Anyone watch this?

I thought it was ordinary. Maybe I have just been spoiled by the awesomeness of the HBO 24/7 shows but I didn't think this show did a great job of hyping this fight.

Something tells me this fight isn't going to do well money wise. I don't think it will do to great on MainEvent to be honest.


On a side note, Bernard Hopkins was freaky as ****. Real weird.

Anyone watch this?

I thought it was ordinary. Maybe I have just been spoiled by the awesomeness of the HBO 24/7 shows but I didn't think this show did a great job of hyping this fight.

Something tells me this fight isn't going to do well money wise. I don't think it will do to great on MainEvent to be honest.


On a side note, Bernard Hopkins was freaky as ****. Real weird.

did u see it on mainevent?

did u see it on mainevent?

Nah it was on one of the Fox Sports channels last night.

Also, the fights they showed on MainEvent on FreeView to promote it were stupid.

I turned it on at around 11 30 last night and Jones-Tarver III is on. I mean, wtf, that fight was terrible and Roy fought like a decaying corpse.

Also, the fights they showed on MainEvent on FreeView to promote it were stupid.

I turned it on at around 11 30 last night and Jones-Tarver III is on. I mean, wtf, that fight was terrible and Roy fought like a decaying corpse.

It's all Danny green fights today. I just watched Green-Beyer 1. I felt sorry for him after watching that. Shame he never won the rematch.

I'm starting to lean towards wanting Green to win.

It's all Danny green fights today. I just watched Green-Beyer 1. I felt sorry for him after watching that. Shame he never won the rematch.

I'm starting to lean towards wanting Green to win.

Yeah, I remember feeling for Green after that fight. That was just horrible. Seeing the emotion in the dressing room after as well. I remember thinking that has got to be ****.

I was surprised that Danny couldn't win the rematch, Beyer outboxed him thoroughly and was just clearly the better fighter.

When you look at it, Green should be tailor made for Jones. Its not like Danny is that hard a hitter and he is easy as all hell to hit. By all logic Jones should tattoo him all night and win a wide UD.

However, there is always a chance with a guy that is so old and has been fighting professionally for 20 years that he will grow old in the ring. If that happens Danny is in the condition that will allow him to take advantage of that.

Yeah, I remember feeling for Green after that fight. That was just horrible. Seeing the emotion in the dressing room after as well. I remember thinking that has got to be ****.

I was surprised that Danny couldn't win the rematch, Beyer outboxed him thoroughly and was just clearly the better fighter.

When you look at it, Green should be tailor made for Jones. Its not like Danny is that hard a hitter and he is easy as all hell to hit. By all logic Jones should tattoo him all night and win a wide UD.

However, there is always a chance with a guy that is so old and has been fighting professionally for 20 years that he will grow old in the ring. If that happens Danny is in the condition that will allow him to take advantage of that.

Jones doesn't have the stamina anymore to work all night. He'll play rope-a-dope and throw in quick hooks and uppercuts whilst leaning back. He'll catch Green plenty just using this strategy alone.

I'm concerned that this won't be enough though. Green is the hardest hitter Jones has faced since Trinidad, and Jones fought a different fight against Trinidad.
In the later rounds if Jones gets gassed and drops his guard a little whilst laying on the ropes, it will allow Green the opportunity to sneak in some hard right hands. These have the potential to change the outcome of the fight.

Green has an excellent stiff jab also.

Jones doesn't have the stamina anymore to work all night. He'll play rope-a-dope and throw in quick hooks and uppercuts whilst leaning back. He'll catch Green plenty just using this strategy alone.

I'm concerned that this won't be enough though. Green is the hardest hitter Jones has faced since Trinidad, and Jones fought a different fight against Trinidad.
In the later rounds if Jones gets gassed and drops his guard a little whilst laying on the ropes, it will allow Green the opportunity to sneak in some hard right hands. These have the potential to change the outcome of the fight.

Green has an excellent stiff jab also.

What you say is correct although I think Green as a LOT more power than the version of Trinidad that fought ROy.

Make no mistake about it, Green has a good chance in this fight, but the way I see it it all depends on Roy's performance. If Roy still has sufficient stamina and has trained properly for this fight, he should just be able to counter Green effectively and win an easy decision.

I'm not saying that is definately what will happen though.

If Roy can hit you, and hit you whenever he wants... you are going to have a long night.

Roys legs and stamina are also considerably underrated. It's a bandwagon opinion that everyone just seems to go with. It doesn't mean he can move like he used too... but it certainly doesn't mean he can't move fast still. Certainly faster then Green in every physical aspect. And I gaurantee you Roys stamina is at least on par with Green, and probably far exceeds it.

This isn't Tarver III Roy... Please believe that.

If Roy can hit you, and hit you whenever he wants... you are going to have a long night.

Roys legs and stamina are also considerably underrated. It's a bandwagon opinion that everyone just seems to go with. It doesn't mean he can move like he used too... but it certainly doesn't mean he can't move fast still. Certainly faster then Green in every physical aspect. And I gaurantee you Roys stamina is at least on par with Green, and probably far exceeds it.

This isn't Tarver III Roy... Please believe that.

I'll disagree on the stamina issue, thats about it.

I agree that they key is that Green is easy to hit. Roy should be able to tattoo him all night, as I said.

Do you think it is odd that in an attempt to hype this fight they put Tarver-Roy III on? That seems ridiculous to me.

"Hey, lets put that one on where the superstar wasn't even trying, looked in ordinary shape and fought like a dead person".

I'll disagree on the stamina issue, thats about it.

I agree that they key is that Green is easy to hit. Roy should be able to tattoo him all night, as I said.

Do you think it is odd that in an attempt to hype this fight they put Tarver-Roy III on? That seems ridiculous to me.

"Hey, lets put that one on where the superstar wasn't even trying, looked in ordinary shape and fought like a dead person".

Roy is in excellent shape... I hate to use Jeff Lacy as a measuring stick... but the fact is Roy went to work in that fight, he threw combinations... and lot of them.. he pretty much let his hands go in that fight for 10 straight rounds.


Roy-Lacy

1. 49 punches thrown
2. 71 punches thrown
3. 74 pucnhes thrown
4. 50 punches thrown
5. 74 punches thrown
6. 61 punches thrown
7. 79 punches thrown
8. 83 punches thrown
9. 83 punches thrown
10.50 punches thrown

He COULD HAVE coasted through the Lacy fight just doing enough to win, but he went over the top and far exceeded what he needed too.

Roys accuracy is at least 50%, in reality he almost lands every punch... not named Joe Calzaghe... which at this stage, Joe is just a better fighter.. too much head and body movement for a 40 yr old Roy.

Something Danny Green is NOT.

Danny Green will make Roy work harder than Lacy did, there is no question about it... but it certainly doesn't mean Roy isn't in shape... I would definitely say Roys stamina is on par with Green.

I don't want to sound like a fukwit Reed but you said "probably far exceeds it". There is no way that is the case IMO. I can accept that Roy's stamina is comparable to Green's though.

Also, I think using Lacy as a measuring stick is fine.

What evidence is there to show that Green is a materially better fighter than Lacy?

I don't want to sound like a fukwit Reed but you said "probably far exceeds it". There is no way that is the case IMO. I can accept that Roy's stamina is comparable to Green's though.

You don't sound like a "****wit" :lol1:... Nothing wrong with disagreeing on an opinion based convo. Neither of really have any clue how their stamina is in comparison. I might take away "far" and just say is equal to or exceeds it..

Also, I think using Lacy as a measuring stick is fine.

What evidence is there to show that Green is a materially better fighter than Lacy?

Well there is none, other then the fact is another bandwagon opinion around here is Lacy was shot to bits... Although not the wrecking ball he used to be, I think a lot of that fight had to do with Roy.

What do you always say in Roys fights??? "If he would let his hands go more he can still do damage".... He just doesnt let his hands go as much like he used too. Well in the Lacy fight his punch stats haven't been that high since Tarver I, which was 5 years ago.

The fact is Roy came out and let his hands go the entire fight, including round 8 and 9 throwing 83 punches in both, and you saw the results.

If he throws that many punches against Green Danny is is big trouble no doubt. He has very little defence.

I also have a suspicion Roy might be able to take Danny's shots. Roy's chin has looked fine of late IMO.

If he throws that many punches against Green Danny is is big trouble no doubt. He has very little defence.

I also have a suspicion Roy might be able to take Danny's shots. Roy's chin has looked fine of late IMO.

Yeah I agree, yet another bandwagon opinion around here...

Also, I think using Lacy as a measuring stick is fine.

What evidence is there to show that Green is a materially better fighter than Lacy?

Perhaps a fighter by the name of Otis Griffin? Green KO'd him in 3 rounds. The same Otis Griffin then went 10 rounds and lost a controversial decision to Lacy just previous to his fight with Roy.

Green is a better fighter than Jeff Lacy. This I believe is fact.

What do you always say in Roys fights??? "If he would let his hands go more he can still do damage".... He just doesnt let his hands go as much like he used too. Well in the Lacy fight his punch stats haven't been that high since Tarver I, which was 5 years ago.

The fact is Roy came out and let his hands go the entire fight, including round 8 and 9 throwing 83 punches in both, and you saw the results.

Why does Roy not let his hands go?

Is it because he chooses not to? Or is because of some physical problem; i.e stamina or weight issues relating to age?

I think it might be a bit of both...

We still don't know which Roy is going to turn up on fight night.

Why does Roy not let his hands go?

Is it because he chooses not to? Or is because of some physical problem; i.e stamina or weight issues relating to age?

I think it might be a bit of both...

We still don't know which Roy is going to turn up on fight night.

He started fighting gunshy after being knocked out.. fear of being caught again, not the same confidence to just let your hands go as he used to, but it appeared to me it was non existent in the Lacy fight.

And I'm talking 20 seconds into Round 1... It's not as if Roy "tested" Lacy first to see if he could hurt him, he didn't even hesitate, from the beginning of round 1 til the end of round 10 he let his hands go consistently and fought with a lot of confidence... and it is to note that Roy has fought worse fighters IMO in the last 5 years than Lacy and hasn't looked anywhere near as good.

I can't just say stamina because these punchstats are almost exact to what he did in his prime. The biggest things Roy has lost in his prime are his cat like reflexes, he now just has "good" reflexes. They aren't the snake like reflexes that made his opponents look ridiculous, he has to try a lot harder now and being gunshy didn't help that...

Roy-Lacy

1. 49 punches thrown
2. 71 punches thrown
3. 74 pucnhes thrown
4. 50 punches thrown
5. 74 punches thrown
6. 61 punches thrown
7. 79 punches thrown
8. 83 punches thrown
9. 83 punches thrown
10.50 punches thrown

To be fair, he has only lost one fight in the last 4 1/2 years and that was to Joe Calzaghe, a fighter nobody else has beaten either. Danny Green is just not good enough... It's going to take someone at the elite level to beat him, like Chad Dawson, maybe Bernard, Super 6 SMW... And even in those fights you still have to give Roy a decent chance.

Perhaps a fighter by the name of Otis Griffin? Green KO'd him in 3 rounds. The same Otis Griffin then went 10 rounds and lost a controversial decision to Lacy just previous to his fight with Roy.

Green is a better fighter than Jeff Lacy. This I believe is fact.

Yes, point taken.

I definately think Green beats Lacy at this point as well.

The point I was trying to make is that Danny has never beaten anyone that you would even say is a B-level fighter. He is yet to prove that he is even at that level.

Perhaps a fighter by the name of Otis Griffin? Green KO'd him in 3 rounds. The same Otis Griffin then went 10 rounds and lost a controversial decision to Lacy just previous to his fight with Roy.

Green is a better fighter than Jeff Lacy. This I believe is fact.

I used the Lacy fight as a measuring stick to the kind of shape Roy was in, not really how good of a fighter he was at the point...

Roy SHOULD have teed off on Lacy, it was the amount that he did is what I was impressed with.

Yes, point taken.

I definately think Green beats Lacy at this point as well.

The point I was trying to make is that Danny has never beaten anyone that you would even say is a B-level fighter. He is yet to prove that he is even at that level.

I agree, everybody knows what Danny brings to the table. It's there for everybody to see. We know what he's going to do on fight night. He's going to work off his stiff jab coming forward and try and land powerful rights and uppercuts. That's what he does.

What we don't know is what Roy will do. His career since 2004 has been pretty flat and somewhat unpredictable. As Reed suggested, after his losses to Johnson and Tarver he became gunshy. He had a sleight resurgence against a faded Trinidad, but got hammered by a prime Calzaghe.

I'm just not convinced that he's going to come out all guns blazing like he did in the Lacy fight. I think it's difficult to predict which Roy will show up.

Will it be a resurgent Roy prepared to work and throw lots of punches? or will it be gunshy rope-a-dope Roy who lays on the ropes all night covering up?

I think the latter.

I agree, everybody knows what Danny brings to the table. It's there for everybody to see. We know what he's going to do on fight night. He's going to work off his stiff jab coming forward and try and land powerful rights and uppercuts. That's what he does.

What we don't know is what Roy will do. His career since 2004 has been pretty flat and somewhat unpredictable. As Reed suggested, after his losses to Johnson and Tarver he became gunshy. He had a sleight resurgence against a faded Trinidad, but got hammered by a prime Calzaghe.

I'm just not convinced that he's going to come out all guns blazing like he did in the Lacy fight. I think it's difficult to predict which Roy will show up.

Will it be a resurgent Roy prepared to work and throw lots of punches? or will it be gunshy rope-a-dope Roy who lays on the ropes all night covering up?

I think the latter.

Maybe.

I think Roy will be pretty effective on the ropes in this fight to be honest. I wouldn't be surprised if he spends a lot of time there countering Danny on the inside. He has always done that very effectively, even in his absolute prime.

Maybe.

I think Roy will be pretty effective on the ropes in this fight to be honest. I wouldn't be surprised if he spends a lot of time there countering Danny on the inside. He has always done that very effectively, even in his absolute prime.

I watched him fight that way against Hanshaw. Although he can be effective there, I prefer him in the middle of the ring. Too easy to get rounds stolen from you because it doesn't look like you're working hard enough.

I watched him fight that way against Hanshaw. Although he can be effective there, I prefer him in the middle of the ring. Too easy to get rounds stolen from you because it doesn't look like you're working hard enough.

Thats a valid point.

Roy was absolutely horrible in that Hanshaw fight though. Terrible.

Roy wasn't as bad as you say in the Hanshaw fight... I've watched the fight about 10 times and I went to the fight and sat ringside.

He didn't throw enough punches, but what he did throw always landed clean, noticeable, and sharp... It was more to do with his output... but I thought he fought decent off the ropes.

In the lacy fight he fought a lot on the ropes also.. but was INCREDIBLY effective. Roys rope skills are completely and utterly underrated. He is extremely good at tieing you up, rolling with the punches, and frustrating you. When he fires back off the ropes it's always a double or triple combo usually consisting of a quick head hook and a fast deep hook to the body.

To put it in Roys words, "Why fight in the middle of the ring if I'm beating you on the ropes? Why use energy that I don't need to use... If the ropes wasn't working then I'll take it to the middle, but if it's working all night... why switch?" - Post Lacy

Why fight in the middle of the ring if I'm beating you on the ropes? Why use energy that I don't need to use... If the ropes wasn't working then I'll take it to the middle, but if it's working all night... why switch?"

Sounds like somebody has stamina issues...:joke:

Roy wasn't as bad as you say in the Hanshaw fight... I've watched the fight about 10 times and I went to the fight and sat ringside.

He didn't throw enough punches, but what he did throw always landed clean, noticeable, and sharp... It was more to do with his output... but I thought he fought decent off the ropes.

In the lacy fight he fought a lot on the ropes also.. but was INCREDIBLY effective. Roys rope skills are completely and utterly underrated. He is extremely good at tieing you up, rolling with the punches, and frustrating you. When he fires back off the ropes it's always a double or triple combo usually consisting of a quick head hook and a fast deep hook to the body.

To put it in Roys words, "Why fight in the middle of the ring if I'm beating you on the ropes? Why use energy that I don't need to use... If the ropes wasn't working then I'll take it to the middle, but if it's working all night... why switch?" - Post Lacy

I'm gonna disagree with you on the Hanshaw fight. Aside from the last couple of rounds when he hurt Hanshaw I thought he was poor. As you say he just didn't throw anywhere near enough that night for my liking.

Also, the fights they showed on MainEvent on FreeView to promote it were stupid.

I turned it on at around 11 30 last night and Jones-Tarver III is on. I mean, wtf, that fight was terrible and Roy fought like a decaying corpse.

LOL, Danny Green classic fights were on yesterday
I didn't know Danny had any classic fights :lol1:

Yeah, why did they show Jones-Lacy and Jones-Tarver

Man, they should have shown Jones-Toney or something from the 90's, show everyone what a freak he was

If he throws that many punches against Green Danny is is big trouble no doubt. He has very little defence.

I also have a suspicion Roy might be able to take Danny's shots. Roy's chin has looked fine of late IMO.

Well this calls into question who hits harder, Lacy or Green.

Even though Lacy got battered, he still found the mark occasionally, and Roy never looked troubled.

Green has never stopped any really good fighters. Plus he won't be hitting Roy flush all that much, Roy rolls and leans back from shots effectively, especially on the ropes.

Well this calls into question who hits harder, Lacy or Green.

Even though Lacy got battered, he still found the mark occasionally, and Roy never looked troubled.

Green has never stopped any really good fighters. Plus he won't be hitting Roy flush all that much, Roy rolls and leans back from shots effectively, especially on the ropes.

Obviously for this fight to be even contested Green needs to have significantly more power at Cruiser than he did at SMW. If he doesn't he will get killed. Like you say, he has never stopped an above average fighter.

Perhaps a fighter by the name of Otis Griffin? Green KO'd him in 3 rounds. The same Otis Griffin then went 10 rounds and lost a controversial decision to Lacy just previous to his fight with Roy.

Green is a better fighter than Jeff Lacy. This I believe is fact.

I agree with this. Lacy looks all power, but his shots have no pop, it's all arm punching and I'm sure Green is a far better puncher. Whilst Green has been over-rated with his power in the past, I think it's more a case of landing it and this is where he's going to either win or lose this fight. Mundine took advantage of Green having to set his shots and made him misfire all night and DG v RJJ may well be a repeat of that. I did notice at the higher weights, Greens jab did get really sharp, but I noticed in his last outing he seemed to drift back to winging shots a bit much.

didnt even know there was a build up show for this, im going to try and find it.

didnt even know there was a build up show for this, im going to try and find it.

IF you find it,let me know,thanks..
It was shown on foxsports.

Anyone know where I can find a list of venues screening the fight?

what time do you think we are looking at for the main event? Around 9:30pm?

Anyone know where I can find a list of venues screening the fight?

try the main event website

but pretty much every labor club or RSL or whatever should be showing it

Anyone know where I can find a list of venues screening the fight?

Plenty of places showing.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/boxing/fight-night#green-v-jones-jr

Just whack your postcode into there.

what time do you think we are looking at for the main event? Around 9:30pm?

At the earliest I'd say. Usually it's around 10pm. I'm about to head to Acer Arena for beers before the fight starts.

Make sure you guys have got your tips in for RJJ/Green and Hopkins/Ornelas.

Has this fight been hyped up well in aussie?

Do the general aussie public think Green is going to not get clowned?

Any updates? still looking for a stream..undercards to start 45 mins from now..