God Help Trinidad If He Calls Winky Wright "Ronald"
By Michael J. Woods (April 13, 2005)


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Winky Wright is one of the three best technical fighters in the sport today, and beyond that, he has the estimable Dan Birmingham working his corner to fill in whatever minute gaps exist in his game.


Wright and his team know damn well that his technically precise style, his tight guard and his impeccable footwork are beyond exemplary. They know this with such certainty that they have to believe that any oddsmakers who see Tito Trinidad as a 4-to-1 favorite for the May 14 Trinidad/Wright showdown are in dire need of an educational seminar on the finer points of the brutal science that is boxing. Or glasses. Or both.

But just in case Wright needs a wild card infusion of motivation when he steps in with Trinidad for a WBC title eliminator, Birmingham or promoter Gary Shaw could whisper in their man's ear prefight. "Pssst, Winky. Listen up," team Wright could say, in a conspiratorial tone. "I didn't want to tell you this, because I know how you feel about it, but I have it on good authority that Tito went over the line, trash talking you behind your back. He called you...now steady yourself, you're not going to like this...Tito called you Ronald."

As of today, I like Wright, comparatively rust-free, having taken far less punishment compared to others who have fought at his level at age 33, in this matchup. I give Wright a 60-40% shot at confounding Trinidad, using the Bernard Hopkins blueprint to steer himself to victory. But if someone whispers in Winky's ear that Tito called him "Ronald," then I can see Wright unleashing a version of himself that he rarely lets out of the cage, and inflicting an Ali-on-Ernie Terrell type walloping on the iconic Puerto Rican, Trinidad.

"Don't call me Ronald," Winky, I repeat, Winky Wright corrected a writer on a Tuesday afternoon conference call to begin the hype process for Trinidad/Wright, which will unfurl at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. That writer, hearing the tonal difference in Wright's voice, backed down immediately, and addressed the fighter as "Winky." It goes without saying that Trinidad will do no such backpedaling when he meets the 48-3 (25 KOs) southpaw, perhaps the most avoided fighter in the last 10 years, a man who hasn't lost in five years.

So why is Wright now fighting his third-straight ultra high profile prizefight after campaigning for much of the 90s in France, which is fine for an aspiring novelist or walking mannequin, but not ideal for a boxer looking to make maximum splash and cash?

Wright explained that his recent rise in visibility and prior anonymity isn't due to a recent ****e in his skills, or a funny first name, but rather by the choice of TV networks to finally embrace him as a player in the middleweight/junior middleweight classes.

"The problem was if the networks market you, you become big, if the networks don't then you're not going to become big," he said. "The networks choose who to promote."

The name "Winky," he said, hasn't hampered his rise in the fight racket. "My grandmother gave me the name, I love the name," he said. "Once people hear it they never forget it."

The "lack of fame because of a name" theory discounted, Wright addressed the extra six or so pounds he will be carrying when he meets Trinidad, 42-1 (35 KOs), who began his pro career 15 years ago as a 140-pounder. "At 160 pounds, I feel great," Wright said. "I
don't have to lose that extra six pounds."

Taste-testing Trinidad's power to prove a point, as Ricardo Mayorga did disastrously on Oct. 2, 2004, won't happen, Wright promised. "I'm not trying to test his power, how hard he hits," he said. "I'll just beat him round by round and if I get inside, I'll hurt him." Wright also derided Mayorga as a blown up welterweight without the muscle mass to test Trinidad's chin. "Mayorga was too small at middleweight," he said. "But Tito looked great. He did get hit more (than he typically does) because he was more offensive."

Wright admitted that there have been times when he has operated almost on autopilot, that his superiority in skill level caused him to coast. "To win I knew I could beat you with a jab and movement," he said. "I didn't feel I had to pull out all the tricks in my bag." Wright seemed to indicate that he'll need all the tricks in his arsenal to down Trinidad, 32, who he says is of such caliber that he's immune to rust. "People should stop criticizing him and give him credit for his heart," he said. "He can fight anybody he wants to, he wants to fight the best and I take my hat off to him. We should've fought a while back, he moved to middleweight and the time is here."

With the surety that comes from being on a five-year winning streak, Wright predicted that he'd best Trinidad and immediately offer Tito a rematch. "If I lose he ain't gonna give me no rematch," he said. "I'm happy to give Tito a rematch. After that, we'll see. Bernard, De La Hoya, it'll be who the fans want to see, not who the promoters want. I've fought all the rest, now it's time to fight the best."


I like his attitude. Borikua will be owing me and Jack some points. Excellent arcticle, and well said by Winky. Tito is going to get outclassed, clowned, and made silly by the crafty southpaw. I would like to see him pull out some stops, and maybe knock Tito out. Unlikely though.

God Help Trinidad If He Calls Winky Wright "Ronald"
By Michael J. Woods (April 13, 2005)


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Winky Wright is one of the three best technical fighters in the sport today, and beyond that, he has the estimable Dan Birmingham working his corner to fill in whatever minute gaps exist in his game.


Wright and his team know damn well that his technically precise style, his tight guard and his impeccable footwork are beyond exemplary. They know this with such certainty that they have to believe that any oddsmakers who see Tito Trinidad as a 4-to-1 favorite for the May 14 Trinidad/Wright showdown are in dire need of an educational seminar on the finer points of the brutal science that is boxing. Or glasses. Or both.

But just in case Wright needs a wild card infusion of motivation when he steps in with Trinidad for a WBC title eliminator, Birmingham or promoter Gary Shaw could whisper in their man's ear prefight. "Pssst, Winky. Listen up," team Wright could say, in a conspiratorial tone. "I didn't want to tell you this, because I know how you feel about it, but I have it on good authority that Tito went over the line, trash talking you behind your back. He called you...now steady yourself, you're not going to like this...Tito called you Ronald."

As of today, I like Wright, comparatively rust-free, having taken far less punishment compared to others who have fought at his level at age 33, in this matchup. I give Wright a 60-40% shot at confounding Trinidad, using the Bernard Hopkins blueprint to steer himself to victory. But if someone whispers in Winky's ear that Tito called him "Ronald," then I can see Wright unleashing a version of himself that he rarely lets out of the cage, and inflicting an Ali-on-Ernie Terrell type walloping on the iconic Puerto Rican, Trinidad.

"Don't call me Ronald," Winky, I repeat, Winky Wright corrected a writer on a Tuesday afternoon conference call to begin the hype process for Trinidad/Wright, which will unfurl at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. That writer, hearing the tonal difference in Wright's voice, backed down immediately, and addressed the fighter as "Winky." It goes without saying that Trinidad will do no such backpedaling when he meets the 48-3 (25 KOs) southpaw, perhaps the most avoided fighter in the last 10 years, a man who hasn't lost in five years.

So why is Wright now fighting his third-straight ultra high profile prizefight after campaigning for much of the 90s in France, which is fine for an aspiring novelist or walking mannequin, but not ideal for a boxer looking to make maximum splash and cash?

Wright explained that his recent rise in visibility and prior anonymity isn't due to a recent ****e in his skills, or a funny first name, but rather by the choice of TV networks to finally embrace him as a player in the middleweight/junior middleweight classes.

"The problem was if the networks market you, you become big, if the networks don't then you're not going to become big," he said. "The networks choose who to promote."

The name "Winky," he said, hasn't hampered his rise in the fight racket. "My grandmother gave me the name, I love the name," he said. "Once people hear it they never forget it."

The "lack of fame because of a name" theory discounted, Wright addressed the extra six or so pounds he will be carrying when he meets Trinidad, 42-1 (35 KOs), who began his pro career 15 years ago as a 140-pounder. "At 160 pounds, I feel great," Wright said. "I
don't have to lose that extra six pounds."

Taste-testing Trinidad's power to prove a point, as Ricardo Mayorga did disastrously on Oct. 2, 2004, won't happen, Wright promised. "I'm not trying to test his power, how hard he hits," he said. "I'll just beat him round by round and if I get inside, I'll hurt him." Wright also derided Mayorga as a blown up welterweight without the muscle mass to test Trinidad's chin. "Mayorga was too small at middleweight," he said. "But Tito looked great. He did get hit more (than he typically does) because he was more offensive."

Wright admitted that there have been times when he has operated almost on autopilot, that his superiority in skill level caused him to coast. "To win I knew I could beat you with a jab and movement," he said. "I didn't feel I had to pull out all the tricks in my bag." Wright seemed to indicate that he'll need all the tricks in his arsenal to down Trinidad, 32, who he says is of such caliber that he's immune to rust. "People should stop criticizing him and give him credit for his heart," he said. "He can fight anybody he wants to, he wants to fight the best and I take my hat off to him. We should've fought a while back, he moved to middleweight and the time is here."

With the surety that comes from being on a five-year winning streak, Wright predicted that he'd best Trinidad and immediately offer Tito a rematch. "If I lose he ain't gonna give me no rematch," he said. "I'm happy to give Tito a rematch. After that, we'll see. Bernard, De La Hoya, it'll be who the fans want to see, not who the promoters want. I've fought all the rest, now it's time to fight the best."


I like his attitude. Borikua will be owing me and Jack some points. Excellent arcticle, and well said by Winky. Tito is going to get outclassed, clowned, and made silly by the crafty southpaw. I would like to see him pull out some stops, and maybe knock Tito out. Unlikely though.

There's a possibility of a late round TKO. If Tito gets too frustrated over not being able to put leather on Winky, he could start taking chances late, when he realizes he needs a KO to win and only has a few rounds to get the job done. If it plays out this way, I feel confident that Winky can take advantage of Tito's over-aggressiveness and put together some awesome combinations and stop Trinidad. This is my big-money fight this year. I got my bet in at nearly 3/1 odds on Winky as the underdog, and if things go as planned, I'll clean up big-time. If they don't.....well, I'll still have a few hundred bucks left to start building my betting capital back up with :D

Winky Wright is going to beat Tito Trinidad. Trinidad is too in love with his power...he can't deal with a mediocre jab and he certainly won't be able to deal with Winky Wright's jab. Wright is going to end his career for good. Bernard Hopkins won't have to worry about another match with Tito Trinidad, because Winky Wright will beat Trinidad.....................and then get beaten by Hopkins :)...Borikua, you better have my 10million ready. Rick Reeno, you too..

Taste-testing Trinidad's power to prove a point, as Ricardo Mayorga did disastrously on Oct. 2, 2004, won't happen, Wright promised. "I'm not trying to test his power, how hard he hits," he said. "I'll just beat him round by round and if I get inside, I'll hurt him." Wright also derided Mayorga as a blown up welterweight without the muscle mass to test Trinidad's chin. "Mayorga was too small at middleweight," he said. "But Tito looked great. He did get hit more (than he typically does) because he was more offensive."
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I would like to talk a bit about this paragraph. As we know, many among us believed Mayorga was a super-hero. I was not one of those. I always viewed him as a mediocre at best fighter, who landed lucky punches on Vernon Forrest, and clearly lost the rematch. He has 1 style, which is 1 dimmensional and pressing in form. He was completely outclassed and blown away by Spinks in their fight, and Spinks is not 1/16 the boxer Winky is. The reason I bring this up, is because everyone seems to give Tito more credit for the Mayorga victory than he really deserved. Like Winky says, he was a blown up welterweight who did not carry his muscle mass with him. Winky has grown into his middleweight body, and showed that by stunning Mosley several times in their last fight.

On the issue of Winky's chin...it is granite. He dropped his hands, and let Mosley unload on him. Yes he backed up into the ropes, but that was after sustaining shots that would have knocked trinidad into next friday. Tito's chin is suspect. He has been floored by 8 different fighters, and multiple times in multiple fights. Winky at middleweight, has enough power to hurt Trinidad......and nobody will ever believe this:

because he has been on "auto-pilot" like he said. I would not be suprised if he did knock Trinidad out. I really would not. I also would not be suprised if Trinidad won a decision.

Either way. Trini is not going to knock Winky out. I gauruntee that.

If Winky gets smart, Trinidads going to :nutkick: .

P.S. Mayorga isnt more 1 dimmensional, than Pacman, so save it, atleast he is wild, nothing wrong with being "1 dimmensional" either.

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EVERY TIME I TURN MY X-BOX ON! Damn I'm tired of this song! It even follows me into the boards.

I love Fabolous. That kid is a pimp sandwich. Bar none.

When Winky dropped his guard to let Shane hit him, Shane threw a left hook to the middle of Winky's right rib side. Smart coz it backed Winky up a bit. But in hindsight, if Shane had thrown a slight upper cut below Winky's right rib cage and into his liver, Winky would have gone down. That's how Hopkins dropped ODLH with one punch. Hit him just below the rib cage.

Incidentally, Hopkins was fortunate ODLH didn't have his crotch protector up to his rib cage that night like Oscar did against Vargas.

When Winky dropped his guard to let Shane hit him, Shane threw a left hook to the middle of Winky's right rib side. Smart coz it backed Winky up a bit. But in hindsight, if Shane had thrown a slight upper cut below Winky's right rib cage and into his liver, Winky would have gone down. That's how Hopkins dropped ODLH with one punch. Hit him just below the rib cage.

Incidentally, Hopkins was fortunate ODLH didn't have his crotch protector up to his rib cage that night like Oscar did against Vargas.


Not to completely "White-Wash" Winky.......he was dropped 5 times against JC Vasquez. He was on autopilot in that fight however.

On the issue of Winky's chin...it is granite. He dropped his hands, and let Mosley unload on him. Yes he backed up into the ropes, but that was after sustaining shots that would have knocked trinidad into next friday. Tito's chin is suspect. He has been floored by 8 different fighters, and multiple times in multiple fights. Winky at middleweight, has enough power to hurt Trinidad......and nobody will ever believe this:

Since when is Mosley considered a power puncher???

When Tito knocks Winky out I can't wait to see what the new BS Story is going to be. We'll soon be hearing Winky doesn't have a chin a light weight would knock him into next friday. :rolleyes:

Since when is Mosley considered a power puncher???



I dont think you have ever seen Mosley fight before.

I've seen Mosley fight plenty of times but, he is not known to be a devastasting puncher. The most recognizable name that he's KO'D was Leijas and Antonio Diaz. Fighting known fighters he hasn't KO'D ****!! He's lost

Since when is Mosley considered a power puncher???



When he was at 135, he was a power puncher, although a lot of it was accumulation.

At 147 and 154 he was not a big banger.

Since when is Mosley considered a power puncher???

When Tito knocks Winky out I can't wait to see what the new BS Story is going to be. We'll soon be hearing Winky doesn't have a chin a light weight would knock him into next friday. :rolleyes:
You won't get any BS story from me....you may see me crying about the money I lost, but no BS. I learned long ago never to get too pissed off about a fight that doesn't go the way I called it. If Tito wins, he wins. I don't see a way for him to do it, provided both fighters come in at the top of their game, but that doesn't mean there ain't one, just that I haven't seen it yet. The only thing I'll be doing is crying in my beer about putting my money on the wrong fight.

All in all, though, I feel confident about Winky winning. He's steady, predictable, and I know what he'll do in the ring. Tito is the only wildcard, and even at his best, I don't see him flooring Winky, or winning a decision. At his worst, he'll fight dirty and get DQ'd, or punch himself out late going for a KO after losing 8 of the first 10 rounds, and get TKO'd by Winky in the early to mid part of 12.

Also...I don't consider Winky's chin to be that great...what is great is his defense, and his ability to see a big shot coming and be ready for it. If Tito does land flush a couple of times, I expect Winky to go down, but I think he'll get up and continue if that happens.

When he was at 135, he was a power puncher, although a lot of it was accumulation.

At 147 and 154 he was not a big banger.

Exactly, that I can agree with.

Winky Wright is going to beat Tito Trinidad. Trinidad is too in love with his power...he can't deal with a mediocre jab and he certainly won't be able to deal with Winky Wright's jab. Wright is going to end his career for good. Bernard Hopkins won't have to worry about another match with Tito Trinidad, because Winky Wright will beat Trinidad.....................and then get beaten by Hopkins :)...Borikua, you better have my 10million ready. Rick Reeno, you too..
Winky doesn't have anything but his right jab and he is right handed...Shane is washed up and almost got with him last fight, Trinidad is going to knock winky out...I know you are a florida cat and all, but your homie isn't going to win this one...and if I'm not misktaken, didn't winky wright get whopped by vargas?

didn't winky wright get whopped by vargas?

He was robbed in that fight. And thinking Wright is going to win, is as legitimate as thinking Tito was going to beat Hopkins.

Winky doesn't have anything but his right jab and he is right handed...Shane is washed up and almost got with him last fight, Trinidad is going to knock winky out...I know you are a florida cat and all, but your homie isn't going to win this one...and if I'm not misktaken, didn't winky wright get whopped by vargas?

To be honest with you, Winky winning isn't as important to me as Trinidad losing. :eek:

To be honest with you, Winky winning isn't as important to me as Trinidad losing. :eek: I would love to see trinidad lose, but I don't think it will happen this fight

I would love to see trinidad lose, but I don't think it will happen this fight

I disagree.

It doesn't matter that Winky was robbed of that fight. Why was the fight so close to begin with?? Especially with Wrights inpenetrable force field defense?? :rolleyes: If his defense has always been the reason that he has fought all over the world and fighters have not wanted to fight him and have so called avoided him like Oscar so called did, Then why was the fight with Vargas so close? He must have gotten hit a couple of times don't you think.

Oh, Don't forget his super human chin. :rolleyes:

I dont know but i got this little gut feeling that underdog will win. I had the same feeling before Johnson/Tarver and Morales/Pacman fights so I am sticking with Winky.
Even gonna bet a little.

Oh, Don't forget his super human chin. :rolleyes:

LMAO. almost every one of Winky's fights have been controversial. I have the feeling that regardless; if he wins, we will never hear the end of this from Tito fans. "There is no way Tito can lose" etc. This has the makings of a situation where someone needs to safeguard their pockets.

Trinidad had better wrap a rubber band around his wallet, just like Eastman should have against my boy Joppy. Slick fighters clown their opponents into being broke morally and socioculturally. I see this as being no different: Only on a higher scale between two better fighters in Wright and Trinidad.

Never underestimate a thief in the ring. They are the pimps that make boxing what it is. A "Water-cooler" sport that people like to talk about untill blue in the face.

Winky will beat Trinidad just as bad as Hopkins beat him, but I doubt there will be a stoppage or even close to a knockdown

but if there is then good

As Jack said, Hopkins said to Tito, "I exposed you, you one dimensional Borikua, now it's time to put u to sleep!"

LMAO. almost every one of Winky's fights have been controversial. I have the feeling that regardless; if he wins, we will never hear the end of this from Tito fans. "There is no way Tito can lose" etc. This has the makings of a situation where someone needs to safeguard their pockets.

Trinidad had better wrap a rubber band around his wallet, just like Eastman should have against my boy Joppy. Slick fighters clown their opponents into being broke morally and socioculturally. I see this as being no different: Only on a higher scale between two better fighters in Wright and Trinidad.

Never underestimate a thief in the ring. They are the pimps that make boxing what it is. A "Water-cooler" sport that people like to talk about untill blue in the face.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those people that say that "Tito can't lose" All I'm saying is that you guys talk like Winky can't get hit or that there is no way around his defense or that he can't get hurt because he has a good chin. For all we know Trinidad can come out and fight Winky in an entirely different way and dominate him. (Not being 1 dimentional as many people think Tito is on this site.)

All I'm saying is that you guys talk like Winky can't get hit or that there is no way around his defense or that he can't get hurt because he has a good chin. .)

Naah man, read one of my previous posts. I mentioned that I was not basing any predictions on his chin. That whole "I dont want to whitewash Winky" statement where I mentioned how he was floored by JCV 5 times in their fight.

And I apologize If I implied that you were one of those Tito fans, I was merely trying to make our discussion an extention of public opinion.

Looks strange when I use it in coalition with the "Dropping the hands against Mosley" thing. Yes. I am just talking about how unpredictable his chin really is.

I got you man... You have a good point

While Tito's power is always dangerous, I believe WInk's defense will help him overcome that. Tito unless he changes his style, he will lose. He was exposed by DLH, then he got beat by Hopkins who took DLH's plan and mastered it. Now any slick boxer who moves and jabs will give a boxer like Tito problems all night. I don't know who said it, but there is no way you can compare Tito's style to Pac's, Pac is an agressive fighter who likes movng in but at the same time he moves a lot more than Tito does. My prediction: Winky by close dicision (Don King Promotions hint, hint)

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On the issue of Winky's chin...it is granite. He dropped his hands, and let Mosley unload on him. Yes he backed up into the ropes, but that was after sustaining shots that would have knocked trinidad into next friday. Tito's chin is suspect. He has been floored by 8 different fighters, and multiple times in multiple fights. Winky at middleweight, has enough power to hurt Trinidad......and nobody will ever believe this:

because he has been on "auto-pilot" like he said. I would not be suprised if he did knock Trinidad out. I really would not. I also would not be suprised if Trinidad won a decision.

Either way. Trini is not going to knock Winky out. I gauruntee that.[/QUOTE]


It doesn't really matter if you get knocked down though at least get back up and knock them out. It's not like the people that knocked him down minus Benard got the W at the end of the fight. Winky I don't see surviving this fight. Mosely hurt him pretty bad, and cmon, this is Tito! He's going to KO Winky somewhere after the 5th. Winky is a technical boxer though Tito won't accept being in a fustrated position, he'll throw low blows and anything to open up Winky and get inside.

Wright was not hurt "pretty bad" by Mosley. Ever. He was stunned, but he wasn't woozy or wobbling around the ring like a duck or something. He took the punch well and that was with his guard down and letting Shane unload all of his power onto him.

Winky is gonna get KTFO...Jack you can give me the points right now if u want..

RIP Ronald Wright

On May 14th everyone will find out why Tito is considered an all time great and a first ballot hall of famer and Winky isn't. Everyone points to the trouble Tito has with movers and seem to make a big deal about his small problem with jabs. Yes he gets hit with jabs but he eventually finds his way around them with the exception of the Hopkins fight. Fighters have tried to move against Tito but all have failed with the exception of Hopkins. Even in the Delahoya fight Tito was able to get to Oscar enough to pull out a draw on my card.

Winky won't be able to keep Tito away with his jab all night. Winky will not be able to move away from Tito all night. Tito will punish Wright after a spirited effort from Winky in the first 4 or 5 rounds.

Tito will beat Winky on May 14th.

Winky is a great fighter.
But I'm putting my marbles on Tito on this one.

Winky is gonna get KTFO...Jack you can give me the points right now if u want..

RIP Ronald Wright

If word gets out that you're going around calling him Ronald, both you and Tito are going to get KTFO..

format that quote sheesh
anyway i am going with tito here, he will win

If word gets out that you're going around calling him Ronald, both you and Tito are going to get KTFO..

By who? by Pinky? ....lol..

Winky easily outboxes tito in route to a lopsided decision like 118-110 117-111 118-110 UD Tito will be in a boxing match not a fight

I watched Winky vs Mosley again, and I'm convinced that Winky maybe
a better technical fighter than Tito (not that Tito is not a good one himself).
But its the "heart" factor that I feel will make a difference in this
fight. And Tito has loads of that IMHO

Tito has better footwork now
That and his power is a tito haters nightmare
Goodluck to Winky..... and to all u dudes betting money, please dont do it for this fight...
In all seriousness Titos gonna embarass Winky
You dont think Tito has a game plan for an opponent that thinks using what hopkins did will win the fight
Winky is a very sharp fighter and IMO one of the best and deserves all the props that delahoya gets cuz hes better but he will not be able to take trinidads new style and usual power.
I say Tito wins this fight in 10 rounds by stoppage.
Peace

I think the story will be like, but Winky was coming up in weight, that's why Tito beat him. Ronald Winky is just Tito's next victim. And a guy who can not stand to be called by his name doesn't have the heart to withstand Tito's demolishing power, it takes a warrior. That's why Hopkins succeded and chiken DLH didn't.

I also am picking Winky to win this fight, though his attitude is really starting to make this a harder pick. If he just stuck to the shadows and toned down the trash talk, a la Glen Johnson, he could "sneak up" on Tito and win. But he is bordering on talking so much he'll believe his own hype and possibly pay the price. Either way I am looking forward to this fight almost as much as I was Tito-Mayorga.

I was never much of a Tito fan before he retired, but he is so damn exciting to watch. Winky impressed me vs. Shane, but just how impressive those wins are remains to be seen--Mosley almost seemed shot in those two fights, one punch at a time, shoddy footwork, etc.

So I'll say Wright UD 12 Trinidad but I hope to see Trinidad KO 8 Wright.

Tito has better footwork now


oh yeah? How is his footwork better? explain that please.


Winky is a very sharp fighter and IMO one of the best and deserves all the props that delahoya gets cuz hes better

Better than DLH? what are you smoking clown?

Man, Winky has no clue who he's fighting, this is tito we're talking about not mosley, who couldn't even handle vernon forest.

Man, Winky has no clue who he's fighting, this is tito we're talking about not mosley, who couldn't even handle vernon forest.

yeah. And this is not some 1 dimmensional dickweed who fights by coming straight foward throwing punches......and has no defense.

We are talking about arguably the best pure boxer in the sport next to Floyd Mayweather.


Edited.
(im talking about Mayorga). Sorry.

yeah. And this is not some 1 dimmensional dickweed who fights by coming straight foward throwing punches......and has no defense.

We are talking about arguably the best pure boxer in the sport next to Floyd Mayweather.

Man I thought you knew better...

Man I thought you knew better...

Knew better than what? Just have my points ready to go buddy.

Knew better than what? Just have my points ready to go buddy.

Don't worry bout the points....

Don't worry bout the points....

Yeah...but what were you talking about when you said:

"knew better". I should have "known better" that Tito's footwork has improved? That Winky is NOT a 1 dimmensional fighter? That he is legitimately the biggest threat Trinidad has faced since Hopkins? Come on man. Explain your picks for once please.

Yeah...but what were you talking about when you said:

"knew better". I should have "known better" that Tito's footwork has improved? That Winky is NOT a 1 dimmensional fighter? That he is legitimately the biggest threat Trinidad has faced since Hopkins? Come on man. Explain your picks for once please.

I meant that I thought that you knew that Trinidad is more than a one dimmensional fighter, he knows how to box (like he did against Whitaker/Reid) and he has a good defense, not the bestm but he has...He's just in love with his power, but I can't blame him...

Trinidad is gonna knock him out

I have a Puerto Rico flag on my wall cuz I know he will knock him out!

I meant that I thought that you knew that Trinidad is more than a one dimmensional fighter, he knows how to box (like he did against Whitaker/Reid) and he has a good defense, not the bestm but he has...He's just in love with his power, but I can't blame him...


Yes of course he has power borikua. I know that. That is why I voted him as the hardest puncher in the sport P4P. Once the people that he fought tasted his power.....they went downhill. Wright is so damn difficult to hit clean, unless he lets his hands down and stands still (like against Mosley) that his power will be useless.

Just like it was against Oscar De La Hoya.

I agree with you about the Whitaker fight. He did use more than his usual 1 dimmensional style..but he never faced this tricky of a southpaw.

I was not saying Tito is a "1 dimmensional dickweed", I was insinuating that Mayorga was. Tito is 1 dimmensional....but I never have called him a dickweed and you know that.

I was misunderstood, and I should have cleared that up. I re-edited my earlier post.

Yes of course he has power borikua. I know that. That is why I voted him as the hardest puncher in the sport P4P. Once the people that he fought tasted his power.....they went downhill. Wright is so damn difficult to hit clean, unless he lets his hands down and stands still (like against Mosley) that his power will be useless.

Just like it was against Oscar De La Hoya.

I agree with you about the Whitaker fight. He did use more than his usual 1 dimmensional style..but he never faced this tricky of a southpaw.

I was not saying Tito is a "1 dimmensional dickweed", I was insinuating that Mayorga was. Tito is 1 dimmensional....but I never have called him a dickweed and you know that.

I was misunderstood, and I should have cleared that up. I re-edited my earlier post.

You are the coolest poster:D

Yes of course he has power borikua. I know that. That is why I voted him as the hardest puncher in the sport P4P. Once the people that he fought tasted his power.....they went downhill. Wright is so damn difficult to hit clean, unless he lets his hands down and stands still (like against Mosley) that his power will be useless.

Just like it was against Oscar De La Hoya.

I agree with you about the Whitaker fight. He did use more than his usual 1 dimmensional style..but he never faced this tricky of a southpaw.

I was not saying Tito is a "1 dimmensional dickweed", I was insinuating that Mayorga was. Tito is 1 dimmensional....but I never have called him a dickweed and you know that.

Oh, my bad then bro...

At first I thought Tito was gonna blow him out of the water since Winky said that he wasn't going to run. You don't stand in front of Tito and Winky knows that so I'm sure he'll use his feet. Papa Trinidad then said that they weren't going to focus on Winky's weakneses but rather explore Tito's full potential which I find is ludacrous. I think they're overlooking Winky's skill and just thought (like I did) that Winky would stand there and trade, which would not be the case. I don't even know who to pick anymore but Winky pulling an upset don't sound retarded.

easy 12 rnd decision for wright
wrong fight for tito

Winky sure has the tools to take Tito for a long ride and repeat the bluerprint attempted by DLH, consumated by Hopkins. Nonetheless, IMO Winky does not have the power to make Tito back up. Without that, Tito will not respect him and launch at will. Winky is going to get tired and Tito is going to get better and more accurate as the rounds come. Tito by TKO or decision.

At first I thought Tito was gonna blow him out of the water since Winky said that he wasn't going to run. You don't stand in front of Tito and Winky knows that so I'm sure he'll use his feet. Papa Trinidad then said that they weren't going to focus on Winky's weakneses but rather explore Tito's full potential which I find is ludacrous. I think they're overlooking Winky's skill and just thought (like I did) that Winky would stand there and trade, which would not be the case. I don't even know who to pick anymore but Winky pulling an upset don't sound retarded.

This is one of the things that I don't like about Team Trinidad. They keep saying and have done so in the past training around Tito's potential. All fighters train for a specific opponenent. Each fighter has a particular style and the smart thing IMO is to use your potential against the opponents weaknesses. If Tito's camp did not do their homework they are in for an unpleasant surprise. Just like they underestimated Hopkins.

easy 12 rnd decision for wright
wrong fight for tito

Completely wrong. Winky will shift, and change directions on him....etc. Hit him with all sorts of jabs, and hooks to the body. Tito is going to be swinging and missing...the whole works. I think the final cards will read something like 117-111 for Wright. I would not doubt that Tito lands.....but he wont land enough, nor clean enough to hurt him.

Completely wrong. Winky will shift, and change directions on him....etc. Hit him with all sorts of jabs, and hooks to the body. Tito is going to be swinging and missing...the whole works. I think the final cards will read something like 117-111 for Wright. I would not doubt that Tito lands.....but he wont land enough, nor clean enough to hurt him.

i think you misread his post. read it again.

i think you misread his post. read it again.

I think you misread my post. read it again.
LOL. I was agreeing with him man. Its called:

Reading comprehension.

I think Tito is too accurate a puncher and, as the rounds go by and Winky gets a little complacent, Tito's accurate punches will take their toll. Tito by TKO10. Maybe if Winky had some pop in his punches he'd be able to keep Tito off of him but Wright doesn't fight going backwards, he is effective only when coming forward and you can't do that against Trinidad.

I can't wait for this fight. I hope that Trinidad wins in convincing fashion so the haters shut up. God help Winky! Ha!

I can't wait for this fight. I hope that Trinidad wins in convincing fashion so the haters shut up. God help Winky! Ha!

Same goes for all the people who are grappling with Tito's ballsack. If you werent a tito fan exciter....you would be going crazy by now, of all the remarks about how Trinidad is the best fighter who ever lived.

Same goes for all the people who are grappling with Tito's ballsack. If you werent a tito fan exciter....you would be going crazy by now, of all the remarks about how Trinidad is the best fighter who ever lived.

Am I one of those to you? I am a Trinidad fan, but I have never even considered Trinidad to be the greatest boxer of all time.

Am I one of those to you? I am a Trinidad fan, but I have never even considered Trinidad to be the greatest boxer of all time.

No. I never said that. But You seem to think anyone who picks against Tito is a hater. LOL.

No. I never said that. But You seem to think anyone who picks against Tito is a hater. LOL.

Not even close. I rarely get into feuds because of that. I state my opinion and that's it. You must be either confused and talking about someone else or just trying to start something against me. I would not now for sure.

Run W/Knives....

Winky Wright is also one-dimensional.
I'm sure you think being "one-dimensional" only applies to power hitters, right ?

If Wright has more than one dimension....how come EVERYONE of his fghts looks exactly the same ?
3 fights with McKart.....two with Mosley....w/Vargas.... All 12 rd. decisions.

It's apparent Winky does little beside fire ordinary punches behind a good jab & a hands-up defense. I see nothing so slick & fast about him....where he's making a guy miss by a little, & then firing off multi-punch combos.
I f he did things like that.....maybe SOMEONE he fought wouldn't make it to the final bell !

Trinidad has faced better opposition than Wright....& struggled less....CERTAINLY has been more dominant & impressive. So, how is Trinidad "one-dimensional" & Wright is "complete" ?

Neither case applies. Trinidad is better technically than you think, & Wright is not as sharp as you think.

Winky...is SOLID. That's a very good thing.
But....SOLID doesn't beat someone like Trinidad.

Run W/Knives....
Winky Wright is also one-dimensional.
I'm sure you think being "one-dimensional" only applies to power hitters, right ?

If Wright has more than one dimension....how come EVERYONE of his fghts looks exactly the same ?
3 fights with McKart.....two with Mosley....w/Vargas.... All 12 rd. decisions.

It's apparent Winky does little beside fire ordinary punches behind a good jab & a hands-up defense. I see nothing so slick & fast about him....where he's making a guy miss by a little, & then firing off multi-punch combos.
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I dont think he is 1 dimmensional. When I say "1-dimmensional" I am talking about his predictability in a fight. Wright is a very slick fighter in my opinion. He does have a "Walking Shield" style....but he uses alot of lateral movement. He is not necessarily fleet footed, but he is crafty...and can catch punches better than almost anyone in boxing. I see what you are saying about his "fighting history" being 1 dimmensional....but for the most part, he is Unpredictable. Sometimes he likes to brawl, and others he likes to outsmart his opponents. He is not necessarily a good counterpuncher...and I dont think that is what will give tito problems. What I do think will work for his benefit, is his southpaw style and him circling to Tito's left side...making him miss, and then shifting opposite.

Tito throws Jab+Right then Hook...or a combination of these punches. When he does catch someone, he gets them in trouble...and everyone knows he is the most dangerous finisher in boxing. What alot of people disregard.....is Winky's ring intelligence and how he never puts himself in those predicaments.

The last time I saw him lose it thoroughly...was against JC Vasquez, and that was a long time ago. What also makes this fight so interesting, is it is a matchup between the best offensive fighter in Trinidad........against the best Defensive fighter in Wright.

Defense wins championships and I think this applies directly to boxing as well. The whole "auto-pilot" thing is very intriguing to me....considering that is a newfound attitude from Wright.

He has too much to gain or lose in this fight--making him the hungrier of the two to prove himself.

I think you misread my post. read it again.
LOL. I was agreeing with him man. Its called:

Reading comprehension.

so thats why you started it out with "completely wrong"? because you were agreeing with him? ok that makes total sense now. since your post reads more like it is arguing a point. yeah it all makes sense now.

so thats why you started it out with "completely wrong"? because you were agreeing with him? ok that makes total sense now. since your post reads more like it is arguing a point. yeah it all makes sense now.


I didint mean to critcise you man. The "reading comprehension" statement was directed towards my continuation of the conversation. No pun intended Freecloud.

it's hilarious how people say trinidad can't handle a jab, just because they saw him lose his ONE AND ONLY time to the top pound for pound fighter in the world today, and one of the greatest middleweights of all time. how many other fighters with a jab has he knocked the **** out?

tito is going to win the fight with winky, get a rematch with hopkins, and lose to hopkins again.

Tito will win no doubt. I dont like Tito, im not a fan of his but he gives the ppl what they want. I dont think Winky can take a punch well, during i think the 2nd im not sure, the 2nd fight with Mosley he was wobbled a bit by one of his punches. Im not saying that Mosley doesnt hit hard but Tito deff punches harder than Mosley and if he catches Winky i think it will be over. I just hope it's not a boring fight. I dont care who wins.

it's hilarious how people say trinidad can't handle a jab, just because they saw him lose his ONE AND ONLY time to the top pound for pound fighter in the world today, and one of the greatest middleweights of all time. how many other fights with a jab has he knocked the **** out?

tito is going to win the fight with winky, get a rematch with hopkins, and lose to hopkins again.

No. Its because he got his ass handed to him by DLH.....and Nard, and has been floored over 8 times by different fighters throughout his career. Shots that were set up by the jab, something he has difficulty in dealing with.

And oh.....we should just stop the discussion there...because you "say he is going to win"? PPPPFFFfffff.

"Its because he got his ass handed to him by DLH....."


Wow....what an unbelievable exaggerration !

If Trinidad's such a weak-chinned, easy-to-floor guy.....yet was "getting his ass handed to him by DLH"....how come he never came close to even being staggered in that fight ?
DeLaHoya must have been throwing very weak punches...Oh, wait...that's exactly what he was doing.

No. Its because he got his ass handed to him by DLH.....and Nard, and has been floored over 8 times by different fighters throughout his career. Shots that were set up by the jab, something he has difficulty in dealing with.

And oh.....we should just stop the discussion there...because you "say he is going to win"? PPPPFFFfffff.

1) he didnt get his ass handed to him by DLH. DLH was winning the fight but he decided to hop n skip around the ring. who knows what would've happened had he actually fought and not ran those last rounds?

2) so he was floored by around 8 fighters throughout his career set up by the jab. and how many of those DIDNT get knocked out later in the fight? didn't vargas knock him down? we know what happened to vargas later in the fight...

3) i say "he is going to win" as an opinion. im not going to say "i think" before everything i say, it should be obvious NOBODY knows whos going to win the fight, but i say titos going to win.

"Its because he got his ass handed to him by DLH....."


Wow....what an unbelievable exaggerration !

If Trinidad's such a weak-chinned, easy-to-floor guy.....yet was "getting his ass handed to him by DLH"....how come he never came close to even being staggered in that fight ?
DeLaHoya must have been throwing very weak punches...Oh, wait...that's exactly what he was doing.

I have watched that fight over 10 times. I am still in shock Trinidad was awarded the decision, because he was getting owned for the first 8 rounds. Even Emmanuel Steward said: if DLH would have kept fighting like he was....he would have knocked Trinidad out.

Anyone who thinks Trinidad won that fight outright.....is lying to themselves.

Anyone who thinks Trinidad won that fight outright.....is lying to themselves.

i dont think anyone believes that. i just think, if oscar would have kept fighting like a man, perhaps he would have been KO'ed, maybe HE would have KO'ed trinidad, maybe he would have gotten the decision, etc.

the point is, he RAN. he didnt fight defensively, try to protect himself, try to coast thru the last rounds...no, he RAN.

can you imagine if every boxer tries to just win the first 8 rounds of every fight and then run like a ***** the rest of the fight?

I scored it 6-6.

& anyone who thinks DeLaHoya was looking great, & "handing Tito's ass to him" isn't lying to himself. He's frigging dreamin' !

the point is, he RAN. he didnt fight defensively, try to protect himself, try to coast thru the last rounds...no, he RAN.

can you imagine if every boxer tries to just win the first 8 rounds of every fight and then run like a ***** the rest of the fight?

It would make the sport a boring one yes. But does inactivity in a fight completely erase the fact that he won the earlier rounds decicevly?

I scored it 6-6.

& anyone who thinks DeLaHoya was looking great, & "handing Tito's ass to him" isn't lying to himself. He's frigging dreamin' !

He was handing him his ass the first 8 rounds by using effective punching and lateral movement. If he did not run....like shabo says....I think he would have easily won. He did not win....but he handed him his ass IMO.

He made Trini look 1 dimmensional, and unable to capitalize on power punches. Similar to what Wright is going to do. In other words....he set the blueprint that was used by Hopkins....and soon to be Wright.

He was handing him his ass the first 8 rounds by using effective punching and lateral movement. If he did not run....like shabo says....I think he would have easily won. He did not win....but he handed him his ass IMO.

He made Trini look 1 dimmensional, and unable to capitalize on power punches. Similar to what Wright is going to do. In other words....he set the blueprint that was used by Hopkins....and soon to be Wright.

You love to start arguments everytime, right? You call us Trinidad fans huggers; yet you are becoming one of Trinidad's biggest haters around.

You love to start arguments everytime, right? You call us Trinidad fans huggers; yet you are becoming one of Trinidad's biggest haters around.

Why? because I am not agreeing with everything Tito fans are saying? Its called debating. This forum is full of people who are scared to speak out......for the things they believe.

My proof to that.....I just got karma from 4 people who are reading this thread....one read: Good points....the other....wright will win. etc. Yet to see them jump in and type anything they gave me karma for.

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thats me right now. Ya well. You know. Thats just like. Your opinionman.

Why? because I am not agreeing with everything Tito fans are saying? Its called debating. This forum is full of people who are scared to speak out......for the things they believe.

My proof to that.....I just got karma from 4 people who are reading this thread....one read: Good points....the other....wright will win. etc. Yet to see them jump in and type anything they gave me karma for.

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thats me right now. Ya well. You know. Thats just like. Your opinionman.

I ain't afraid to debate as long as I feel that the other part is objective, like I am. Sure, you will say I ain't but I know who I am. What the hell are you saying? DLH handing Trinidad his ass? Come on, that's biased in my opinion. It was a close fight although I admit that the rounds that DLH won were the decisive ones. All in all, the fight was 114-114 to me.

I may not like trinidad but it doesnt mean that i dont think he's good, b/c he is good but that fight with DLH was redonkulous. No way in hell could he win that fight. Did you guys know that one of the judges gave the 2 out of the the first 3 rounds to Tito, thats is total BS, DLH without a doubt won the first 8 rounds easily. If you can try and get a hold of Legendary Nights The Tale of Trinidad and DLH, you will see how rediculous some of the judges scorecard were. No way was Tito even close to winning that fight.

I may not like trinidad but it doesnt mean that i dont think he's good, b/c he is good but that fight with DLH was redonkulous. No way in hell could he win that fight. Did you guys know that one of the judges gave the 2 out of the the first 3 rounds to Tito, thats is total BS, DLH without a doubt won the first 8 rounds easily. If you can try and get a hold of Legendary Nights The Tale of Trinidad and DLH, you will see how rediculous some of the judges scorecard were. No way was Tito even close to winning that fight.

My point. Some of our fellow posters actually think tito won.

I dont see how. That is blasphemy.

it's hilarious how people say trinidad can't handle a jab, just because they saw him lose his ONE AND ONLY time to the top pound for pound fighter in the world today, and one of the greatest middleweights of all time. how many other fighters with a jab has he knocked the **** out?

tito is going to win the fight with winky, get a rematch with hopkins, and lose to hopkins again.
Finally some real **** is said by a real spanish *****, trinidad can whoop about everyone in the middleweight division besides hopkins...Don't ride with the man because he is one of the only puerto rican champs, ride with him because he be putting tips on fools...

If Trinidad gets by Winky, i don't think Hopkins will be able to stop him. That night 4yrs ago was just not the one for Trinidad. It seemed like he threw 15 punches a round and tried to outbox an ol' skooler...not.

On tommorrow night. I think Tito's too strong for the type of fight Wright brings. That standing in the pocket **** with ya arms up is not a smart move against the Puerto Rican. He better have the pep in his step like Willie or end up like Joppy.

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im hesistant somewhat to pick Winky. I think he can outbox Tito..but..i think Tito will land some shots and test Winky's chin. How he responds to those punches..will determine if he can stick to his gameplan and simply outbox the guy.

I can't wait for this fight. I hope that Trinidad wins in convincing fashion so the haters shut up. God help Winky! Ha!

Nope. Sorry. Didint happen playa. Its only begun as far as I am concerned.

Since when is Mosley considered a power puncher???

When Tito knocks Winky out I can't wait to see what the new BS Story is going to be. We'll soon be hearing Winky doesn't have a chin a light weight would knock him into next friday. :rolleyes:

I wonder what the story line is now? I mean we have been hearing all along how inferior Wright was.....so how about his gameplan? Did you find it amusing? I liked it....I mean it was exactly how the people picking Wright to win the fight predicted. Trinidad has trouble in dealing with boxers....proved by DLH, Hopkins, and now Wright. I actually think Winky's chin is pretty good. Mosely seemed to put together a better gameplan than Tito did....and that is saying something at least.