View Full Version : Pitbulls illegal in UK?


K-Yo
04-07-2005, 07:12 PM
Are Pitbull terriers illegal in the UK, im just wonderin cos i always hear of people gettin one for crazy prices like £50 but i dont wanna buy one and then the feds end up taking it and puttin it down

The Noose
04-07-2005, 07:19 PM
I dont believe they are illegal. I see them every where, they're like a ****ing fashion accessory. But i dont know what kind of pitbull they are.

K-Yo
04-07-2005, 07:23 PM
You might be thinking of Stafforshire bull terriers they are definitely legal

neils7147933
04-07-2005, 07:31 PM
American Staffordshire Terriers from a reputable breeder with credentials would be a potentially good dog with proper socialization as a puppy...

anybody with a male and a female mongrel can breed them and call them pit bulls. That kind of dog is possibly dangerous...

The Fix
04-07-2005, 08:06 PM
people want to ban the dogs and **** but that is the dumbest thing i have ever heard. it all how you raise the dog and the things you teach it. its like a child, if you teach a kid to be racist then he aint gonna know otherwise. if you were to put two puppies in a room, one a pitbull and the other a poodle all they are gonna do is play with eachother.

neils7147933
04-07-2005, 08:08 PM
people want to ban the dogs and **** but that is the dumbest thing i have ever heard. it all how you raise the dog and the things you teach it. its like a child, if you teach a kid to be racist then he aint gonna know otherwise. if you were to put two puppies in a room, one a pitbull and the other a poodle all they are gonna do is play with eachother.

terriers are naturally dog-aggressive. eventually that poodle is going to either get hurt or willingly submit to the pit bull

The Fix
04-07-2005, 08:17 PM
terriers are naturally dog-aggressive. eventually that poodle is going to either get hurt or willingly submit to the pit bull

i had a terrier and it was never aggresive at all, he was freindly to all the dogs he ever met. he was never scared of another dog though even if he was smaller. i think they are more socialble dogs not aggresive. if all the dogs knows is the poodle it wouldnt have any reason to be overly aggresive. plus you can teach the dog how to act in certain situations

neils7147933
04-07-2005, 08:44 PM
i had a terrier and it was never aggresive at all, he was freindly to all the dogs he ever met. he was never scared of another dog though even if he was smaller. i think they are more socialble dogs not aggresive. if all the dogs knows is the poodle it wouldnt have any reason to be overly aggresive. plus you can teach the dog how to act in certain situations

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/americanstaffordshire.htm

The American Staffordshire is a very muscular, stocky, yet agile dog, and is extremely strong for his size. He has a broad, powerful head, short muzzle, and very strong jaws. The ears are generally cropped, though this is optional. The eyes are round and black. The teeth should form a scissors bite. Its coat is made up of thick, short, shiny hair. All colors are admissible, but dogs must not be more than 80% white. The tail tapers to a point. The ears are erect and docked slightly. Classed by AKC as "American Staffordshire Terrier" and by UKC as "American Pit Bull Terrier." The American Staffordshire Terrier, are generally of larger bone structure, head size and weight then their cousins the American Pit Bull Terrier.

The American Staffordshire Terrier is a happy, outgoing, stable, and confident dog. Gentle and loving towards people. Good-natured, amusing, extremely loyal and affectionate family pet. It is good with children and adults. Almost always obedient, this dog wants nothing more then to please its master. It is an extremely courageous and intelligent guard dog that is very full of life. Over the past 50 years, careful breeding has produced this friendly, trustworthy, dog who is an especially good dog for children. Courageous and a persistent fighter if provoked. Highly protective of his owners and the owner's property, it will fight an enemy to the death if the enemy traps the dog in a corner and threatens its loved ones. This breed has a very high tolerance for pain. Some un-socialized Staffs may be dog aggressive. Socialize very thoroughly when young to curve any dog aggressive tendencies. This breed can be difficult to housebreak. It has given outstanding results as a guardian of property, but is at the same time esteemed as a companion dog. When properly trained and socialized, the Staff makes a great family companion. This breed is not for the passive owner who does not understand that all dogs have an instinct to have a pack order.

PBDS
04-07-2005, 10:38 PM
people want to ban the dogs and **** but that is the dumbest thing i have ever heard. it all how you raise the dog and the things you teach it. its like a child, if you teach a kid to be racist then he aint gonna know otherwise. if you were to put two puppies in a room, one a pitbull and the other a poodle all they are gonna do is play with eachother.


....certain breeds are more prone to snap for no reason regardless of how they are raised.

The Fix
04-08-2005, 01:14 AM
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/americanstaffordshire.htm

The American Staffordshire is a very muscular, stocky, yet agile dog, and is extremely strong for his size. He has a broad, powerful head, short muzzle, and very strong jaws. The ears are generally cropped, though this is optional. The eyes are round and black. The teeth should form a scissors bite. Its coat is made up of thick, short, shiny hair. All colors are admissible, but dogs must not be more than 80% white. The tail tapers to a point. The ears are erect and docked slightly. Classed by AKC as "American Staffordshire Terrier" and by UKC as "American Pit Bull Terrier." The American Staffordshire Terrier, are generally of larger bone structure, head size and weight then their cousins the American Pit Bull Terrier.

The American Staffordshire Terrier is a happy, outgoing, stable, and confident dog. Gentle and loving towards people. Good-natured, amusing, extremely loyal and affectionate family pet. It is good with children and adults. Almost always obedient, this dog wants nothing more then to please its master. It is an extremely courageous and intelligent guard dog that is very full of life. Over the past 50 years, careful breeding has produced this friendly, trustworthy, dog who is an especially good dog for children. Courageous and a persistent fighter if provoked. Highly protective of his owners and the owner's property, it will fight an enemy to the death if the enemy traps the dog in a corner and threatens its loved ones. This breed has a very high tolerance for pain. Some un-socialized Staffs may be dog aggressive. Socialize very thoroughly when young to curve any dog aggressive tendencies. This breed can be difficult to housebreak. It has given outstanding results as a guardian of property, but is at the same time esteemed as a companion dog. When properly trained and socialized, the Staff makes a great family companion. This breed is not for the passive owner who does not understand that all dogs have an instinct to have a pack order.

doesnt sound bad to me but what is a pack order?
im gonna get a dog of this breed but iam not very passive so i shouldnt have any problems.

elveiel
04-08-2005, 07:01 AM
Pitbull or bull terrier??

English bull terriers are often confused with pitbulls, i think pitbulls are illegal but bull terriers are not.

English Bull terrier

http://www.dogforum.co.uk/English_Bull_Terrier.jpg

American pitbull terrier
http://roland.collignon.free.fr/races/pitbull.jpg

elveiel
04-08-2005, 07:06 AM
Evil looking dog!! :D

http://www.temastauffer.com/big/Pitbull.jpg

eden
04-08-2005, 07:23 AM
my uncle had a pitbull and it bit my cousins face

elveiel
04-08-2005, 07:41 AM
Dogs are cool as long as they know who's boss, i dont know why people are scared of dogs because we are far stronger and can bite just as well. :D

neils7147933
04-08-2005, 07:44 AM
doesnt sound bad to me but what is a pack order?
im gonna get a dog of this breed but iam not very passive so i shouldnt have any problems.

not a dog expert but:

have you heard of the term alpha? google it or whatever - dogs or wolves. The dog will attempt to become dominant over the owner or especially other dogs. When you have two dogs, one will definitely emerge as the dominant one. That's the one you're supposed to feed first, etc. The other dog will suffer consequences if the order is disrupted. When I was talking about the pit bull and the poodle - that poodle will have to submit or it will likely be attacked. It might be anyway.

more info:

http://flfl.essortment.com/informationonp_rqvi.htm

Information on pit bulls: American Pit Bull Terriers require responsible owners. They can be great pets or neighborhood nightmares. The pros and cons of owning a pit bull terrier are examined here.
The American Pit Bull Terrier can be a precious family pet or a terrifying neighborhood nightmare. These dogs require responsible owners, who are dedicated to improving the name of the breed. Dogs like RCA Victrola Pit do a little to help the breed's reputation. However, it is up to owners to really control this misunderstood breed.


Pit bulls have been used for years in the pit as fighting dogs. They are referred to as game dogs. Game in this sense means ready to fight to the death. Gameness is actually a desired trait in any dog, it just must be handled properly. A game dog will protect its owner and family from any outside attacker. The downside to this is that a game dog can be taught to be vicious.



Pit Bulls have tremendous jaw strength. They are reputed to have up to 1500 pounds per square inch of jaw pressure. Their jaws do not actually lock. These dogs just refuse to let go at times. Roll bars may be necessary to break a stubborn pit bull's grip on an item. Roll bars are basically wooden dowels that are slipped into the mouth and pulled back upon to break a dog's grip.


Pit Bulls can be loving family pets. By nature, as most terriers do, they love people. They can be socialized to accept other animals. Pit Bulls definitely require obedience training. They are smart enough to be stubborn; if left untrained. These dogs must recognize an alpha and know their place within the family pack. Training ensures this.


Owning a Pit Bull Terrier may actually negate your home owner's insurance. Many insurance carriers today will not insurance home owners that own a dog of this breed. Be sure to check into this before you purchase your puppy and become attached to it. You may actually be required to purchase a separate insurance policy at a higher rate, if you own a Pit Bull Terrier.


People may not understand your love for this breed. Be prepared to protect your dog from Pit Bull haters and from bullies who want to put their dog up against your dog. Many uninformed dog owners will want to test their dog against your Pit Bull to prove that Pit Bulls are not such tough dogs. Avoid these people at all costs. Their dogs are not to blame for their stupidity.


If you have a secure place for your Pit Bull to run and play, a desire to own a loyal, game dog, and the responsibility to see to the dog's training, then you are ready to own a Pit Bull. If you are game enough to protect your game dog from bullies and anti-Pit Bull folks, then you are game enough to own a Pit Bull. Otherwise, you should look at other breeds.

SonnyG8R
04-08-2005, 08:31 AM
**** pitbulls.

Mick Hucknall
04-08-2005, 09:14 AM
No type of dog is dangerous if brought up right. I have two gundogs and my mum will soon be getting a Doberman. When bringing up a dog though you need to show it whos boss. It needs to know that it is at the bottom of the pecking order or else the dog will do as it pleases which can lead to it getting put down. There are also Puppie classes all over the place where you can take your dogs to be socialized by professionals. I've known many Terriers that cared for like this at a young age are ***** cats and have no intention of attacking other dogs or even people.

SonnyG8R
04-08-2005, 09:25 AM
Well most people buy certain breeds of dog for a reason. If you have a family with small kids, there are plenty of breeds that are "family freindly" to chose from. The golden retriever probably being the best example. If you want a gaurd dog, there are breeds that are more commonly used because of their predispositions. Sure with intensive training you can turn a killer into a *****cat, but why bother. If you want a "family dog" why not just purchase one. Same if you want a gaurd dog. I'm sure you could train a golden retriever to be a vicious killer, but why go through all the trouble.

Hell People can take a tiger pup or lion cub from birth and can train them to be pretty tame. But you never know when the thing is going to snap and rip your arm off.

Mick Hucknall
04-08-2005, 10:18 AM
well some dog lovers who take part in working trials need a dog with a drive. Many of the dogs that perform well at working trials are dogs that are known for aggression (i.e Dobermans, Rotweilers and other guard dogs to do well in the field it helps to have a dog like this. You might not want to belive this but you are more likely to have a labrador or retriever attack someone or another dog than lets say a bull terrir. Purely on the fact that owners who have terriers take in the fact of their guarding instinct and put it to good use in working trials whilst making the dog sociable animals. Whereas owners of dogs like labradors seemenly expect them to be ***** cats and are shocked if one goes of the handle and attacks another dog. So why turn a dog into a ***** cat. So that you dont have the dog put down for attacking another one pure and simple whilst maintaining the drive for working trials which is very popular in Britain.

fist-of-fury
04-08-2005, 03:52 PM
Here in Canada, pitbulls are banned in Winnipeg since 1990, and also in Ontario. There was also a proposal to ban them in New Brunswick.

Pitbulls, and some say rotweillers, are a very unpredictable and violent breed and hard to train. And they are dangerous even to members of the families who bred them.

One pitbull who attacked a man in Toronto, continued mauling his victim even when the police has shot and mortally wounded him. He was eventually shot dead.

So I think banning this breed is justifiable.

Mick Hucknall
04-08-2005, 04:03 PM
These kind of events only happen if these animals are left in the wrong hands. Too much puppy farming goes on these days where breeders will pass on their pups to any owners who have the money to pay for them. A proper owner in Britain should ask questions on if they have children size of house, working hours. By doing this many dogs wouldn't be left in the hands of owners who cant simply look after them. Its just a shame that dogs such as pitbulls have the tag of the hard mans dog and many are left in the hands of thugs which mistreat these animals. Believe me when i say any dog treated like this would be a danger to society.

.::|ULTIMATE|::.
04-08-2005, 05:15 PM
Any dog that isnt socialized properly is aggressive.

Pitbulls are illegal in certain parts of the U.S. as well. If found there they are put to sleep.

neils7147933
04-08-2005, 08:51 PM
Here in Canada, pitbulls are banned in Winnipeg since 1990, and also in Ontario. There was also a proposal to ban them in New Brunswick.

Pitbulls, and some say rotweillers, are a very unpredictable and violent breed and hard to train. And they are dangerous even to members of the families who bred them.

One pitbull who attacked a man in Toronto, continued mauling his victim even when the police has shot and mortally wounded him. He was eventually shot dead.

So I think banning this breed is justifiable.

Rottweilers have just been overbred, mainly by drug dealers and other thugs.

Did you know this breed, behind labrador/golden retriever, is the largest THERAPY DOG for old women and handicapped people? A rottweiler from a reputable breeder through the AKC is a good family pet if the owner properly raises the animal.

The Fix
04-08-2005, 08:59 PM
not a dog expert but:

have you heard of the term alpha? google it or whatever - dogs or wolves. The dog will attempt to become dominant over the owner or especially other dogs. When you have two dogs, one will definitely emerge as the dominant one. That's the one you're supposed to feed first, etc. The other dog will suffer consequences if the order is disrupted. When I was talking about the pit bull and the poodle - that poodle will have to submit or it will likely be attacked. It might be anyway.

more info:

http://flfl.essortment.com/informationonp_rqvi.htm

Information on pit bulls: American Pit Bull Terriers require responsible owners. They can be great pets or neighborhood nightmares. The pros and cons of owning a pit bull terrier are examined here.
The American Pit Bull Terrier can be a precious family pet or a terrifying neighborhood nightmare. These dogs require responsible owners, who are dedicated to improving the name of the breed. Dogs like RCA Victrola Pit do a little to help the breed's reputation. However, it is up to owners to really control this misunderstood breed.


Pit bulls have been used for years in the pit as fighting dogs. They are referred to as game dogs. Game in this sense means ready to fight to the death. Gameness is actually a desired trait in any dog, it just must be handled properly. A game dog will protect its owner and family from any outside attacker. The downside to this is that a game dog can be taught to be vicious.



Pit Bulls have tremendous jaw strength. They are reputed to have up to 1500 pounds per square inch of jaw pressure. Their jaws do not actually lock. These dogs just refuse to let go at times. Roll bars may be necessary to break a stubborn pit bull's grip on an item. Roll bars are basically wooden dowels that are slipped into the mouth and pulled back upon to break a dog's grip.


Pit Bulls can be loving family pets. By nature, as most terriers do, they love people. They can be socialized to accept other animals. Pit Bulls definitely require obedience training. They are smart enough to be stubborn; if left untrained. These dogs must recognize an alpha and know their place within the family pack. Training ensures this.


Owning a Pit Bull Terrier may actually negate your home owner's insurance. Many insurance carriers today will not insurance home owners that own a dog of this breed. Be sure to check into this before you purchase your puppy and become attached to it. You may actually be required to purchase a separate insurance policy at a higher rate, if you own a Pit Bull Terrier.


People may not understand your love for this breed. Be prepared to protect your dog from Pit Bull haters and from bullies who want to put their dog up against your dog. Many uninformed dog owners will want to test their dog against your Pit Bull to prove that Pit Bulls are not such tough dogs. Avoid these people at all costs. Their dogs are not to blame for their stupidity.


If you have a secure place for your Pit Bull to run and play, a desire to own a loyal, game dog, and the responsibility to see to the dog's training, then you are ready to own a Pit Bull. If you are game enough to protect your game dog from bullies and anti-Pit Bull folks, then you are game enough to own a Pit Bull. Otherwise, you should look at other breeds.

thanks neils this is def good to know. :cool:

PBDS
04-08-2005, 09:02 PM
My sister has a female German Rot that is of a pure and prestigious bloodline and has been raised to be non-violent and has been socialized completely. I have known her since she was a pup and she respects/fears/loves me second only to my sister(who runs her 3 male to only one female household) with an iron fist. Her dog has become more agressive in her later years. She is 6 now and she does not like men at all. She started going after my nephews male friends and their fathers that would come by the house. She now has to keep her away from men that are unfamiliar to her and it was never a problem until recently. My brother visited my sister and I wasn't in the house at the time, and Zoe went after him when he was ass grabbing his wife. My brother was shocked and was like WTF? This same Rot rolls around on the floor and falls asleep on my chest like the most docile puppy you ever came across. I no longer want the dog in the house when my kids go to spend the night with my sister when I'm not around.

kerrminator
07-23-2008, 10:42 PM
I remember a programme on the discovery channel where the blood of various pitbulls from all over the US was tested and something like 90+% of them were actually just Staffie crosses. Its really hard to tell a pitbull frpom a staffie cross and cannot be done by eye.

The pictures you see all over the internet of these big muscle bound dogs are actually nothing like the actuall dogs used in the fighting pits. The actuall game bred dogs and always very thin and only about a year old. One of these big chunky ****ers would collapse with exhaustion if involved in a pit fight.

ferocity
07-24-2008, 01:36 AM
My brother got a pitbull about 2 weeks ago. Its a she we got her at 6 weeks old. The first day we got her she was a sleepy dog and would parley take a bite of her food. We took her to the vet and the vet said, "i can't gurantee she will make it" cause she was so small.

They told use to feed her some formula like a regular baby with a baby bottle, lol. We tried this and she really would drink much of the food water. Then we just gave her puppy foot wet meat and she chopped the food. Ever since she has had a great appetite and now she dont sleep as much and is more playfull.

Thing is she has a little temper and has even growled at me and my mom. And when she's done this i usally put my hand under he chin and tell her not to bite(she not really biting more like a nibble) and she looks at me and then stop biting. And shes gottena a lot better and does it very rarly now. She used to go for the toes if you were wearing sandles again i'd put my hand under her chin and tell her no and now she doesnt bit. Of course now we found out from a pitbull magazine(10 bucks for a magazine) you can feed it brockli and carrets and she loves both, today my dad brough some squash left it on the floor and the dog was eating teh squash.

Now im thinking her biting was her trying to be dominate but the way she eat the vegtables im thinking it has more to do with her teeth.

I put her up on my chest and even by my neck and doesn't bit at all she actually will sleep if i hold her in my arms.

We've owned a mix shepard/chow and that ****er was a bitting **** too at first till finally she just calmed down. With this one she's gotten more love then other dogs cause shes a pitbull and she has been well behaved. And she is really smart too. She'll follow you around and more times then not simply by makeing a wistle sound she'll come to you where ever you are.

My neces and nephew who are between the ages of 2-10 all play with her and she has been nice to them.

I told my brother as soon as she gets her first shots we have to take her out but not around other dogs/cats till she gets all her shots. Vet said, keep her in the house for 4 months till all her shots are done. But isn't that too much time wasted not socilallizing with people?

I plan on getting some books from the library to read up more on it. Gets tireing to read from the internet.

And i know someone said they are great guard dogs. Well from what i have ready they suck at being guard dogs. Because they have been breed to be cool to people.

I got pics of her too, i'll post up later.

Rafael Benitez
07-24-2008, 01:47 AM
I think you have to have a muzzle for them in the UK. If they turn violent, then they are put down. But as far as I know, they have not outlawed any breeds yet. People have Akita's!!! I even saw a guy with a wolf, but he lost his zookeeper licence when the dickhead tried teaching it to bite. He didn't know that they kept an eye on him. Thought a wolf was ****ing pet! What a tit! That was ten years ago though. Nowadays with paranoid new Labour I doubt the nany state allow it.

msagrain
07-24-2008, 07:26 AM
Some types are illegal yes but there are loads of them about.

Chunk.
07-24-2008, 07:47 AM
Most people who have pitbulls i the UK are young'uns wearing Nike tracksuits and have a huge chain around the dog as a lead just to look hard.

It's just a fashion accessory here for people trying to look mean.

majestiC
07-24-2008, 11:35 AM
Pitbulls are illegal in the UK, Staff's arn't we used to have one there lovely dogs. A pitbull killed a kid here last year there was a big uproar over it.

ferocity
07-25-2008, 01:01 AM
here a blue nose pit puppy it my brothers
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a313/knightowls/2bb69797.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a313/knightowls/19f588e0.jpg
here shes eating brockly
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a313/knightowls/bce5066a.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a313/knightowls/9600d0a8.jpg