The German guy is the frontrunner, though word is the two Italian guys are going to compete in the Atlas Stones to determine who faces off against him in the title fight.


Championship: Vacant

1. Joseph Ratzinger, Germany
2. Dionigi Tettamanzi, Italy
3. Carlo Maria Martini, Italy
4. Cardinal Claudo Hummes, Brazil
5. Oscar Andres Rodriguez Maradiaga, Honduras
6. Godfried Danneels, Belgium
7. Francis Arinze, Nigeria

Ratzi's gonna make it just because of his good defense and stamina. He's pretty conservative though. However that might qualify him in the eyes of the promoters.

I wonder if Don King is involved in this process. HW's his backyard right now, isn't it?

Ratzi's gonna make it just because of his good defense and stamina. He's pretty conservative though. However that might qualify him in the eyes of the promoters.


But how long can he hold the title for? He's already getting on in years. He stays in the religion business for too long and he'll suffer permanent brain damage.

IMO the promoters are being a bit short-sighted with this one. They should be thinking about the next generation of fans, not tryin to cater to the guys that are already die-hards.

Oscar Andres Rodriguez Maradiaga is my pick. He has a solid chin and excellent footwork. He grew up in the roughest parts of Honduras and did a little time. I really hope they give this guy a shot.

The German guy is the frontrunner, though word is the two Italian guys are going to compete in the Atlas Stones to determine who faces off against him in the title fight.


Championship: Vacant

1. Joseph Ratzinger, Germany
2. Dionigi Tettamanzi, Italy
3. Carlo Maria Martini, Italy
4. Cardinal Claudo Hummes, Brazil
5. Oscar Andres Rodriguez Maradiaga, Honduras
6. Godfried Danneels, Belgium
7. Francis Arinze, Nigeria


I'm hoping the Third World contenders (Hummes, Maradiaga or Arinze) knocks all the others out! :boxing:

Funny as hell, but wrong.

A lot of support here for the contenders from Africa and South America...but is the church really ready for a non-European pope? Probably as soon as he takes power there would be white hopes trying to take him down again. Especially with Claudo Hummes, who is definitely the Jack Johnson of the group. He prefers dandy suits to cardinal's robes and can often be seen rocketing through the streets of Sao Paolo in his hot rod, or ferrying nuns across state lines...for "church picnics", he claims. Sure, big C, whatever you say.

the one from nigeria has a mean left hook and even made a spanish speaking cardinal say "no mas"

This just in...Ratzinger's opponents are starting to come together and may rally behind a single candidate to force him out. Martini seems the likely choice, while Tettamanzi and Maradiaga are strong 3 & 4 candidates. Also, some new contenders have entered the fray.


Championship: Vacant

1. Carlo Maria Martini, Italy
2. Joseph Ratzinger, Germany
3. Dionigi Tettamanzi, Italy
4. Oscar Andres Rodriguez Maradiaga, Honduras
5. Claudo Hummes, Brazil
6. Jose da Cruz Policarpo, Portugal
7. Camillo Ruini, Italy
8. Christoph Schoenborn, Austria
9. Godfried Danneels, Belgium
10. Francis Arinze, Nigeria

I just hope whoever is chosen pope is anti "opus dei." Pope John Paul was very friendly with that bunch of wierdo ******* false converts. Opus Dei has alot of influence in the Catholic Church now, I know the Cardinal Francis George of Chicago is a member.

Where are you getting your info from Bombadier. Just because Ratzinger is the dean of the College of Cardinals does not make him a favorite.

Keep in mind that most of the Cardinals voting on this were appointed by John Paul II, so whoever succeeds him will be similar in ideology to him. Your disqualified to participate in electing the pope if your over 80 years of age. And John Paul II as one of his last acts appointed over 35 cardinals that will be elgiable to participate in electing the pope.

Over 60% of all the cardinals in the Catholic church however are Italian, so if your talking about which country the pope will be from he will most likely be Italian. Which makes sence, since Rome is in Italy and the pope is the Bishop of Rome.

Time for a black pope... with a Hummer riding on 22s instead of the pope mobile, mad bling and a pimp cup.

i would put my money in either itian guys
rome wants to bring tadition back

I just hope whoever is chosen pope is anti "opus dei." Pope John Paul was very friendly with that bunch of wierdo ******* false converts. Opus Dei has alot of influence in the Catholic Church now, I know the Cardinal Francis George of Chicago is a member.

Where are you getting your info from Bombadier.


What's your beef against Opus Dei?

i would put my money in either itian guys
rome wants to bring tadition back

The number 3 guy has a good shot, apparently he is the fallback choice for the supporters of 1 & 2 (sorry to use the numbers instead of the names, but the names are all so damn long).

What's your beef against Opus Dei?

here is a link to what opus dei is about
http://www.opusdeialert.com/

99 QUESTIONS ABOUT OPUS DEI: PAVING "THE WAY" TO WHERE

6. Why don't the innumerable Opus Dei buildings throughout the world disclose that they are the headquarters of "Opus Dei?" (Even the masonic lodge located on the same street as Opus Dei's headquarters in New York has its name on it.)

7. Is it because they are more secret about their identity than the masons?

8. Is that why Opus affiliate, Antoine Pinay, Prime Minister of France in 1951 who was a part of the reputed "Pinay Circle" was said to belong to the "...most secret of the secret societies?"

9. Does this secrecy explain why most Catholics have never heard of it?

10. Isn't secrecy and Catholicism oxymoronic?

13. How much investigation has the Vatican done in the many suspicious deaths of uncooperative members Opus Dei in the early years in Spain and South America?

14. Why was the Bishop of Madrid's 1941 approval of Opus Dei as a pious union imprinted with a "secret seal."

15. Was this done because he was the only Bishop in Spain who supported Opus Dei?

16. Why were Opus Dei members, including Msgr. Escriva, accused by Catholics before three separate tribunals in Spain of being a cabalistic and secret masonic society?

17. Why did a convent of nuns in the '30's in Spain burn copies of The Way on the public street outside their convent doors?

18. Why did two popes and virtually all the Bishops of Spain oppose Opus Dei quest for an Ecclesiastical Office for more than 20 years?

20. Since when is it part of the Catholic faith to help Jewish Rabbis stay Rabbis, as Opus Dei professes on its own website?

22. Did Rabbi Kreiman wonder why a Catholic priest is espousing talmudic teachings?

23. Why doesn't any biography of Msgr. Escriva published by Opus Dei affiliates show the indisputable fact that the family name changed from Escriba to Escriva

24. Does this name-change have anything to do with where Msgr. Escriba got his "...profound knowledge of talmudic teachings" recognized by Rabbi Kreiman?

41. In defining his members' mission, why does Msgr. Escriba teach Genesis wrongly and point to man's pre-fall status in regard to "work", as if man had the same pre-fall status now? Is this not the heresy of pantheism?


42. If we are in a pre-fall status, would there be any real need for Our Lord Jesus Christ

43. Is that why the Opus Dei cross is empty?

46. Why are Opus Dei's Catholic-sounding teachings only slightly askew from true Catholic teachings?

47. Is it so Catholics who join up won't notice?

48. Do talmudic and cabalistics teachers say that when the jewish messiah comes, non-jews are to be the slaves to jews or eliminated?

49. If one draws all the reasonable inferences from talmudic teachings about the jews, can non-jews be anything else but slaves or dead slaves?

50. Is the enslavement of Opus Dei lay members, who must turn over their salaries to Opus Dei, a sign that the jewish messiah has come?

51. Is that what Rabbi Kreiman saw in the teachings of Msgr. Escriva that the rabbi called "talmudic?"

52. Is that why Msgr. Escriva handed out whips to his Catholic members and told them to beat themselves?

53. Do Msgr. Escriva’s talmudic teachings have any connection with the recently published Vatican document that we must acknowledge the coming of a jewish messiah as taught in talmudic books

54. Is that why we no longer may convert the jews?

55. For wouldn't a messiah, even a talmudic jewish one, come to convert us and not the other way around?

56. But doesn't Catholicism teach that the Messiah already came?

57. Next time Our Lord Jesus Christ comes, doesn't He come in glory and in judgment?

58. If that's how Our Lord Jesus Christ is going to come the second time, who is this jewish "messiah" that is coming for the first time?

59. Why did Opus member Navarre Vals publicly tell the Catholic world that our acknowledgment of a coming jewish messiah and Hebrew scriptures, including talmudic books, is now "official" Catholic teaching?

60. If we acknowledge talmudic teachings, are we considered talmudic jews, slaves to the talmudic jews; or just Catholics who acknowledge talmudic books? [Please see: www.TalmudUnmasked.com -The Webmaster]

61. But if we acknowledge talmudic books, then wouldn’t we also acknowledge our role as slaves to the jews?

65. Has there ever been a saint in all the history of the Church who required the laity, under obedience to Msgr. Escriva, to beat themselves?

66. Is he the very first saint ever to hand out whips to others?

67. Does the canonization of Msgr. Escriva imply that a sanctity comes from handing out whips to others

68. Why were prime eye-witnesses opposed to the canonization barred from testifying during the canonization process?

69. Why was Msgr. Escriva's confessor, Portillo, permitted to testify ad nauseum during the canonization process in direct contradiction to the explicitly laid down rule that the candidate's "confessor" may not be called to testify during the canonization process

70. Why did the Vatican allow a member of Opus Dei to postulate what is supposed to be an unbiased cause for canonization, when such membership presents innumerable temptations toward bias as well as a clear conflict of interest in the duties of the postulator? Was this conflict made even worse by the conspicuous absence of the duties and office of the Devil's Advocate

71. In light of Pope Urban VIII explicit pronouncement that without the Devil's Advocate, no canonization is valid, why were the duties and office of the Devil's Advocate eliminated from the norms of canonization?

72. Is this because Portillo and other Opus Dei members sat on the committee that had eliminated the duties and office of Devil's Advocate?

73. Is Escriva's use of the rose with the cross, a clear Rosacrucian symbol, a coincidence or a sign of its adherence to Rosacrucian occultic beliefs?

74. Is this why early Opus member, Miguel Fisac, stated he was asked to wear a white robe during a mysterious initiation ceremony.

75. Why does Opus Dei use the symbol of the empty cross, rather than a crucifix?

76. Doesn't the initiation rite of the Rosacrucians require new members who are Christians to lay down on an empty cross and be tramped by other Rosacrucian members

77. Is this why only Opus Dei Catholic members are told that the cross is empty so that they may put themselves on it?

78. Is this why only the Catholic members of Opus Dei are required to beat themselves?

79. What was the reason why Jose Maria Escriba changed his name to (1) Jose Maria Escriva, and then again to (2) Jose Maria Escriva de Balaguer, and then again to (3) Josemaria Escriva de Balaguer and then again to (4) Josemaria Escriva de Balaguer y Albas, and then again to (5) Josemaria Escriva de Balguer y Albas, Marquis de Peralta?

Long post above but you should read that link and long post if your CAtholic.

RIP



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RIP

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AMEN!

Thanks for the Opus Dei link. :cool:

AMEN!

Thanks for the Opus Dei link. :cool:

Thanks for reading it!!!