It seems that back in the 40's and 50's there were fighters everywhere. Kids grew up with there dads showing them a thing or two about the manly art. Highschools instructed about the proper ways of self defense and well, kids were tougher back then. What is it, in todays society that makes parents believe that teaching a young kid or young man to defend himself is so wrong. Today, instead of any thing physical, it seems that kids are pampered and given television video games to pass there time. There are tough kids out there, many I am sure. But nothing close to the yester-years. The people running in the gangs are tough, I am sure, but there is no honor in that life unless your goals are to be a street thug. So where is the honorable young man with the tougness, with the grit and heart of a champion. Being raised on computers, video games, fast food and pampering, todays youth are just simply no longer tough. Where have all of the tough guys gone.............Rockin' :boxing:

There are some brutally tough kids out there!... They just ain't American anymore!

What is it, in todays society that makes parents believe that teaching a young kid or young man to defend himself is so wrong.

It is wrong, in my opinion. It's also simple as to why. They stopped doing that for a reason and that is because most kids are just too damned dumb to be trusted with their own skills once they are taught how to fight.

MAYBE, just maybe, it's true what Bones Adams said, "All boxers are *******s, including me." And we have enough *******s in the world without teaching them all how to fight.

Just my two cents. I wish the people that do fight were tougher sometimes but sometimes I am also impressed with their toughness.

They just ain't American anymore!

They sure ain't British if that's what you are trying to say. Don't come off like a false patriot by insulting other countries. Fact is, we own Britain in boxing.

It seems that back in the 40's and 50's there were fighters everywhere. Kids grew up with there dads showing them a thing or two about the manly art. Highschools instructed about the proper ways of self defense and well, kids were tougher back then. What is it, in todays society that makes parents believe that teaching a young kid or young man to defend himself is so wrong. Today, instead of any thing physical, it seems that kids are pampered and given television video games to pass there time. There are tough kids out there, many I am sure. But nothing close to the yester-years. The people running in the gangs are tough, I am sure, but there is no honor in that life unless your goals are to be a street thug. So where is the honorable young man with the tougness, with the grit and heart of a champion. Being raised on computers, video games, fast food and pampering, todays youth are just simply no longer tough. Where have all of the tough guys gone.............Rockin' :boxing:


.....You have a point and I know where your coming from. I think todays generation of parents are closer to their kids than generations of the past and are more caring and attention oriented. My kids have my wife and I with them practically all day long and they get our undivided attention. With that being said, my 4 but soon to be 5 year old son is an animal. He is big, agressive, strong, and pretty indestructible. At times I think he is overly agressive by todays standards and how he is supposed to behave. He doesn't pick on kids but he won't back down and once someone starts with him they better be prepared to finish. Most of his buddies seem to be influenced more by their moms and they are a bunch of *******. His toughest playmate is the girl across the street in fact. If it wasn't for my insistence on him not taking **** and being allowed to be a boy, my wifes influence would probably have him far less agressive and less dominant. I wouldn't have it any other way. I love that he can back down 6 and 7 year old kids that are scared ****less of him and I hope he grows up to be feared and respected but also well liked. Just like a man is supposed to be.

They sure ain't British if that's what you are trying to say. Don't come off like a false patriot by insulting other countries. Fact is, we own Britain in boxing.
America own Britian in Boxing?... You wanna learn a little about the London Prize ring rules... Or more so, the Marquis of Queensberry Rules?

I wasn't having a dig at American's... I was just saying that there are some Tough TOUGH kids out there, Mexicans/Thai's/Phillipino's/Africas/...?... Just all over that don't sit on there arses playing computer games and eating macdonalds.

America own Britian in Boxing?... You wanna learn a little about the London Prize ring rules... Or more so, the Marquis of Queensberry Rules?


.....Whenever I hear that "Marquis of Queensbury rules" I always think of the John Wayne movie "The Quiet Man". One badass movie if you have never seen it.

You wanna learn a little about the London Prize ring rules

No on cares about the past and fringe versions of boxing that are not recognizeable. I am talking boxing in the ring, modern boxing, that everyone knows about and can relate to. In REAL boxing, that ALL countries participate in, America OWNS Britain. When you say there are no tough ones in America, you sound like a clown. Rephrase it if that's not what you meant.

aying Londonders have a better history in London Prize boxing is like saying Americans are better than Brits at American football.

It doesn't matter, Brits don't even do American football on the scale we do it.

These days, it's hard to get tough without risking getting stabbed or shot.
And I don't see anything wrong with kids that are pampered or modernized. Kid's are better off indoors than in the streets. And I never got this "tough" thing. Better to resolve arguments with words than fists. Sure when push comes to shove, you defend yourself, but what's so great about acting tough? Seriously, what?

aying Londonders have a better history in London Prize boxing is like saying Americans are better than Brits at American football.

It doesn't matter, Brits don't even do American football on the scale we do it.

HUH!?!... No one does American football except Americans?... LOL!...

I really don't wanna sound patronising in saying this :( But do a little research and find out what the Marquis of Queensberry really is, what the governing of the Marquis of Queensberry rules is.

America Doesn't "own" British Boxing... Quite the contrary.

No. but Brits have Regby or whatever you call it and let me tell you this mother****ers are tough also british soccer fans can teach Al Quaeda how to be dangerous. Ever seen any british soccer revolt. Thats the last place where you want to be including Iraq. its like playing russian roulette with Glock.
So dont underestimate these brits. Especially because in two and a half weeks I will travel to England and gonna be fighting these mofos.
But back to the subject. Since 50's the world changed a lot. Mainly the life level increased a lot and if you ever noticed most of the fighters come from poor families and bad neighbourhoods. But life got much better the we dont have as many poor, angry kids with no opportunities but boxing anymore.
These days anybody can go to college and have a career.

Year ago you could fight and settle your problem, simple as that. These days you can't even push someone without getting slammed by the law. Kid get kicked out of school for just getting into a little confrontation. Men getting locked up and all their weapons apprehended just for shoving a neibor over a dispute. Its america becoming communist, thats what it is.

Tough kids in America, like you're saying Rockin, are found in different ways because the world has changed (duh). Divorce is much more common. Many kids are children of single parents, usually mothers. That has a lot to do with it I think. Since the US is less family oriented, neighborhoods are less friendly. Are you friends with your neighbors? I don't even know any of my neighbors' names, except my grandparents' neighbors.

Since there are single parents, kids are at home alone a lot more. So, they stay home and watch TV, play games, etc. Not to mention the fact that video games are better than they used to be, technology is better. I thought I played video games a lot when I was a kid. But really, I played them more since I was like 16-17 when I got my playstation, ps2, etc. Games got memory cards, more memory on the discs themselves, so they got more complicated, took longer to play. Are more life-like.

It is definitely a different world. Bored middle school kids go over to their friends' house whose single mom is at work and know what they do? They ****. Boys **** girls in the ass...that's their version of birth control. **** her in the ass, you don't have to buy condoms and the girl doesn't get pregnant. Scary but true.

Tough kids in America, like you're saying Rockin, are found in different ways because the world has changed (duh). Divorce is much more common. Many kids are children of single parents, usually mothers. That has a lot to do with it I think. Since the US is less family oriented, neighborhoods are less friendly. Are you friends with your neighbors? I don't even know any of my neighbors' names, except my grandparents' neighbors.

Since there are single parents, kids are at home alone a lot more. So, they stay home and watch TV, play games, etc. Not to mention the fact that video games are better than they used to be, technology is better. I thought I played video games a lot when I was a kid. But really, I played them more since I was like 16-17 when I got my playstation, ps2, etc. Games got memory cards, more memory on the discs themselves, so they got more complicated, took longer to play. Are more life-like.

It is definitely a different world. Bored middle school kids go over to their friends' house whose single mom is at work and know what they do? They ****. Boys **** girls in the ass...that's their version of birth control. **** her in the ass, you don't have to buy condoms and the girl doesn't get pregnant. Scary but true.
That sure as hell a lively picture you've got. damn.... where is this world going.......

I was raised by a single mom................Rockin' :boxing:

yeah but you're a diamond in the rough, eh. And you didn't have all the distractions, not saying there weren't any, just not AS many. Like me, I didn't have the Internet growing up. Now kids do, which is another huge distraction.

Being a kid growing up now, I can tell you why so many kids aren't tough anymore. All kids got these things now called "Guns and Knives" The kids don't need fists when they got shanks and glocks. You can find alot of tough kids who just use their hands, but it's pretty rare.

HUH!?!... No one does American football except Americans?... LOL!...

I really don't wanna sound patronising in saying this :( But do a little research and find out what the Marquis of Queensberry really is, what the governing of the Marquis of Queensberry rules is.

America Doesn't "own" British Boxing... Quite the contrary.
Quite The contrary?!

Danny Williams....Period.

It seems that back in the 40's and 50's there were fighters everywhere. Kids grew up with there dads showing them a thing or two about the manly art. Highschools instructed about the proper ways of self defense and well, kids were tougher back then. What is it, in todays society that makes parents believe that teaching a young kid or young man to defend himself is so wrong. Today, instead of any thing physical, it seems that kids are pampered and given television video games to pass there time. There are tough kids out there, many I am sure. But nothing close to the yester-years. The people running in the gangs are tough, I am sure, but there is no honor in that life unless your goals are to be a street thug. So where is the honorable young man with the tougness, with the grit and heart of a champion. Being raised on computers, video games, fast food and pampering, todays youth are just simply no longer tough. Where have all of the tough guys gone.............Rockin' :boxing:


go to russia or former soviet union or chicago hyde park -- you'll find a bunch of tough guys

I see lots of kids and young men all of the time going into Detroit at the different gyms. I guess the question would be, to be more specific, where are the tough guys that can handle some tough training to challenge them. It seems todays youth are so weak minded. Either just plain ******* or running in gangs with guns and ****. Anything that is hard they will stay away from or look for easier avenues to achieve what ever it is they seek. I see the gang life as being the easy way out leading to a life of nowhere and nothing. Americas youth, for the most part is weak..............Rockin' :boxing:

I agree with mOOks. People don't teenagers and up don't street fight anymore, they kill. Even middle school kids are killing each other over scuffles. I remember watching on the news how one kid had it written out how he was going to lure his classmate into the bathroom and kill him. He did end up killing him and if I remember correctly, the last step in his "murder plan" was "Thank god for success."

Most of the people only start fighting when they are cornered.
The same goes to boxing. These days there are hundreds of easier ways to make money than in fifties. People are not cornered anymore. Also you have to be very mentally strong to go through the hell of trainings. And that is rare to find these days mainly because life is so mich better than it used to be.

I see lots of kids and young men all of the time going into Detroit at the different gyms. I guess the question would be, to be more specific, where are the tough guys that can handle some tough training to challenge them. It seems todays youth are so weak minded. Either just plain ******* or running in gangs with guns and ****. Anything that is hard they will stay away from or look for easier avenues to achieve what ever it is they seek. I see the gang life as being the easy way out leading to a life of nowhere and nothing. Americas youth, for the most part is weak..............Rockin' :boxing:

I would agree with that, most "tough guys" now take pride in running with a gang, carrying guns and knives, etc. Basically taking pride in living the life of a coward, taking the easy way out of life by taking other people's things instead of working for them, and keeping themselves surrounded with tons of other cowards like them because they don't even have it in them to properly rob someone lol

no one wants to be tough anymore. In my highschool its all about getting girls there aint nothing wrong with that but even the tough kids are all carin bout how there hair looks. Spending hours just to get that look. For me i just wake up take a shower and get dressed. There are like few tough guys around inculding me. Its real funny when guys act all tough and **** while they are dressing like a homo. **** the metro sexuals they are taking over everything :mad:

Tough kids in America, like you're saying Rockin, are found in different ways because the world has changed (duh). Divorce is much more common. Many kids are children of single parents, usually mothers. That has a lot to do with it I think. Since the US is less family oriented, neighborhoods are less friendly. Are you friends with your neighbors? I don't even know any of my neighbors' names, except my grandparents' neighbors.

Since there are single parents, kids are at home alone a lot more. So, they stay home and watch TV, play games, etc. Not to mention the fact that video games are better than they used to be, technology is better. I thought I played video games a lot when I was a kid. But really, I played them more since I was like 16-17 when I got my playstation, ps2, etc. Games got memory cards, more memory on the discs themselves, so they got more complicated, took longer to play. Are more life-like.

It is definitely a different world. Bored middle school kids go over to their friends' house whose single mom is at work and know what they do? They ****. Boys **** girls in the ass...that's their version of birth control. **** her in the ass, you don't have to buy condoms and the girl doesn't get pregnant. Scary but true.
Man I must have really missed out. I didn't get to **** girls in the ass when i was little. I would have been happy with a blowjob or two. Now you tellin me kids are doing there girlfriends up the butt at 13 or 14. Damn I cant wait for those little hoes to grow up.

There are some brutally tough kids out there!... They just ain't American anymore!
damn straight to the point!!!

It seems that back in the 40's and 50's there were fighters everywhere. Kids grew up with there dads showing them a thing or two about the manly art. Highschools instructed about the proper ways of self defense and well, kids were tougher back then .....
ROCKIN .... blah, blah, blah ..... you're old, face it. It isn't that way any more. And you don't make it any better, do you, by imposing old-guy laments on this young media. Suck it up and move-over, we're "here" and you are "there". You had the good times back in the 80's when the Middle scene was rich with tough guys who set a very high standard for today's fighters. The only division that compares is today's Feathers, who seem to be thow-backs to your time, when guys actually fought. But don't treat us like we're wimps, 'cause we remember the tough guys of the 80's, plus we keep our guns oiled for hunting season only.

Peace, really.

Man I must have really missed out. I didn't get to **** girls in the ass when i was little. I would have been happy with a blowjob or two. Now you tellin me kids are doing there girlfriends up the butt at 13 or 14. Damn I cant wait for those little hoes to grow up.
Somebody's daddy is gonna' beat the living **** outa' you, if you plan to put that **** in action, really. "Hoes" is a word that usally describes the daughters of guys who use that word.

If you plant those seeds, "boxerman", your children will live them.

It seems that back in the 40's and 50's there were fighters everywhere. Kids grew up with there dads showing them a thing or two about the manly art. Highschools instructed about the proper ways of self defense and well, kids were tougher back then. What is it, in todays society that makes parents believe that teaching a young kid or young man to defend himself is so wrong. Today, instead of any thing physical, it seems that kids are pampered and given television video games to pass there time. There are tough kids out there, many I am sure. But nothing close to the yester-years. The people running in the gangs are tough, I am sure, but there is no honor in that life unless your goals are to be a street thug. So where is the honorable young man with the tougness, with the grit and heart of a champion. Being raised on computers, video games, fast food and pampering, todays youth are just simply no longer tough. Where have all of the tough guys gone.............Rockin' :boxing:

right here bro

go to russia or former soviet union or chicago hyde park -- you'll find a bunch of tough guys
NAUT ... look closer to home my friend.

Admit it, now. We latch-on to certain fighters because they fight our fights. You know what I mean. Every fight fan has some connection with a pro fighter (Pac, Tyson, Naz, Roy, Kostya, Tua, anybody) that we can't quite explain. Except that we've all been busted-up in some strange ****ed-up way, somewhere in our past, and now we try to set things straight by proppin' a guy who fights solid and represents.

Tough guys are everywhere, but we usually don't see them because they choose not to fight.

I agree with mOOks. People don't teenagers and up don't street fight anymore, they kill. Even middle school kids are killing each other over scuffles. I remember watching on the news how one kid had it written out how he was going to lure his classmate into the bathroom and kill him. He did end up killing him and if I remember correctly, the last step in his "murder plan" was "Thank god for success."That's because these kids kill on video games, watch killing in movies, listen about killing in music and have seen someone give respect to someone known to be a killer and they want to go out and do it themselves...

ROCKIN .... blah, blah, blah ..... you're old, face it. It isn't that way any more. And you don't make it any better, do you, by imposing old-guy laments on this young media. Suck it up and move-over, we're "here" and you are "there". You had the good times back in the 80's when the Middle scene was rich with tough guys who set a very high standard for today's fighters. The only division that compares is today's Feathers, who seem to be thow-backs to your time, when guys actually fought. But don't treat us like we're wimps, 'cause we remember the tough guys of the 80's, plus we keep our guns oiled for hunting season only.

Peace, really.

blah,blah,blah, your obviously younger and talking out of your ass on that point. Cause I would lay green that I am still young enough to show you exactly what Im talikng about. It seems that you seem very self conscious that I am directing the statements of weak minded youth at you. I have been looking for a fighter to train for the last 4 or 5 years, always having guys come up talking big and showing little. I eventually just drop them because they dont have the strong mentality that you will need. I sucked it up plenty in my time and fought on and fought hard. I was there, most definately. Now why dont you tell me where here is in your professional or amatuer career so that I know that you arent just completely full of ****.

Peace, really..............Rockin' :boxing:

blah,blah,blah, your obviously younger and talking out of your ass on that point. Cause I would lay green that I am still young enough to show you exactly what Im talikng about. It seems that you seem very self conscious that I am directing the statements of weak minded youth at you. I have been looking for a fighter to train for the last 4 or 5 years, always having guys come up talking big and showing little. I eventually just drop them because they dont have the strong mentality that you will need. I sucked it up plenty in my time and fought on and fought hard. I was there, most definately. Now why dont you tell me where here is in your professional or amatuer career so that I know that you arent just completely full of ****.

Peace, really..............Rockin' :boxing:


Rockkkkkkkkk!

Whats up bro
who the **** is this Munn character, maybe just another guy tryin to be hard over the comp

Whoever u are Munn, Rock would knock you senseless, u are just some stupid retard lookin for attention by talkin **** to one of the most respected members of boxingscene

Rockin1 is right, people these days talk **** and can't back it up, boxing is a tough sport...


Rock come to chat bro

damn rockin iam the fight for u then. I really have the heart for this sport. I wanna do this for good reasons. To be proud of myself for the first time, to have honor, and to have fun. I am a loner with heart. The only thing holdin me back are my injuries. to bad i dont live in detriot. Maybe u ll see me around when i start my carrer... Gatting :boxing:

damn rockin iam the fight for u then. I really have the heart for this sport. I wanna do this for good reasons. To be proud of myself for the first time, to have honor, and to have fun. I am a loner with heart. The only thing holdin me back are my injuries. to bad i dont live in detriot. Maybe u ll see me around when i start my carrer... Gatting :boxing:

Hey man,
where u from??

I'm from California, but i'm movin to Detroit next year by myself lol

I wish you all the luck man, but you will need to work hard, real hard to expect any kind of luck. But go get 'em man. Where are you from?..............Rockin' :boxing:

New York iam willing to train really hard. Also thanks for the luck

A few questions for you here Gattz.... First are you in a gym yet. Next how old are you. And if you are not in a gym and would like to find one tell me what city your in and I will find the gym closest to you. Just be carefull about who you put your trust in with this sprot. Because it is no game once that bell rings. Although you can trust me, I wont steer you wrong. I am here to make the sport better for eveyone.................Rockin' :boxing:

A few questions for you here Gattz.... First are you in a gym yet. Next how old are you. And if you are not in a gym and would like to find one tell me what city your in and I will find the gym closest to you. Just be carefull about who you put your trust in with this sprot. Because it is no game once that bell rings. Although you can trust me, I wont steer you wrong. I am here to make the sport better for eveyone.................Rockin' :boxing:


Me Rock and Gattz 187 What a team!


btw u can go to Gleasons in Brooklyn, I hear it's a bit pricy though

Somebody's daddy is gonna' beat the living **** outa' you, if you plan to put that **** in action, really. "Hoes" is a word that usally describes the daughters of guys who use that word.

If you plant those seeds, "boxerman", your children will live them.
I know i know. i was in a comedic mood earlier. I really dont want a girl who has been done up the butt alot. Actually the only cool thing about that is being the first to talk the girl in to it anyway.

I would have to agree with the person who said that American kids arent tough. Im from the US and I see it. How many young white or black kids do you think are coming to the boxing gym where I am at. Well hardly any. Im in Atlanta, so its not like a small city. At the same time little mexican kids are all over the place. It's just the culture that we are starting to live in. We are substituting the barbaric machismo ways for more intellectual pursuits. The only reason so many of the mexican kids are there is because most of their parents are immigrants, and I assume this is what they loved and did in Mexico. Give them time and they will be watching spongebob and soaking up potatoe chips with all the other kids before long. .............OH and according to someones post earlier, doing girls up the butt.

America Doesn't "own" British Boxing... Quite the contrary.

I said America owns Britain in boxing, and we do. Look at the ratio of British to American in the top 10 fighters in every weight class.

We...own...you. There's no two ways about it. So don't disrespect America again by saying we ain't tough. Hell no.

You need to learn how to pay attention also. I said it would be dumb to compare Americans and Brits in American Football because we play it a lot more and have played it for longer and are better at it. In the same way it would be dumb to bring up London rules boxing and Queensbury rules an all this bull**** that people don't even care about anymore.

The international sport of boxing doesn't use those rules anymore.

There is no denying this. And the only reason that America doesn't do better is because boxing isn't very popular here right now.

hmmm...we do import a lot of fighters though. But I think the latinos are the best imports. I'd rather have Barrera or Morales than Scott Harrison. Rather have Judah than Witter. Rather have Mayweather than Hatton. Rather have Lacy than Calzaghe. Rather have Hopkins than Eastman. Jones than DM.

Rather have Lewis than Ruiz though. But **** it, rather have Toney than Lewis.

That's because these kids kill on video games, watch killing in movies, listen about killing in music and have seen someone give respect to someone known to be a killer and they want to go out and do it themselves...

Nah, they were just destined to be murderers...they have demons in 'em.

Its strange because you would think boxing would be extremly popular.

I said America owns Britain in boxing, and we do. Look at the ratio of British to American in the top 10 fighters in every weight class.

We...own...you. There's no two ways about it. So don't disrespect America again by saying we ain't tough. Hell no.

You need to learn how to pay attention also. I said it would be dumb to compare Americans and Brits in American Football because we play it a lot more and have played it for longer and are better at it. In the same way it would be dumb to bring up London rules boxing and Queensbury rules an all this bull**** that people don't even care about anymore.

The international sport of boxing doesn't use those rules anymore.
The International sport of boxing doesn't use the Marquis of Queensberry rules???...

You're on the wrong website mate, This is a boxing website. :confused:

How can you be a boxing fan and not know what the Marquis of Queensberry rules are? - (And then say that international boxing isn't governed by the Marquis of Queensberry rules anymore??? :confused:).

At this point I think I'll give up with you... LOL!...

I would suggest that you do a little research, and find out a bit more about the sport you're into.

iam just turne 15 i have to wait 1 more month to join cause of my leg and i plan to join the middle weight divison. i live in hempstead on the island they got a gym here but it really is packed so i plan to join a other one. thanks for the help rockin i need to now where the gyms are at.

iam just turne 15 i have to wait 1 more month to join cause of my leg and i plan to join the middle weight divison. i live in hempstead on the island they got a gym here but it really is packed so i plan to join a other one. thanks for the help rockin i need to now where the gyms are at.
If you want you can join the Gleason's gym in Downtown Brooklyn.
its on 83 Front street.

sure is a long way from where i live that would take 1 and a half every day just too go

The contest in all other respects to be governed by the revised rules of the London Prize Ring. This is a "Queensbury rule".

Sorry, but hardly any boxing is governed by any London source. It may have some base in these rules, but the official rules of boxing are no longer referred to as Queensbury or London.


How can you be a boxing fan and not know what the Marquis of Queensberry rules are?

Few people have even heard of these rules. Good for you if you have, but I actually do box and have never heard of them. If my credibility is to be ruined by not knowing such a fact, then so is 75% of boxing fans.


I would suggest that you do a little research, and find out a bit more about the sport you're into.

Pehaps you should do some research. You still have no response or any way to back up what you said about Americans having no tough guys. I could more strongly make the case about England, since it does have less fighters in the top in just about every weight class than America. This was my point all along, which you have still been unable or unwiling to acknowledge.

The contest in all other respects to be governed by the revised rules of the London Prize Ring. This is a "Queensbury rule".

Sorry, but hardly any boxing is governed by any London source. It may have some base in these rules, but the official rules of boxing are no longer referred to as Queensbury or London.
Sorry fella, but you gonna need to read up on it further... London Prize ring rules stopped being used in the 1850's.

ALL BOXING IS GOVERNED BY THE MARQUIS OF QUEENSBERRY RULES - THOSE ARE THE RULES OF BOXING!

Few people have even heard of these rules. Good for you if you have, but I actually do box and have never heard of them. If my credibility is to be ruined by not knowing such a fact, then so is 75% of boxing fans.

I don't wanna sound harsh here but it's true, 75% of boxing fans don't know the in's and out's of what boxing really is about (You seem to be falling into that catagory). How can you box and have never been taught the Marquis of Quensberry rules?... SHOCKING! :eek: ... I don't wanna be rude, but it sounds like you're doing back garden boxing?

Pehaps you should do some research. You still have no response or any way to back up what you said about Americans having no tough guys. I could more strongly make the case about England, since it does have less fighters in the top in just about every weight class than America. This was my point all along, which you have still been unable or unwiling to acknowledge

Pepsi Cola, Macdonalds, Pizza, Computer games, etc, etc, It's very niave to not see the corruption behind the boxing scene's (seeing as it's so obvious!). It's prize fighting at the end of the day, professional boxing is not a sport, it's prize fighting. Amateur boxing, Yeah sure that's a sport. But not in the pro ranks.

It's all about money, and where it's coming from... And that all tends to fall on the American TV networks. They're paying for it and the American people don't wanna pay to see a Thai fight a Russian. So it's made up!... P4P the best fighters in the World aren't Americans... They're Mexicans and Thai's And Pueto Rican's, and many other Countries...

It's a business... Not a sport. ;)

Sorry fella, but you gonna need to read up on it further... London Prize ring rules stopped being used in the 1850's.

ALL BOXING IS GOVERNED BY THE MARQUIS OF QUEENSBERRY RULES - THOSE ARE THE RULES OF BOXING!



I don't wanna sound harsh here but it's true, 75% of boxing fans don't know the in's and out's of what boxing really is about (You seem to be falling into that catagory). How can you box and have never been taught the Marquis of Quensberry rules?... SHOCKING! :eek: ... I don't wanna be rude, but it sounds like you're doing back garden boxing?

Pepsi Cola, Macdonalds, Pizza, Computer games, etc, etc, It's very niave to not see the corruption behind the boxing scene's (seeing as it's so obvious!). It's prize fighting at the end of the day, professional boxing is not a sport, it's prize fighting. Amateur boxing, Yeah sure that's a sport. But not in the pro ranks.

It's all about money, and where it's coming from... And that all tends to fall on the American TV networks. They're paying for it and the American people don't wanna pay to see a Thai fight a Russian. So it's made up!... P4P the best fighters in the World aren't Americans... They're Mexicans and Thai's And Pueto Rican's, and many other Countries...

It's a business... Not a sport. ;)

You are weird my friend...

Best fighters in the world are Americans, yes other countries have some good fighters to


but USA will KILL England in boxing

KILL KILL KILL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hearns, Louis, Hagler, Robinson, Leonard, Pryor, Ali, Foreman, Marciano, Taylor, Whitaker, Tyson, Roy Jones Jr., Hopkins, Toney, De La Hoya, etc.

These days, it's hard to get tough without risking getting stabbed or shot.
And I don't see anything wrong with kids that are pampered or modernized. Kid's are better off indoors than in the streets. And I never got this "tough" thing. Better to resolve arguments with words than fists. Sure when push comes to shove, you defend yourself, but what's so great about acting tough? Seriously, what?
guy, hot chicks dig you if you act tough

Sorry fella, but you gonna need to read up on it further... London Prize ring rules stopped being used in the 1850's.

ALL BOXING IS GOVERNED BY THE MARQUIS OF QUEENSBERRY RULES - THOSE ARE THE RULES OF BOXING!

I said no one refers to them anymore. And that's true, 100%. When boxing comes on HBO/Showtime/ESPN, etc. they do not say "Here are the Queensbury Rules of Boxing." They say something like "the rules of the fight are agrred upon by the United Assoc. of Boxing Commissions."

Sorry fella, but you gonna need to read up on it further... London Prize ring rules stopped being used in the 1850's.

Thanks for parroting what I already said. Pay attention.

75% of boxing fans don't know the in's and out's of what boxing really is about (You seem to be falling into that catagory). How can you box and have never been taught the Marquis of Quensberry rules?... SHOCKING! ... I don't wanna be rude, but it sounds like you're doing back garden boxing?

Few people know or care about those rules, brother, in that regard that they are called the "Queensbury Rules". Of course we know the rules, but no one calls them that. It's not really shocking at all. Knowing the ins and out of boxing has nothing to do with knowing that the rules used to be called the "Queensbury Rules". he ins and outs of boxing are knowing how TO box. When you join a boxing cub, they do not say, "Ok, here are the Queensbury Rules of boxing".

This "back-garden boxing" you refer to, if you said that to my face you would have to get your ass in the ring (yes, a real ring) and get your ass whooped and find out for yourself how tough Americans are. You are extemely disrespectful. My uncle is a pro ref, trainer, and former fighter. We know boxing. Knowledge of boxing rules I have, and my credibility is not lessened because I don't know hat they were officially referred to as but no onemakes mention of anymore. Do you ever see any threads on here where people mention the "Queensbury Rules"?

So it's made up!... P4P the best fighters in the World aren't Americans... They're Mexicans and Thai's And Pueto Rican's, and many other Countries...

It's a sport and a business. In any case you have not backed up your assertion that Americans are not tough. p4p the best fighters in the world are Americans and historically have been AMERICANS. Wake up. You are in DENIAL.

Robinson, Roy, Dempsey, Tunney, Johnson, Jones, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Hopkins, Hagler,Hearns, Leonard, Whitaker, Marciano...the list goes on an on...but history is not even my point, my point is that currently we have better fighters than YOUR country so you can go ahead and silence yourself on theissue of who has tough fighters.

I said no one refers to them anymore. And that's true, 100%. When boxing comes on HBO/Showtime/ESPN, etc. they do not say "Here are the Queensbury Rules of Boxing." They say something like "the rules of the fight are agrred upon by the United Assoc. of Boxing Commissions."



Thanks for parroting what I already said. Pay attention.



Few people know or care about those rules, brother, in that regard that they are called the "Queensbury Rules". Of course we know the rules, but no one calls them that. It's not really shocking at all. Knowing the ins and out of boxing has nothing to do with knowing that the rules used to be called the "Queensbury Rules". he ins and outs of boxing are knowing how TO box. When you join a boxing cub, they do not say, "Ok, here are the Queensbury Rules of boxing".

This "back-garden boxing" you refer to, if you said that to my face you would have to get your ass in the ring (yes, a real ring) and get your ass whooped and find out for yourself how tough Americans are. You are extemely disrespectful. My uncle is a pro ref, trainer, and former fighter. We know boxing. Knowledge of boxing rules I have, and my credibility is not lessened because I don't know hat they were officially referred to as but no onemakes mention of anymore. Do you ever see any threads on here where people mention the "Queensbury Rules"?



It's a sport and a business. In any case you have not backed up your assertion that Americans are not tough. p4p the best fighters in the world are Americans and historically have been AMERICANS. Wake up. You are in DENIAL.

Robinson, Roy, Dempsey, Tunney, Johnson, Jones, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Hopkins, Hagler,Hearns, Leonard, Whitaker, Marciano...the list goes on an on...but history is not even my point, my point is that currently we have better fighters than YOUR country so you can go ahead and silence yourself on theissue of who has tough fighters.

I second what u say

so MartinWBC, both of us say this!

The Queensbary rule hahahha, no wonder England dont got good fighters, they prolly only teach them the rules... hahah

I said no one refers to them anymore. And that's true, 100%. When boxing comes on HBO/Showtime/ESPN, etc. they do not say "Here are the Queensbury Rules of Boxing." They say something like "the rules of the fight are agrred upon by the United Assoc. of Boxing Commissions."
Maybe in America?... But nowhere else... :eek:

Few people know or care about those rules, brother, in that regard that they are called the "Queensbury Rules". Of course we know the rules, but no one calls them that. It's not really shocking at all. Knowing the ins and out of boxing has nothing to do with knowing that the rules used to be called the "Queensbury Rules". he ins and outs of boxing are knowing how TO box. When you join a boxing cub, they do not say, "Ok, here are the Queensbury Rules of boxing".

This "back-garden boxing" you refer to, if you said that to my face you would have to get your ass in the ring (yes, a real ring) and get your ass whooped and find out for yourself how tough Americans are. You are extemely disrespectful. My uncle is a pro ref, trainer, and former fighter. We know boxing. Knowledge of boxing rules I have, and my credibility is not lessened because I don't know hat they were officially referred to as but no onemakes mention of anymore. Do you ever see any threads on here where people mention the "Queensbury Rules"?

If you asked ANY professional or amateur fighter, they would KNOW what the Marquis of Queensberry rules is all about... "It's their business".

You would get me in the ring and "whoop my arse???" I fight at lightweight and would imagine you're a middleweight? YOUR NAME ISN'T BERNARD IS IT?... LOL!...

Re-read what I wrote about Boxing being a business and take it in.

Incedently, you do know that the population of America is about 6X the size of the UK? Narrow it down and you'll see the differences.

If you asked ANY professional or amateur fighter, they would KNOW what the Marquis of Queensberry rules is all about... "It's their business".

You would get me in the ring and "whoop my arse???" I fight at lightweight and would imagine you're a middleweight? YOUR NAME ISN'T BERNARD IS IT?... LOL!...

Re-read what I wrote about Boxing being a business and take it in.

Incedently, you do know that the population of America is about 6X the size of the UK? Narrow it down and you'll see the differences.

No, it is not their business to know what a few people call the rules, it is only their business to follow the rules of boxing which they are given before a fight. There are plenty of pro boxers who do not use the term "Queensbury Boxing Rules". When the ref gives the instructions, "Queensbury Rules" are NOT referred to.

Learning how to fight is more important than knowing a term that hardly anyone uses anymore, at least around here. We know the rules, otherwise how could we be OWNING you in boxing? I fight at 140 lbs. Good enough to show you respect.

If Britain was so much more tough than American, then where is the proof? There is none. Eastman is Britain's best middleweight and he looked like a clown vs a 40 yr old snaggle tooth wonder named Bernard Hopkins. Eastman I guess, is a lightweight.


You are the one who asserted there are no tough people in America, which is an insane assertion. You have to prove YOUR point, and you cannot, and hence we are arguing over the semantics of boxing rules, and not what takes place in the ring.

Even if you do the math and take population into consideration, I would wager that Americans are still equal or better in the rankings. As it stands now, we are MUCH better. If we are so weak, then how could we even be TIED?

In any case, YOU made that assertion, and now YOU need to back it up, or get on outta here wth your weak semantics arguments. IN THE RING, we OWN you. If you cannot prove otherwise in your next post (because that is the point here) then you should retract your original statement and admit you cannot prove it.

The most important development in the modernization of boxing came with the drafting of the Queensbeery Rules in 1865, their publication in 1867, and their wide adoption in 1892. Before 1892 most importanat matches were fought under the London Prize Ring Rules, which were adopted in 1838 from Broughtons rules of 1743 and revised in 1853 and 1866. The 29 London Prize Ring Rules generally spelled out Broughtons Rules with greater length and in greater detail; they also specified fouls more explicitly. The "square of a yard" in Broughtons rule 1 were replaced by the old "scratch" line: after the 30 seconds between rounds elapsed and the umpire called time, each man had to walk to the scratch line unaided, this prevented seconds from carrying boxers to the scratch who were unfit to continue. Also, ****es were limited on the boots, and fouls, such as butting, gouging, biting, scratching, kicking and the use of stones in the hands were clarified. The Queensberry Rules, which were probably drawn up by a classmate of Broughtons at Cambridge, John Graham Chambers, removed the wrestling aspect, introduced gloves, extended the time between rounds to 1 minute, banned ****ed shoes and limited rounds to three minutes...............Rockin' :boxing:

I think all the tough guys get sent to prison now. Last night some dude wanted to start a fight with me coming back on this train. He pushed me first and I got ****ing tackled by the train security people and they threw me off the train and threatend to call the cops. I chilled out, because i didn't want to go to jail, but back in the day the used to let people get their fight on, not anymore though.

video games,


cintron plays video games >alot< ;)

all the best young fighters are online playing fight night

I grew up in one of the roughest areas of England so no problem with finding tough guys :) I dont think theres anything wrong with people not being tough, up to them and violence is not pretty. I do hate those metro's with big mouths though, you just wanna hurt them. IMO, if you can't handle yourself...dont mess with people.

Incedently, you do know that the population of America is about 6X the size of the UK? Narrow it down and you'll see the differences.

#1. This country aint even a big boxing country
#2. It's full of football/baseball/nascar freaks
#3. USA got more than 6 times many champs as the UK, I ain't a patriotic person, but that's the truth...

QUOTE OF THE WEEK!

[QUOTE=Super_Lightweight] - In the same way it would be dumb to bring up London rules boxing and Queensbury rules an all this bull**** that people don't even care about anymore.

The international sport of boxing doesn't use those rules anymore

LOL!....

In any case, YOU made that assertion, and now YOU need to back it up, or get on outta here wth your weak semantics arguments. IN THE RING, we OWN you. If you cannot prove otherwise in your next post (because that is the point here) then you should retract your original statement and admit you cannot prove it.
OK... I finally learned what you mean!!!... ;)

America "OWN" British boxing... LOL!.... "OWN" means something different to what we know it as!... "OWN" is some kinda fighting term in America for winning right?...

OK.... LOL!... It sounded like you were saying that America invented boxing? (as usual) And that history is irrilevent, (again usual)...

I dont get it. Just cause we fight by Queensbury rules Britain owns America in boxing? :confused: I dont think so. IMO the country with better qualitu fighters owns the country with less quality fighters and it does not really matter who plays by which rules. just cause you invented the rules for the game does not mean you own it.

The reason boxing doesn't have as many great fighters as it used to is because the best athletes choose to concentrate on other sports over boxing.
With the exception being a country like Mexico where it's still the number one sport right up there with soccer. Mexico still churns out great fighters like they always have.

Boxing has become a last resort for athletes where as in the past it was in the top 4 along with baseball, football, and basketball.

Look at it this way.
If these guys can make a living playing football, baseball or basketball, why would they go into boxing?

Baseball, basketball (and some football players) make just as much as most of the top figthers do these days, and they don't have to worry about not being able to remember their own name when their career is over with, they don't have to worry about some scumbag promoter or manager stealing all his money, they don't have to worry about getting screwing out of a decision by crooked judges, they don't have to worry about putting their lives on the line every time they step on the field.

Athletes see the problems in boxing plus the inherent physical risks and choose to concentrate on other sports because the risks aren't nearly as great and the money is just as good, if not better.

Why should someone with a talent for baseball, basketball and boxing concentrate on boxing? It's just not worth the risk to a lot of these guys unless it's the ONLY sport they are good at.

I dont get it. Just cause we fight by Queensbury rules Britain owns America in boxing? :confused: I dont think so. IMO the country with better qualitu fighters owns the country with less quality fighters and it does not really matter who plays by which rules. just cause you invented the rules for the game does not mean you own it.
I'm just biting on ignorant stupid comments Light_Welterweight is making. :cool:

Just because England invented boxing, doesn't mean they "OWN" the sport!... Not at all!... The best boxer's in the World come from Mexico/Thailand/Phillipienes/Malaysia/Africa/and many more.

Kenny is correct. This is also the reason that boxing may never see another heavyweight era like the one in the 1970's. All of the best heavyweights are playing football, baseball, and basketball.

OK... I finally learned what you mean!!!...

America "OWN" British boxing... LOL!.... "OWN" means something different to what we know it as!... "OWN" is some kinda fighting term in America for winning right?...

OK.... LOL!... It sounded like you were saying that America invented boxing? (as usual) And that history is irrilevent, (again usual)...

Dude...come ON. LOL...you mean to tell me thos whole time you didn't even know wtf I was talking about? :D


I'm just biting on ignorant stupid comments Light_Welterweight is making.

I said one statement based on being uninformed. Nothing stupid about it...hardly anyone refers to or knows this "Queensbury" term. We know the rules, just don't call 'em that. That's all. Just confusion. Think before you speak next time and I will do the same. Saying Americans ain't tough is pretty ballsy and totally untrue, that is my point.

blah,blah,blah, your obviously younger and talking out of your ass on that point. Cause I would lay green that I am still young enough to show you exactly what Im talikng about. It seems that you seem very self conscious that I am directing the statements of weak minded youth at you. I have been looking for a fighter to train for the last 4 or 5 years, always having guys come up talking big and showing little. I eventually just drop them because they dont have the strong mentality that you will need. I sucked it up plenty in my time and fought on and fought hard. I was there, most definately. Now why dont you tell me where here is in your professional or amatuer career so that I know that you arent just completely full of ****.

Peace, really..............Rockin' :boxing:
What town are you from

Im in Michigan, outside of Dteroit.........Rockin'

Im in Michigan, outside of Dteroit.........Rockin'

YAYA!!!!!! D-TOWN!!!!

Rockkkkkkkkk!

Whoever u are Munn, Rock would knock you senseless, u are just some stupid retard lookin for attention by talkin **** to one of the most respected members of boxingscene
ThaGreat .... it seems you have high regard for the man. That's OK. I suppose it's OK too that he would "knock me senseless". That sort of action proves your'e right, right? I'm guessing that ROCKIN' likes your kind of support, you know, a real "tough guy".

And no, I'm not mentally handicapped. That's what you meant wasn't it, when you shot-back with "retard".

By the way, my post was, in fact, intended to be confrontational. ROCKIN's post reminded too much of my friend's dad. Let me tell you, that man showed my buddy the "manly sport" alright. His dad was all about being manly and being "tough". He was a true throw-back that liked to make his boys "tough" by making them fight him and each other. They sure as hell turned out tough, but that's all they were. They could knock you over with their looks man, but the fighting never really benefitted them. It was tough to watch, as a kid.

All those "tough guys" in the 40's and 50's probably had the same ****ing dad, or they didn't know their dad at all. That's what made them tough. Is that what your man ROCKIN wants? I just don't understand it man, it's that simple. Maybe I am, after all, the "retard" you claim I am.

ThaGreat .... it seems you have high regard for the man. That's OK. I suppose it's OK too that he would "knock me senseless". That sort of action proves your'e right, right? I'm guessing that ROCKIN' likes your kind of support, you know, a real "tough guy".

And no, I'm not mentally handicapped. That's what you meant wasn't it, when you shot-back with "retard".

By the way, my post was, in fact, intended to be confrontational. ROCKIN's post reminded too much of my friend's dad. Let me tell you, that man showed my buddy the "manly sport" alright. His dad was all about being manly and being "tough". He was a true throw-back that liked to make his boys "tough" by making them fight him and each other. They sure as hell turned out tough, but that's all they were. They could knock you over with their looks man, but the fighting never really benefitted them. It was tough to watch, as a kid.

All those "tough guys" in the 40's and 50's probably had the same ****ing dad, or they didn't know their dad at all. That's what made them tough. Is that what your man ROCKIN wants? I just don't understand it man, it's that simple. Maybe I am, after all, the "retard" you claim I am.

Thats not what Rockin1 was tryin to say...
He was sayin what happened to all the people with heart and courage...he means there are lot of street fighters who all talk big, but none of them got heart..they just big on the streets but can't back it up in the ring, Thomas Hearns is tough! Was he a person that fought his friends...NO!

Rockin1 aint sayin u should fight ur friends etc...

blah,blah,blah, your obviously younger and talking out of your ass on that point. Cause I would lay green that I am still young enough to show you exactly what Im talikng about. It seems that you seem very self conscious that I am directing the statements of weak minded youth at you. I have been looking for a fighter to train for the last 4 or 5 years, always having guys come up talking big and showing little. I eventually just drop them because they dont have the strong mentality that you will need. I sucked it up plenty in my time and fought on and fought hard. I was there, most definately. Now why dont you tell me where here is in your professional or amatuer career so that I know that you arent just completely full of ****.
Question. Do you believe there was something redemptive about being "tough" in the 40's and 50's? My father grew up without food in his belly in the early 40's, which he says produced a lot of tough guys in his village. Maybe it's the three-squares that's got our youth today so "soft"?

My father never raised his hand aginst any body in our house, despite the fact that his dad was always trying to "toughen them up", much like our throw-back neighbour with his kids.

What truly made my father tough was his three janitor jobs to keep his son and four adopted kids fed. Despite his display of "toughness" on every day of the week, one of my brothers turned-out to be a great thug, as you aptly described him. Maybe my Father should have done to him as his father had taught him, you know, the "manly art" and all that?

As far as guys being "tough", they don't need to be fighters and boxers to be TRULY tough.

The 40's and 50's are gone and will not return. I do not lament this fact, and neither does my father, the tough guy.

ROCKIN'.... another thing, I apologize for comin' on strong the other night. I was out of step with the post and got hot headed. Plus I'd had a few buds, but that's no excuse. Yopu started a decent thread that intended not to flame anybody. Good on you.

Drugs changed everything (example:Crack)

you know what munn, I will confront any person that I meet as a gentleman. If that person wants to push me then I will get tough, I dont like doing it but I dont like being pushed by people more so, so at that point I will. You meet any person that knows me and ask them what I am like your answers would be, nice, quiet, creative and even dosile. I dont need to kick ass in the street to prove that I am tough. I threw fists with enough world class fighters to laugh at the drunks in the street with all of their couragious words and just continue on my way. I am tough, make no mistake about that. But I am secure enough in myself not to have to show it off in the streets. That would just make look like the ass. I dont need to fight and I dont need people like you coming off on me. I have not been in a street fight since I was like 10 years old. I am a tough guy, I can fight, straight out. But more than that I am a gentleman with class, just dont step on me and you will see that..............Rockin' :boxing: