Sorry about the Volume at the start, it does fix itself Sorry =(

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Tyson COULD have been a great inside fighter if he choose to fight for the long haul and wear his opponents down. As is he was a great mid range fighter in the early rounds only. Once an opponent figure him out, whether they could win or not, they knew how to survive. As talented as he was, Tyson never had a plan B.

Tyson COULD have been a great inside fighter if he choose to fight for the long haul and wear his opponents down. As is he was a great mid range fighter in the early rounds only. Once an opponent figure him out, whether they could win or not, they knew how to survive. As talented as he was, Tyson never had a plan B.

The Way to Survive against Mike is to Move away, once he lunges in, Just hold on, cos he wont try to shack you off.

Holyfield destroyed Tyson by using the inside game against him.
For a shorter man , in a tall mans world, its strange he was never able to master some kind of inside plan.

The Way to Survive against Mike is to Move away, once he lunges in, Just hold on, cos he wont try to shack you off.

Holyfield destroyed Tyson by using the inside game against him.
For a shorter man , in a tall mans world, its strange he was never able to master some kind of inside plan.

This is my biggest knock against him all time. If an opponent didn't do what he wanted them to do, he had little else. Raw talent and ability made him able to compete. It certainly wasn't his ability to adapt. If he had the ability and mindset to adapt he probably would have been the greatest heavyweight ever.

i suggest you watch Tyson vs Ruddock (2) then come back and say he could not fight inside

Tyson was a great fighter but didn't hav the brains of say; mayweather with adaptability etc.. But then again he didn't need them wat he needed was a great trainer (cus) but unfortunately he didn't when he first lost against Douglas...
Had cus lived I don't believe anyone cud hav beaten him, he wud've stayed prime n focussed for alot longer

It comes down to ur definition of 'inside fighter'.

Tyson obviously wasnt an outside fighter.
He wasnt an inside fighter like Chavez, he was lazy and his opponents clinched to survive.

But many of Tysons KO's came from combinations thrown on the inside.

He was also extremely dangerous moving in.



U could call inside fighters pressure fighters, swarmers, it all depends on ur definition. Tyson was an inside fighter but he could also do much more.

Ofcourse Tyson was a inside fighter.. ( I aint even going to watch your video )

He wasn't a inside fighter like Chavez who wore opponents down, no

Tyson in his prime, use his JAB to set up all his body shots and his combinations

He came at guys, controlled exciting aggression. He wasnt a fighter to wear you down, and take you out in the later rounds but which he did against Jose Ribalta. If it did go the distance it was a clear victory in all fights between 1985 - 1988 ( Prime )

He wasn't an inside fighter.

George Chuvalo:

And Tyson. He’s a tough kid. He walks right in. He’s that kind of a guy. He’s got lots of balls too. I like Tyson. I’d like to meet Tyson and show him a couple of things. I could help Mike.

His problem is he doesn’t know how to fight on the inside. If you take a look at his fight with Buster Mathis, Jr., he exposed that. There’s a chi nk in the armor. He’s too straight up on the inside. If he ever pulled his right leg back, his whole upper body would be at a forty five degree angle. He’s have his head on the other guy’s chest. He’d be safe. The other guy would have no room for any leverage and Mike would have all the leverage. His stance works against him on the inside. He’s easy to push back and he can’t fight when he’s going backwards. But Mike is a helluva an athlete. He’s very quick, got great reflexes and punches like a bazooka. He’s the only guy out there in the heavyweights who can give you goosebumps.

Ah so what if he wasnt?? apart from his downfall, prison sentence and at times ridiculous antics and upsets look what he Achieved..

1) Youngest HeavyWeight Champion Ever...

2) Olympic Record Win by 8 Seconds KO

3) Only Man to ever Beat Michael Spinks

4) Took All the HeavyWeight Titles at a young age

5) after all the **** hes been through hes still a survivor and kept his head up fair enough he lost to fighters such as holyfield,lewis and douglas but so what thats life get over it...

Now you see someone Win the HW Championship at 20 years old and knockout someone in 8 seconds then we can talk....apart from that F*ck off

Mayweathers only best achievement was when he beat hatton...apart from that hes fake never been truly tested or knocked down......

It's really quite simple, Tyson doesn't fight on the inside so he is not an inside fighter. Neither were any other of Cus D'Amato's fighters. His teachings were based on the "peek-a-boo" stance, bobbing & weaving, moving in and out along with the use of combinations. He didn't train his fighters to fight like Henry Armstrong or Joe Frazier who got on their opponent's chest and stayed there.

Floyd Patterson and Jose Torres did the exact same thing as Tyson.

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He wasn't an inside fighter.

George Chuvalo:

And Tyson. He’s a tough kid. He walks right in. He’s that kind of a guy. He’s got lots of balls too. I like Tyson. I’d like to meet Tyson and show him a couple of things. I could help Mike.

His problem is he doesn’t know how to fight on the inside. If you take a look at his fight with Buster Mathis, Jr., he exposed that. There’s a chi nk in the armor. He’s too straight up on the inside. If he ever pulled his right leg back, his whole upper body would be at a forty five degree angle. He’s have his head on the other guy’s chest. He’d be safe. The other guy would have no room for any leverage and Mike would have all the leverage. His stance works against him on the inside. He’s easy to push back and he can’t fight when he’s going backwards. But Mike is a helluva an athlete. He’s very quick, got great reflexes and punches like a bazooka. He’s the only guy out there in the heavyweights who can give you goosebumps.

The Buster Mathis fight didnt prove anything. He was coming back after prison, he had totally lost the skills that made him a great fighter by then. He wasnt bobbing and weaving or throwing combinations.

At his best he fought well on the inside when his opponents werent tying him up and he wasnt being lazy.

He was not an inside fighter. Tyson just gave the illusion he was because he was good from mid range and he had devastating power which left people with that impression because he would brutalize people.

He was really dangerous from mid range but he was never an inside fighter imo, Mike Tyson himself had said he did not like fighting inside.

The Buster Mathis fight didnt prove anything. He was coming back after prison, he had totally lost the skills that made him a great fighter by then. He wasnt bobbing and weaving or throwing combinations.

At his best he fought well on the inside when his opponents werent tying him up and he wasnt being lazy.

Which wasn't often.

I think the Mathis fight does prove something. Tyson was hardly a technician on the inside and he was actually backed up by Mathis. Even when Joe Frazier was absolutely shot against Jumbo Cummings, he never forgot about fighting on the inside. That's what he did. Tyson rarely did, in his prime or otherwise.

Just to Clear Things Up, THis isnt a Tyson Hate Video.
THis is just to Show Those who have a beleaf that he was a Great infighter that there wrong.


Thank you Great A, You seem to know the Point im trying to Make.


Tyson was a Mid-range fighter who done Most his Damage While Moving in, But done very little once in.


Now thats not to say he didnt have his moments on the inside, Ofcourse he did. But not NEARLY enough to justify Him as an Infighter.

Which wasn't often.

I think the Mathis fight does prove something. Tyson was hardly a technician on the inside and he was actually backed up by Mathis. Even when Joe Frazier was absolutely shot against Jumbo Cummings, he never forgot about fighting on the inside. That's what he did. Tyson rarely did, in his prime or otherwise.

I just think he was terrible after prison. IMO he became just a KO puncher, no real technique at all by that point.

Just to Clear Things Up, THis isnt a Tyson Hate Video.
THis is just to Show Those who have a beleaf that he was a Great infighter that there wrong.


Thank you Great A, You seem to know the Point im trying to Make.


Tyson was a Mid-range fighter who done Most his Damage While Moving in, But done very little once in.


Now thats not to say he didnt have his moments on the inside, Ofcourse he did. But not NEARLY enough to justify Him as an Infighter.

I think he was a little of everything. I personally wouldnt try and pin Tyson down as one thing, but not another. Most of his KO's came when he was going forward and at mid range. True. But he also scored many KO's from the inside, ripping uppercuts and body punches.

He just wasnt a classic infighter.


I dont know if FN4 have a category for mid-range explosive KO puncher? Tyson probably fits more into the infighter category than any other.

mike tyson was a inside fighter,only to opponents that he felt needed good body punishment,tyson if he had a better jaw or the ability to overcome a knockdown and have the desire to get up and continue fighting with the rage and anger of a bull who was about to trounce on a matador at the bull fights, that he always exhibited during his bouts right from the start of the first round, he would of been the greatest fighter of all time:boxing:

Naw he was a mid-range fighter.He didn't do anything when inside because he rested; reason for the clinching and starting the clinch. As much as he did he needed a rest. Throwing power punches more then half the time is very exhausting especially the power punches that you're trying to knock someone out with.

Tyson was essentially a mid-range fighter who preferred fighting at that distance so he could get maximum leverage on his punches. If you watch his fights closely even during his prime years Tyson initiated the majority of the clinches on the inside. Why? Because when you clinch the ref steps in and breaks you, which puts Mike back out at his preferred range without him have to work and fight his way out. To me that's just smart tactics on Tyson's part because letting the ref do the job without having to work for it conserves energy especially when you consider Tyson was usually the smaller man in the fight.

Poet

It's no secret he was a mid range fighter. He needed space to throw his combos. His style was also physically demanding so he was likely glad of the rest when his opponents went in for the clinch. Cept for Holy who went in for the clinch and the head clash.

LOL at the Tyson fans getting offended by the thread though. It's not a knock at Tyson saying he wasn't an inside fighter, it's merely pointing out his style. Like saying Lennox Lewis wasn't a swarmer.

Naw he was a mid-range fighter.He didn't do anything when inside because he rested; reason for the clinching and starting the clinch. As much as he did he needed a rest. Throwing power punches more then half the time is very exhausting especially the power punches that you're trying to knock someone out with.


You beat me to it, Vers. :boxing:

Now you see someone Win the HW Championship at 20 years old and knockout someone in 8 seconds then we can talk....apart from that F*ck off

Is there something we can help you with? This is an adult conversation about a fighter and you're coming into it acting like a juvenile twat. Seriously: Were you born an azzhole or have you just worked real hard to get that way?

Poet

He was a mid-range fighter....pretty well known.

He could work on the inside if he wanted but he wasn't an "inside fighter" like say, Frazier.

His body attacks were brutal though and he still had to be inside to throw his famous right-hook to the body, followed up with the right-uppercut...which I hear he got from Duran so it's not like he sucked on the inside...as well as other combinations he would throw. He just wasn't great like Frazier who could keep banging to the body to wear you down through the course of the fight if need be. Tyson picked his shots and moments to unload with full force on key points to the body. Against bigger fighters, going to the body might not be as effective because they are so thick and strong...so you take out the head. I'm not sure how many HW bouts with fighters that weigh over 200+ pounds of mass have ended with body-shots like the lower weight divisions.

You can see him destroy the body early on his career before fighters really started to take advantage of their size both in height and weight over the smaller Tyson and started to clinch him. At this point, Tyson may have ditched just banging to the body with consistency and decided to rest.

He liked to counter actually. You throw, you miss, he hits. Saves energy...very effective because the opponent is left open and vulnerable.


I think Tyson could have learned whatever the teacher wanted him to.

Even with his punches, it was Richie Giachetti that pointed out how he got Mike to throw the straight-right (down the middle) for his match with Razor Ruddock. He had his moments in the first fight but by the second, he was throwing it more consistently.

Tyson liked to loop his punches before that.

Mike Tyson of 1985 - 1988 was a inside fighter, during that time period he was also a bit of a mid range fighter but after 88' he wasnt the same.

I decided to watch your video, you show only small parts of Tyson during those 3 great years when he was with Rooney.

Watch the Mitch Green fight, see if Mike worked inside..
Watch the Jose Ribalta fight, see if Mike worked inside..
Watch the Jesse Ferguson fight, see if Mike worked inside..

Many more examples, like the Ferguson fight or even Steve Zouski

Mike Tyson of 1985 - 1988 was a inside fighter, during that time period he was also a bit of a mid range fighter but after 88' he wasnt the same.

I decided to watch your video, you show only small parts of Tyson during those 3 great years when he was with Rooney.

Watch the Mitch Green fight, see if Mike worked inside..
Watch the Jose Ribalta fight, see if Mike worked inside..
Watch the Jesse Ferguson fight, see if Mike worked inside..

Many more examples, like the Ferguson fight or even Steve Zouski

Something I was thinking about that I mentioned in my previous post....is why did Mike start to change?

Maybe it was just simple adaption.

Going to the body later on against guys that can take it, might not have been as effective as just sticking to mid-range. On the inside, those taller, heavier, strong guys may be able to take it better because they are thicker...as well as them being able to clinch you up...so why not take advantage of it and rest instead of trying to wrestle out and waist more energy. Head-shots would probably be more effective against such HWs than going to the body.
It's not like Tyson was going up agaisnt low 200 pound or under type fighters.

More KO's by body-shots in lower weight divisions than the 200+ pounders.


Pick your shots...have meaning to them...and have a plan.

Just to throw my two penneth in as has been stated Tyson was a mid range fighter, a fight that hasn't been mentioned is the Bonecrusher fight. Bonecrusher, a fairly limited fighter, tied Tyson up continuously. Had he have tried that against Frazier he would have probably needed an internal organ transplant.
It has been mentioned that Tyson beat people to the jab then moved in, this is true, but this was against fighters who were intimidated before they started. Simple physics tells you that a fighter shouldn't give away ten inches in reach and consistantly beat the other guy to the jab.
Unfortunately it was all a bit too easy early days for Tyson and he never developed the inside skills he needed to, given his frame.
When Douglas controlled the centre of the ring and used his jab effectively Tyson was in trouble, ok Tyson wasn't in great condition but even if he was he was always going to struggle against a fighter with the attributes to use that game plan.
This is not a criticism of Tyson just an acknowledgement of his physique, the fact he had the success he had is a testament to him.
Had he have developed his inside game he would have had more success, if you look at Frazier he always gained momentum the longer a fight went on. This is because he got on the other fighters chest and inflicted fearful body shots on the inside which slowed down the other fighter in the later rounds.
Like I said not a criticism of Tyson just simple A-Z boxing really.

Something I was thinking about that I mentioned in my previous post....is why did Mike start to change?

Maybe it was just simple adaption.

Going to the body later on against guys that can take it, might not have been as effective as just sticking to mid-range. On the inside, those taller, heavier, strong guys may be able to take it better because they are thicker...as well as them being able to clinch you up...so why not take advantage of it and rest instead of trying to wrestle out and waist more energy. Head-shots would probably be more effective against such HWs than going to the body.
It's not like Tyson was going up agaisnt low 200 pound or under type fighters.

More KO's by body-shots in lower weight divisions than the 200+ pounders.


Pick your shots...have meaning to them...and have a plan.

Well sir, theres something called body and head.. you got to mix it up

Body punches break fighters down, no matter what division

Well sir, theres something called body and head.. you got to mix it up

Body punches break fighters down, no matter what division


Not what I'm saying. I never said Tyson totally abandoned the body attack because he didn't.

Instead of just continually attacking the body with volume shots, you make sure every punch counts by using pin-point accuracy and trying to hit the open target.

For example: body punchers can continue to attack his opponent even if the opponent covers up that area. While someone like Tyson can make an opening by going to the head which can raise those hands, then attack the body when it is left open...then the opponents hands drop to protect the body, then Tyson goes back up stairs to the open area.

If he needs to make an opening by forcing the opening, he can punch closer to the kidney area or just behind the elbow of the opponent when he is covering his body.
You can see Tyson always looking carefull to the exposed area instead of just slamming away non-stop.
Every punch will be with full force or have an intention.

In a way, he may have had to because of his size compared to the opponents.

And yes, he did go to the body...he had to. He needed to wear down the opponent who was bigger than him just in case he couldn't score the early KO. At least by the mid-late point if the opponent is still there, they wouldn't be the same.


Quick example: Tyson goes to the body and head but each one has meaning. He is always looking...always planning...and just not throwing for the sake of breaking down his opponent with volume.

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Just to throw my two penneth in as has been stated Tyson was a mid range fighter, a fight that hasn't been mentioned is the Bonecrusher fight. Bonecrusher, a fairly limited fighter, tied Tyson up continuously. Had he have tried that against Frazier he would have probably needed an internal organ transplant.
It has been mentioned that Tyson beat people to the jab then moved in, this is true, but this was against fighters who were intimidated before they started. Simple physics tells you that a fighter shouldn't give away ten inches in reach and consistantly beat the other guy to the jab.
Unfortunately it was all a bit too easy early days for Tyson and he never developed the inside skills he needed to, given his frame.
When Douglas controlled the centre of the ring and used his jab effectively Tyson was in trouble, ok Tyson wasn't in great condition but even if he was he was always going to struggle against a fighter with the attributes to use that game plan.
This is not a criticism of Tyson just an acknowledgement of his physique, the fact he had the success he had is a testament to him.
Had he have developed his inside game he would have had more success, if you look at Frazier he always gained momentum the longer a fight went on. This is because he got on the other fighters chest and inflicted fearful body shots on the inside which slowed down the other fighter in the later rounds.
Like I said not a criticism of Tyson just simple A-Z boxing really.


Jabbing: Tyson said it still about Timing. I think even Floyd Jr. said that at one point.

Tucker, 6'5, and a 80+ inch reach, still had a healthy left hand to jab yet Tyson was landing his jabs on him.

So take this for example: Tucker could throw that long jab to Tyson's head...but Tyson, with his speed and agility, would make him miss by going to the left with his head and slightly with his body, and springing forward with his own jab. Or just throw it before Tucker could get his off. Tyson had speed overall...something that started to slightly decline without the proper training...as well as his timing.

For Douglas: Being in shape for someone like Tyson is everything. Out of shape and your legs have no spring to them as well as no endurance overall. That's how Tyson got in close so fast...his leg speed...as well as him bobbing-weaving to avoid punches.
By that point, you can see Tyson's timing was off as well which is another factor he lost.
Other guys like Frazier and Marciano didn't have the leg speed like Tyson did so they would be at a disadvantage for certain opponents, like a Tall fighter with a long jab.


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Tyson was a great inside fighter when he wanted to be but I think he would rather work from mid range most of the time. Tyson allowed a lot of clinching as soon as he came to the inside I feel for a reason. Its tough throwing bombs all the time so a fighter needs to either pace him self or run out of gas early. I think thats why he allowed the clinching so he could get a little rest. Imagine if he threw big punches from mid range then threw even more big punches when he got on the inside. He'd be tired by the third round.

Tyson himself admitted he liked to fight on the outside. Much of the clinching on the inside was done by him because he didn't like it there. D'Amato trained fighters to fight on the outside even when they lacked height.

Jabbing: Tyson said it still about Timing. I think even Floyd Jr. said that at one point.



Wouldn't argue with that Jabs, but two guys with good jabs one's got a 70inch reach one's got an 80 inch reach whose your money on?

Tucker to be honest IMO opinion didn't fight a great fight against Tyson he never really tried to dominate with his jab.

Yes Tyson in that era had great head movement and speed but an old Holmes made him look ordinary for 3 rounds simply by holding his hand out throwing the odd jab and tying him up when Tyson's momentum took him inside. Now this was a Holmes moving backwards, zero lateral movement, shot reflexes who didn't get his jab working, imagine a prime Holmes holding the centre of the ring pumping that jab? OK not many have as good a jab as Holmes but if you could make Tyson "pay" on the way in and then tie him up when he gets on your chest he has to have problems.
Few rounds of that and he gets discouraged......you're in the game.
My problem was no one really did this until Douglas so we'll never know how a prime Tyson could have handled it.
Again I liked Tyson and he is a top 10 ATG but he limited himself to mid range, he didn't have the tools to fight long range against a committed bigger fighter so why didn't his team develop his inside fighting so he had a plan B?

Wouldn't argue with that Jabs, but two guys with good jabs one's got a 70inch reach one's got an 80 inch reach whose your money on?

Benny, my apologies, I am at the age when getting any names right is a bonus :)

Wouldn't argue with that Jabs, but two guys with good jabs one's got a 70inch reach one's got an 80 inch reach whose your money on?

Tucker to be honest IMO opinion didn't fight a great fight against Tyson he never really tried to dominate with his jab.

Yes Tyson in that era had great head movement and speed but an old Holmes made him look ordinary for 3 rounds simply by holding his hand out throwing the odd jab and tying him up when Tyson's momentum took him inside. Now this was a Holmes moving backwards, zero lateral movement, shot reflexes who didn't get his jab working, imagine a prime Holmes holding the centre of the ring pumping that jab? OK not many have as good a jab as Holmes but if you could make Tyson "pay" on the way in and then tie him up when he gets on your chest he has to have problems.
Few rounds of that and he gets discouraged......you're in the game.
My problem was no one really did this until Douglas so we'll never know how a prime Tyson could have handled it.
Again I liked Tyson and he is a top 10 ATG but he limited himself to mid range, he didn't have the tools to fight long range against a committed bigger fighter so why didn't his team develop his inside fighting so he had a plan B?


Holmes still had a flaw in his jab according to Cus...Atlas, Rooney, Tyson. A flaw that Tyson had the ability to expose.

Tyson got discouraged when you didn't supply him with the answer...that's why he relied on Cus...Rooney.

Inside fighting against a bigger fighter? How did that inside game help Frazier against Foreman?

these guys are huge and strong. Tyson banged more to the body against guys his size or smaller...and probably for a reason...it was more effective and less taxing. If a guy can hold you off with a jab, how are you going to get inside anyway?
Timing and making him miss.

It's not like Tyson was fighting in an era of HWs...it was more Super HW.



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Holmes still had a flaw in his jab according to Cus...Atlas, Rooney, Tyson. A flaw that Tyson had the ability to expose.


Well that Holmes was a shadow so if the plan would have worked against a prime Holmes I guess we'll never know?


Tyson got discouraged when you didn't supply him with the answer...that's why he relied on Cus...Rooney.

Exactly my point keep tagging him with the jab and see how discouraged he gets. Problem is no one was even really attempting to hold the centre of the ring and jab, wouldn't mind if they tried and Tyson got through. Most fighters he fought kind of got the rabbit in headlights looked and moved back and covered up, no one jabbed moved laterally and clinched him when he got through. Listen Tyson was quick chances are he would have tagged all but the best but there was a lot of fear and bad decision making against him.

Inside fighting against a bigger fighter? How did that inside game help Frazier against Foreman?

It didn't but that is the fate of the smaller fighter unfortunately, a good big un beats a good little un! One thing is certain it was Frazier's only hope he wasn't going to win at long to mid range.

these guys are huge and strong. Tyson banged more to the body against guys his size or smaller...and probably for a reason...it was more effective and less taxing. If a guy can hold you off with a jab, how are you going to get inside anyway?
Timing and making him miss.

That was Tyson's problem, if the guy clinched he went passive and didn't work the body on the inside, really reduced his options in my view. Once he lost the aura of invisibility and the better fighters were using the jab and not freezing he was struggling. I know his skills had eroded a lot but I think he would have had problems anyway.

Do think that if he could fight on the inside he could have beat Holy for one.

Anyhow its only my view
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Well that Holmes was a shadow so if the plan would have worked against a prime Holmes I guess we'll never know?


Exactly my point keep tagging him with the jab and see how discouraged he gets. Problem is no one was even really attempting to hold the centre of the ring and jab, wouldn't mind if they tried and Tyson got through. Most fighters he fought kind of got the rabbit in headlights looked and moved back and covered up, no one jabbed moved laterally and clinched him when he got through. Listen Tyson was quick chances are he would have tagged all but the best but there was a lot of fear and bad decision making against him.

It didn't but that is the fate of the smaller fighter unfortunately, a good big un beats a good little un! One thing is certain it was Frazier's only hope he wasn't going to win at long to mid range.

That was Tyson's problem, if the guy clinched he went passive and didn't work the body on the inside, really reduced his options in my view. Once he lost the aura of invisibility and the better fighters were using the jab and not freezing he was struggling. I know his skills had eroded a lot but I think he would have had problems anyway.

Do think that if he could fight on the inside he could have beat Holy for one.

Anyhow its only my view
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A lot of fighters back off Tyson because Tyson made them miss and he would hit them...then repeat. If you are getting hit without being able to land back...you can get discouraged...especially against someone like Tyson who is fast, powerful, aggressive, can make up room quickly, and hard to hit.

Foreman vs. Frazier....why Tyson would had a better chance: Because Tyson wouldn't think body attack on Foreman....that's death. Tyson's chances is to think of it as a 3 round fight tops. Go out and as soon as the bell rings, land the biggest over-hand right you can on Foreman's chin, then unload fast powerful combos...that really might be his only chance.
Tyson, Frazier, Marciano....aren't favored over someone like Foreman but I would give Tyson the best chance out of the three (which still doesn't say much)...but there is no going the distance with Foreman...it has to be KO.

Tyson vs. Holyfield: As long as it's Tyson at his peak. Cayton was already setting up a fight with Holyfield and if Tyson had stuck around having Rooney as his trainer, I do think the body-attacks would have been back in play, just like they were in play when he fought fighters his size or smaller (when he was training with Rooney). Big guys who have more weight and can take those punches and even wrap him up...not as effective. Holyfield never had a big waist or mid-section and back then, he didn't look like he was at his peak for "lifting/growing"...but even when Tyson met him, he did hurt Holyfield to the body and bad but didn't know how to follow up. A younger Tyson would have seen that and would know how to follow up accordingly...that's training.

Tyson vs. Fergusson: Fergusson was around Holyfield's weight of 210+

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Tyson wasn't a real skilled in-fighter like a Toney or Bowe. He was at his best at mid-range or while coming in, but he wasn't going to be a real classic in-fighter he was there. A fight like Corrales-Castillo 1 showed great in-fighting, subtle positioning, moving your body to get the right angles on the inside, terrific combinations on the inside, etc..

But at said in the video, Tyson could still do some real damage on the inside despite not being the most polished on the inside.

Tysons style was effective from the outside. At least as long as he bobbed and weaved. His head movement was important to his success. Being a shorter heavyweight he would make taller fighter reach and miss and use his hand speed to land a combination(this is refuring to the Rooney era). He could have become a great infighter but he would need the head movement and bobbing/weaving to get inside(ala Joe Frazier) Later in his career the head movement was gone and he walked straight in. His power got him through many of those fights but it alone wasn't enough.

i suggest you watch Tyson vs Ruddock (2) then come back and say he could not fight inside

Nobody is saying he couldn't fight inside, only that it wasn't the most effective part of his offensive repertoire and that he isn't and should be categorized as an inside fighter. He was most effective at mid range, hence making him a mid range fighter.

Ah so what if he wasnt?? apart from his downfall, prison sentence and at times ridiculous antics and upsets look what he Achieved..

1) Youngest HeavyWeight Champion Ever...

2) Olympic Record Win by 8 Seconds KO

3) Only Man to ever Beat Michael Spinks

4) Took All the HeavyWeight Titles at a young age

5) after all the **** hes been through hes still a survivor and kept his head up fair enough he lost to fighters such as holyfield,lewis and douglas but so what thats life get over it...

Now you see someone Win the HW Championship at 20 years old and knockout someone in 8 seconds then we can talk....apart from that F*ck off

Tyson was in the Olympics, huh?

I think people take this as an insult towards Tyson when its not. Its just stating the type of fighter he is, i watched the video and agreed totally with it.
Its not that Tyson didnt have the ability to fight on the inside its that he preferd to fight at mid-range, thats how he was taught and thats where he was most effective.