Who do you pick? I pick Ken Shamrock. I just watched Riddick Bowe and he won his match tonight. Doesnt matter if you are older but if you have the skills, you will win. (unless a ko happens)

Who do you pick? I pick Ken Shamrock. I just watched Riddick Bowe and he won his match tonight. Doesnt matter if you are older but if you have the skills, you will win. (unless a ko happens)


Shamrock gets KOed in the 1st round by Franklin. Take it to the bank.

Franklin has better stand up, solid wrestling, plus he's a BJJ brown belt. Franklin by TKO, round 2.

Don't underestimate OLD MAN STRENGTH! That can't be beat.

Saw the Riddick Bowe fight, too. He's ****ing terrible. He let a smaller, mediocre little guy knock his big ass all over the ring. The decision should've went to the other side.

Who do you pick? I pick Ken Shamrock. I just watched Riddick Bowe and he won his match tonight. Doesnt matter if you are older but if you have the skills, you will win. (unless a ko happens)Shamrock. Franklin is good but I just saw him fight at 185(or was it 170), I believe and he's just gonna be outmuscled like a muh****a.

Ken because he ALMOST was a Marine!

Don't underestimate OLD MAN STRENGTH! That can't be beat.

Saw the Riddick Bowe fight, too. He's ****ing terrible. He let a smaller, mediocre little guy knock his big ass all over the ring. The decision should've went to the other side.At the end of the 5th round and the beginning of the 6th, Big Daddy was walkin on his heels. That guy almost launched his head off his shoulders as he "floated" into the corner.

Bowe was lumbering around like a damn elephant.

I pick Ken.

Franklin is gonna whoop him. TKO 2nd round...

Anybody recall if Franklin just had a fight at 170 or not? Damn, I just can't recall who he was fihting. I just saw it recently ... I don't think it was a replay. Was it Pride 29?

Bowe got his ass handed to him and won because his name is Bowe.

Franklin is gonna dance around Shamrock and make him look bad. Franklin by anyway he wants, round 2.

Franklin is gonna dance around Shamrock and make him look bad. Franklin by anyway he wants, round 2.
Prophetic.

What did Shamrock do or not do, technically to secure the heelhook? It looked good to me and I thought it was supposedly so easy to destroy a foot like that.

Ken lost in about 4 different ways tonight.
He lost 2 times to gravity.
He lost once to Rich Franklin.
He lost almost any shred of doubt among the MMA community that he isn't washed up.

Prophetic.

What did Shamrock do or not do, technically to secure the heelhook? It looked good to me and I thought it was supposedly so easy to destroy a foot like that.
It was really close but Franklin escaped his knee and rolled threw the pressure.

That was a terrible and dissapointing performance by Ken. He stumbled into a left hook for absolutely no reason, and then threw a ****ty high kick at a taller guy with more kicking knowledge, very poor performance by Ken.

Hats off to Franklin though he looked good.

That was pretty sad to watch. Shammy throwing a slow, telegraphed and supremely ineffective high kick, then watching him stumble onto the mat after losing his equilibrium, and finally getting pummelled unmercilessly without showing any kind of defense...that was really, really, really sad.

That was pretty sad to watch. Shammy throwing a slow, telegraphed and supremely ineffective high kick, then watching him stumble onto the mat after losing his equilibrium, and finally getting pummelled unmercilessly without showing any kind of defense...that was really, really, really sad.

Couldn't have said it better. Ken didn't even go for gaurd something that even I can do.

It was really close but Franklin escaped his knee and rolled threw the pressure.It was sad seeing Ken get whopped like that, but you have to give it to the other guy, he twisted his way out of a wicked ankle lock, Shamrock almost won, but he is much too old to compete now.

It was really close but Franklin escaped his knee and rolled threw the pressure.Unh! Oh well, he had a great career and probably stands to make several hundred thousand more from MMA and his reputation. Think he'll focus on rebuilding the Lion's Den or working more as an expert analyst in the various venues?

Maybe even start his own little association where he goes around and puts on small events and oversees clubs around the nation?

He slipped and fell twice, though, and that last one is what did him in. I give full credit to Franklin, but does anyone think the outcome could have been different if Shamrock wasn't slipping all over the place?

He slipped and fell twice, though, and that last one is what did him in. I give full credit to Franklin, but does anyone think the outcome could have been different if Shamrock wasn't slipping all over the place?

I think Shamrock lost before the fight even started. The entire fight seemed correographed to me especially Shams first slip.

Since Shamrock is my favorite MMA fighter ever, I recorded the bout even though it sucked. When I was watching it a second time, I started to think that those slips were too strange. Then I slow moed the thing and that was when I started to think that something fishy was going on there. That and also the ending because Ken was just letting Franklin punch him and seemed to have no intention of protecting himself. I could be wrong but maybe this was a set up.

That's the way I feel about it, it was just to strange. I don't want to start anymore arguments, I don't feel strongly about it anyway, but nobody lets someone hit you like that, I don't care if your not as athletic as you used to be. Or if your washed up. He just froze on the ground and let in punches I probably would have blocked. At least the first few anyway. He made no attempt to go for gaurd. The first slip was the worst though. It looked asthough he jumped the gun at taking a punch.

Yeah, even if you are washed up you don't forget about the guard. Shamrock is a true veteran and it's obvious that he knows how important that is. Besides, it was less than a year ago that he koed a guy who many felt would take him, Kimo. I think Shamrock could still beat a few veterans and even some young lions. It's just that Franklin is an underrated animal or maybe Ken just was offered a big paycheck for the job.

Well, we all know how desperate the UFC is right now for new poster boys.

I just watched 51, and after Tito got the decision over Belfort, there was that whole kerfuffle where he was talking trash about Liddell and Shamrock. Shamrock challenged Tito, and Tito was pretty vague about whether or not he was up for it.

I realize Tito's not presently under contract and no one knows what's up with his career, but if Shamrock's as furious as he is and wants Tito this badly, would you still give him the edge in this fight, or did the Franklin fight prove that Shamrock's done?

There isn't many fights I'd give Shamrock the edge anymore, especially not against Tito.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Especially since Tito seems to be returning to his old form (still an *******, though).

I wonder if anyone's going to recommend to Ken that he drop the "World's Most Dangerous Man" tag. Because, honestly...

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Especially since Tito seems to be returning to his old form (still an *******, though).

I wonder if anyone's going to recommend to Ken that he drop the "World's Most Dangerous Man" tag. Because, honestly...


I don't thinks so, just because alot of ignoramuses out there still believe that's what he is. there is still a little bit of money to be made. America is a capitolist society, they will juice untill it's shriveled up, old and useless.

I don't thinks so, just because alot of ignoramuses out there still believe that's what he is. there is still a little bit of money to be made. America is a capitolist society, they will juice untill it's shriveled up, old and useless.
Ken has had a good career but maybe it's time for him to call it a day. It happens to everyone eventually but it's disappointing to see all the armchair quarterbacks dissing him. He deserves respect but if you don't know that already there's no use telling you.

I just bet you'd have pulled guard after a fighter like Rich Franklin was jacking you in your grill!

Work? LMFAO!

I agree, Ken Shamrock was never really top notch to begin with, Franklin is a stud, none of his fights have ever gone the distance and he's only lost once. Most hardcore fans knew that Kenny was in for a beating......

I am a Shamrock fan to death and I knew that Franklin was too dangerous for him right now, but I disagree with you saying that Shamrock was not top notch. The man is hated by a lot of MMA fans, but they can't deny that Shamrock was one of the best in his prime. He was never unbeatable but he was one of the best hands down.

He was good, real good, no doubt, but he was never the best. I'm a Ken Shamrock fan to.....

I think that back in the day the best was Royce Gracie. That was before World fighters realized that Gracies were beatable humans. Mark Coleman and Pedro Rizzo were very dominant champions. Now I think about Mirko Cro Cop and Wanderlei Silva. But Shamrock will always be my favorite!

I haven't read any posts yet on Couture's loss but from what I see here, there's probably expert analysis on what he did wrong from guys who weren't even alive when he started MMA, how they would've done it much better and that he either doesn't have it anymore ... or never did.

I bet the criticism is along the lines of, "he's dumb, obviously he should have blocked all the punches thrown at him" ....

Hey .... Maybe it was a work, a staged fight?(****ing sarcasm, here)