"I'm so proud of it, I put my NAME on it!!"

Foreman is presented as a loveable figure these days, in stark contrast to the stern younger George. Yet while I don't believe Big George was ever as nasty as the myth tries to convince you he was (like Liston, they both "ring monsters" have a dry wit in footage) I'm not sure Big George is quite sincere either.

So is Big George now a lovable bear? Or is he just a bit of an egotist with a deep-rooted chip on his shoulder over Zaire that just won't go away and tries to pretend to be everyone's friend?

What goes on in the George cranium? What's with calling the majority of his ten kids "George Foreman" - even the girls? And what's Larry Holmes's beef with it all?


What say you?

I've seen George in interviews back in the 70's, and he didn't really appear to be a bad person, not even like he was trying to put up a front. I did see him give some of his opponents some nasty looks, and stand over a couple of them after KOing them, but other than that, I think the only chip he ever had on his shoulder was over the black movement being angry over him not raising his fist at the olympics after his victory. Given the circumstances surrounding his upbringing, I think he could have been alot worse.

I think he had that chip on his shoulder about Zaire, but now that he handled his business with Moorer, I think he laid that to rest.

However I think that when he sees Ali with his affliction, deep inside he tells himself "Look at Ali now, I know I won that fight. I won that fight, look at how Ali is now." so it likely hasn't been totally put to rest. If I were George I wouldn't even visit Ali, because he's really the reason Ali is like that, those shots George was landing were brutal, but the crowd just kept Ali on his feet.

george felt that for the first tiem in his life when he fought moorer, and hopefully he doesn't fight larry holmes, because i feel that he would seriously put holmes away, and holmes is someone boxing needs

I think the only chip he ever had on his shoulder was over the black movement being angry over him not raising his fist at the olympics after his victory.


i actually admired him for not doing that, 400 years ago his people were slaves, and now comes the big uprising, the retribution, the black panthers REJOICE and all that bull****,

george just said '**** it, i'm gonna do what i wanna do, and not gonna follow someone' and was himself,went on up there with an american flag... you gotta admire that..

I think he had that chip on his shoulder about Zaire, but now that he handled his business with Moorer, I think he laid that to rest.

However I think that when he sees Ali with his affliction, deep inside he tells himself "Look at Ali now, I know I won that fight. I won that fight, look at how Ali is now." so it likely hasn't been totally put to rest. If I were George I wouldn't even visit Ali, because he's really the reason Ali is like that, those shots George was landing were brutal, but the crowd just kept Ali on his feet.

george felt that for the first tiem in his life when he fought moorer, and hopefully he doesn't fight larry holmes, because i feel that he would seriously put holmes away, and holmes is someone boxing needs

Blah Blah Blah....Zaire....Blah. Retard. Be quiet.

Blah Blah Blah....Zaire....Blah. Retard. Be quiet.

oh look, the troll speaks

you should step outside sometime...

you give me good karma, then talk ****. laf

not one real boxign fan should hate foreman, ever. one of those rare great heavies who wasnt a drug addict or a rapist, or crime trouble in any seriousness. at least i dont remeber reading anything about george that said he did.

i actually admired him for not doing that, 400 years ago his people were slaves, and now comes the big uprising, the retribution, the black panthers REJOICE and all that bull****,

george just said '**** it, i'm gonna do what i wanna do, and not gonna follow someone' and was himself,went on up there with an american flag... you gotta admire that..

I agree, I don't think George gave a **** as much about being black as he was proud to have been able to represent the U.S. the way he did, not to mention coming from nothing and ending up in the Olympics! I can really appreciate the strength of character that had to have taken. That's why I like George. He wasn't the fastest, or the most skilled, but his raw power and determination, even in defeat, are undeniable.

Don't you be jumpin' on George, now. He's my guy ;)

I like George. Always have, always will. He's not that bright, but he's got a good, sunny disposition, a good sense of humor, and a wisdom that only years and humility can teach you. And he was one of the baddest muthers on the planet at one time :D

Don't you be jumpin' on George, now. He's my guy ;)

I like George. Always have, always will. He's not that bright, but he's got a good, sunny disposition, a good sense of humor, and a wisdom that only years and humility can teach you. And he was one of the baddest muthers on the planet at one time :D


....I like George and always have liked him. It's a shame he didn't knock Ali's frickin head off that night. As far as likable people go I will take big George over Ali any day of the week.

Gotta love George..someone said they didn't think he wasn't that bright on this thread. I should be so unbright! Gold medal. Two time heavyweight champ of the world.(once at what??...48?) An expert commentator and if money is your guage for judging a person....well need I say more. Also if you are a true follower of this sport he wasn't a bad boxer (everybody thinks that he was all punch..if that were true where's Ernie Shavers..man Ernie could bang!) Hey, let George's life in and out of the ring speak for itself. Personally I think he's great. Too bad I became a vegetarian. I would have bought one of those grills.And on the name thing...I like George's explantion..."when I'm old I'll just scream George and someone's bound to come."

not one real boxign fan should hate foreman, ever. one of those rare great heavies who wasnt a drug addict or a rapist, or crime trouble in any seriousness. at least i dont remeber reading anything about george that said he did.


hw got in trouble with crime but i dont think it was super serious though

"I'm so proud of it, I put my NAME on it!!"

Foreman is presented as a loveable figure these days, in stark contrast to the stern younger George. Yet while I don't believe Big George was ever as nasty as the myth tries to convince you he was (like Liston, they both "ring monsters" have a dry wit in footage) I'm not sure Big George is quite sincere either.

So is Big George now a lovable bear? Or is he just a bit of an egotist with a deep-rooted chip on his shoulder over Zaire that just won't go away and tries to pretend to be everyone's friend?

What goes on in the George cranium? What's with calling the majority of his ten kids "George Foreman" - even the girls? And what's Larry Holmes's beef with it all?


What say you?


i like Fo'man, but not enough to take long hot showers together in the wee hours of the morning, but definitely enough to share a couple steaks off the foreman grill

The little flag waving incident in the 68 Olympics was not political at all like the Smith/Evans clenched black gloved fists. Being a member of the Olympic team there was just one of those flags available that was handed to him as they announced him the gold medalist winner so he just waved and celebrated like any good ol' Texas boy would do.

George does have an ego, a huge one, but he is a "God fearing good liver" as he puts it and does his best to set that ego aside in his larger ministry. Years back when he had his website up he immediately answered a personal career question I asked him in the quintessential Big George manner it was so funny. He geniunely loves Ali, Joe, and Ken and guaranteed he gives thanks every night for the opportunity to still occupy the big stage.

Sure, he hams up his goody goody image, but he tends to walk the talk. What you see is pretty much the real George who still gets folks scratchin' their heads not dissimilar to another American folk hero, Yogi Berra.

Screw Ali. He is a draft dodger. I like Foreman much more than Ali. Ali was a nasty man and a loud-mouth unjustly glorified by the media. The way he embarresed and humiliated Joe Frazier before they fought was disgusting. Frazier was a good man. And Ali calls him an Uncle Tom!! BWAH.. Thats funny at least Frazier wasnt blinded by a militant movement full of hate. You dodge a draft yet have no problem profiting off a Capitalistic system representative of the same country that you wouldnt go to war for. Ali also punched a little gorilla doll mocking Joe and called Frazier a monkey. If a white man did that hed be a racist. But Ali did it so it was great right? :rolleyes: Foreman and Frazier were better men than Ali ever was.

true but ali is still one of the greatest of all time

I'm so tempted to buy one of those grilling machines, finish a workout and grill a huge piece of chicken, they have fat draining pans too don't they? I love George Foreman! :D

Screw Ali. He is a draft dodger. I like Foreman much more than Ali. Ali was a nasty man and a loud-mouth unjustly glorified by the media. The way he embarresed and humiliated Joe Frazier before they fought was disgusting. Frazier was a good man. And Ali calls him an Uncle Tom!! BWAH.. Thats funny at least Frazier wasnt blinded by a militant movement full of hate. You dodge a draft yet have no problem profiting off a Capitalistic system representative of the same country that you wouldnt go to war for. Ali also punched a little gorilla doll mocking Joe and called Frazier a monkey. If a white man did that hed be a racist. But Ali did it so it was great right? :rolleyes: Foreman and Frazier were better men than Ali ever was.

True true...

Big George is one of my heros and one of my favorite people ever.

I think Foreman would have humiliated and beat the living poop out of Ali in a rematch, Foreman can beat Ali 2 outta 3 anyday. Everyone knows Big George didn't do much of any roadwork in Zaire because of those crazy maniacs screamin KILL EM KILL EM! Would you get out and run in that? Foreman still had the fight even despite the fact that he didn't get in the kind of training that he needed, and had Ali out on his feet 4+ times from grazing shots.

But what's done is done, God wanted Ali to win and everything worked out accordingly. I would even say that the cut over Foreman's eye that delayed the fight may have helped somewhat to, can't tell me that it wasn't anyway.

It all worked out for the better. Foreman went on to be greater than Ali by being the oldest man to ever win a title(Was he just the oldest to win the HEAVY title, or oldest for any?) whereas Ali won two or so "gift" desisions(sp:() Won the title back 3x including a time in which he was way past his prime(Great stuff really) and got owned and overhyped alot...ALOT!!!

Well anyway that's my two cents on it all...

George is a good guy, now. He was a bit of a prick to reporters from time to time back in the day, especially leading up to Zaire. He just didn't have that type of personality yet- but he developed it, ironically, when he quit boxing. So, yeah, it's a bit phony, but I think with all the love the fans showed him in the comeback that the chip on his shoulder has melted to almost nothing. But of course anyone who has watched HBO boxing over the past 10 years has seen the "old George" emerge a few times.

As for all the Ali hate. Yeah, Ali expressed many racist views, and he did dodge the draft, but all of that was really a kid being brainwashed by the Nation of Islam. That's how they recruit blacks to their cause- they prey on them when they are at their weakest, or most impressionable age. That's why prisons are THE major recruiting grounds. Black guys go into prison named Charles and come out named Habeeb. Some stick to it, some don't. Ali stuck to the religion even to this day, but not the racist, extreme, idiocy and hate that the NOI preached.

We love George :luvbed:.

I met him at a fight before the main tv fights started and he was signign autographs and posing for pictures for what had to be an hour. There were no cameras around so he didn't have to. I think he is a legit good person

I Hate The Guy His Grilles Are **** Quality!!!

always been a fan.... he does a lot for job corps and the gerald mcclellan fund... him and holyfield came out here a few years back and did a dinner autograph signing thing to help gerald's family

And hes also a minister.

And hes also a minister.
thought he was just a preacher or pasture if thats even the same word :confused:

i think thats basically the same thing

i think thats basically the same thing
oh i'm not a church goer ...so don't know ...i thought a minister was a step above a preacher....like the minister runs the church and the preacher talks

yeah i guess, i was raised catholic so we had a priest but the protestant religions confuse me still...oh well, its all good

yeah i guess, i was raised catholic so we had a priest but the protestant religions confuse me still...oh well, its all good
yeah i have no clue have to ask [cita] maybe he knows

I don't know, hes either a preacher or a minister if theres a difference.

Screw Ali. He is a draft dodger. I like Foreman much more than Ali. Ali was a nasty man and a loud-mouth unjustly glorified by the media. The way he embarresed and humiliated Joe Frazier before they fought was disgusting. Frazier was a good man. And Ali calls him an Uncle Tom!! BWAH.. Thats funny at least Frazier wasnt blinded by a militant movement full of hate. You dodge a draft yet have no problem profiting off a Capitalistic system representative of the same country that you wouldnt go to war for. Ali also punched a little gorilla doll mocking Joe and called Frazier a monkey. If a white man did that hed be a racist. But Ali did it so it was great right? :rolleyes: Foreman and Frazier were better men than Ali ever was.


I would have dodged the draft rather than go to Vietnam, which was a stupid war from beginning to end..same with Iraq..but I digress. Foreman strikes me as a good guy, his grill rocks, and he has a whole herd of children named George...what is there to dislike?

Screw Ali. He is a draft dodger. I like Foreman much more than Ali. Ali was a nasty man and a loud-mouth unjustly glorified by the media. The way he embarresed and humiliated Joe Frazier before they fought was disgusting. Frazier was a good man. And Ali calls him an Uncle Tom!! BWAH.. Thats funny at least Frazier wasnt blinded by a militant movement full of hate. You dodge a draft yet have no problem profiting off a Capitalistic system representative of the same country that you wouldnt go to war for. Ali also punched a little gorilla doll mocking Joe and called Frazier a monkey. If a white man did that hed be a racist. But Ali did it so it was great right? Foreman and Frazier were better men than Ali ever was.

shut the hell up!

i wouldn't fight for no country that was beating and oppressing my ancestors either! ali was a very nice man in real life if you ever got to know him. ali did those things to make money, which all his opponents should thank him for.

foreman and frazier were better than ali ever was? ali wasn't perfect, but do you know how much work he's done for world peace you stupid idiot? shut the hell up, little pricks like you make me so damn mad talking about ali like that. he's done more for sports period than anyone else, so back off prick! :mad: :soapbox:

shut the hell up!

i wouldn't fight for no country that was beating and oppressing my ancestors either! ali was a very nice man in real life if you ever got to know him. ali did those things to make money, which all his opponents should thank him for.

foreman and frazier were better than ali ever was? ali wasn't perfect, but do you know how much work he's done for world peace you stupid idiot? shut the hell up, little pricks like you make me so damn mad talking about ali like that. he's done more for sports period than anyone else, so back off prick! :mad: :soapbox:



Shut up you little son of a *****! Why did Ali have no problem profiting from the American way of life thenthen? In fact, if Ali hated America so much why the fuc* didnt he just stay in Zaire and bring his little punk asz ***** black panthers with him.. Illl tell you why, he was all talk. If America is so bad leave then. He was a mean mean man. He dodged the draft harder than his daughter is dodging Ann Wolfe.

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Shut up you little son of a *****! Why did Ali have no problem profiting from the American way of life thenthen? In fact, if Ali hated America so much why the fuc* didnt he just stay in Zaire and bring his little punk asz ***** black panthers with him.. Illl tell you why, he was all talk. If America is so bad leave then. He was a mean mean man. He dodged the draft harder than his daughter is dodging Ann Wolfe.

"Why did Ali have no problem profiting from the American way of life thenthen?" because the racist united states owes him and other blacks the same priviledge. the way i see it, america owes him the money he made in the ring, and alot more than that.

"why the fuc* didnt he just stay in Zaire and bring his little punk asz ***** black panthers with him.. " aps214, you must be white; in fact you must be racist throwing those racial remarks as effortlessly as walking! it would serve the forum well if you get your racist ass out of this forum and/or stop spewing your kkk garbage!

"Why did Ali have no problem profiting from the American way of life thenthen?" because the racist united states owes him and other blacks the same priviledge. the way i see it, america owes him the money he made in the ring, and alot more than that.

"why the fuc* didnt he just stay in Zaire and bring his little punk asz ***** black panthers with him.. " aps214, you must be white; in fact you must be racist throwing those racial remarks as effortlessly as walking! it would serve the forum well if you get your racist ass out of this forum and/or stop spewing your kkk garbage!


HAHAHA!! You are a moron. Nothing I said there is racial but you know who is a racist? You're draft dodging Ali. Yes.. He called Joe Frazier an Uncle Tom, A gorilla, and punched a toy monkey while calling Frazier a gorilla. The only racists are the black panthers and Ali. Nice try throwing the racial label around meathead. You are a disgrace to Brooklyn.

HAHAHA!! You are a moron. Nothing I said there is racial but you know who is a racist? You're draft dodging Ali. Yes.. He called Joe Frazier an Uncle Tom, A gorilla, and punched a toy monkey while calling Frazier a gorilla. The only racists are the black panthers and Ali. Nice try throwing the racial label around meathead. You are a disgrace to Brooklyn.

you just called the panthers a bunch of punk ass ***** blacks! now if that's not racist to you, then you are a retard!

and as for ali being racist?
Hating people because of their color is wrong. And it doesn't matter which color does the hating. It's just plain wrong.

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/muhammad_ali.html

that should shut your little racist ass up.

and i don't see how calling someone a monkey makes you a racist, stupid racist.

you just called the panthers a bunch of punk ass ***** blacks! now if that's not racist to you, then you are a retard!

and as for ali being racist?


http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/muhammad_ali.html

that should shut your little racist ass up.

and i don't see how calling someone a monkey makes you a racist, stupid racist.




Dude why do you lie. I called the black panthers punk asz *****es you threw in the "black" part.. HAHA.. You are racist just like Ali your idol. Who cares what Ali says, actions are what matter and the way he treated Joe before they fought and Foreman was disgusting and racial.. Justice was done. Look at Ali now and tell me who really won those fights. Lesson learned.. BE NICE.. You have proved yourself a racist and liar I dont associate with your kind.. Later biiatch

Dude why do you lie. I called the black panthers punk asz *****es you threw in the "black" part.. HAHA.. You are racist just like Ali your idol. Who cares what Ali says, actions are what matter and the way he treated Joe before they fought and Foreman was disgusting and racial.. Justice was done. Look at Ali now and tell me who really won those fights. Lesson learned.. BE NICE.. You have proved yourself a racist and liar I dont associate with your kind.. Later biiatch

Shut up you little son of a *****! Why did Ali have no problem profiting from the American way of life thenthen? In fact, if Ali hated America so much why the fuc* didnt he just stay in Zaire and bring his little punk asz ***** black panthers with him.. Illl tell you why, he was all talk. If America is so bad leave then. He was a mean mean man. He dodged the draft harder than his daughter is dodging Ann Wolfe.

you said it, i didn't make it up.

and now you're calling me racist, haha. i'm just mad cause of the crap you're saying about ali. and give me one racial remark ali said about foreman. all he said was he was big and wild and had no stamina. that's racist? wow, this forum never ceases to amaze me with the people registered here.

i sure love big george, if i could choose my grandpa from all the men in the world it would be him.

guy is funny naming all off his 7 sons george.

my dad meet him once but didnt ask for his autograh (that fool).

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**** you took the words right out of my mouth-these hijacked threads are really starting to get to me!

My Auntie Carol was fingered by Foreman back in 1984, she still claims to this day that it was the biggest object ever inserted into her ***** and this is a girl who swears up and down that she has been in with a few 7 and 8 inchers in her day.

Really interesting stuff.

I love the metamorposis of Big George-- from the grouchy giant of old to the current big loveable oaf.George, then and now, had and has character flaws. But then, who doesn't? His are small but magnified by media exposure.

Today, Foreman's personality has become so huge, the public personas of the likes of Holmes, Frazier et al recede to the shadows. Only Ali's is bigger.

the way i see it, america owes him the money he made in the ring, and alot more than that.


That was a stupid post. He worked for what he was paid, and to say he was owed money for work he never participated in, and horrible ways of life he was never a part of, is a slap in the face to those who were part of the slavery era in the United States.

you said it, i didn't make it up.

and now you're calling me racist, haha. i'm just mad cause of the crap you're saying about ali. and give me one racial remark ali said about foreman. all he said was he was big and wild and had no stamina. that's racist? wow, this forum never ceases to amaze me with the people registered here.

He made "racial" remarks about Frazier, implied he was not black by calling him an uncle Tom, and then called him a gorilla, something Whites have been calling blacks for ages, you don't see the racism in that? Ali was just damn lucky he came along at the right time, or he would have shown up in the obituaries, saying stupid **** like that.