stupid,crouching tiger... Yeah it isnt the babies falt, but ya know what 8 weeks into the pregnancy it isnt a baby.


this a 6 week old fetus.
In the above picture a rudimentary heart has already formed, as well as an early eye. The tail will disappear within a few weeks, but a few small taillike shrunken vertebrae stay behind permanently. Six weeks after fertilization, arms and legs are extremely short but starting to take shape. The red blob in the chest of the child, a tiny heart, now beating about 150 times a minute, twice as fast as the mother's. No bones have formed in the skull, so the early brain is easily seen above the eye. The child has its own blood supply separate from the mother's, but the placenta brings the two systems next to each other. This allows the mother to nourish the child and the child to dispose of waste products.

not a baby?with brain waves? with a heartbeat?

and thats just 6 weeks.

http://www.silentscream.org/images/6_weeks.jpg

and here is one 8 weeks

http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/1483/8wkfetus.gif

oh god whatever, im still for abortion.

Christ, we got pictures of fetuses on this forum now...I mean, seriously, what the hell is going on :confused:

I'm pro-life. Have you seen a videotape of a fetus that is being aborted? I have seen one and I have seen how it struggles to cling to dear life. You can actually feel the pain that he feels while his brain and body is being sucked.


its called The Silent Scream. i saw it in high school. i just watched it again a few minutes ago. it can be seen at this site...

http://www.silentscream.org/

I fail to see the difference between me popping some guy in the head and abortion. I am pro- death penalty though, as some people just need to get killed.

this a 6 week old fetus.
In the above picture a rudimentary heart has already formed, as well as an early eye. The tail will disappear within a few weeks, but a few small taillike shrunken vertebrae stay behind permanently. Six weeks after fertilization, arms and legs are extremely short but starting to take shape. The red blob in the chest of the child, a tiny heart, now beating about 150 times a minute, twice as fast as the mother's. No bones have formed in the skull, so the early brain is easily seen above the eye. The child has its own blood supply separate from the mother's, but the placenta brings the two systems next to each other. This allows the mother to nourish the child and the child to dispose of waste products.

not a baby?with brain waves? with a heartbeat?

and thats just 6 weeks.

http://www.silentscream.org/images/6_weeks.jpg

and here is one 8 weeks

http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/1483/8wkfetus.gif

Very nice pics, man. That proved a point mighty strongly!

you really dont need to post any pics.. it doesnt change any minds... Or mine at least.

I was watching an episode of Family Guy the other day in which Charlton Heston gets shot and Peter apologizes to him. Charlton Heston says "No, thats alright, it's your right as an American citizen." Maybe all the pro-abortion people should get to be fetuses and terminated. It's their right as Americans.

So, okay, I don't get it...do the people talking about fetuses think that they are actual living human beings? I mean, I know that a skeleton and organs are growing, but do they think that they are really people in there like after a few weeks? Do you remember the time when you were in the womb? Didn't think so.

i just found a website that shows pictures of after the abortion, very disturbing..

So, okay, I don't get it...do the people talking about fetuses think that they are actual living human beings? I mean, I know that a skeleton and organs are growing, but do they think that they are really people in there like after a few weeks? Do you remember the time when you were in the womb? Didn't think so.
I fail to see your point. In the book of Psalms, God said that even in your moms stomach, I had written down all your parts, or something like that. A fetus has a heart beat and all. If you passed out and your friends molested you and fingered your anus, but you didn't remember, would it be OK?

I fail to see your point. In the book of Psalms, God said that even in your moms stomach, I had written down all your parts, or something like that. A fetus has a heart beat and all. If you passed out and your friends molested you and fingered your anus, but you didn't remember, would it be OK?

The Bible was written by men who didn't give a **** about women. I'm not trying to question anyone's faith, but you can at least admit that the Bible is a written document and subject to the biases of the authors that wrote it. No woman had a say in what went in there, so why should we trust what it says about pregnancy and childbirth?

who ****ing cares about the bible?!?

first we have this technical fetus talk, now we get to bring in religion...what next?


this **** is fugazi...

who ****ing cares about the bible?!?

Well, a lot of people use it to claim that abortion is evil. I was arguing that point.

Over history people have used the bible as an excuse for all kinds of ****.

The Bible was written by men who didn't give a **** about women. I'm not trying to question anyone's faith, but you can at least admit that the Bible is a written document and subject to the biases of the authors that wrote it. No woman had a say in what went in there, so why should we trust what it says about pregnancy and childbirth?
Well, then this is where we catch a snag in the debate. I believe what it says at 1 Timothy 3:15 where it states that "All Scripture is inspired by God and penned by man". I believe that over the course of a few centuries, God dictated his will through men and put it in writing. To say that God doesn't care about women is preposterous. What God doesn't care about is people who are irresponsible and use abortion as a form of contraceptive because they don't know how to use a rubber. Does a life have to end because someone forgot to pull out?

Well, then this is where we catch a snag in the debate. I believe what it says at 1 Timothy 3:15 where it states that "All Scripture is inspired by God and penned by man". I believe that over the course of a few centuries, God dictated his will through men and put it in writing. To say that God doesn't care about women is preposterous. What God doesn't care about is people who are irresponsible and use abortion as a form of contraceptive because they don't know how to use a rubber. Does a life have to end because someone forgot to pull out?


You're oversimplifying everything here. Don't be ignorant...you KNOW that **** isn't as simple as, "just pull out or just use a rubber"....if everyone could "just do this or that" then we'd have 0 problems in the world and everything would be perfect. The thing is, ****s not that simple. You've done some irresponsible **** in your life too, just like I have, just like everyone has...but it's not even a case of being irresponsible if we're talking about rape babies and **** like that.

Well, then this is where we catch a snag in the debate. I believe what it says at 1 Timothy 3:15 where it states that "All Scripture is inspired by God and penned by man". I believe that over the course of a few centuries, God dictated his will through men and put it in writing. To say that God doesn't care about women is preposterous. What God doesn't care about is people who are irresponsible and use abortion as a form of contraceptive because they don't know how to use a rubber. Does a life have to end because someone forgot to pull out?

Okay, well, I guess we can just agree to disagree then. But, like someone said earlier, pictures of fetuses won't convince anyone either way. It's a stupid thing to do...this is a boxing site, and even though we have this lounge it's no reason to post **** like that.

You're oversimplifying everything here. Don't be ignorant...you KNOW that **** isn't as simple as, "just pull out or just use a rubber"....if everyone could "just do this or that" then we'd have 0 problems in the world and everything would be perfect. The thing is, ****s not that simple. You've done some irresponsible **** in your life too, just like I have, just like everyone has...but it's not even a case of being irresponsible if we're talking about rape babies and **** like that.
Rape babies is a different story. But if it's John and Jane Doe being dumbasses and getting pregnant, is that OK? I've heard explanations in my life like "I'm too young" and **** like that or "I don't want to put my life at risk". But it's OK to put a babies life at risk, and you certainly weren't too young to **** the guy. It's all about responsibility when it comes to things like that. Don't **** unless you are responsible enough to handle the consequences or other **** like that.

Rape babies is a different story. But if it's John and Jane Doe being dumbasses and getting pregnant, is that OK? I've heard explanations in my life like "I'm too young" and **** like that or "I don't want to put my life at risk". But it's OK to put a babies life at risk, and you certainly weren't too young to **** the guy. It's all about responsibility when it comes to things like that. Don't **** unless you are responsible enough to handle the consequences or other **** like that.


I agree that it's a shame when stupid kids or college students do this recklessly. It's too hard to differentiate in EVERY situation though because we'd have chaos and a lot of unrest if certain people were allowed to abort and some couldn't.

I really think the world would be in much worse shape if many of these ghetto *****es did give birth to all the kids they aboted. We don't have enough welfare money for the people that are trying to get off the system.

I really think the world would be in much worse shape if many of these ghetto *****es did give birth to all the kids they aboted. We don't have enough welfare money for the people that are trying to get off the system.


seriously, my neighbor lives in a 1 bed room and has 6 kids,NO BULL****! 6 kids,5 baby daddys, her oldest is 19 her youngest is 3, it sucks what she goes through, she had a coat hanger abortion before, but still thats the kinda people your talking about, shes on welfare, and keeps having kids to get more money from welfare.

seriously, my neighbor lives in a 1 bed room and has 6 kids,NO BULL****! 6 kids,5 baby daddys, her oldest is 19 her youngest is 3, it sucks what she goes through, she had a coat hanger abortion before, but still thats the kinda people your talking about, shes on welfare, and keeps having kids to get more money from welfare.

She's a douche.

douche and a fugazi...

She's a douche.

huh i guess. lol

As long as its very early I think it is ok but there needs to start being a limit how many times you can do it so women start taking better care of themselves. Some women seem to go to the abortion clinic too often.

Okay, well, I guess we can just agree to disagree then. But, like someone said earlier, pictures of fetuses won't convince anyone either way. It's a stupid thing to do...this is a boxing site, and even though we have this lounge it's no reason to post **** like that.


explain to me why there is no reason to post **** like that when the topic is abortion and whether or not its right. someone made the comment about its not even a human at 8 weeks. now i don't know about you but that looks pretty ****ing human to me. the point is that **** is human. that **** is murder. that **** is wrong no matter how you ****ing look at it. if you feel that what i am saying is wrong then i have no hard feelings for you and respect what you think is right. if you choose murder over life then you are the one who will have to suffer the consequences, not me. i will lay my head down everynight and not lose any sleep...except for when i pray for you and the unborn murdered children. i am not trying to change anyones mind really. i mean if you can't see what is real then there really is no point in trying. i can tell by the tone in which your post was made that the pictures did get to you however. otherwise it would have rolled off easier. sometimes the truth hurts worse. peace everyone i'm out for the day. peace

oh god hahahhaha

holy cow im gonna burn in hell because i think a woman should have the right to choose...

holy cow im gonna burn in hell because i think a woman should have the right to choose...


we are gonna burn hand in hand .


do you think there are girls and boxing in hell ?

As long as its very early I think it is ok but there needs to start being a limit how many times you can do it so women start taking better care of themselves. Some women seem to go to the abortion clinic too often.


agree , with today contraceptive medicine and information in western countries , how some women get caught every few months is beyond my understanding

I don't know if this question has been posted on this thread or any other thread, but here goes..

Question
Why is it that when someone kills a woman who is pregnant they get charged for two murders. That of the woman who they killed and that of the unborn child, but when someone gets an abortion or does an abortion themselves it's not considered murder?

Another question. If a person punches a pregnant woman in the stomach and causes her to have a miscarriage(spelling!) what type of legal action would take place?

A third and final question. If a woman is pregnant with more than one child (twins, triplets, quads etc.) and someone kills the woman and they're unable to save any of the unborn children. Would the murder of each of those children be on the hands of that person as well? And could they get in more trouble vs. just killing a woman with one baby in her.

(8,000 post........Let's celebrate.)

Congrats on 8,000. I agree murder is murder.

I'm pro-choice, but there are many factors as to why I've come to this conclusion. They'll remain my own, but I do think some rules on abortion should be changed so the man's opinion weighs more.

im kinda against murder so i have to say no to abortion.

I think it is a necesary and useful tool in todays society unfortunately.It should not be used as freely as it is but I do think people should have the option under most circumstances.

I dont support abortion, regardless of any circumstance, i dont think anyone should kill anybody

We have a death penalty thread so i decided to make an abortion thread. Abortion is one of the main issues today, So who is for and who is against abortion

none of my business what others do with their own bodies. I would prefer for my personal life to avoid abortion, but again it is not my business what others do.

Anti abortion, Pro death penalty. Dont kill em untill they **** up.

I'm for abortion being legal.

To say I'm "For abortion" wouldn't be appropriate, but I have no real issue with the current laws. I just hope I'm never in a position where someone wants to end a life I've created.

But there are some very good arguments for abortion, many outside the typical "what if the fetus has got an awful illness" or "what if the girl is raped"

There are too many examples of how a child's life could foreseeably be worse than a few minutes with a vacuum tube - how many impoverished neighborhoods, drug-addicted mothers, 11 - 12 -13 year old mothers, etc. are really in the ideal situation for a child to live? Realistically, some kids never have a chance. I support a woman courageous enough to know that she has no business being responsible for another life and defer judgment to a higher being.

I agree with skinny Neils,nobody is "for" abortion.

im kinda against murder so i have to say no to abortion.

haha,just Kinda against murder? Im totally against it.

It's laughable that everyone who is against abortions is a "religious fanatic". Yeah right. Can't deal with someone else's opinion without degrading them?

Anyway...this question is far too simple for the complex issue it has to do with. What about the people who are only for abortion in certain situations?

For one, it certainly is NOT as simple as "it's her body, she can do what she wants". That's a total cop-out, and if you are "for" abortion, please try and come up with something better than that weak-ass ****. If it is consenting sex, the man has a say also, or should, as without his effort there would be no baby either. Just because the baby grows inside the woman, does not mean the choice should be hers as to what to do with the baby. Babies are not things you just throw away because it is inconvenient for you to deal with. What a trashy society we have come to if we believe in that.

I believe if a woman is raped, she could reasonable have the option of abortion. I believe if it is a very young child (under 15 perhaps) then abortion MIGHT be on the table, but maybe not, because there are PLENTY of people who want children to adopt.

Choosing abortion because of irresponsibility or bad-luck should be flat out illegal. No matter what protection you use, if you are HAVING SEX (and babies still are made by sex, right?) then you know there is a chance of pregnancy. If you have a baby, deal. Give it up for adoption, care for it, whatever you have to do.

If my gf got pregnant I would tell her to do adoption or just keep it. That's ****ing life.

If someone would have known that MacKay phukkface make me take a dip**** evrytime his phukkface pops up then I would have vote yes for abortion in a heartbeat. But since I'm Catholic I am against abortion. Phukkface MacKay is an exception to the rule though. ha ha ha ha ha . much love :luvbed:

i am pro life. yes i am a catholic, but im not a religious pyscho either. its what i believe, and im sticking to it.
the exception to the this rule is rape. however, while reserching abortion for a school project, less than 3% of all cases of abortion are related to rape.
also, the supreme court ruled that the feuts is considered alive at the time of conception, therefore resulting that abortion is actully the killing of another human being. that in mind, just because some girl had sex without protection and "isnt ready" for a child, does that mean she should murder it?
it doesnt seem fair

If Phukkface MacKay momma would have known that his phukkface son will be curse, She would gone for abortion. I am pro life but MacKay is like despicable. senza valore, sin valor, riquiqui ha haha haha rha haha :luvbed:

I have a similar take as Neils. There are too many unwanted and uncared for children in this country already. For everyone bringing up the point of some people wanting children and being unable to have them I will just pose a simple question. Why are there still so many children living in foster homes, orphanages etc...? If everyone is so concerned with giving unborn children a chance then why aren't they bothered by the fact that many children who are already on the face of this planet don't have a real home?

Crazy girl at a prolife rally:

http://www.noob.us/humor/crazy-girl-at-a-pro-life-rally/

you should have a choice. That's all.

I haven't read this whole thread.
Who are you that you feel you have the right to kill a baby, an innocent and wonderful human being? Do you think babies, just because they cannot defend themselves, have no right to live? It's so disgusting, I could puke.

only if the women has been raped. in my opinion its not like there isnt enough contraception around. it aint like they dont know whats going to happen.