After watching these 2 fights let me tell you, Tyson has a good chance at becoming the WBC champ again. Lets start with the Tyson, Williams fight.

In that fight Tyson showed more skill than he has in the last 10 years. He landed some big body shots in RD1 that I believe hurt Danny, then Danny gets close to Tyson and Bam Bam Bam , a nasty 3 punch combo, makes danny step back then BAM super fast left hook that he didnt even see that caused Danny to do the chiken dance, then Danny Hangs on for Dear life smothering Tyson with Clinches, then Tyson pulled his kness, (Damn it) After that Tyson threw some good shots but you can tell by the way he was trhowing them that something was wrong. We all kno the conclusion.

Ok now Danny vs Klitschko

What can I say besides LMAO, danny once again showed us his dancing skills with a remix of the chicked dance but Klitschko didnt let him clinch so his bum ass went down, and got up and took a beating for 7 more rds.

Ok point of the post is that after watching both fights I really believe that Tyson can beat Vitaly, Vitaly has horrible defense and there is no way Tyson wont connect early. Vitalys punches arent that devestating but they do damage after a while. The way Tyson moves his head would give Vitaly problems , And if Tyson can slip a Vitaly one two which he throws allot I think he will make Vitaly pay either to the body or the chin. Tyson is 2 or 3 times faster than Vitaly. , you can tell by watching these 2 fights, Danny williams already said that Tyson has more one punch power, which i dont think vitaly has ever seen so he might go down in shock. I think Tyson can win in KO fashion around the 2nd or 3rd. Just watch these 2 fights and tell me what you guys think. And i mean watch them right after one another.
oh yeah to add to that Tyson wouldnt fall as easy as DAnny also, he has a way better chin than Danny. It took Lewis 8 rounds to KO a outta shape Tyson so if hes in shape I think we are looking at the future 2 time undisputed champ!! CANT WAIT

Vitaly has horrible defense and there is no way Tyson wont connect early.

Ugly, robotic, gangly, there are many ways to describe Vitali's defense. Horrible, my friend, is not one of them. I like Tyson, but Big Klit is the last person right now he should be fighting. He will not fear Tyson, he will not play into a slug war, he has a damn fine chin, and he will be punching from the rafters. The roboKlit will just throw at range and out box Tyson. As far as speed goes, if Byrd was not too quick, then a over age tyson will not blind Vitali with speed.

Ugly, robotic, gangly, there are many ways to describe Vitali's defense. Horrible, my friend, is not one of them. I like Tyson, but Big Klit is the last person right now he should be fighting. He will not fear Tyson, he will not play into a slug war, he has a damn fine chin, and he will be punching from the rafters. The roboKlit will just throw at range and out box Tyson. As far as speed goes, if Byrd was not too quick, then a over age tyson will not blind Vitali with speed.


Well said. This is just about as accurate as you can get.

Ugly, robotic, gangly, there are many ways to describe Vitali's defense. Horrible, my friend, is not one of them. I like Tyson, but Big Klit is the last person right now he should be fighting. He will not fear Tyson, he will not play into a slug war, he has a damn fine chin, and he will be punching from the rafters. The roboKlit will just throw at range and out box Tyson. As far as speed goes, if Byrd was not too quick, then a over age tyson will not blind Vitali with speed.


I understand where you are coming from, Maybe I shouldnt have used horable, but its not that great. Yeah Byrd has no power behind that speed, Corrie Sanders was able to hurt klitschko in the early rounds, I believe Tyson has more power than Sanders, Fact is Tyson can KO any one of these heavy weights on any givin night, but thats only if hes in shape and actually fights like he wants to win. I do think Vitaly would cause Tyson some problems but I dont think he is that great to keep Tyson at bay like Lewis did. This all is just my opinion, Plus Tyson was outta shape against lewis, well maybe not outta shape but not in shape,If he cdame in shape in the 220s I believe he will go out on top. :banana:

I understand where you are coming from, Maybe I shouldnt have used horable, but its not that great. Yeah Byrd has no power behind that speed, Corrie Sanders was able to hurt klitschko in the early rounds, I believe Tyson has more power than Sanders, Fact is Tyson can KO any one of these heavy weights on any givin night, but thats only if hes in shape and actually fights like he wants to win. I do think Vitaly would cause Tyson some problems but I dont think he is that great to keep Tyson at bay like Lewis did. This all is just my opinion, Plus Tyson was outta shape against lewis, well maybe not outta shape but not in shape,If he cdame in shape in the 220s I believe he will go out on top. :banana:

tyson was out of shape he weiht more than before vs lewis. even if he was in shape i think the outcome would be the same but tyson wouldnt take that much punishment.even though tyson lost to
lewis he show will and heart in that fight really, if a young mike had it he would be undefeated(and great chin). tyson fight vs danny show that he wasent all out he still had some power and movement and i also think he could ko anyone in hv today but i dont think his power and some movement is enough to win over klicksko.

If Tyson fought Viatli 100 times... Vitali would win 100 of them.

Tyson's gone, he's a shot fighters.

I don't actually believe he injured his knee either, I think that was a bull**** excuse from corrupt promoters and Managers to try and sell another Tyson fight.

I reckon if you watch it again with the sound down, you'll see that after 3 rounds, Tyson had merely punched himself out.

I ain't a crazy Brit who thought Danny Williams was gonna beat Vitali or any of that crap... I've watched Danny on British TV for years... Danny Williams is a good domestic fighter, but nothing more.

Tyson's an OLD 38yr old.

If Tyson fought Viatli 100 times... Vitali would win 100 of them.

Tyson's gone, he's a shot fighters.

I don't actually believe he injured his knee either, I think that was a bull**** excuse from corrupt promoters and Managers to try and sell another Tyson fight.

I reckon if you watch it again with the sound down, you'll see that after 3 rounds, Tyson had merely punched himself out.

I ain't a crazy Brit who thought Danny Williams was gonna beat Vitali or any of that crap... I've watched Danny on British TV for years... Danny Williams is a good domestic fighter, but nothing more.

Tyson's an OLD 38yr old.


of course your saying that look where your from. Tyson will be champ again and when he is people hating on him now will the the main ones saying i knew he could do it, no way vitaly beats Tyson 100 outta 100 times, what are you smoking, he might be along way from 1988 but he aint that bad, Vitaly is no Ali, i dont see whats so special about him, Slow and Robotick, no defense.

'Slow and robotic' ????

I think you are having a problem differentiating between negative themes and smart fighting.

Vitali has a PhD. He is one smart guy. He knows what is necessary in defense and can cater his style to his opponent. In the sanders fight he took a couple of big shots, but at no time did it look like he was going down.

Tyson would have no chance against vitali. If you want to see what will happen watch Tyson Lewis. Tyson will be kept at range and dominated far away from his effective zone.

Just because he isnt a mentally imbalanced bralwer does not mean that vitali's style is not the most effective style out there in the heavyweight division today.

'Slow and robotic' ????

I think you are having a problem differentiating between negative themes and smart fighting.

Vitali has a PhD. He is one smart guy. He knows what is necessary in defense and can cater his style to his opponent. In the sanders fight he took a couple of big shots, but at no time did it look like he was going down.

Tyson would have no chance against vitali. If you want to see what will happen watch Tyson Lewis. Tyson will be kept at range and dominated far away from his effective zone.

Just because he isnt a mentally imbalanced bralwer does not mean that vitali's style is not the most effective style out there in the heavyweight division today.


Vitaly will loose to Tyson, Tyson was not prepaired for the Lewis fight, and you all kno that. That was the dumb crazy Tyson, he knows now what he has to do and he will do it. Vitaly always looks surpised when he gets hit, if Tyson lands a clean one on that jaw i dont think he will keep his composer he will try to attack, he did that against Williams, Danny landed a punch and he looked suprised, same with Sanders.Tyson can beat Vitaly and I dont think he will fight if he doesnt feel the same way.

Vitaly will loose to Tyson, Tyson was not prepaired for the Lewis fight, and you all kno that. That was the dumb crazy Tyson, he knows now what he has to do and he will do it. Vitaly always looks surpised when he gets hit, if Tyson lands a clean one on that jaw i dont think he will keep his composer he will try to attack, he did that against Williams, Danny landed a punch and he looked suprised, same with Sanders.Tyson can beat Vitaly and I dont think he will fight if he doesnt feel the same way.
If Lewis or Sanders, both bigger punchers than Tyson, couldn't drop Klitchko, there's no way Tyson is going to manage it. Everybody is surprised when they catch a big shot....what matters, though, is how they take it, not the look on their face. Klitchko's never been down, and has a recent history of fights against some huge punchers, and taking their shots well. And while Tyson doesn't exactly have a glass jaw, the term "Iron" doesn't describe it either. And aside from all that, Klitchko's just too big for him. Tyson has never done well against huge, smart fighters that don't trade inside with him, and I can't see a fight with Klitchko being any different. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if Klitchko stopped him within 3. Tyson would have to weather the storm of that left to get inside, and even if he did, the odds are that Vitali wouldn't be there once he got inside. And if Tyson tried jabbing his way in, he'd most likely end up catching overhand right counters from Klitchko.

No, I just don't think Tyson would stand a chance against Klitchko, even at his peak. Too big, too smart, and too fast. Clumsy as he looks, he's effective as hell in the ring.

If Lewis or Sanders, both bigger punchers than Tyson, couldn't drop Klitchko, there's no way Tyson is going to manage it. Everybody is surprised when they catch a big shot....what matters, though, is how they take it, not the look on their face. Klitchko's never been down, and has a recent history of fights against some huge punchers, and taking their shots well. And while Tyson doesn't exactly have a glass jaw, the term "Iron" doesn't describe it either. And aside from all that, Klitchko's just too big for him. Tyson has never done well against huge, smart fighters that don't trade inside with him, and I can't see a fight with Klitchko being any different. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if Klitchko stopped him within 3. Tyson would have to weather the storm of that left to get inside, and even if he did, the odds are that Vitali wouldn't be there once he got inside. And if Tyson tried jabbing his way in, he'd most likely end up catching overhand right counters from Klitchko.

No, I just don't think Tyson would stand a chance against Klitchko, even at his peak. Too big, too smart, and too fast. Clumsy as he looks, he's effective as hell in the ring.

Tyson may be finished now, but to say sanders and lewis are bigger punchers than tyson is asinine

Tyson may be finished now, but to say sanders and lewis are bigger punchers than tyson is asinine
Not at all. Tyson is a big puncher, but nothing extraordinary in the heavyweight division. His real key to success wasn't his power, but his accuracy, his ability to move inside lightning-quick, and then to unload the power that he does have dead on target and in combination form. Many, if not most, fighters can take a single big shot...but 3 or 4, or more, unloaded with frightening accuracy and speed? No. That's how Tyson built his career. Footwork and accuracy. He has more power than Klitchko, who uses punch volume to KO his opponents rather than 1 punch KO power, but definitely not Lewis or Sanders.

Not at all. Tyson is a big puncher, but nothing extraordinary in the heavyweight division. His real key to success wasn't his power, but his accuracy, his ability to move inside lightning-quick, and then to unload the power that he does have dead on target and in combination form. Many, if not most, fighters can take a single big shot...but 3 or 4, or more, unloaded with frightening accuracy and speed? No. That's how Tyson built his career. Footwork and accuracy. He has more power than Klitchko, who uses punch volume to KO his opponents rather than 1 punch KO power, but definitely not Lewis or Sanders.

maybe not lewis but definitely sanders.

Vitali can't handle Tyson. Vitali's only chance at beating Tyson is staying outside, behind hard, straight punches, but even that isn't full proof, because of Tyson's head movement. Vitali is going to be knocked out by Tyson. Trust me.

if sanders could'nt put vitali down, i dont think tyson could. this is not the ruthless killer tyson that fought berbick and spinks. in his fight with williams he showed horrible defense cause his fighting mentality and awarness is basicly eroded, while he got hit with about 8 punches in a row, that was sad to watch. if he fought vitali he would get seriously hurt

I agree with Stickman... Tyson is a bit of a myth. He was exciting to watch but his most significant win to date is probably over Razzor Ruddock - And we all saw what happened when Lennox Lewis demolished him!

Tyson wasn't a HUGE concussive puncher. He just hit them with powerfull combinations.

Tyson will not be the Heavyweight champion again, because he's gotten old, and is now a 3 round fighter.

Everyone will be queing up to fight him now because he's a good name to have on your record - much the same way people all wanna fight Holyfield. With Tyson, all you gotta do is keep out of his way for 3 rounds and the fights yours!

if sanders could'nt put vitali down, i dont think tyson could. this is not the ruthless killer tyson that fought berbick and spinks. in his fight with williams he showed horrible defense cause his fighting mentality and awarness is basicly eroded, while he got hit with about 8 punches in a row, that was sad to watch. if he fought vitali he would get seriously hurt
tyson might have a chance aganist brewster or ruiz, but i just can't see how he would get anywhere near vitali, vitali at this point is better than the lennox lewis that beat tyson in 2002, or at least equal, vitali would close the show on mike's career if they fought

tyson hasn't beaten a quality opponent in years... he's getting much older... he's very inactive... he's never been right in the head... yet he's going to beat a bigger, younger, more active, world champion, who's been in with and beaten good opposition.... i dont think so...

people are hanging on to the old tyson, just like they did with holyfield... another loss or two and this will be a mute subject...

Tyson would get beat down by Vitali no doubt but none less the guarantee this fight will happen and I will order it. It will happen because Tyson will win like 3 or 4 fights in a row then fight Vitali and Vitali's dream has always been to beat Tyson. Tyson will regain his credibility through one means or another. The fight will be such a beatdown, but none the less entertaining, Mike always puts on a good show even when he's loosing. He will hang in for like 9 rounds. Laila Ali just better not be the undercard.

I am starting to think that it's these Tyson dreamer's (That Tyson is gonna become the heavyweight champion again) that are a lot to blame for his exploitaion.

Tyson is gone!... He's been gone for a long time. He does still generate a lot of money, and in come the promoters/managers that will look for excuses as to why he lost just to sell another show.

I feel sorry for Mike because he's now getting completely exploited and it's this dangerous stage of his career where he can't fight back the way he used to. Poor Mike is gonna take some bad beatings before they've sucked as much money out of him as they can... And like Ali, it'll be from fighters not fit to lace gloves!

i dont think we'll see VK vs tyson... i think tyson will get beat again before it can happen...

i dont think we'll see VK vs tyson... i think tyson will get beat again before it can happen...

They will just get guys in with him who will take dives then.

They will just get guys in with him who will take dives then.
"Cough"... McBride... LOL!...

I cant believe there is still tyson fans after tyson-holyfield 2. He's a piece of trash who doesn't deserve to fight anymore.

So we can see how Tyson would beat Vitali by watching the Williams fights back-to-back?


Rigghhhhhhhhhhhhhht..... so we watch Danny Williams take Tyson's best shots, get wobbled, but then come back with his own and KD Tyson, who sits down rather than be humbled. Then we watch the same Danny Williams get knocked to bits by Klitschko in arguably the most one-sided heavyweight title fight in history?

I see what you're saying... a guy who KOed Tyson in four didn't even have a prayer against Vitali... which means Tyson would beat Vitali. I see.




Let's bring up this "knee" thing. While I don't believe in dirty fighting (but bearing in mind during the Williams fight Tyson seemed to think his head was an extra fist) the entire reason why Tyson's knee went - apart from the fact that he's old and shot - is that Williams was leaning on him during the clinches. Rather than duck under and step back, Tyson tried to push the 18 stone+ Williams off... a ploy by the Williams camp. And one that someone with Tyson's experience should not have fallen for.

Of course, Tyson went three more rounds with a completely useless knee, right? :rolleyes:

Incidentally, Danny said that the uppercut from Tyson made a white light go off behind his eyes and he was disorientated for about 15-20 seconds. But he categorically stated that Tyson didn't hurt him with a single body shot, only the ones to the head.


It took Lewis 8 rounds to KO a outta shape TysonThis is the crazy logic of the post... "It took Lewis 8 rounds to KO a outta shape Tyson". But as you've said at the beginning, in fact the entire point on which your post hangs, he was KOed in four by Williams.


Last three points:

1. If you really think that Danny Williams beat Tyson by clinching you really ought to watch the fight again. Preferably without Tyson-tinted glasses.

2. Would 5'11 Tyson's fist even get near 6'8 Vitali's chin?

3. It's spelt with an I, not a Y.

I cant believe there is still tyson fans after tyson-holyfield 2. He's a piece of trash who doesn't deserve to fight anymore.

I cant believe there are holyfield fans after the rahman fight, he is a piece of trash who uses his bald head to win fights.

Mike Tyson is a convicted rapist and a biter.... nice role model

get off it,were not talking about tyson outside the ring(or holy for that matter) this is boxing what u do in the ring is what counts so stop with the role modle and trash talks on 2 of the best fighters that the 80's-90's had(even lewis doesnt come close to a prime holy or tyson sucess,skills and most of all entertainment---truth is lewis had a easy era of boxing to get through with old holy's and shot tysons and big guys with no skills)
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i dont think tyson has much of a chance against VK but i would order it and so would millions of others because its tyson vs the guy who took lenox to the edge and lost the fight but didnt get beat.So i dont think it will be that hard for tyson to conncet on VK but if tyson cannot catch him within 4rounds this fight will be a landslide vitcory for Vitali.

The best heavyweight of the 90's/2000's was without a doubt - LENNOX LEWIS.

Yeah, Holyfield was a great fighter, and so was Tyson... But neither of them dominated the division the way Lennox did and for that lengh of time either.

Lennox Lewis had an easy era?... What about Tyson?... LOL!...

Holyfield was great, and had a lot of heart but he got beat a load of times...

Maybe Lennox Lewis wasn't the most entertaining fighter of the three, (And I only think that is because he's not American... American's like to see Americans and that's it... Personally I think he was VERY entertaining to watch, he was a student of the sweet science), But I think that "skill wise" Lennox Lewis wins hands down over Holyfield/Tyson.

Hurlex - I'm not sure what Lewis/Tyson/Holyfield fights you've been watching to come up with that analysis? :confused: :eek:

Tyson is so finished its not even funny.

How many more beating do u want him to have LOL


he is like Butterbean now, fighting well past top 50 boxers in non boxing states with corrupt refs etc, WELCOME TO THE CIRCUS.

He will not beat a top ten guy again, its guys like Tyson Holy and Bowe that are ruining this sport to the general public.

How the hell anybody who claims to be a serious boxing fan say tyson will be champ again is lying to themselves.

Shame that more and more threads on this forum are turning into bashes, or flame-fests.

I didn't think this one was so bad, and the forum has improved immeasurably IMO lately.

There was a time around Jan/Feb when you couldn't move for smack talkers. Most of them seem to have given up now.

:rolleyes: i can't believe we are talking about tyson being champ again. :no: :no: seems like the same old story everytime. "but tyson knows what he has to do now to be chump...i mean champ""oh he was outta shape last time" blah blah blah. :gives:

I just don't think Tyson has the same ability anymore. I don't think any amount of training will bring it back. Quickness is the first thing to go with age. If you look at a prime Tyson you'll see that his headmovement and quickness are not close to what it was in his prime even in the first round. Maybe he could increase his endurance if he actually went to the gym. I'm not saying he's completely slow now but there is a certain amount of sharpness, quickness and crispness that he will never get back.

he's lost it... they say the first things to go are your reflexes and your chin... the last thing to go is your punch, so tyson is still dangerous but only has a punchers chance to beat the top guys right now..

Klitschko knows nothing but a slug war. Saying he wouldn't fall into one is just wrong. Tyson hits harder. He can take 3 of Vitali's punches for every one he lands. Klitschko was rocked by Lewis, who no doubt hits hard too, but nothing like Tyson. Once Vitali tastes that power of Iron Mike, this fight'll look A LOT like Mike vs. Golota did. Vitali would quit if not knocked out in a couple rounds.

And he'd get scared. Believe me, seeing Tyson coming at you across the ring will make you at least a little scared. Then, once Vitali tastes that power, he'll realize "Oh ****, this IS Mike Tyson." Then whatcha gonna do?

Lmfao.........

Klitschko knows nothing but a slug war. Saying he wouldn't fall into one is just wrong. Tyson hits harder. He can take 3 of Vitali's punches for every one he lands. Klitschko was rocked by Lewis, who no doubt hits hard too, but nothing like Tyson. Once Vitali tastes that power of Iron Mike, this fight'll look A LOT like Mike vs. Golota did. Vitali would quit if not knocked out in a couple rounds.

And he'd get scared. Believe me, seeing Tyson coming at you across the ring will make you at least a little scared. Then, once Vitali tastes that power, he'll realize "Oh ****, this IS Mike Tyson." Then whatcha gonna do?
You really believe that too, don't you? This is such a shame.

If Vitali could take Sanders and Lewis's best he would have no problem with Tyson. Tyson hits hard but nothing like Sanders or Lewis. In fact, Sanders was quicker and taller than Tyson. What would Tyson bring to a fight against Vitali that Sanders didn't? Nothing.

If Vitali could take Sanders and Lewis's best he would have no problem with Tyson. Tyson hits hard but nothing like Sanders or Lewis. In fact, Sanders was quicker and taller than Tyson. What would Tyson bring to a fight against Vitali that Sanders didn't? Nothing.

sry dude but not way sanders hit harder than tyson. just look at his body only fat. i thin vitali probably beat tyson but if he run into one of tyson´s best punch he will go down.

The best heavyweight of the 90's/2000's was without a doubt - LENNOX LEWIS.

Yeah, Holyfield was a great fighter, and so was Tyson... But neither of them dominated the division the way Lennox did and for that lengh of time either.

Lennox Lewis had an easy era?... What about Tyson?... LOL!...

Holyfield was great, and had a lot of heart but he got beat a load of times...

Maybe Lennox Lewis wasn't the most entertaining fighter of the three, (And I only think that is because he's not American... American's like to see Americans and that's it... Personally I think he was VERY entertaining to watch, he was a student of the sweet science), But I think that "skill wise" Lennox Lewis wins hands down over Holyfield/Tyson.

Hurlex - I'm not sure what Lewis/Tyson/Holyfield fights you've been watching to come up with that analysis? :confused: :eek:


and you are only sayin this cuz ur from england or whereever.

sry dude but not way sanders hit harder than tyson. just look at his body only fat. i thin vitali probably beat tyson but if he run into one of tyson´s best punch he will go down.

exactley and there is no way a trained Tyson wont land some shots. And Tyson would be a better opponent than Sanders, Tyson has the biggest punch in the division and has since George forman retired. only reason he couldnt get lennox cuz he didnt really land any effective shots. Lennox was so lucky to get the outta contrl Tyson who thinks he dont gotta train. I think Todays Tyson woulda been a better opponent than that Tyson.

exactley and there is no way a trained Tyson wont land some shots. And Tyson would be a better opponent than Sanders, Tyson has the biggest punch in the division and has since George forman retired. only reason he couldnt get lennox cuz he didnt really land any effective shots. Lennox was so lucky to get the outta contrl Tyson who thinks he dont gotta train. I think Todays Tyson woulda been a better opponent than that Tyson.


thats his excuse for danny williams too?

'Slow and robotic' ????

I think you are having a problem differentiating between negative themes and smart fighting.

Vitali has a PhD. He is one smart guy. He knows what is necessary in defense and can cater his style to his opponent. In the sanders fight he took a couple of big shots, but at no time did it look like he was going down.

Tyson would have no chance against vitali. If you want to see what will happen watch Tyson Lewis. Tyson will be kept at range and dominated far away from his effective zone.

Just because he isnt a mentally imbalanced bralwer does not mean that vitali's style is not the most effective style out there in the heavyweight division today.
vitali has a ukraine phd equivalent to 2 years community college in the united states ,look it up...

vitali has a ukraine phd equivalent to 2 years community college in the united states ,look it up...


LOL :thinking:

I just watched Williams/Klitchko again today too (along with the other 3 fights that were on the card).

Williams was just outsmarted and outlanded from the first bell, and I honestly don't think anyone else in the division will fare any better against the big guy. If we had a Corrie Sanders that was 5 years younger, and actually in shape, I think he'd be heavyweight champ until he got bored with it, but I just don't see anyone else with the speed, sneaky manners, and power that he had. It's a ****ing shame, really. Sanders had everything he needed to be an unbeatable champ, except dedication and work ethic. And even at his age, if he'd been in any kind of condition at all when he fought Klitchko, I think he'd have had an excellant shot at winning.