Who do u think is the better trainer?

I don't think much of either, really, so I won't say which I think is better....but I'll say which i think is worse:

Roach. He's punch drunk, and was never a great thinker anyway....why would anyone take his advice as a trainer? He's probably a nice guy, and no doubt can use the money he makes "training", but geez....

I think Buddy, he took an average but yet skilled fighter like Tarver to beat Roy Jones Jr. That tells you something.

I think Buddy, he took an average but yet skilled fighter like Tarver to beat Roy Jones Jr. That tells you something.
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Buddy Mcgirt all the way

U see what he did with Gatti, just amazing

Roach is overrated in my opinion, he led pacquiao to a win over barrera

then a draw to Marquez, then they did the same thing against, Morales except lost

Buddy, i havent seen anything Impressive from roach, Roach's best fighter was already being succesful before him.

Mayweather Sr. is better than both of 'em.

buddy,roach sucks

I don't think much of either, really, so I won't say which I think is better....but I'll say which i think is worse:

Roach. He's punch drunk, and was never a great thinker anyway....why would anyone take his advice as a trainer? He's probably a nice guy, and no doubt can use the money he makes "training", but geez....Evidently you're wrong. No one would pay him if he's as sorry as you describe. Why, in your estimation would they pay him to train boxing's elite, then?

There must be some reason; it's sure as hell not his good looks!

Trainers can be judged at least two ways. By what they accomplish during actual training and then what they do at fight time. Roach was in a trainer's dreamland with Pacman, simply because Pac is very committed to the game and seemed very ready to at least try everything that Roach wanted. On that basis, Roach looks like a great trainer.

But, on the Morales fight night, he showed he doesn't handle adversity very well. He's supposed to control everybody in his corner and wasn't able to. Even with Pac stting there thinking "Roach, tell me what you want to do", he was not able to keep it together. Despite having a cutman who is arguably the best in the business, and one of the most traianble fighters in the sport, Roach ****ing blew it. That alone makes him less of a trainer than McGirt.

buddy is far better than roach, his fighters have looked good recently

McGirt's stock will go down if Taver loses to Glen again. Though at least during the first fight he knew that his man was in trouble. He kept telling Tarver that he needed a knockdown, which might not have necessarily been true if he had just worked a little harder in the later rounds. The thing is, why didn't Tarver listen?

I've actually heard that Roy Jones SR. is the greatest trainer there is. It's just that he doesn't like the limelight and is very content staying in Pensacola living a simple life training up and coming boxers.

Personally I think they're both competent but not necessarily head and shoulders above their peers.

For example, I don't think either have "won" a fight for any guy they've trained due to their manipulation.

Well, I do think McGirt worked a little psychobabble on Tarver to change him from the crackhead headed nowhere to the conqueror of RJJ.

I've actually heard that Roy Jones SR. is the greatest trainer there is. It's just that he doesn't like the limelight and is very content staying in Pensacola living a simple life training up and coming boxers.You kiddin? I have never heard anything remotely resembling that.

Nacho Beristain gets my vote.

Mayweather SR...has just 1 style that works with Jr. but not with anybody else.(f@cked up DLH's style!!)

Buddy easily, looking at recent fight history, Buddy has had the better resume while Roach's trainees have been lacking and not winning as of late. As far as keeping it together in the corner, Nacho Beristain all the way. Roach handled that cut from Manny as about the worst possible way you could. McGirt actually keeps his cool also in the corner when his fighters are cut, he more or less is more worried about their safety if they can continue or not rather than freak out and think that the fight is lost.

What about Emmanuael Steward? He's been in the game longer than both but I'd give the nod to McGirt just because I think he gives better advice between rounds than Roach. Also McGirt seems more likely to change his fighters for the better. I can't really say what Roach even does with his fighters.

Eddie Futch is the greatest IMO.. In the first fight when Montel fought RJ he had Eddie Futch in his corner and flustered RJ.. Futch wasnt in his corner the next fight when Montell got KTFO in Round 1..

Nacho is the best trainer.

It's just that he doesn't like the limelight and is very content staying in Pensacola living a simple life training up and coming boxers.

1) Yes, he is a very good trainer. I live and box from P'cola and Roy Sr. seems like a genius in boxing. His fighters win a lot. However, he seems like kind of a slob to me.

2) Roy Jr. was older, slower, and sustained a significant loss of muscle mass. McGirt is no genius when it comes to beating Roy. Roy in his prime beats Tarver every time, and even a weight-drained Roy holds a W over Tarver (and yes it was a legit win, close, but legit).

3) Montell was getting KO'd by Jones in the remacth regardless of who was in his corner.

Some of you are giving too much credit to the trainer and not enough to the fighter and the circumstances. Roach and McGirt are good trainers, but all trainers are limited to some degree by their fighters and who their fighters are facing. If Gatti beats Mayweather then we can call McGirt a genius for real.

They both suck, I don't see any significant change for the better any fighters they train. I have seen both of their fighters get out boxed on more than one occassion. They know the sport, but I don't think they are too good at teaching it...

What about Emmanuael Steward? He's been in the game longer than both but I'd give the nod to McGirt just because I think he gives better advice between rounds than Roach. Also McGirt seems more likely to change his fighters for the better. I can't really say what Roach even does with his fighters.

Yes, In my opinion, Emanuel Steward is the best trainer ever..IMO!!! Look what he did to Thomas Hearns, Gerald McLellan, Michael Moorer,Lennox Lewis, etc. It's like he teaches u power, and doesnt make u do all them stupid weights but teaches power and his like a ****in wizard...He led many fighters to great victories...Holyfield over Bowe, Pryor over Arguello in the rematch, DeLaHoya over camacho and 2nd round knockout over david kamau, he led hamed to some victories but Hamed just ****ed around to much, etc...

Emanuel Steward is a wizard...

I'm going to have to say that the two top trainers out there in terms of between round instruction goes to....

1. Dan Goosen, Hands down. That guy is a genius. He points out strengths first and what was done right than goes into little details that fighters can incorporate into the fight. His instruction is top-notch.

2. Orlando Cuellar, another positive guy who draws the most out of his fighter. When he told Glen in the 11th round, "go out and give it your all. Then after the round is over, I'm going to bring you back and you can do it again." He even had me believing that Glen was going to will his way into another upset. And he did too.

I'm going to have to say that the two top trainers out there in terms of between round instruction goes to....

1. Dan Goosen, Hands down. That guy is a genius. He points out strengths first and what was done right than goes into little details that fighters can incorporate into the fight. His instruction is top-notch.

2. Orlando Cuellar, another positive guy who draws the most out of his fighter. When he told Glen in the 11th round, "go out and give it your all. Then after the round is over, I'm going to bring you back and you can do it again." He even had me believing that Glen was going to will his way into another upset. And he did too.

I guess the judges heard him also. j/k :D

definitly Mcgirt, Roach is so overrated, as pac was getting schooled he kept telling pac the same thing over and over again about morales tiring and saying manny has too much power. he should have told him to try and win some rounds instead of constantly telling him to go for the kayo

Roach. He's punch drunk, and was never a great thinker anyway....why would anyone take his advice as a trainer? He's probably a nice guy, and no doubt can use the money he makes "training", but geez....


I agree, Roach is one punchy bastard.

I remember when Morales was handing Pac his ass, Pac goes to his corner with a hopeless look on his face. Roach goes "YOU GOTTA USE YOUR SPEED" ..lol

as for best trainer, it'd be between Eddie Futch, Emmanuel Steward, or Angelo Dundee. Realistically the best trainer out of these three though, is Futch. Joe Frazier, Ali, Holmes, Bowe.......he's had some great ones.

De La Hoya ****ed himself up. He lost his hunger.

Nah, he's very, very hungry. I think that's the problem actually.