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Stoppage
11-19-2009, 02:24 PM
WORLD CHAMPIONS ON NOVEMBER 19, 1959

Total champions: 10

Heavyweight: Ingemar Johansson (World)

Light heavyweight: Archie Moore (World)

Middleweight: Sugar Ray Robinson (World)

Welterweight: Don Jordan (World)

Light welterweight: Carlos Ortiz (World)

Lightweight: Joe Brown (World)

Super featherweight: Harold Gomes (World)

Featherweight: Davey Moore (World)

Bantamweight: Jose Becerra (World)

Flyweight: Pascual Pérez (World)

WORLD CHAMPIONS ON NOVEMBER 19, 2009

Total champions: 85

Heavyweight: David Haye (WBA), Vitali Klitschko (WBC), Wladimir Klitschko (WBO, IBF, The Ring)

Cruiserweight: Guillermo Jones (WBA), Giacobbe Fragomeni (WBC), Marco Huck (WBO), Ola Afolabi (interim WBO), Tomasz Adamek (The Ring)

Light heavyweight: Gabriel Campillo (WBA), Jean Pascal (WBC), Chad Dawson (interim WBC), Tavoris Cloud (IBF), Juergen Braehmer (WBO)

Super middleweight: Mikkel Kessler (WBA), Carl Froch (WBC), Lucian Bute (IBF), Robert Stieglitz (WBO)

Middleweight: Felix Sturm (WBA), Kelly Pavlik (WBC, WBO, The Ring), Sebastian Zbik (interim WBC), Sebastian Sylvester (IBF)

Light middleweight: Yuri Foreman (WBA), Nobuhiro Ishida (interim WBA), Sergio Gabriel Martínez (WBC), Cory Spinks (IBF), Sergiy Dzinziruk (WBO), Alfredo Angulo (interim WBO)

Welterweight: Shane Mosley (Super WBA), Vyacheslav Senchenko (WBA), Andre Berto (WBC), Isaac Hlatshwayo (IBF), Manny Pacquiao (WBO)

Light welterweight: Amir Khan (WBA), Marcos Maidana (interim WBA), Devon Alexander (WBC), Juan Urango (IBF), Timothy Bradley (WBO), Lamont Peterson (interim WBO), Manny Pacquiao (The Ring)

Lightweight: Juan Manuel Marquez (Super WBA, WBO, The Ring), Paulus Moses (WBA), Miguel Acosta (interim WBA), Edwin Valero (WBC), Antonio DeMarco (interim WBC), Michael Katsidis (interim WBO)

Super featherweight: Juan Carlos Salgado (WBA), Humberto Soto (WBC), Humberto Mauro Gutiérrez (interim WBC), Robert Guerrero (IBF), Román Martínez (WBO)

Featherweight: Chris John (Super WBA), Yuriorkis Gamboa (WBA), Elio Rojas (WBC), Cristóbal Cruz (IBF), Steven Luevano (WBO)

Super bantamweight: Celestino Caballero (Super WBA, IBF), Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym (WBA), Toshiaki Nishioka (WBC), Juan Manuel López (WBO)

Bantamweight: Anselmo Moreno (WBA), Nehomar Cermeño (interim WBA), Hozumi Hasegawa (WBC), Yonnhy Pérez (IBF), Fernando Montiel (WBO)

Super flyweight: Vic Darchinyan (Super WBA, WBC), Nobuo Nashiro (WBA), Nonito Donaire (interim WBA), Tomás Rojas (interim WBC), Simphiwe Nongqayi (IBF), Marvin Sonsona (WBO)

Flyweight: Denkaosan Kaovichit (WBA), Luis Concepción (interim WBA), Daisuke Naito (WBC), Pongsaklek Wonjongkam (interim WBC), Omar Andrés Narváez (WBO)

Light flyweight: Giovanni Segura (WBA), Juan Carlos Reveco (interim WBA), Édgar Sosa (WBC), Brian Viloria (IBF), Iván Calderón (WBO, The Ring)

Minimumweight: Román González (WBA), Oleydong Sithsamerchai (WBC), Juan Palacios (interim WBC), Raúl García (IBF), Donnie Nietes (WBO)

Yaman
11-19-2009, 02:30 PM
Good job there. There's nothing much to say really, that says it all.

DeepSleep
11-19-2009, 03:12 PM
Sigh... That really highlights what is wrong with boxing today.

TheGreatA
11-19-2009, 03:36 PM
We have a record-breaking amount of world champions if nothing else.

mickey malone
11-19-2009, 04:40 PM
And it all began during the mid 1700's on the cobbles, & then in the fields of rural England.. Another sport we invented, dominated, and then lost the edge as it gradually became more of international interest..
Cricket?...Well, that's a different story lol

mayquiao
11-20-2009, 01:01 AM
10-85!!!
there should only be 1 champion in every weight division. :boxing:

Sugarj
11-20-2009, 04:32 PM
The **** hit the fan in the mid sixties, when the WBC and WBA became separate allowing two world champs for each division, then in the early 80s the IBF got some recognition.

Then Hell, WBO, WBF, IBO, WBU...............crazy, ruins the sport!

GJC
11-20-2009, 05:45 PM
Someone made this point on a related thread which is worth repeating.
The only thing that can be said on a positive note re the multiple sanctioning bodies is that there shouldn't be any fighters that do not get a shot at a title because they are high risk low reward opponents. Everyone should at least get a shot at one title and if they win then be in a stronger position to challenge other champions.
But apart from that possible small gain we have lost so much and totally devalued the titles. If they haven't screwed it up enough we now have super and interim champions

Kiid Dynamite
11-22-2009, 10:25 AM
This is a great thread

Southpaw Stinger
11-22-2009, 10:29 AM
Someone made this point on a related thread which is worth repeating.
The only thing that can be said on a positive note re the multiple sanctioning bodies is that there shouldn't be any fighters that do not get a shot at a title because they are high risk low reward opponents. Everyone should at least get a shot at one title and if they win then be in a stronger position to challenge other champions.

Which also means that there are plenty of fighters getting shots at 'titles' that have no business getting shots.

GJC
11-22-2009, 10:41 AM
Which also means that there are plenty of fighters getting shots at 'titles' that have no business getting shots.
Absolutely, I think it is not impossible with good timing, clever fight selection and going for the right version of a title to become a 3 or 4 weight champion without being much more than a competant fighter.
Really devalues the achievements of Armstrong, Ross, Canzoneri etc

RightCross94
11-22-2009, 09:59 PM
Winning the world title used to be the pinnacle, the finest hour of a fighter's career and his peak of fame, ability etc

But now in today's climate, you can capture a world title and you can still be considered a work in progress, or still be completely obscure, or not be that good at all

A world title fight used to mean so much and be so special, even if they weren't household names, you knew they were damn good because after all they're in a world title fight, that significance has just been completely destroyed.

JAB5239
11-23-2009, 05:18 AM
Winning the world title used to be the pinnacle, the finest hour of a fighter's career and his peak of fame, ability etc

But now in today's climate, you can capture a world title and you can still be considered a work in progress, or still be completely obscure, or not be that good at all

A world title fight used to mean so much and be so special, even if they weren't household names, you knew they were damn good because after all they're in a world title fight, that significance has just been completely destroyed.

see Amir Khan, Andre Berto or to go even deeper......former title holder Gavin Rees.

RightCross94
11-23-2009, 05:35 AM
see Amir Khan, Andre Berto or to go even deeper......former title holder Gavin Rees.

Exactly exactly. These 2 guys fit in with what I'm saying perfectly. Like, Khan and Berto both got belts now, so they should ditch the bubblewrap and fight anyone, that's the way you can give validity to your reign as an alphabet champ, call out and fight all the good fighters.

But instead they are still matchmaking carefully, (although I think Berto is past that now since he's fighting Mosley, but it's been a while)

Khan though, he's still ages away (perhaps forever) from getting matched with a dangerous puncher. If he wants to pick and choose, shut your mouth, don't say how good you are, and don't call yourself a real champion.