i dont think some of the federations should have them
they endup being mismatches.
i mean it bothers me that some times the skill
level between #1 and #2 are soo big in
ceritain federations. i think some shouldn't have the
right to force their champs to fight anybody if
the mis-match is soo great between the two fighters
what do you guys think?

Mandatory defences would be cool by me if the ranking system had any credibility to it whatsoever. I like James Toney but how did he become #1 contender by beating Rydell Booker, and how did Rahman become WBC #1 contender by beating Kali Meehan.

Mandatory defences would be cool by me if the ranking system had any credibility to it whatsoever. I like James Toney but how did he become #1 contender by beating Rydell Booker, and how did Rahman become WBC #1 contender by beating Kali Meehan.
yeah i agree until their rank system becomes credible
they should analyze the possible match and decide.

There has to mandatories... Otherwise the corruption in boxing would just go up and UP!... LOL!

You could hold a division to ransom, and pick and choose the easiest fighters to defend your belt against.

Also, if you were a really good fighter but didn't sell many tickets, you'd never get a shot at the World champion despite beating every other top contender. That's just not fair.

But like McKay said... The ranking systems have already been corrupted. The ranking systems seem to be done by how many tickets you can sell, how much percentage sanctioning fee you're gonna be able to make for the governing body... LOL!...

It's such a mess... LOL!...

There has to mandatories... Otherwise the corruption in boxing would just go up and UP!... LOL!

You could hold a division to ransom, and pick and choose the easiest fighters to defend your belt against.

Also, if you were a really good fighter but didn't sell many tickets, you'd never get a shot at the World champion despite beating every other top contender. That's just not fair.

But like McKay said... The ranking systems have already been corrupted. The ranking systems seem to be done by how many tickets you can sell, how much percentage sanctioning fee you're gonna be able to make for the governing body... LOL!...

It's such a mess... LOL!...

yeah but some of the mandatories are
soo mismatched the only thing they are
is like expensive sparring setions.
i mean its good that some fighters
have to fight the second best guy
but when the second best is nothing
compared to the champion is not fair for
the public.

yeah but some of the mandatories are
soo mismatched the only thing they are
is like expensive sparring setions.
i mean its good that some fighters
have to fight the second best guy
but when the second best is nothing
compared to the champion is not fair for
the public.
Yeah I know what you mean... I think this maybe a problem because we have 4 major sanctioning bodies all with their own list of top 20 fighters in each division.

And their list do vary a lot.

The way it used to work in the old day's was, you fight who you want, then you fight the mandatory, then you fight who you want, then you fight the madatory... and so on.

I never understand how someone like Bernard Hopkins for example, can hold 4 belts? Surely that would mean he has to fight 5 or 6 times a year to not get stripped!

:dunno: I dunno mate?

Mandatory challengers have always brought mixed emotions from boxing fans. On one hand, the mandatories are often heavy underdogs going into the fight and don't really stand a chance of winning. On the other hand, it gives a guy a shot at the title (ready or not) and usually brings out the best in both fighters. And when an upset happens, it's generally in spectacular fashion.

I agree with mandatory fights only if it is the #1 contender at the time. That is the one who should fight the champ every time. If you always take on the best and continue winning no one will ever doubt you.

If a fighter doesn't want to deal with mandatory defenses, he can relinquish his belt. I have no problem with federations having mandatories. Hopefully, if the value in the belts takes a beating, the mandatory challengers will be credible opponents...

I think it solely depends on who the champion is, as well as the challenger, as well as the title at stake.

Mandatory defences would be cool by me if the ranking system had any credibility to it whatsoever. I like James Toney but how did he become #1 contender by beating Rydell Booker, and how did Rahman become WBC #1 contender by beating Kali Meehan

Okay, how can you ****ing complain about Toney and Rahman being #1 contenders? At least it is conceiveable that these guys can beat their opponents. Yeah, how they, especially Toney, got ranked to #1 is questionable, but at least they're both decent fighters with exposure.

It is when they have ****ing Cosme Rivera and...well let's just look at some current #1 contenders:

Lance Whitaker - WBO heavy
Medhi Sahnoune - WBA light heavy
Rudy Markussen - WBO super middle
Roshii Wells - WBA jr. middle
Souleyma M'baye - WBA 140

Etc, etc.

Does anybody really care to see ANY of those guys against those champs?
Lamon Brewster vs. Whitaker...dream match...yeah, for Kushner maybe.
Tiozzo vs Medhi Sahnoune...umm............
Calzaghe vs. Rudy ****head
Roshii wells vs. Simms
M'baye vs. Harris...again...**** no.

Hatton and Mayweather are both under M'Baye even though M'Baye already lost to Harris. You could claim well maybe M'Baye has had wins since then. So ****ing what? Hatton and Mayweather are both undefeated. And I think both have had better quality of opposition than ****ing M'Baye.

So yeah, I'm agreeing with others. We need mandatory challengers, but good challengers, not these guys currently being ranked. And there needs to be ONE champion per division. Which is a big reason why we need a boxing league rather than sanctioning bodies and promoters.

A fighter cannot, I repeat, cannot get a title fight without a promoter. It is impossible. He can push a mandatory title shot, sure, but he still has to sign a contract, at least one time, with a promoter to get a title shot. Because if the mandatory process is set forth, it goes to purse bids, where only promoters bid to promote the matches. And, that is just bull****. A fighter also can't win a title, or hell even be ranked without paying bull**** sanctioning fees.

Oh and promoters will throw in all sorts of bs hidden fees. There's a 6 part article by Pedro Fernandez at Ring Talk which shows documents where Arum's company totally ****ed over Yori Boy Campus. They held back $30 k for IRS taxes, which they never paid, 10 k for a ****ing drug test. Maximum it costs for a drug test is $400 or so. And that's if you get the results expediated and overnighted.

I don't agree with most manditory fights but sometimes it gives a guy who does deserve one a shot at a title. Look at a guy like Juan Lazcano he was deserving of at least a title shot but never got one until he fought Castillo for the vacant title. The man fought about 3 or 4 title eliminators. Antonio Tarver had to become the manditory across the board before he got his shot. It helps in some cases but most of the time the manditory fighter is bull****.

Are people trying to say that this guy did not deserve a title shot?

http://www.netboxe.com/annee03/mois03/images/phil04.jpg

Could anyone have really seen this coming?

http://www.insideboxing.com/Columnist/frank_gonzalez/photos/hopkins_hakkar.jpg

http://images.supersport.co.za/HopkinBernardbelts290901Abg.jpg

Hakkar didn't deserve to be in the same gym as Hopkins so he definitely didn't deserve to be in the same ring. That was probably the most pathetic fight I have ever seen.

Are people trying to say that this guy did not deserve a title shot?

http://www.netboxe.com/annee03/mois03/images/phil04.jpg

Could anyone have really seen this coming?

http://www.insideboxing.com/Columnist/frank_gonzalez/photos/hopkins_hakkar.jpg

http://images.supersport.co.za/HopkinBernardbelts290901Abg.jpg

thats what i mean
im all for the champion fihgtting the #2
but i dont like when the #2 is some sucky
ass guy. it only ends up in expensive payperviews that
are not even fun (any one has any examples) :rolleyes:
i mean come on some of this #2 are not even credible fighters

There should be Mandatory title defenses however the rankings should be a lot better how the hell is Fana ranked #1 by the WBC... and its messed up like that all across the board.