View Full Version : We All Know How Strong and Dominating Kostya Tsyzu can Be. Who could beat him?


Zab Super Judah
04-13-2005, 02:22 AM
Who do you guys think would have the best shot at beating him?

joeboxer
04-13-2005, 03:32 AM
I do if I could just lose these last extra 100 pounds and get back down to 140.

NAB
04-13-2005, 03:41 AM
The best chance of anyone beating the Tszyu of '99 onwards is Floyd. He would have to be at the top of his game.
Zab could too, but would most likely catch a straight right again.

Bozo_no no
04-13-2005, 04:13 AM
While it by no means would be a certianty, I think I'd take Mayweather over Tszyu. I think Mayweather's speed and defense would give him enough to win a cautious decesion.

marvelous_TG
04-13-2005, 04:23 AM
zab and floyd, but i almost no for sure, tszyu would find zab's chin and KO him. i think floyd mayweather has the best chance of beating tszyu, but i would still favor tszyu, he's somthing special.

czars_salad
04-13-2005, 04:27 AM
pfb has the better chance

Zab Super Judah
04-13-2005, 04:28 AM
a name that noone mentioned is cotto......I think cotto has a chance after he gets some big name fights

NAB
04-13-2005, 04:32 AM
Zoo will be retired by then.
No way is Cotto ready now.

marvelous_TG
04-13-2005, 04:34 AM
a name that noone mentioned is cotto......I think cotto has a chance after he gets some big name fights
maybe but light hitting corley showed, you can hurt him, and fact is corley doesn't hit hard, although it wasen't a chin shot so you can techniqally not say he has a bad chin, i think it does indicate if you can take a good shot or not. anyway, we know he can be hurt and tszyu will hurt you, imagine tszyu hitting him with on the sleep. :eek: çotto has nothing on tszyu, speed, power, strength, chin, experience, he isn't even bigger than tszyu, no i don't think cotto stands a chance against tszyu.

Zab Super Judah
04-13-2005, 04:36 AM
any man can be hurt my a punch doesnt matter how hard it is.....but i agree cotto is not ready......although it seems like physically cotto is bigger? judging by his weight vs corley

marvelous_TG
04-13-2005, 04:44 AM
any man can be hurt my a punch doesnt matter how hard it is.....but i agree cotto is not ready......although it seems like physically cotto is bigger? judging by his weight vs corley
probably, tszyu is pretty big now too, i don't think that would matter as tszyu is very big to, and i think stronger, but not sure about that, although all his opponents say he's very strong.
What do you think about hatton do you think he has a chance at beating tszyu?

Zab Super Judah
04-13-2005, 05:06 AM
i think if hatton can get passeed the first 5 rounds he has a very good shot of beating tsyzu on points

Zab Super Judah
04-13-2005, 05:06 AM
hatton tends to jus run in and start swinging which is never good vs tsyzu..if hatton has an effect plan then we will know by round 5 whether or not hatton has a chance

marvelous_TG
04-13-2005, 06:40 AM
hatton tends to jus run in and start swinging which is never good vs tsyzu..if hatton has an effect plan then we will know by round 5 whether or not hatton has a chance
willing to bet on ricky?

Bombardier
04-13-2005, 09:46 AM
What do you all think of Floyd's punching power at 140? Is it enough to drop Tszyu? Hard to tell from the fights he's had at that weight so far.

As for Cotto, he would go in with guns blazing and he might rattle Kotsya in the early rounds but it would just take on good shot to drop him. Kostya showed in Sharmba 1 that he still is tough enough to take a few good shots (Sharmba didn't even get the chance to test that out again the rematch).

puppy_dogg
04-13-2005, 09:58 AM
floyd's punches have never been devestating but they are damaging and he's good at beating people down. with floyd's speed and skills he can pepper just about anyone when he chooses to and he does hit hard enough to cause damage throughout the rounds which can lead to ko/tko. chop chop is a tough bastard so you cant hold that against floyd, i think he could finish anyone at 140 except cotto, cause miguel likes to be a ****in heavyweight by fight time :mad:

AintGottaClue
04-13-2005, 10:22 AM
floyd has the best chance cause imo he has the best defence. chicken dancing wont save u from zoo. id pick oscar over zoo though :)

guru
04-13-2005, 02:40 PM
at 140, the only guys i think that have a shot of beating zoo are floyd and harris(he looks like a light heavey)...

at 147, i'd say oscar, shane and forrest all have a good chance

hitman7hearns7
04-13-2005, 02:47 PM
dude hatton does not cum in swing he throws precised hooks with good head movment and is very controlled but what eva

cotto v kostya hatton has more of a chance than cotta and hattons chances aren't exactly fantastic

kostya whould do a zab all over cotton
in fact he'd do a mitchell all over cotton

cotton would end up on the floor a bloody mess
dont get me wrong hes good but just not good enought

i think even hatton would over whelm cotton

(allthought i think cotto will be a good champ in a couple of years maybe if he plsys his cards right)

eden
04-13-2005, 05:04 PM
no witter?????

KYTFO
04-13-2005, 06:12 PM
pbf has a chance because of his speed & defence.harris also has a chance because size& style wise would look to be a tzsyu-phillips all over again. and i believe if he moves up in weight .the only one i would choose over tzsyu would be kermit "the killer" cintron by tko or ud.

Dio2
04-14-2005, 02:57 PM
I think Zab could beat him. Zab is a much more mature fighter in the ring. If you look at his fight with Kostya he only got caught because he slipped to the inside towards Kostya's right hand. I still don't understand to this day why he would slip inside especially if he wasn't trying to counter. He had also found something against Kostya in the first round that I think he was trying to exploit again. PBF however would probably lose. Given he is very quick and has great defense but he fights on the outside a lot which is a recipe for disaster against Kostya. PBF would most likely get KOd because he has started to commit to his punches more in an effort to be a more exciting fighter. Kostya just thinks so well in the ring I can't make anyone without speed and power and ring intelligence the favorite over him. He has beaten fighters that are more talented than him before. It would just be hard to do that twice. I do think that a lot of people think Kostya is better than he really is.

guru
04-14-2005, 03:40 PM
up til the now, i've always thought KT was underrated... i loved the way he boxed tackie... very few fighters can pull a 180 on their style like that... some assumed he was a str8 forward offensive fighter, but he can box and jab too.... also, he can slip and avoid punches when he wants to, but it seems he prefers to destroy...

NAB
04-14-2005, 07:52 PM
Bingo. Spot on.

Mech.
04-14-2005, 08:23 PM
I think anybody who comes in prepared can beat KT actually,I mean hes a great fighter and what he does he does well,but he's never shown a lot of variety in his game, but hes always disciplined and he's strong,that what makes him dangerous,you cant get on the inside with KT,he's too accurate.

dando
04-14-2005, 08:35 PM
a name that noone mentioned is cotto......I think cotto has a chance after he gets some big name fights

No way in hell Cotto could do it, the guy was almost knocked out by chop chop.

The Troll
04-14-2005, 08:43 PM
I say Arturro Gatti, the guy is cut from Iron, He might be the only guy that can take what Tzyu dishes out and then bring back some of his own. Everybody will probably think i am stupid for that response, but genuinally against the slugging beast Tzyu, best solution is just get another harding hitting brawler like gatti in with him. Tzyu is alot faster, but Gatti never quits and his jaw is cut from iron. Plus Gatti hits harder than anybody else on the list.

NAB
04-14-2005, 09:11 PM
Actually, if you look at Gatti's record, his KO% isn't that great. 18 fights for 8 KO's since the start of 97. I'm wondering how hard he really hits.

The Troll
04-14-2005, 09:12 PM
Actually, if you look at Gatti's record, his KO% isn't that great. 18 fights for 8 KO's since the start of 97. I'm wondering how hard he really hits.

Hard enough to put Leonard Dorin down with one body shot.

NAB
04-14-2005, 09:25 PM
Dorin is still a small guy though. Isn't he like 5'3 or something?
If you look at Gatti's record, he doesn't seem to have the P4P power he had at 130.

The Troll
04-14-2005, 09:27 PM
Dorin is still a small guy though. Isn't he like 5'3 or something?
If you look at Gatti's record, he doesn't seem to have the P4P power he had at 130.

Maybe he is small but he is a tough little Romanian, Gatti was the first one to ever stop him in his pro career.

Macca
04-23-2005, 09:12 AM
I think anybody who comes in prepared can beat KT actually,I mean hes a great fighter and what he does he does well,but he's never shown a lot of variety in his game, but hes always disciplined and he's strong,that what makes him dangerous,you cant get on the inside with KT,he's too accurate.

His huge record as an Amatuer and then Pro indicates that for a pretty basic boxer that is as one dimensional as you suggest is not a bad effort.
Maybe he should write a book how to win lots of things with a limited repartoir.
Come on Mate
:D

AintGottaClue
04-23-2005, 09:17 AM
ddint vince phillips beat him? if so i pick him :D . COOL VINCE PHILLIPS WOOOOOOOO

Shaolin Bushido
04-23-2005, 10:02 AM
Who do you guys think would have the best shot at beating him?

Probably Floyd would beat him most consistently and completely. The worst part is Floyd would go the entire fight frustrating Kostya by refusing to war with him on his terms.

Macca
04-23-2005, 10:11 AM
KT does not have to go to war to beat another Boxer.
He sums up each opponent and adjusts.
Have you seen the clip on here where he was an an amatuer before he turned Pro.
He fought like a Pro as an Amatuer and outclassed and out boxed his opponent (Forrest was it) he beat everyone that was anyone as an amatuer.
300 plus fights for 6 losses, not a bad avaerage considering dodgy decisions etc.
He has consistantly beat all comers during his Career.
One glitch where he was involved in a multi million legal battle with his old promoter at the time.
Since then he has applied himself to every challenge unlike many and won.

BrooklynBomber
04-23-2005, 10:13 AM
The only guy that will beat Tszyu is Father Time. Anybody else will just get a boxing lesson or 90 day boxing license ban.(these who box know what I mean.)

Macca
04-23-2005, 10:28 AM
The only guy that will beat Tszyu is Father Time. Anybody else will just get a boxing lesson or 90 day boxing license ban.(these who box know what I mean.)

You are right mate. I wish he was 26 again.
He brings something to the sport that others with their street talking crap and bull**** take away.
The sport needs atheletes like KT and the way he respectfully handles himself.
He comes across as humble, self contained and without the need to talk himself up and others down.

Shaolin Bushido
04-23-2005, 10:30 AM
KT does not have to go to war to beat another Boxer.
He sums up each opponent and adjusts.
Have you seen the clip on here where he was an an amatuer before he turned Pro.
He fought like a Pro as an Amatuer and outclassed and out boxed his opponent (Forrest was it) he beat everyone that was anyone as an amatuer.
300 plus fights for 6 losses, not a bad avaerage considering dodgy decisions etc.
He has consistantly beat all comers during his Career.
One glitch where he was involved in a multi million legal battle with his old promoter at the time.
Since then he has applied himself to every challenge unlike many and won.

Kostya is an all-timer, no doubt. I judge him second only to Pryor at the jr welter limit, among guys who've fought at or around that weight in the last 30 years.

Macca
04-23-2005, 10:34 AM
We agree on that my friend.

Cheers

TyrantT316
04-23-2005, 11:04 AM
I picked Judah, Floyd, and Harris

SuckaPunch
04-23-2005, 11:36 AM
As much as I like Kostya Tszyu, I would say Floyd would make Kostya look stupid for a whole 12 rounds unless Kostya hits a jackpot and land that solid right hand to the jaw, but Mayweather reflexes is just too quick.

Truth
04-23-2005, 11:45 AM
While it by no means would be a certianty, I think I'd take Mayweather over Tszyu. I think Mayweather's speed and defense would give him enough to win a cautious decesion.

Yeah I think Floyd could beat Tyszu with the proper gameplan.