who do you think would win i think muhammad ali would win on points

Ali by late stoppage. Vitali's face would look like hamburger meat.

Ali by KO within the first 6 rounds. Ali would be too fast for klitchsko, and with klitchskos defensive strategy, it would drive Ali to give him an early beating to break the guys defense

Ali by late stoppage. Vitali's face would look like hamburger meat.


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who do you think would win i think muhammad ali would win on points

What kind of question is this ? Do I even need to answer who would win and how? Who in their right mind on this board would pick Klitscho to win, and if they did what argument could they possibly make for his(vitali) case? :mad:

Forget Ali, Prime Shavers would kill Prime Vitalli.

Klitschko via SD in Germany against the Ali that fought Holmes. That is the only way I see Vitali winning any fight with Ali.

Klitschko via SD in Germany against the Ali that fought Holmes. That is the only way I see Vitali winning any fight with Ali.
good answer rich man. :)

Pre 1978 Ali wins this fight. 1980 Ali loses to Vitali by dec. or late round ko.

Debates like these will go on and on... a crucial point distinguishing Vitali and ALi, is that fighters decades ago round ALi era, were entertaining to watch and more hype surrounded their fights. Today, the big towering and immobile heavyweights like Klitschko, MCline and Golotaare less exciting to watch. I hear people still talking bout Ali and other greats, about how entertaining tough they were, but hardly of the old timers i talk to have herd of klitscko... Ali win easily and toy with Klit.

Shit Man You Can't Be Serious, Ali Would Walk All Over This Guy Like He's A Piece Of Trash, Ali By Round 3 Stoppage

Klitschko via SD in Germany against the Ali that fought Holmes. That is the only way I see Vitali winning any fight with Ali.
:) Nice comment.

Ali by TKO in 7-10.

Muhammad Ali by UD.

Ali by decision

Ali would dance around and take his time slowly winning the fight, not needing to go for a knock out then near the later rounds start doing more punishment as klitschko gets tired. Ali either by major win on score cards or stoppage in late rounds.

Ali was amazing, who are we kidding, this isn`t even a hard debate

Ali would Ko him easily. Vitali is to slow and his defence ain't good enough.

vitali had fits with corrie sanders hand speed, what the hell do you think he would have been able to do with the fastest heavyweight ever? if ali wanted to carry him for a while it might go 5 or 6

ali couldnt knock vitali out.until you see the man go down you cant say anybody would just knock him out.and if guys like doug jones gave ali problems with their jabs and ken norton then why would a biggers stronger man like vitali couldnt?ali could win on cuts and i dont see vitali knocking ali out maybe down but not out.the best thing about vitali is he doesnt load up on every punch..so ali couldnt get him tired like he did foreman..the fight could go either way.damn why do you people like to bash vitali..you cat like the man is some kind of a bum.

hmmm ali before 67, ali between 71 and 75, who knows later.
but the people tht gave problem to ali were not big guys who did not move. swarmers and boxer were the people who gave him fits.

so probably ali until 78. winning on cuts, no way he KOs klitshko who has a chin and is too smart to tire himself out...

but no way in hell vitali wins before 75, you can't KO ali, you can't outbox him, and vitali could not outswarm him, just not hs style.

you cant out box ali?hmm tell that to doug jones.ali could be out boxed because ali wasnt really a good boxer to began with.he pulled away from punches he never really worked the body and so many other things he did wrong..and ali was almost ko's by cooper and he would of been if the knock down wasnt at the end of the round.ali isnt god.every boxer can be knocked out if he is knocked down.from foreman to whoever.and like i said vitali doesnt load up on every punch so he wouldnt tire himself out..ali is rarely agressive..he would try to box and move but vitali has a long reach and isnt as slow as you try to make him.norton fought ali when ali was 30 or 31 so he wasnt old and he had a hell of a time beating norton.he could never hurt norton so i doubt he could hurt vitali..i could see him cutting vitali but he would never run over him and ko him..maybe if ali had foremans power then yeah but he didnt

You have to be crazy to actually think Vitali would stand a chance against Ali. Ali would not only outbox the slower Vitali but he would knock him out.

right instead of jerking off to boxing pics you should learn your boxing moron.vitali has never been knocked down but ali can do it?right and gary coleman can post up shaq and dunk on him..if doug jones could rock and out box a prime ali then so could vitali...so could alot of boxers holmes could out box him because he doesnt try to knock his opponents out.no boxer is god they call can lose and will lose if they fight good opponents and styles wise ali doesnt match up with big guys who box..if he cant knock out norton then he couldnt do it to vitali period

You have to be crazy to actually think Vitali would stand a chance against Ali. Ali would not only outbox the slower Vitali but he would knock him out.
not only will ali knock vitali out, ali will kill him

Ali by KO as soon as vitali tires out. maybe 4-5 rds

Ali by KO as soon as vitali tires out. maybe 4-5 rds
he woulid not last that long

this question does not even need to be asked. How could you even think vitali could hold his own against a great like muhammed ali, That is rediculous ali possess more talent in his left foot than vitali has in his whole body. But just to answer the question, muhammed ali would win EASILY by early KO

you cant out box ali?hmm tell that to doug jones.ali could be out boxed because ali wasnt really a good boxer to began with.he pulled away from punches he never really worked the body and so many other things he did wrong..and ali was almost ko's by cooper and he would of been if the knock down wasnt at the end of the round.ali isnt god.every boxer can be knocked out if he is knocked down.from foreman to whoever.and like i said vitali doesnt load up on every punch so he wouldnt tire himself out..ali is rarely agressive..he would try to box and move but vitali has a long reach and isnt as slow as you try to make him.norton fought ali when ali was 30 or 31 so he wasnt old and he had a hell of a time beating norton.he could never hurt norton so i doubt he could hurt vitali..i could see him cutting vitali but he would never run over him and ko him..maybe if ali had foremans power then yeah but he didnt

boy are you insane?
ALi would KO Vitali as soon as the bell for the 1st round rings

I am in the minority here as well!!!! I think that Vitali is a bigger, physically stronger fighter that is patient and intelligent in the ring!!! Muhammed Ali or Cassius Clay had amazing athletic ability, had a heart of a lion and using his ring smarts he may have edged a decision over Klitschko, but he would by no stretch of the imagination bust Vitali up in my mind and if Vitali was able to get to Ali it would be a war!

well the problem with fantasy fights. but we can see the physical capabilities of the two and we can judge from there. if the fight wasn't stopped, Lennox would have knocked out a tired Vitali in the remaining rounds. I really think so, no way Vitali could withstand Lennox' unloading those big shots at him. And Ali is a far better boxer than Lennox, and he can take whatever Vitali throws at him. Gameplan for Ali, body first and the head will fall.

well the problem with fantasy fights. but we can see the physical capabilities of the two and we can judge from there. if the fight wasn't stopped, Lennox would have knocked out a tired Vitali in the remaining rounds. I really think so, no way Vitali could withstand Lennox' unloading those big shots at him. And Ali is a far better boxer than Lennox, and he can take whatever Vitali throws at him. Gameplan for Ali, body first and the head will fall.

No ****ing way would Lewis have won. Lewis lost every round, and was rocked more than once. He was going to lose the fight, but he kept pushing on that cut, and made it worse with his glove.

Ali wins in a walk-away, though. No way Vitali gives him much of a fight. If Ali could take Foreman's punch, Ali could take Vitali's punch. He'd win by points, or by stoppage.

you cant out box ali?hmm tell that to doug jones.ali could be out boxed because ali wasnt really a good boxer to began with.he pulled away from punches he never really worked the body and so many other things he did wrong..and ali was almost ko's by cooper and he would of been if the knock down wasnt at the end of the round.ali isnt god.every boxer can be knocked out if he is knocked down.from foreman to whoever.and like i said vitali doesnt load up on every punch so he wouldnt tire himself out..ali is rarely agressive..he would try to box and move but vitali has a long reach and isnt as slow as you try to make him.norton fought ali when ali was 30 or 31 so he wasnt old and he had a hell of a time beating norton.he could never hurt norton so i doubt he could hurt vitali..i could see him cutting vitali but he would never run over him and ko him..maybe if ali had foremans power then yeah but he didnt

of course you can outbox him for a few rounds, but that's all and in fact jones lost the fight

also jones and cooper 1 are fights number 18 and 19 in the career of a 21 years old fighter.

and he was not KOed nor outboxed in fact he won both fights

ali at 30 or 31 was past his prime and you should be able to see that, not only because he had a 3 years layoff because he could not dance around the ring for the whole fight and never again he fought like he did. this is a fact. plain and simple.

As far as vitali not being slow, he is slow enough for ali before 67 to run circles around him, just like he did with liston, who was shorter than vitali but definitely faster

holmes could out box him because he doesnt try to knock his opponents out

oops if i had read this before I wouldn't have even bothered answering the other post

No ****ing way would Lewis have won. Lewis lost every round, and was rocked more than once. He was going to lose the fight, but he kept pushing on that cut, and made it worse with his glove.

Ali wins in a walk-away, though. No way Vitali gives him much of a fight. If Ali could take Foreman's punch, Ali could take Vitali's punch. He'd win by points, or by stoppage.
So you saying that Vitali will win without throwing punches? Can't you see he's out of gas when the fight was stopped and Lennox is far from being in trouble and he's hitting vitali with regularity. Lennox got clipped but recovred. Lennox' gonna knock him if not for the cut.

Forget Ali, Prime Shavers would kill Prime Vitalli.

THat was a rediculous statement!!!!

Shavers was one of the biggest hitters in the history of the sport!! But he was not a good boxer he was a slugger, he was easy to hit, a small heavyweight (6'1", 208-212 on average) and he has been KOed by many top fighters! I think that the fight would most likely resemble the Williams fight!!! Of course Earnie could land a lucky one and end it on anyone, but that is his only chance!!!!

these two shouldn't be mentioned in the same forum. Ali but late KO for a 15 rounder...and for a 12 rounder a very lob-sided decision (all 12 rounds :D ). I can even see a stoppage via cuts.

Ali KO3. Klity has no chance.

Ali isn't a williams or sanders.

Àli by points

There are a few basic delusions in the boxing world.

One of the delusions is that Rocky Marciano has anything to do with heavyweight as we know it today. Another one is "Ali would beat any modern heavyweight".

From time to time fans who suffer from "Nostalgia Delusion" or "Good-old-times syndrome" gather together in a thread like this and pat each other on the back while repeating the mantra "Current heavies suck, Ali would go through them".

These fans are so pat-happy that they will never do 1 thing: Check the actual performance and the actual opponents of Ali.

Whenever I come to thread like this one here, someone HAD TO WRITE nonsense like "Ali would KO Vitali in 3 rounds". DID YOU ACTUALLY CHECK WHOM ALI KOed within 3 rounds?


Ali KOed only 4 heavyweights (200+ lbs) within 3 rounds
2 of them 6'0''
1 of them Cleveland Williams (who lost more than 10 feet of intestines due to a gun shot prior to the bout and couldn't train the whole year)
and Charley Powell, a 25-11 bum.

THAT IS THE PERFORMANCE YOU BASE YOUR OPINION ON?

Tell me 1 win of Ali (that impressed you the most) that points to a KOwin against Klitschko. Come on, make us laugh.


Is it against 6'0'' Liston or against 6'0'' Chuvalo?
Or is it against drugged Foreman?
Oh, wait, it must be the fight against Frazier (205+ lbs, 5'11'', 73'' reach), when Frazier was blind on one eye and had a swelling on the other.
Or was it the gift decision against the featherfisty bum Jimmy Young (34-19)?

In Ali's ENTIRE CAREER he KOed only 6 better natural heavies within 12 rounds (that's already including the aforementioned Cleveland Williams and the drugged Foreman). That's a freaking 30% KOratio.

Ali's heaviest opponent he ever KOed within 12 was featherfisty Alvin Lewis: 223lbs (Ali needed 11! rounds).

How in the world could someone like Ali (with one the lowest KOratios in the history of heavyweight titlists) KO someone with one of the hardest chins and one of the highest KOratios ever recorded?

Oh, let me guess: Fly to the jungle to rope-a-dope him?

That Ali has such a low KOratio is based on him being basically a (sub-)cruiser: Remember the Olympics 1960 (when Ali won the gold medal)? He was competing in the sub-cruiser division (division < 178 pounds)!



Ali's average fighting weight was 217lbs. Vitali Klitschko's is 240.
Ali would be one of Klitschko's bottom 4 LIGHTEST opponents (Klitschko's average opponent weight is 244lbs!).
On the other hand Ali in his entire career has not seen anyone as tall as Vitali Klitschko.
I recently checked several tenthousand fights: Just the bigger weight and height gives Klitschko already a 3:1 advantage
Big George Foreman was 6'3.5'' and 218 (on the average). Foreman's KO-victims were 205lbs (on the average). A heavyweight division like that (which was basically a cruiser division) doesn't exist anymore. Noone is interested in cruisers anymore.


First 3 rounds: Ali tries to run away ("floating") and the audience starts to boo. In round 6 the referee disqualifies Ali for excessive clinching and abusive language in the ring.

I already know all of your responses: "Worst post I read in this forum", "Ban him already", "You obviously never watched boxing", "Ridiculous nuthugger", "Stats don't tell the whole story", "Chris Byrd anybody?" etc etc... I heard it all before. Ali fans are sooo predictable.
Don't bore anyone with your favorite smilies or your favorite justifications why "Ali is the greatest despite all counter-evidence". Instead you should concentrate on arguments BASED ON PERFORMANCE OR RECORD.

(( By the way, before someone shouts "Racist": Rocky Marciano is even more overrated. I remain open for counter-arguments, however ))

And a last word from Ali:"I figured that if I said it enough, I would convince the world that I really was the greatest."
Muhammad Ali