UNDER OATH, Hopkins RELUCTANTLY admits not fighting Tito for the 5mil he was UNDER CONTRACT to do for a rematch (breaking his contract and demanding 7mil), admitting he KNEW tito wanted and was trying to persue a rematch.

Hmm...interesting indeed. Any thoughts on this? I am personally not a big Tito or Hopkins fan.

I do not think Hopkins would duck the guy that he gave a one sided beating from the opening bell and what does Tito have that is exxactly a threat to Hopkins....

(this goes for the nuthuggers)

Well, you never know if there was money involved the first time. Setup? Who knows. Only the parties involved can tell it like it was.

bernard doesnt want any challenges this late in his career, he just likes to fight robert allen. hopkins needs to fight taylor.

Hmm...interesting indeed. Any thoughts on this? I am personally not a big Tito or Hopkins fan.


where did you get the court transcript from?http://dula-mitchell038.jpg

Hopkins is scared, cause this time Trinidad would come in with another gameplan, leaving Hopkins without anything to study.
Last time he knew how he would come in, this time he wont.

tito doesnt know anything else besides coming foward and throwing bombs. B_hop wants to get paid for all those years he was champion and never getting the millions

Yeah, but, guys.......Hopkins admitted that he didn't want to fight Trinidad back then when the rematch was proposed. He said he was too one-dimensional. He purposefully priced himself out of the rematch.

Yeah, but, guys.......Hopkins admitted that he didn't want to fight Trinidad back then when the rematch was proposed. He said he was too one-dimensional. He purposefully priced himself out of the rematch.
So he fought Allen three times cause hes five-dimensional?
The way you guys make excuses for Hopkins is sad. :(

I agree Hopkins shouldnt have fought so many bums back then

but all the options came now

Taylor was never a prospect, DLH just moved up and he fought, RJJ was busy with the HW, now that Glen Johnson is a big name and Tarver, Taylor ir a prospect, now theres Winky and Sturm etc, there was never any big fights for him, now there is...
but his fighting Taylor in July...

So he fought Allen three times cause hes five-dimensional?
The way you guys make excuses for Hopkins is sad. :(
im not a huge fan of either, but i hate trinidad. neway, i still think hopkins would win, and maybe even in better fashion. he's 40 now, he doesn't wana take fights with a HUGE risk, unless the money is right for him. hes gona retire soon, so he wants to get sum extra cash

So he fought Allen three times cause hes five-dimensional?
The way you guys make excuses for Hopkins is sad. :(

haha. yea i know. he must have seen something in Carl Daniels and Hakkar that was more impressive than Tito's one dimensional assault. we all know how exciting those two fights were.
eastman looked like he was fighting underwater he threw punches so slow.

anyway. i think the point of this thread was to point out that Tito did pursue a fight with Hopkins. I dont think hopkins was afraid of tito either though. he probably just saw the tito rematch as his ultimate payday and when he didnt get the money he wanted....well we all know Hopkins. After the Tito fight, Hopkins did things his way and only his way. a regular frank sinatra.

there was never a big fighter who could have faced at middleweight.

So he fought Allen three times cause hes five-dimensional?
The way you guys make excuses for Hopkins is sad. :(


hopkins fault allen 3 times because he earned the mandatory spot 3 times.

if trinidad wanted a rematch that bad a couple wins at middleweight would have forced it.

hopkins fault allen 3 times because he earned the mandatory spot 3 times.

if trinidad wanted a rematch that bad a couple wins at middleweight would have forced it.
Time will tell, cause after he beats Winky, he will be the #1 condenter to all of Hopkins belts, and Allen didnt do none of that here is his record.
http://boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=004998
Fight ruled a NC after Hopkins was injured when accidentally pushed out of the ring by referee Lane, who was trying to break up one of the many clinches. :D

Time will tell, cause after he beats Winky, he will be the #1 condenter to all of Hopkins belts, and Allen didnt do none of that here is his record.
http://boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=004998
Fight ruled a NC after Hopkins was injured when accidentally pushed out of the ring by referee Lane, who was trying to break up one of the many clinches. :D

Holy ****! I didn't know that Hopkins got injured when the referee pushed him out of the ring. That is hilarious.

when I saw there 3rd matchup all I heard was how great Hopkins is and how much he beat allen up the first two times. I don't think they even mentioned it. it would have been hilarious.

Maybe Hopkins thought that he was going to be part of the next legendary trilogy in boxing. That's why he faced Allen three times. That was going to be his Ali-Frazier or Barrera-Morales tribute. A sure entry into the Hall of Fame.

bernard doesnt want any challenges this late in his career, he just likes to fight robert allen. hopkins needs to fight taylor.

I have to agree..on both counts!

Hmm...interesting indeed. Any thoughts on this? I am personally not a big Tito or Hopkins fan.
It sure as **** wasn't because he feared Tito! I like Tito but I haven't seen Bernard more in control of any fighter he's faced since then than he was that night.

Probably had more to do with the fact that after dominating Trinidad he realized how ridiculous it was for him to risk everything and STILL receive the small piece of the pie AGAIN versus Trinidad.

If they really wanted to fight, you'd think Trinidad would sacrifice a part of his purse or persuade the promoter to make it a more equitable split.

"Hopkins did not want a rematch" is quite a misleading title. Of course he wanted to get paid the largest purse he'd ever received again; he just wanted to get what he should have.

Maybe Hopkins thought that he was going to be part of the next legendary trilogy in boxing. That's why he faced Allen three times. That was going to be his Ali-Frazier or Barrera-Morales tribute. A sure entry into the Hall of Fame.


Well, the thing about Legendar Nights is that the fights have to meet certain standards to be worthy of that series...not one of their 3 bouts made anyone's heart speed up a bit, so I dont think they would ever enter it...besides, it's also based on whats going on outside the ring where the fight and both fighters are concerned. Hopkins-Allen..was there alot of drama before any of their fights?

Well, the thing about Legendar Nights is that the fights have to meet certain standards to be worthy of that series...not one of their 3 bouts made anyone's heart speed up a bit, so I dont think they would ever enter it...besides, it's also based on whats going on outside the ring where the fight and both fighters are concerned. Hopkins-Allen..was there alot of drama before any of their fights?

I was being sarcastic. Allen sucks!

I was being sarcastic. Allen sucks!

Lol, gotcha! :D But honestly, with Nards ego, it wouldnt surprise me if that was his mentality! :rolleyes:

Maybe Hopkins thought that he was going to be part of the next legendary trilogy in boxing. That's why he faced Allen three times. That was going to be his Ali-Frazier or Barrera-Morales tribute. A sure entry into the Hall of Fame.
Man, this is pitiful. How the hell can you bag on the most accomplished fighter of your generation for his competition especially when Trinidad's record is littered with dead bodies BEFORE he ever got in the ring with em! Who were all those ****ers he beat before "defeating" DLH? Are you ****ing kidding? When he "beat" DLH he didn't even think he won; he was relieved to win but he knew in his heart he was getting the **** beat out of him every round that Oscar actually fought. Trinidad's recorded opponents are the one thing none of his nuthuggers refer to because ... well, he fought a buncha chumps for the most part. Swee Pea wasn't the same fighter and likely an addict at the time they met.

The only reasons Tito might be keen to fight Hopkins again is for the same reason he did the first time: he wants to steal all Hopkins claim to greatness and assume it himself. He knows Hopkins is an aging fighter and likely less capable than before, he'll make a mint for it and he may have forgotten how impotent he looked flailing away with his hook and getting beaten silly til he looked like he'd been doing cocaine himself.

His ONLY hope is that Hopkins starts showing his age and tht doesn't speak much for big bad Tito. He still won't be facing a welterweight like Mayorga and I would still pick Hopkins if they meet in the next 9 months.

Man, this is pitiful. How the hell can you bag on the most accomplished fighter of your generation for his competition especially when Trinidad's record is littered with dead bodies BEFORE he ever got in the ring with em! Who were all those ****ers he beat before "defeating" DLH? Are you ****ing kidding? When he "beat" DLH he didn't even think he won; he was relieved to win but he knew in his heart he was getting the **** beat out of him every round that Oscar actually fought. Trinidad's recorded opponents are the one thing none of his nuthuggers refer to because ... well, he fought a buncha chumps for the most part. Swee Pea wasn't the same fighter and likely an addict at the time they met.

The only reasons Tito might be keen to fight Hopkins again is for the same reason he did the first time: he wants to steal all Hopkins claim to greatness and assume it himself. He knows Hopkins is an aging fighter and likely less capable than before, he'll make a mint for it and he may have forgotten how impotent he looked flailing away with his hook and getting beaten silly til he looked like he'd been doing cocaine himself.

His ONLY hope is that Hopkins starts showing his age and tht doesn't speak much for big bad Tito. He still won't be facing a welterweight like Mayorga and I would still pick Hopkins if they meet in the next 9 months.

No one is bashing the guy. Maybe if you paid attention you would not have to write all that testament. The point here is about the fights he chose and the justifications, not what the man has accomplished in his very solid career. Do you feel like you know everything and you are always right? Because most of your posts are criticizing others' opinions. Learn to deal with the comments made by others.

No one is bashing the guy. Maybe if you paid attention you would not have to write all that testament. The point here is about the fights he chose and the justifications, not what the man has accomplished in his very solid career. Do you feel like you know everything and you are always right? Because most of your posts are criticizing others' opinions. Learn to deal with the comments made by others.
Shaolin Bushido sounds like a nuthuger, I'm senseing he has emotional problems.

So he fought Allen three times cause hes five-dimensional?
The way you guys make excuses for Hopkins is sad. :(

What do you want Hopkins to do, kid?

He fights Allen once, the fight is a no-contest,. He fights him again and tko's him, Allen earns a shot by becoming a mandatory, so Hopkins fights him again (a 3rd time) not wanting to get stripped. If a champ doesn't fight a mandatory challenger in the time allowed, he gets stripped. Why are you acting like you're new to boxing or something?

The whole Robert Allen argument is weak.

No one is bashing the guy. Maybe if you paid attention you would not have to write all that testament. The point here is about the fights he chose and the justifications, not what the man has accomplished in his very solid career. Do you feel like you know everything and you are always right? Because most of your posts are criticizing others' opinions. Learn to deal with the comments made by others.
Look son, why the **** are you worrying about the length or content of my posts? I read dozens that are longer and more retarded on here every ****ing day. I might take your advice more seriously if you weren't so condescending and had some credibility with me but I actually don't ever recall any of your posts.

I posted my thoughts and moved on but obviously you need to learn to deal with comments made by others yourself.

Iwatchboxing ... suck a dick.

Hopkins is scared, cause this time Trinidad would come in with another gameplan, leaving Hopkins without anything to study.
Last time he knew how he would come in, this time he wont.


what proves that Tito would have a new gameplan? He fights the same way every single fight, when someone figures him out, he becomes ordinary. That is why he lost to Hopkins the first time, he probably would have beaten bernard if he wasnt so one-dimensional. If he could have altered his gameplan the first time(why didnt he, if he's going to do it now? was it the socks?) it certainly would have been a different fight. There's no way Hopkins would be scared of a man that he pummeled into semi-retirement. Plain and simple. I know your PR and a Tito fan, but its the truth.

If Hopkins was scared of a rematch with Tito (No way guys!) Why did TITO RETIRE and not Hopkins? Can you please explain that to me Iwatchboxing?

hopkins aint scared of no one, period!! all he is trying to do is set up the maximum payday before he hangs up the gloves, for one. two, you never know what is the deal with all his legal problems. he's got the don king thing lingering around, the lou dibella thing going on, who knows what else. but the politics in boxing are a *****. after getting all the legal **** out of the way, and negotiating for money and things, the fighting is the easy part( not really) but you have two fights going on there....
ignorance says he's scared, and stupidity says he prices himself too high, when in reality the mans conducting bussiness and boxing...plus i'm sure there is alot more going on then we are even aware about.......either way he'll ko tito again, no worries there, tito hasn't changed!!!

what proves that Tito would have a new gameplan? He fights the same way every single fight, when someone figures him out, he becomes ordinary. That is why he lost to Hopkins the first time, he probably would have beaten bernard if he wasnt so one-dimensional. If he could have altered his gameplan the first time(why didnt he, if he's going to do it now? was it the socks?) it certainly would have been a different fight. There's no way Hopkins would be scared of a man that he pummeled into semi-retirement. Plain and simple. I know your PR and a Tito fan, but its the truth.
Ha, so the true nuthugger is outted! There's no need for iwatchboxing to even respond anymore. At least my opinion is based on actual events and not an accident of birth.

If I admire Hopkins, it's based on his accomplishments and not his nationality.

Ok, Ive had enough.

Tito is a 1 dimmensional fighter, who blinds people with his punching power. For anyone to say, that Hopkins "got lucky" against him, is ridiculous, And Nuthugging in Itself. There is no way Tito will win a rematch....because he is not that good a fighter. He was lucky enough to have wrapped his hands against Joppy, who would have beat him with "another gameplan" like some of you say about the 1st Tito/Nard meeting. He will get outboxed by Wright, who is IMO also a better fighter than Tito, and was thoroughly outclassed by DLH (who was robbed), and was on the verge of knocking Trinidad out in the early rounds. Why he ran? who knows. You would really be setting yourself up for disaster, if you are assuming Tito is any different since the first match.


Beat Mayorga?

Please. Mayorga sucks dick. He is one of the most 1 dimmensional mediocre fighters, who impressed people with his punching power as well. Catching Forrest with a lucky punch, as well as blowing Andrew "Six Deaths" Lewis out of the water. Look what happened when that retard faced Spinks. He was completely dominated round after next. He also was made to look silly against Forrest in their second fight.

There were points of the Tito/Mayo fight, that reminded me of exactly Tito lost to Nard.......he does not know how to box. Any fighter with a jab, who can distance himself, will easily outbox him. That is a FACT.

It seems hilarious and unwarranted that some of you label others "nard nuthuggers" when someone needs a spatula to remove you from Tito's nutsack. He is not that interesting a fighter anyway.

Cheato Trinidaddy's Boy. (like SturmRules Says). That is exactly what he has become in my eyes. A 1 dimmensional cheater, who has an overly accute annoying fan following.

Cheato Trinidaddy's Boy. (like SturmRules Says). That is exactly what he has become in my eyes. A 1 dimmensional cheater, who has an overly accute annoying fan following.

He is actually 1 dimensional borikua without a chin, Hearns would destroy him...I bet if u tie Hearns's right hand so he can't use it, he would outbox Trinidad with his jab, might even tko him....quit nuthuggin Trinidad, once he gets outclassed by Winky, watch Winkys name go up like Hopkins did, Sturm would even give tito a boxing lesson...

Winky will be my hero when the Trinidad nuthuggers stop nuthugging!

You know what I don't get...

everyone compares Hearns to Trinidad...they were not even close to similar, Hearns had a beautiful jab, he had a beautiful right hand, he had beautiful footwork, he had beautiful everythin except a chin, but made up for it with power, and he had heart...

Trinidad just has uhhhhhh.....a beautiful left hook with a nice straight right hand, no jab, no footwork, no skills, no defense...

Ok, Ive had enough.

Tito is a 1 dimmensional fighter, who blinds people with his punching power. For anyone to say, that Hopkins "got lucky" against him, is ridiculous, And Nuthugging in Itself. There is no way Tito will win a rematch....because he is not that good a fighter. He was lucky enough to have wrapped his hands against Joppy, who would have beat him with "another gameplan" like some of you say about the 1st Tito/Nard meeting. He will get outboxed by Wright, who is IMO also a better fighter than Tito, and was thoroughly outclassed by DLH (who was robbed), and was on the verge of knocking Trinidad out in the early rounds. Why he ran? who knows. You would really be setting yourself up for disaster, if you are assuming Tito is any different since the first match.


Beat Mayorga?

Please. Mayorga sucks dick. He is one of the most 1 dimmensional mediocre fighters, who impressed people with his punching power as well. Catching Forrest with a lucky punch, as well as blowing Andrew "Six Deaths" Lewis out of the water. Look what happened when that retard faced Spinks. He was completely dominated round after next. He also was made to look silly against Forrest in their second fight.

There were points of the Tito/Mayo fight, that reminded me of exactly Tito lost to Nard.......he does not know how to box. Any fighter with a jab, who can distance himself, will easily outbox him. That is a FACT.

It seems hilarious and unwarranted that some of you label others "nard nuthuggers" when someone needs a spatula to remove you from Tito's nutsack. He is not that interesting a fighter anyway.

Cheato Trinidaddy's Boy. (like SturmRules Says). That is exactly what he has become in my eyes. A 1 dimmensional cheater, who has an overly accute annoying fan following.
Y'know, I paid attention to the posts of Godzhand, duece_drop and Runw/knives and I can definitely deal with the comments they made!Hahahahahaahahaha.

exciterx and iwatchboxing you totally have embarassed yourselves as two hypocritical nuthugging partisan fake ass boxing critics and **** you, very much. I choke myself just for mistaking your posts for a second as an honest, thoughtful expression of an intelligent poster and his retarded brother.

You may have boxing knowledge but it's totally discreditted by your obvious preference for one nation's fighters ... or is it a territory?

I forget.

No one is bashing the guy. Maybe if you paid attention you would not have to write all that testament. The point here is about the fights he chose and the justifications, not what the man has accomplished in his very solid career. Do you feel like you know everything and you are always right? Because most of your posts are criticizing others' opinions. Learn to deal with the comments made by others.
This is why I said that. He sounds SOOOO logical and objective, here.

You haters need to stop with that grandpa **** of Hearns was god ect, cause Trinidad would KO his ass, he got KO'd in three rounds by Hagler, and Benitez was right on his level during their time, get with the times, Trinidad is a good fighter, he use to box very well, you guys act like you started watching boxing yesterday, and were brainwashed by old guys, Trinidad has moved up in weight, and still is doing good, unlike Duran who you guys worthship, Tito wins most of his fights, infact lost only once to date.

Hearns fought an uncharacteristic fight that night. He rushed in and decided to prove a point. Just like William Joppy did against Trinidad, if the two were to use their boxing skill (which I might say....supercedes Trinidads), the outcome of their respective fights would have been different.
Ecuses


Good, but not God.
You said it, not me, so you must think it.


never seen that side of the slugger before.
Put on Campas or his fight with Thaim, even DLH.


What era did Benitez fight in again?
Benitez fought Hearns, hes one of the reasons Hearns is so highly regarded, and their fights descion was disputed.

Watch, seriously man. Is being Puerto Rican the only thing that matters in assessing a fighter's talent level
And dont give me that Puerto Rican thing, cause Mexicans are the ones who call Chavez god, its not us, you guys keep confusing us for you.

Where's the risk. Don't you all say that BHop dominated Tito easily. If you are that superior you can do it twice. NO FEAR!

Your argument don't make sense for all practical purposes.

BIG MONEY + SUPERIOR SKILLS =NO FEAR. Then why be scared?

Where's the risk. Don't you all say that BHop dominated Tito easily. If you are that superior you can do it twice. NO FEAR!All they had to do was pay the man. You act as if Trinidad had something to lose compared to Hopkins.

Trinidad was the reason the gate was so big.

Hopkins was the reason Trinidad had to keep fighting apparently, since he retired and yet he did retire rather than get up off some of the money he'd have made so he could get his revenge.

Now ... who didn't want the fight again?

Man, this is pitiful. How the hell can you bag on the most accomplished fighter of your generation for his competition especially when Trinidad's record is littered with dead bodies BEFORE he ever got in the ring with em! Who were all those ****ers he beat before "defeating" DLH? Are you ****ing kidding? When he "beat" DLH he didn't even think he won; he was relieved to win but he knew in his heart he was getting the **** beat out of him every round that Oscar actually fought. Trinidad's recorded opponents are the one thing none of his nuthuggers refer to because ... well, he fought a buncha chumps for the most part. Swee Pea wasn't the same fighter and likely an addict at the time they met.

The only reasons Tito might be keen to fight Hopkins again is for the same reason he did the first time: he wants to steal all Hopkins claim to greatness and assume it himself. He knows Hopkins is an aging fighter and likely less capable than before, he'll make a mint for it and he may have forgotten how impotent he looked flailing away with his hook and getting beaten silly til he looked like he'd been doing cocaine himself.

His ONLY hope is that Hopkins starts showing his age and tht doesn't speak much for big bad Tito. He still won't be facing a welterweight like Mayorga and I would still pick Hopkins if they meet in the next 9 months.
Here is a list of fighters he beat before DLH: he THOROUGHLY OUTBOXED Camacho (a pure, southpaw boxer), KO'd Yory Boy Campas who was 56-0 w/ 50 KOs at the time, Oba Carr (undefeated at 32-0 at the time), and Whitaker (who had arguably not lost even though he had been through drug rehab). You seem to be a DLH nuthugger, tho, but fail to realize how many fighters DLH has faced after Trinidad beat them (Oba Carr, Fernando Vargas, Yory Boy Campas, and Camacho) and all the gift decisions he has received (Whitaker, John Molina, Ike Quartey, and Felix Sturm). Also, he picks on washed up fighters like Campas and JC Superstar. DLH hasn't been good since he fought at 135. He was mediocre at 140 and 147, and a shadow of himself at 154 and 160. I just love it when people try and say that Trinidad got a gift against DLH but they forget how many gifts DLH had previously.


If Hopkins was scared of a rematch with Tito (No way guys!) Why did TITO RETIRE and not Hopkins? Can you please explain that to me Iwatchboxing?
Tito retired, according to his father, because there were no big fights left for him. DLH kept pricing himself out of a rematch, Hopkins wasn't trying to fight him for whatever reason, and there was nobody else left to fight. He fought Cherifi with the hopes that Hopkins would fight him after Daniels but Hopkins again renegged on the contract (as shown by court transcripts and the reason HBO is siding with DKP instead of with Hopkins) and didn't fight for over a year when he then took on Hakkar. Tito saw no reason to stay since Hopkins didn't want the fight. He came back because of the posibility to fight Hopkins and because he missed the sport. I won't get into arguments about who would defeat whom in a rematch (I believe Tito would edge him out this time). We'll just have to agree to disagree and wait for the fight to happen (and I believe it will be Nards next AND last fight).

Well said. Let's see now what happens on May 14...

Here is a list of fighters he beat before DLH: he THOROUGHLY OUTBOXED Camacho (a pure, southpaw boxer), KO'd Yory Boy Campas who was 56-0 w/ 50 KOs at the time, Oba Carr (undefeated at 32-0 at the time), and Whitaker (who had arguably not lost even though he had been through drug rehab). You seem to be a DLH nuthugger, tho, but fail to realize how many fighters DLH has faced after Trinidad beat them (Oba Carr, Fernando Vargas, Yory Boy Campas, and Camacho) and all the gift decisions he has received (Whitaker, John Molina, Ike Quartey, and Felix Sturm). Also, he picks on washed up fighters like Campas and JC Superstar. DLH hasn't been good since he fought at 135. He was mediocre at 140 and 147, and a shadow of himself at 154 and 160. I just love it when people try and say that Trinidad got a gift against DLH but they forget how many gifts DLH had previously.



Tito retired, according to his father, because there were no big fights left for him. DLH kept pricing himself out of a rematch, Hopkins wasn't trying to fight him for whatever reason, and there was nobody else left to fight. He fought Cherifi with the hopes that Hopkins would fight him after Daniels but Hopkins again renegged on the contract (as shown by court transcripts and the reason HBO is siding with DKP instead of with Hopkins) and didn't fight for over a year when he then took on Hakkar. Tito saw no reason to stay since Hopkins didn't want the fight. He came back because of the posibility to fight Hopkins and because he missed the sport. I won't get into arguments about who would defeat whom in a rematch (I believe Tito would edge him out this time). We'll just have to agree to disagree and wait for the fight to happen (and I believe it will be Nards next AND last fight).Haha, don't make me laugh boy. Me, a DLH nuthugger? You muh****a's love throwin that around but you may as well stop. That **** isn't provocative to me at all. As a matter of fact I love talkin **** to racists cunts like yourself.

As I just remarked to one of my friends, Tito wouldn't piss on you if you were on FIRE and probably would never acknowledge any type of connection to you so you may as well get off his dick; he likes females.

As I told one of your other boricua's(how many muh****as have a version of that username here) your knowledge may be impressive as far as boxing but you should learn how to express yourself decently. Maybe ... just maybe someone will actually hear you despite your mouth being full of Tito's ****.

**** off, Shaolin dickhead! You think that your goddamn opinions are facts and if they disagree with you then they are nuthuggers. What the **** have I written to be a nuthugger, you jerkoff! Just stay the **** away and find something better to do with your worthless time. It seems like you get off starting feuds with other posters who don't even give a **** about what you think. I am not the only one here who noticed this ****.

**** off, Shaolin dickhead! You think that your goddamn opinions are facts and if they disagree with you then they are nuthuggers. What the **** have I written to be a nuthugger, you jerkoff! Just stay the **** away and find something better to do with your worthless time. It seems like you get off starting feuds with other posters who don't even give a **** about what you think. I am not the only one here who noticed this ****.So. You should view your own trash and then open your suck, *****. I challenge anyone to objectively view an exchange I've had with some cunt who's taken exception to my posts and tell me I initiated a nasty discussion.

I just don't take your ****ing ****.

*scans thread, satisfied of the idiocy of detractor's comments, then pisses all over boricua, borikua, BORICUA, Boriqua and excited*

Oops, you looked alittle hot there, boss.

So. You should view your own trash and then open your suck, *****. I challenge anyone to objectively view an exchange I've had with some cunt who's taken exception to my posts and tell me I initiated a nasty discussion.

I just don't take your ****ing ****.

Sure, and that makes you a big gun, right? I have never quoted you, criticize your stupid opinion or anything. Then you start assuming **** that I did not even mean. You started to write that I was dissing Hopkins when all I was doing was a sarcastic joke and I even explained it to Tracy Lee. I've seen how you start to call other users nuthuggers or even worse **** if they have a point of view that differs from yours. You write about expressing yourself decently, well, why don't you start to do it yourself? If you have a doubt about what somebody mean, ask them or just stay away, because that attitude is not the appropiate one. In other words, your approach sucks.

Sure, and that makes you a big gun, right? I have never quoted you, criticize you stupid opinion or anything. Then you start assuming **** that I did not even mean. You started to write that I was dissing Hopkins when all I was doing was a sarcastic joke and I even explained it to Tracy Lee. I've seen how you start to call other users nuthuggers or even worse **** if they have a point of view that differs from yours. You write about expressing yourself decently, well, why don't you start to do it yourself? If you have a doubt about what somebody meant. Ask them or just stay away, because that attitude is not the appropiate one. In other words, your approach sucks.As does yours, son. Look! There's something in your own eye!

My initial post ... the one that you and one of those other guys jumped on and made nasty ****ed up comments about(you probably don't remember that one), even the nuthugging **** is just a blatant lie. The only reason for even bringing that up in a boxing discussion is to taunt or infuriate. I recognize that but it far from infuriates me; it makes me want to taunt and infuriate you! If it works, fine. If not. That's fine too! Obviously I accomplished that with you. You better get over it cause there ain't a damn thing you can do about it.

Treat me differently, I might treat you differntly. I don't ****in bow down to no one who disrespects me nor should I.

Take that for what it's worth.

*scans thread, satisfied of the idiocy of detractor's comments, then pisses all over boricua, borikua, BORICUA, Boriqua and excited*

Oops, you looked alittle hot there, boss.


Watch your mouth boy...

Watch your mouth boy...Boy! Hold me back ... *yawns and scratches ass*

Watch your mouth boy...

No le hagas caso al pelabichos ese.

No le hagas caso al pelabichos ese.Yeahhhhhh! You tell him! You boys better lay off the pork ... that ****'ll kill ya.

Watch your mouth boy...

Its a damn shame that another good thread goes to **** simply cause somebody just doesnt know how to talk to others! All the name calling and insults is stupid and doesnt make good debating..who the hell wants to debate with someone that calls you names just for having a different opinion? This site would be so boring if we all agreed, yet this crap starts when we all dont...makes no sense. Guess thats why I only get into real heavy debates with people that can handle my difference of opinion, and you've always been one of them Borikua. Unfortunately there are only a handful that wont act like a kid and see who can use the most shocking terms for lack of better debating skills! :rolleyes:

You should be a moderator Tracy...

Its a damn shame that another good thread goes to **** simply cause somebody just doesnt know how to talk to others! All the name calling and insults is stupid and doesnt make good debating..who the hell wants to debate with someone that calls you names just for having a different opinion? This site would be so boring if we all agreed, yet this crap starts when we all dont...makes no sense. Guess thats why I only get into real heavy debates with people that can handle my difference of opinion, and you've always been one of them Borikua. Unfortunately there are only a handful that wont act like a kid and see who can use the most shocking terms for lack of better debating skills! :rolleyes:

So you agree with what I wrote about this Bush guy?

Its a damn shame that another good thread goes to **** simply cause somebody just doesnt know how to talk to others! All the name calling and insults is stupid and doesnt make good debating..who the hell wants to debate with someone that calls you names just for having a different opinion? This site would be so boring if we all agreed, yet this crap starts when we all dont...makes no sense. Guess thats why I only get into real heavy debates with people that can handle my difference of opinion, and you've always been one of them Borikua. Unfortunately there are only a handful that wont act like a kid and see who can use the most shocking terms for lack of better debating skills! :rolleyes:If you mean to address me, then do it like a woman. Don't try to offend or provoke me with this silly ass ****. You don't know me and if you objectively review this thread you'll eat your words and apologize if you were any kind of woman.

If you're gonna dip, dip down deep.

You should be a moderator Tracy...

Man I dont have the time..but thanks. I cant say too much..when I first joined and for several mo's afterwards, I used to let the people here get to me and I would get so damn mad and give it right back. I finally realized that people that stoop to that type of **** have issues they need to address and/or complete losers; I mean come on, how much validation can one get from telling somebody off with namecalling, etc. on the net?? It's rediculous...and 90% of the crap they may say they'd never say to your face. Once I realized that man it just didnt bother me anymore. I've got a kid that seems to think I'm the "stuff" and that is all the hell that will ever matter to me, if you know what I mean. From the mouth of babes, she thinks I'm a pretty decent person, and that's all the validation I need. There's nothing cool about calling somebody a cunt or whatever for daring to disagree with you. Pretty stupid I think! :rolleyes:

If you mean to address me, then do it like a woman. Don't try to offend or provoke me with this silly ass ****. You don't know me and if you objectively review this thread you'll eat your words and apologize if you were any kind of woman.

If you're gonna dip, dip down deep.


I'm adressing anyone that would call another person a cunt for disagreeing. Apologize to you?? I didnt try to provoke or offend you see cause I dont give a rats ass what you think...clear?
I was talking to Borikua, you dont have to like it. It's called a difference of opinion. Any kind of woman? I'm woman enough to not partake in the stupid kiddie name calling...sorry to disappoint you.

Man, this is pitiful. How the hell can you bag on the most accomplished fighter of your generation for his competition especially when Trinidad's record is littered with dead bodies BEFORE he ever got in the ring with em! Who were all those ****ers he beat before "defeating" DLH? Are you ****ing kidding? When he "beat" DLH he didn't even think he won; he was relieved to win but he knew in his heart he was getting the **** beat out of him every round that Oscar actually fought. Trinidad's recorded opponents are the one thing none of his nuthuggers refer to because ... well, he fought a buncha chumps for the most part. Swee Pea wasn't the same fighter and likely an addict at the time they met.

The only reasons Tito might be keen to fight Hopkins again is for the same reason he did the first time: he wants to steal all Hopkins claim to greatness and assume it himself. He knows Hopkins is an aging fighter and likely less capable than before, he'll make a mint for it and he may have forgotten how impotent he looked flailing away with his hook and getting beaten silly til he looked like he'd been doing cocaine himself.

His ONLY hope is that Hopkins starts showing his age and tht doesn't speak much for big bad Tito. He still won't be facing a welterweight like Mayorga and I would still pick Hopkins if they meet in the next 9 months.I agree with Stacy. Stacy for MOD!

She's ENLIGHTENED!

Tito retired, according to his father, because there were no big fights left for him. DLH kept pricing himself out of a rematch, Hopkins wasn't trying to fight him for whatever reason, and there was nobody else left to fight. He fought Cherifi with the hopes that Hopkins would fight him after Daniels but Hopkins again renegged on the contract (as shown by court transcripts and the reason HBO is siding with DKP instead of with Hopkins) and didn't fight for over a year when he then took on Hakkar. Tito saw no reason to stay since Hopkins didn't want the fight. He came back because of the posibility to fight Hopkins and because he missed the sport. I won't get into arguments about who would defeat whom in a rematch (I believe Tito would edge him out this time). We'll just have to agree to disagree and wait for the fight to happen (and I believe it will be Nards next AND last fight).



According to Tito's father, Tito was winning the fight against Hopkins until he got KO'd. Anyone remember that?

According to Tito's father, Tito was winning the fight against Hopkins until he got KO'd. Anyone remember that?Shhhh, they're having a group hug now. Only Trinidad supporters are logical in this thread.LOL

Oh yeah, that's my horrible initial post in this thread up there. It's pretty tame compared to the responses I got from ... some really smart guy.

Although Hopkins beat tito in a decisive way, He did not want to fight him again and risk trinidad landing something heavy on that chin and losing because he would be right back where he was before he fought tito.(making pennies instead of millions) He wanted to take the new recognition and run with it. He became the guy to beat, he was calling his own shots & negotiating money . Hopkins did the smart thing and stayed away from tito so he can have some retirement money. BOTTOM LINE!!!

According to Tito's father, Tito was winning the fight against Hopkins until he got KO'd. Anyone remember that?

See this fight was right before my time..but I've got it downloaded, so I'll watch it soon! Damn, gotta go..the kiddies home! :D

According to Tito's father, Tito was winning the fight against Hopkins until he got KO'd. Anyone remember that?

It's his father, what did you expect...and wath do you mean by pointing that out?

See this fight was right before my time..but I've got it downloaded, so I'll watch it soon! Damn, gotta go..the kiddies home! :D


Yep, a horrible thing that was. Delusional pride. Lampley points out that Tito's dad is telling him he's winning around the 10th or 11th i think.

I have a proposition, guys. As i see you have started an all out war between nard fans and tito fans. Why not one from each side talk to Rockin1 than (if he agrees o'cose) will sign up your fighter(nard and tito respectively) and we will have a dream rematch that you all want so much. It will be Tito against B-Hop.
I propose Exciterx to be a manager of Trinidad and definately Jack the Rippuh to be the manager of Hopkins. If you are interested pm me or Rockin. I think we will be able to workout this little feud.
Have a nice day.
Member of Rumblin' Rockin Production, BrooklynBomber.

BTW. the only similarity between Hearns and Tito is their ko power. Hearns style was nothing like tito's. its just some people that dont watch boxing much think that tito is the second coming of the Hitman. And also that stupid The Ring magazine.

Hmmmmmm, like who gives a ****. Hopkins beat Tito fair and square and that will stand. If Hopkins gives a rematch i think he`ll win but why risk losing.
Tito is younger. Better for Nard to sit back and retire nicely and Tito can maybe at his age do something impressive. If Hopkins remains the only fighter to beat Tito in his prime then it`ll add to his rep after time. Tito needs to beat Hop, Hop doesn`t need to beat Tito AGAIN! In a way, Tito is Nard`s *****!

You haters need to stop with that grandpa **** of Hearns was god ect, cause Trinidad would KO his ass, he got KO'd in three rounds by Hagler, and Benitez was right on his level during their time, get with the times, Trinidad is a good fighter, he use to box very well, you guys act like you started watching boxing yesterday, and were brainwashed by old guys, Trinidad has moved up in weight, and still is doing good, unlike Duran who you guys worthship, Tito wins most of his fights, infact lost only once to date.


I got no beef with u bro...

but Tito knock out Hearns?? HAHAHAH...other way around
Hears is god....

I got no beef with u bro...

but Tito knock out Hearns?? HAHAHAH...other way around
Hears is god....
Hearns aint no god, because there is only one god and it is Walker Smith, you f....g pagan :D But Thomas is sure as hell one of the best fighters to get into the ring. And with hearns's style it is a total mismatch for Tito. Felix likes when his opponents stand infront of him and dont hit vey hard. Tommy on the other hand is the mean mother****er with great movement, superb skills and one of the deadliest punches in history of boxing. Bad day in the ring for tito.
This is my opinion based though.

Hearns aint no god, because there is only one god and it is Walker Smith, you f....g pagan :D But Thomas is sure as hell one of the best fighters to get into the ring. And with hearns's style it is a total mismatch for Tito. Felix likes when his opponents stand infront of him and dont hit vey hard. Tommy on the other hand is the mean mother****er with great movement, superb skills and one of the deadliest punches in history of boxing. Bad day in the ring for tito.
This is my opinion based though.
Hearns has the abilitgy in his prime to outbox Tito and stop him late but Hearns was very straight up and open to the counter left ( see leonard 1 rd 13, leonard 2 rd 12 ).
Tito was open to the right hand but it never KO`ed him!
I`d call this a toss up only because Hearn`s open to the left hook that Tito specials in. If Hearns guarding against the hook....well, i`d favor Hearns!

Yep, a horrible thing that was. Delusional pride. Lampley points out that Tito's dad is telling him he's winning around the 10th or 11th i think.

Really? I'll post what I think after I've watched it. Trinidad retired right when I got into boxing, so the only fight I've seen of his so far was against Mayorga. I was impressed with his performance after not fighting for so long..even though Mayorga isnt all that talented he does pack a good punch and can be a thug. Anyway...I'm still trying to form an opinion of Trinidad :confused: ..as of yet I really dont have a solid one!

All I know is that BHop knows more about boxing than anyone in this forum and after fighting Tito he said," Honestly Tito is one of the dumbest fighters that I have ever fought. Too one-dimensional"

I'm adressing anyone that would call another person a cunt for disagreeing. Apologize to you?? I didnt try to provoke or offend you see cause I dont give a rats ass what you think...clear?
I was talking to Borikua, you dont have to like it. It's called a difference of opinion. Any kind of woman? I'm woman enough to not partake in the stupid kiddie name calling...sorry to disappoint you.
Hahahahaha, you're alright TraceyLee. A mite sensitive and judgemental ... but you can only get better in time.

At least you admitted that you used to do the **** these guys are accusing me of doing unlike all the internet tough guys blindly asserting that Trinidad somehow instilled fear in Bernard, when Bernard beat him as soundly as a fighter can be beat. If I'm right or feel someone's trying to strongarm me; in this case with numbers, I ain't gonna submit. You said you haven't seen the fight; check it out. At the risk of setting some of these dudes off, the only fear you could even hint at coming from Bernard was the fear that he might kill Tito if it wasn't stopped.(just kiddin, settle down)

I joke around and basically rattled these guys cages and got entertained but they were as much responsible for that as I. Some of these guys made good points and I did too before several of em started saying I was nuthugging Bernard and DLH too! I gotta give it to the second guy, that WAS funny!

For the record, I'm not mad at any of ya; that would be the height of stupidity, allowing an anonymous poster on an internet forum raise my blood pressure.

I like boxing and I'm looking forward to learning more about it from those of you who actually know what you're talking about.

Oh, and thanks for the guys who presented facts and circumstances that otherwise wasn't getting told by Tito's fans. Tito is a warrior; I just don't mistake that for the invincible juggernaut that some of you consider him to be. He has flaws like all fighters.

Shaolin Bushido, calm down, and stop getting pyshco in here, writing like a crazy guy who doesnt get laid isnt kool, half your posts dont even make sense.

Trinidad KO 4 Hearns.

Hahahahaha, you're alright TraceyLee. A mite sensitive and judgemental ... but you can only get better in time.

At least you admitted that you used to do the **** these guys are accusing me of doing unlike all the internet tough guys blindly asserting that Trinidad somehow instilled fear in Bernard, when Bernard beat him as soundly as a fighter can be beat. If I'm right or feel someone's trying to strongarm me; in this case with numbers, I ain't gonna submit. You said you haven't seen the fight; check it out. At the risk of setting some of these dudes off, the only fear you could even hint at coming from Bernard was the fear that he might kill Tito if it wasn't stopped.(just kiddin, settle down)

I joke around and basically rattled these guys cages and got entertained but they were as much responsible for that as I. Some of these guys made good points and I did too before several of em started saying I was nuthugging Bernard and DLH too! I gotta give it to the second guy, that WAS funny!

For the record, I'm not mad at any of ya; that would be the height of stupidity, allowing an anonymous poster on an internet forum raise my blood pressure.

I like boxing and I'm looking forward to learning more about it from those of you who actually know what you're talking about.

Oh, and thanks for the guys who presented facts and circumstances that otherwise wasn't getting told by Tito's fans. Tito is a warrior; I just don't mistake that for the invincible juggernaut that some of you consider him to be. He has flaws like all fighters.

Man I never meant to come across as judgemental...I'm no better than any single person here..I just know that debating can be hindered greatly with the insults. I love to debate..get quite a kick out of it really, just too damn old for the other crap.
If I were truly sensitive, I'd have left this site mo's agoo.. you have no idea. That's when I learned to either ignore the ****, or leave. Otherwise it was a constant battle, which left little time for debating the sport.
Didnt mean to seem like I was judging you so dont take it that way. I'm really a pretty laid back chick that doesnt mind a good argument, just have heard all the insults (and then some) so many times before..theyre kinda stale now!

Why does Trinidad thinks he is too good to climb up the ranks the hard way in order to become a mandatory to get another shot at the guy who already beat him?

Why does Trinidad thinks he is too good to climb up the ranks the hard way in order to become a mandatory to get another shot at the guy who already beat him?


Good question, but look at all these heavies coming out of retirement now that Lennox is gone...some of them are fighting for bs belts too, and I asked myself that very same question
Btw..how the muscle Jack?

Why does Trinidad thinks he is too good to climb up the ranks the hard way in order to become a mandatory to get another shot at the guy who already beat him?

Maybe cuz there was a rematch clause...He fought the best from 147 to 160 and lost to the best..Doesn't he deserves at least that?

Let me say it like this, If Floyd lost to Gatti, Does he deserves an inmediate rematch with Gatti or fight till he becomes mandatory?

Good question, but look at all these heavies coming out of retirement now that Lennox is gone...some of them are fighting for bs belts too, and I asked myself that very same question
Btw..how the muscle Jack?

It stopped...thank god :)

Maybe cuz there was a rematch clause...He fought the best from 147 to 160 and lost to the best..Doesn't he deserves at least that?

Let me say it like this, If Floyd lost to Gatti, Does he deserves an inmediate rematch with Gatti or fight till he becomes mandatory?

It depends how the fight plays out. But if Floyd loss to Gatti the same way Trinidad loss to Hopkins (Total domination from bell to bell, topped off with a KO), Mayweather should have to become a mandatory to get a rematch (I really don't see the connection, because Mayweather had to become a mandatory for Gatti in the first place.) Trinidad didn't have to become a mandatory to get his first shot at Hopkins.

Oh good..glad to hear it Jack ;)

Well they had a middleweight tournament...And don't give me that TOTAL DOMINATION BS, yes he lost most of the rounds, but he wasn't getting beat the hell out in every round, He got hurt once I think in the 6 or 7 rnd and when he got KD in the 12 (btw he got up right away but his father stopped the fight)...

So he fought Allen three times cause hes five-dimensional?
The way you guys make excuses for Hopkins is sad. :(

the way some of you cannot accept Tito being schooled is sad...you act like Hopkins has only fought Allen his entire career...you might as well get on fighters of the past fighting each other 3-7 times

Tito was totally dominated by Hopkins. It doesn't have to be a severe beatdown to be domination. Tito was outfought on the inside and outboxed on the outside repeatedly. Hopkins completely schooled Tito for the entire fight with Tito having a short-lived bright spot now and then.

Well they had a middleweight tournament...And don't give me that TOTAL DOMINATION BS, yes he lost most of the rounds, but he wasn't getting beat the hell out in every round, He got hurt once I think in the 6 or 7 rnd and when he got KD in the 12 (btw he got up right away but his father stopped the fight)...


I dont know about Tito fans, but if a boxer gets outlanded by double his punches landed, I would call that TOTAL DOMINATION.........


Trinidad Punches Landed-129
Hopkins Punches Landed-260 (Hopkins also landed the hardest,most telling punches of the fight as well.)

I dont know about Tito fans, but if a boxer gets outlanded by double his punches landed, I would call that TOTAL DOMINATION.........


Trinidad Punches Landed-129
Hopkins Punches Landed-260

you right,

come on Trinidads first fight wasnt even close
he didn't even win 1 round....
how is that exactly gonna change
Hopkins was toyin with him

Tito got owned......

you right,

come on Trinidads first fight wasnt even close
he didn't even win 1 round....
how is that exactly gonna change
Hopkins was toyin with him

Tito got owned......

Wow, I already wanted to watch that fight..but after reading all the input from everyone (from both sides) I wont rest til I see it..hmmm, I do believe I have it downloaded! :confused:
I'll have to post an opinion once I've watched it of course! :D

Wow, I already wanted to watch that fight..but after reading all the input from everyone (from both sides) I wont rest til I see it..hmmm, I do believe I have it downloaded! :confused:
I'll have to post an opinion once I've watched it of course! :D
First round----Both fighters starting slow
2nd-11 hopkins easily outboxes him and ****s trinidad up
12th round- Hopkins hits Trinidad with a looping right hand that sents trinidad to the canvas (without lettin anyone see tito says "no mas" lol jk)

I mean if Tito can beat Winky who is definately a good boxer, then he will have a chance at B-HOP maybe

First round----Both fighters starting slow
2nd-11 hopkins easily outboxes him and ****s trinidad up
12th round- Hopkins hits Trinidad with a looping right hand that sents trinidad to the canvas (without lettin anyone see tito says "no mas" lol jk)

I mean if Tito can beat Winky who is definately a good boxer, then he will have a chance at B-HOP maybe

Geeee, sounds so exciting :confused: thats okay..I will watch it anyway ;)
Actually, I'm leaning toward Tito in the match with Winky

I dont know about Tito fans, but if a boxer gets outlanded by double his punches landed, I would call that TOTAL DOMINATION.........


Trinidad Punches Landed-129
Hopkins Punches Landed-260 (Hopkins also landed the hardest,most telling punches of the fight as well.)

total domination...ok, but a beating? C'mon...

That fight most have been Tito's worst performance (20 something punches by rnd) and Bernard's best..

total domination...ok, but a beating? C'mon...

That fight most have been Tito's worst performance (20 something punches by rnd) and Bernard's best..




indeed it was a beating. he got outlanded by 131 punches, and was KO'd, the round before he was KO'd, he was getting a serious assbeating.

indeed it was a beating. he got outlanded by 131 punches, and was KO'd, the round before he was KO'd, he was getting a serious assbeating.

In my opinion, Hopkins destroys Tito any night...

Hopkins is a ring tactitian

In my opinion, Hopkins destroys Tito any night...

Hopkins is a ring tactitian


In my opinion, It was Hopkins best performance against Trinidad's worst...

In my opinion, It was Hopkins best performance against Trinidad's worst...

Maybe, Trinidad didn't seemed to be focused, he thought he was gonna have a easy night, it was a sign when he was dancing for 10 minutes by the ring...

A rematch would be closer I believe, but Hopkins still wins a decision, Hopkins will not knock out Trinidad for sure though, Mayorga was a good test but not the best test, he showed how he changed his style a bit n stronger than b4...If he can outbox Wright, then he can beat Hopkins...

but I think the Hopkins fight will be 8-4 Hopkins

i dont know about that stuff. since when do they make court docs about it?

in my eyes bhop is the man. hte best p4p

hes also on the cover of fight night 05 which is pretty sweet.

hahahaah yeah
hop was ducking Tito
that fight was soo close wasnt iy :confused: .
it gave hop a lot of fear of tito

Hopkins just beat up Tito so bad

He doesnt wannt to do it again.....scared of beatin up tito again

LoL

Shaolin Bushido, calm down, and stop getting pyshco in here, writing like a crazy guy who doesnt get laid isnt kool, half your posts dont even make sense.
To you, maybe. Communication requires both a clear message sent AND a receiver who can UNDERSTAND what he's reading.

Now, I know that I write both clearly and logically but it doesn't surprise me in the least to hear you don't comprehend what you read.

Anyway speak for yourself as you don't know if anyone else is as ignorant as you and can't understand what they read.

Your posts are more telling than you intended, however and they are causing my eyes to bleed.

I have just the thing for that, though.

B Hop said he didn't want the fight - I don't know why but B-Hop did the same thing when RJJ wanted to do it again - Nard actually wanted to get more money than Jones in a remach for a fight he lost! I would say he didn't want to step in the ring with Jones again, but with Tito who knows why.