the way i looked at Manny's recent fight, i think he has yet to develop the necessary improvment that he needed against JMM's style that was adopted by EM. what improvement do you think Manny should concentrate on improving?

the way i looked at Manny's recent fight, i think he has yet to develop the necessary improvment that he needed against JMM's style that was adopted by EM. what improvement do you think Manny should concentrate on improving?
He needs to develop some more variation in his offensive skills, learn to put together better combinations inside while remaining defensively sound, and he needs to learn to react better under big offensive pressure by using angles and counters instead of running straight back. He's got the discipline and the talent, he just needs the rough edges worked off, and to STOP depending on such a small bag of tricks (however great it may be) to win his fights.

He needs to learn how to fight inside, like Barrera did to Morales. He needs to learn how to tie up and smother his opponents so they can't retaliate. Quit skipping away from opponents like some amateur.

All he needs to do is throw more jabs and uppercuts and I believe that while learning to work off the jab, he will naturally have to start thinking and moving more defensively.

He needs to learn how to fight inside, like Barrera did to Morales. He needs to learn how to tie up and smother his opponents so they can't retaliate. Quit skipping away from opponents like some amateur.
good idea. for now, i think he has to improve his right hand particularly the right hook. it seems like manny, for now, boxes only with one hand alone.

he should learn alot from marquez. if he gets marquez' ringmanship, while maintaining his speed and power, he is unstoppable.

Manny needs to learn how to balance himself after throwing the left cross. If he came back with a right hook or a right jab he'd be fine. It's when he leaves himself off balance that he suffers from counters.

Manny needs to learn how to balance himself after throwing the left cross. If he came back with a right hook or a right jab he'd be fine. It's when he leaves himself off balance that he suffers from counters.
great avatar man! if I saw this earlier than you, i would have used this! :cool:

EMO there is not all heck af alot he can improve on pretty much he is a one dimensional fighter and that's the way he's gonna be for the rest of his career :cool:

EMO there is not all heck af alot he can improve on pretty much he is a one dimensional fighter and that's the way he's gonna be for the rest of his career :cool:
and you're a one-dimensional chicken **** gay

go home and give your gay friend morales a nice Blow Job, *******

and you're a one-dimensional chicken **** gay

go home and give your gay friend morales a nice Blow Job, *******
easy man easy keep your pantys on
i'm expressing MO that's all
if you dont like it or you dont agree
you and i can debated and discussed
but you need to lay off on the cursing :boxing:

EMO there is not all heck af alot he can improve on pretty much he is a one dimensional fighter and that's the way he's gonna be for the rest of his career :cool:

It's quite obvious you don't want Pacman to improve coz he could use the new experience to beat Morales. :) But I get your point - Manny should know these things by now. Unfortunately, when the 1-2 punch works 98% of the time, Manny will use it 100% of the time.

Perhaps these losses will convince Manny step back and learn a few new tricks. He's only 26 yrs old.

he should fight the way he always fight, he is a slugger and he will always be a slugger, the right hand is developing well, he just need to add or change his defense ...

he should fight the way he always fight, he is a slugger and he will always be a slugger, the right hand is developing well, he just need to add or change his defense ...

He would lose again to a savvy boxer like Morales.

i dont htink he should bother tryin to learn to box
or improve his right
its just not in him
he might as well try to fine tune and perfect what hes got
that left
he could still gte lucky with that one shot againt MAB or JMM
i mean i dont see him taken a decison over them
he really can only go for the KO

good idea. for now, i think he has to improve his right hand particularly the right hook. it seems like manny, for now, boxes only with one hand alone.

he should learn alot from marquez. if he gets marquez' ringmanship, while maintaining his speed and power, he is unstoppable.
i was thinking the same thing. nice idea.

but how does a fighter like Pacman stop a slick fighter like JMM and EM when they run around inside the ring?

Ill give my opinion.
He needs to improve his offense and his defense.
He showed he has stamina and the heart to stay in there when it got hard againts Erik.
I think we are all missing the point to a boxers career.
You should have all the skills necessary to beat the top fighters when you get the chance to fight the elite fighters.
How many chances do other guys get? not many.
How many chances will Manny get? Will he wait around till the other top guys move up or fade out?
I really hate to say it but Manny is a sensation and will be for a couple of years more and thats it.
He is good for boxing and the fans but he will not go down in history like a Barrera or a Morales.

the way i looked at Manny's recent fight, i think he has yet to develop the necessary improvment that he needed against JMM's style that was adopted by EM. what improvement do you think Manny should concentrate on improving?His opponent selection.

His opponent selection.
lol good choice.
they should be crying for rematch with 3k.

Pac is still waiting for a rematch with Barrera.

Pac is still waiting for a rematch with Barrera.
Since Pac whipped Barrera it should be the other way around.

I wanna see Marquez-Pac rematch.

From what I saw of Pac he has a couple of things to improve on or change. The first being his head movement. He will stand infront of a guy and just keep moving his head with out putting any fists out there. You stand infront of a man too long and eventualy you are going to get hit. Make a couple of quick movements of the head and then do something, anything besides standing there in front of him. Move to a side and dig or just move. Better yet, throw something.

He also runs straight in hoping to land his bombs. Use that head movement, add some bobing and rolling and work your way in with the jab. Get in range and drop some bombs on the guy. It looked so amatuerish, Pac running in from the outside with hooks and uppercuts. Use a method of gaining ground, running in will only get you nailed when you fight any solid fighter. Its like in a war, there is a front and you gain ground by slowly pushing them backwards. Hoping to gain ground by running in with your guns blasting will get you shot and killed. And then when the smarter, slower advancing troops follow behind, you will become just another obstacle that they must step over to get to where they want to be, because your laying threr dead.............Rockin' :boxing:

Since Pac whipped Barrera it should be the other way around.

I wanna see Marquez-Pac rematch.

There's the difference. Pac wanted a rematch with all three. Morales is moving up. Marquez wants more money. Barrera doesn't want it.

Maybe he should retire. :)

From what I saw of Pac he has a couple of things to improve on or change. The first being his head movement. He will stand infront of a guy and just keep moving his head with out putting any fists out there. You stand infront of a man too long and eventualy you are going to get hit. Make a couple of quick movements of the head and then do something, anything besides standing there in front of him. Move to a side and dig or just move. Better yet, throw something.

He also runs straight in hoping to land his bombs. Use that head movement, add some bobing and rolling and work your way in with the jab. Get in range and drop some bombs on the guy. It looked so amatuerish, Pac running in from the outside with hooks and uppercuts. Use a method of gaining ground, running in will only get you nailed when you fight any solid fighter. Its like in a war, there is a front and you gain ground by slowly pushing them backwards. Hoping to gain ground by running in with your guns blasting will get you shot and killed. And then when the smarter, slower advancing troops follow behind, you will become just another obstacle that they must step over to get to where they want to be, because your laying threr dead.............Rockin' :boxing:
Good point, but in opinion Pac gets all his power from throwing his whole body into the left.If you notice after throwing that power shot he is standing straight in front of you,leaving him wide open for counters. He doesnt hit nearly as hard when he is at a stand still. When throwing his combos they were easily blocked and and shrugged off. Then got countered wonderfully by Morales.Anyone with a little D and that can counter will beat Manny.

He needs to learn to plant his feet while punching again. When he was younger, all he did was fight on the inside. He needs to control and time his speed more with his hands and feet.

Too much bouncing and leaping lead loss of balance (specially when he misses) and too much handspeed lead to loss of accuracy.

And patience wouldn't hurt.

i dont htink he should bother tryin to learn to box
or improve his right
its just not in him
he might as well try to fine tune and perfect what hes got
that left
he could still gte lucky with that one shot againt MAB or JMM
i mean i dont see him taken a decison over them
he really can only go for the KO

He'll beat Barrera again...

i dont htink he should bother tryin to learn to box
or improve his right
its just not in him
he might as well try to fine tune and perfect what hes got
that left
he could still gte lucky with that one shot againt MAB or JMM
i mean i dont see him taken a decison over them
he really can only go for the KO
well said thank you good karma is going your way :)

but how does a fighter like Pacman stop a slick fighter like JMM and EM when they run around inside the ring?

Make them come to you.

Make them come to you.
I thought I heard someone say Pac doesnt know how to box going back. Or was it he doesnt know how to box...... I cant remember.
Well anyway he is a machine coming foward and that is the only style we will ever see from him.

lol good choice.
they should be crying for rematch with 3k.


3k Battery is the gym, not the boxer. *sighs* hopefully everyone will eventually learn that. I thought it was a specific boxer too. The "3k Battery" Pac fought and beat isn't the one you've been reading about on FN and other sites. The good 3k Battery guy is Yonsadan (something like that).

Where do you think should Manny concentrate on improving?


His excuses

Make them come to you.
EXACTLY! that's what JMM and EM did. very effective technique. but i also do think that letting them come to you is the way to get his speed and power land.

Pac has trouble with styles of JMM who runs around the ring. but i do think the only way to catch them is when they keep on backing away, Pac could just stand still and make that guy come come near him again and then execute his blinding power left straight. that is when it's most effective, when the guy comes to his direction. he should quit chasing them coz he's just falling into their gambit.

His excuses

my thoughts exactly. i don't think manny will learn to box any time soon.

Pac has trouble with styles of JMM who runs around the ring. but i do think the only way to catch them is when they keep on backing away, Pac could just stand still and make that guy come come near him again and then execute his blinding power left straight. that is when it's most effective, when the guy comes to his direction. he should quit chasing them coz he's just falling into their gambit.

its called movement. something pac is going to have to overcome. personally i don't think a one punch wonder will last in the boxing world of the elite. manny will have to learn something i don't feel he is capable of and that is how to box. we all saw what happened when em did start the offensive and that was a backpeddaling pac-man that looked like a jr. high kid with gloves on for the first time.

I thought I heard someone say Pac doesnt know how to box going back. Or was it he doesnt know how to box...... I cant remember.
Well anyway he is a machine coming foward and that is the only style we will ever see from him.

i don't think he knows how to do anythink with the word box in it . but i do agree that he is a machine coming in with the attack. the speed and power are amazing. but that will only get you so far.

guys don't get me wrong manny got where he is by doing something right, but it just wasn't enough to get him to the very top. i hope to see manny for years to come. its always exciting to watch him fight.

develop a stiff right jab... his jab is soft, he does not hurt anybody with that jab... much more like hagler, has a stiff jab and stinging left...

MOVE TO THE RIGHT
PUNCH
MOVE TO THE RIGHT
PUNCH
MOVE TO THE RIGHT
PUNCH
etc.

develop a stiff right jab... his jab is soft, he does not hurt anybody with that jab... much more like hagler, has a stiff jab and stinging left...

That jab worked against B-rated fighters like Ledwaba.

that's what im saying, his jab is effective in lesser class opponents so he has to develop one that should be effective against the A class fighters...

that's what im saying, his jab is effective in lesser class opponents so he has to develop one that should be effective against the A class fighters...

It's ironic that Ledwaba had one hell of an A rated left jab. He just couldn't deal with a lefty.

Defense! Defense! Defense! Relying On Back Pedaling Does'nt Cut It. If He Faces A Very Hard Puncher. Going Straight Back Is Gonna Get Him On His Back.he Needs To Be More Balanced In The Ring. By Settleing Down On His Punches.by Turning His Whole Body.when Throwing That Straight Left.freddie Roach Said He Was Trying To Get Him To Pivot His Left Foot To Achieve This.i Did'nt See It At All. I Also Did'nt See That Famous Manilla Ice Uppercut That Was Gonna Catch Morales Everytime.these Are Just A Few Things That I Think Are Missing Form His Arsenal.because Having Just A Straight Left Hand, An Off Balance One Too .is Not Work On Everyone.especially When They Know That's Pretty Much All You Got.